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2012-12-05 09:32:16 PM

Omahawg: look, the guy was raised to be what? a dentist? his back is against the wall and he knows it. He's lost support of the sunni majority and I don't think the christian or druze minorities will want this to happen. unless russia lets him come live in some daika on the black sea he'll do whatever he can so the alawites don't lynch his ass 'cause they're running scared now too 'cause they've been walking around like a formerly oppressed minority suddenly in charge for decades now. at the same time, the Lebanese have all kinds of beefs, as do the iraqis considering how well their refugees were treated during America's most recent foray into idiocy.

and the turks? they sure as shiat don't want an expanded kurdistan on their southern and eastern border ('cause kurd people problems)

most obvious? israeli air strike in 5-4-3-2......


Eye doctor. Do you need glasses? He can help you with that.
 
2012-12-05 09:32:49 PM

Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. 

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.


Load and lock, as it relates to weaponry is used for larger weapons such as cannons (and in my case torpedo tubes) where after you load the weapon into its tube you lock the breech door (usually via interlocks) so there aren't any accidents. I assume that it simply carried over to smaller automatic weapons where you load a magazine and then operated whatever mechanism on that type of weapon to put the round from the magazine into the breech of the weapon and then engage any safeties on the weapon..
 
2012-12-05 09:33:17 PM

BigBooper: Any one else think Assad might send a few towards Israel? If he going to go for a hail Mary type move, attacking Israel with chemical weapons, declaring holy war, and calling for all Islamic people to join them could start a wider mid-east war. Of course sparking that greater middle eastern war would require Israel to respond to chemical weapon attacks by using nuclear weapons on Syria, but I don't think Assad cares.

He knows he's dead if he uses gas. Why not gas the Jews.

/if he survives he would be a hero to many Muslims
//and be welcome in exile in many Islamic nations


Devious thoughts you have there, but realistic at the same time.
 
2012-12-05 09:33:17 PM

vodka: Oh no, I can hear the rattling from here.


And what benefit is there to take over Syria? Their oil? Their gold? No one is talking about pre-emptive war and oil contracts. They are talking about getting rid of a madman, who would use nerve gas on civilians, and letting the internationally recognized resistance fill the void until elections can happen. Maybe they won't be perfect but they have to be better than a genocidal tyrant.
 
2012-12-05 09:33:26 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....

Fair point, but the use of chemical or biological weapons should be a red line for the entire world, not just America. No one even thinks of using these kinds of weapons for anything other than genocide, and humanity has a duty to itself to stop such insanity from coming to bear.


yeah, because the 45,000 deaths so far don't count. It is how people die, not whether they died.
great foreign policy.
 
2012-12-05 09:33:37 PM

UseUrHeadFred: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]

/Hot


Surprised it took so long for that one.
 
2012-12-05 09:33:59 PM
kendelrio: Honestly, I don't give a fark which side of the political spectrum you land on..... Using Sarin gas is farking HORRIFIC!!! The agony involved in the dying is farking horrible! We aren't talking about soldiers who are (or should be) prepared to fight in a chemical environment. We are talking about civilians; men, women and children.

It making you feel good is not a reason to go to war, especially if you aren't the one who is going to fight it.
 
2012-12-05 09:34:44 PM

Ogre840: DblDad: If true, then this is a nightmare - but I want to see a source cited other than "U.S. officials." I can't find any mention of this on the BBC, other British sites, Al Jazeera English, or other Middle Eastern news sites. The only other mention outside of the US media was from the Jerusalem Post. I'd think that if weapons had been loaded then the world media would be all over this.

Check out the side bar "Live Blog Syria"
Link

It's on Al Jazeera.


No it's not. Here's the latest entry:

Syria about 7 hours ago
Russia and Turkey are set to discuss new ideas on Syria, Kremlin says
 
2012-12-05 09:34:54 PM

Marine1: MorrisBird: My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.

Well, who's we?


0bama and Clinton.
Great foreign policy in action.
 
2012-12-05 09:34:59 PM

BigBurrito: mr lawson: Mentat: I think we've tried that a few dozen times already. Doesn't seem to help.

Maybe not, but it doesn't cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of US lives for the same results.


WW II had no costs in US dollars and US lives? We sat out of it while Europe burned because it was "not our problem"?

Syria has been going at it for awhile now. The British should have intervened, but I suppose they sit on their hands because, well simply Blair and his association with the war drumming for Iraq.

The use of Chemical Weapons will lead to a greater escalation in Syria and the region around it. We can try and prevent that escalation or we can sit back say "not our problem" and be sucked into a much larger problem later on.

This is a truly worrisome problem. It can not be underestimated. This is why SS Clinton is warning Asssad of the implications of a decision to use these weapons. If he does use them, expect to see a very large retaliation, most likely by the US, possibly NATO, or maybe the British, if they ever find their balls again.

Ah look at this Britian is stepping up:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9721126/Br i tain-has-directly-warned-Assad-of-immediate-response-if-Syria-uses-che mical-weapons.html

Good.


Assad may be thinking he's about to be overrun. If he doesn't escalate to using these weapons he loses to the rebels.

If he uses these weapons then western powers may attack his military tilting the balance of power into the rebels hands.

He's in a low probability of success position but as of now I think he'll still use them as a last resort and then the onus is on the west to respond.
 
2012-12-05 09:35:05 PM

GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone


Artillery or missile deployment is a very real delivery method.
 
2012-12-05 09:35:10 PM

WhyteRaven74: johncb76006: Muslims killing fellow Muslims in their own country.

Assad isn't Muslim....


Alawites are kinda sorta Muslim, perhaps in the same way that Mormons are kinda sorta Christian.
 
2012-12-05 09:35:28 PM
Crap. Does this mean gas will be 4.50 a gallon in the morning?
 
2012-12-05 09:35:57 PM

Amos Quito: Anyone hear what the alleged SOURCE of this "intelligence" is?


An anonymous US official (so far). The story seems to have started here.
 
2012-12-05 09:36:01 PM

Amos Quito: Saddam's WMD's weren't "imaginary" - at least not in our minds, because we were stupid enough to believe the lies.

You really believe that they (or our perpetually paranoid regional "allies") haven't ruled out a "preemptive strike"?

Again I ask, what is the source of this "intelligence"?


What the hell does that even mean? Iraq's WMD's became real because we believed really really hard? Again, if Assad uses chemical weapons, it's no longer a hypothetical or an issue of "where the intelligence came from".
 
2012-12-05 09:36:14 PM

mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!


I would think that mass genocide is everyone's problem, since standing by while it occurs would set a disturbing precedent.
 
2012-12-05 09:37:59 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Omahawg: look, the guy was raised to be what? a dentist? his back is against the wall and he knows it. He's lost support of the sunni majority and I don't think the christian or druze minorities will want this to happen. unless russia lets him come live in some daika on the black sea he'll do whatever he can so the alawites don't lynch his ass 'cause they're running scared now too 'cause they've been walking around like a formerly oppressed minority suddenly in charge for decades now. at the same time, the Lebanese have all kinds of beefs, as do the iraqis considering how well their refugees were treated during America's most recent foray into idiocy.

and the turks? they sure as shiat don't want an expanded kurdistan on their southern and eastern border ('cause kurd people problems)

most obvious? israeli air strike in 5-4-3-2......

Eye doctor. Do you need glasses? He can help you with that.


actually I do. too bad the guy just can't see it's over. If I was in his shoes....yeah. daika on the black sea. please, mr. putin?
 
KIA
2012-12-05 09:38:05 PM
The USS Eisenhower Strike Group reached the Syrian coast Tuesday, Dec. 4 in a heavy storm after sailing through the Suez Canal from the Persian Gulf. Aboard are 8 fighter bomber squadrons of Air Wing Seven and 8,000 sailors, airmen and Marines. Together with the USS Iwo Jima, the US has now posted opposite Syria 70 fighter-bombers, 17 warships including three amphibious craft, a guided missile cruiser, 10 destroyers and frigates, and 10,000 American fighting men. Four vessels also carry Aegis anti-missile weapons.
 
2012-12-05 09:38:28 PM

GAT_00: Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: Where do we base the no-fly enforcement out of?

Hmm, I wonder what kind of ally we have in the area that we've given lots of weapons to? Oh right, Israel. And Turkey is in NATO and has been supporting the rebels for months. And we have a few bases in Saudi Arabia.

Nah, there's nowhere to base out of.

Can you read?

Your reasons are fairly superficial. You just dismiss that we can't use those places. The Iraqi zones were run from Saudi Arabia and Turkey. While Saudi Arabia may be farther, what legitimate reason can you give that we patrolled Northern Iraq from Turkey but can't patrol Syria?


Within the context of the original quote from the article you responded to:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

I pointed out that even if we did use those areas as staging for no-fly zones, it still wouldn't mean we could stop them. Then I pointed out why. I even included that we have a carrier group right off the damn coast and why that might not work.

Saying "no fly zone" doesn't automatically prevent a chemical weapons attack, even if the country in question wants to protect their airmen. They could easily launch short-range attacks that we can't stop regardless of where the staging area is. This is why this word is so important, and I'll bold it for you:

But all of this is a moot point

And I didn't dismiss that we could use those places, I pointed out that even if we could, it wouldn't necessarily prevent a chemical attack, which was your assertion. Hence my question about your literacy. Frankly, after your second response, I think you should go back and read my post again. The only staging area I dismissed was Israel. 

The only thing that's superficial is your assertion that a no fly zone can prevent the attack and, of course, your reading comprehension.
 
2012-12-05 09:38:29 PM

robhidalgo: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

I would think that mass genocide is everyone's problem, since standing by while it occurs would set a disturbing precedent.


Yeah Darfur and Somolia really rattled cages in the world the past 10 years...


No one gives a shiat a bout genocide. We shouldn't. Unless it is done to us, we need to step back and let the world fix itself.
 
2012-12-05 09:38:39 PM

PirateKing: Weren't people bragging about missiles that can land in some guy's coffee cup from a thousand miles away? Why don't we just use those?


Or a drone if that is possible.
 
2012-12-05 09:38:59 PM

cig-mkr: BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Nope, destroy the aircraft on the ground, NOW!

Yup.

Load the drones and send them in. NOW!


That would be an act of war and Congress might have something to say about it.

\all for it
 
2012-12-05 09:39:20 PM
You folks arguing over whether or not the US/NATO/neighboring countries/grey aliens/albigensians/battle pope/superman should intervene or not are taking the wrong approach. Syrian warplanes are bombing the outskirts of Damascus. Several sections of the countryside are effectively in rebel hands, and Assad is hearing reports from foreign media that his daddy's house of cards is falling around his ears.

He's desperate. His position is growing increasingly untenable politically and militarily. He can't run away, because he wouldn't be able to take all the Alawites with him, and they'd kill him if they thought he was leaving them to face the inevitable retribution once the rebels win. He probably can't fight and win conventionally, because he's running out of effective military power from defections, combat losses, and crippled logistics. If he uses his ace-in-the-hole (WMDs), the entire rest of the world will land on him with all four feet. He feels trapped, and a significant percentage of his military staff are probably thinking about making a deal involving his head on a platter. He's got to do something, or his own people will give him the Mussolini treatment in a (probably vain) attempt to curry favor with the victors.

We (the rest of the world) need to offer him some options that don't involve suicide by NATO and/or several hundred thousand dead and maimed civilians. FSM knows he doesn't deserve a break, but Assad and his backers need to have a reasonable belief that they could survive this charlie-foxtrot. Otherwise, there's the very real possibility of sarin-laden bombs and missiles landing on Syrian cities- and possibly Israeli, Turkish, and Jordanian cities, too.

I'm not in a position where my opinion carries any weight, but I submit it would be cheap at ten times the price to simply arrange for Assad and his top military and political flunkies (along with all their families) to be flown out of Syria to a lovely retirement villa in Tuscany/Provence/fill-in-the-blank-resort-area and given several million dollars each. Better that than regional/world war or even a few hundred thousand gassed civilians (of any nationality).

/My brace of small copper coins
 
2012-12-05 09:39:27 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: erik-k: In short, the British successfully tricked an appreciable fraction of earth's entire surface into a neverending flamewar with itself and escaped virtually unscathed by comparison, making the Royal Family probably the most enormously successful trolls of all time.

To say this is to assume that the Africans have no moral agency of their own -- i.e. that if Africans have only to be provoked in a certain way to automatically cause them to commit genocide against each other, through no fault of their own. If the map of the United States were to be rejiggered tomorrow by an outside power so that there were only 13 irregularly- shaped states instead of the current 57 (sic) would you Americans all suddenly go apesh*t and start killing each other? I mean Texans might, but everyone else? Colonialism gets the blame for all of Africa's and Middle East's problems, but ethnic strife has raged in these regions since time immemorial and the excuse is wearing a bit thin.


Give me complete control to draw political lines on the map and I bet you I could start a pan-European war, or at least cause massive social unrest, within 20 years.

Take people who historially don't like each other, then draw the lines so half of them benefit and the other half lose, do so without regard for historical demarcations or natural boundaries, and in a place where life is cheap... and you're going to have wars.

I didn't murder her, your honor, I just gave someone with a history of violence guns and egged him on by ranting about how horrible she was and told him where she lived.
 
2012-12-05 09:40:28 PM

mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!



Actually it is,
We helped instigated it. We armed the rebels, and than their uprisings have led to a possible future of them getting gassed.

CBS NEWS/ August 1, 2012, 10:30 PM
Report: Obama authorizes covert Syrian rebel aid
Earlier this year, President Obama signed an intelligence "finding" authorizing U.S. intelligence agencies to support the opposition in Syria, Reuters reports.

The "finding" is largely a bureaucratic mechanism, and it has long been reported that the CIA is at least aiding in the flow of money and weapons from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to the opposition inside Syria. In June, CBS News correspondent David Martin reported the CIA has been advising other countries about which Syrian rebel groups are deserving of aid.

Additionally, the CIA is known to have been operating a small number of offices in Turkey, but none so far in Syria itself.
The Arab Spring Sources tell CBS News that the direction of U.S. involvement in Syria looks increasingly to be through coordination with Turkey.

That said, CBS News correspondent Margaret Brennan reports the U.S. Treasury authorized a private U.S. group to provide direct financing to the Free Syrian Army. Civilians can help buy Syrian rebels guns or whatever they need, thus working around U.S. policy, which is to avoid providing lethal aid to the opposition. 
 
2012-12-05 09:41:01 PM
Israel only attacks people who can't defend themselves. Syria has anti-air defenses.


Israel last bombed Syria in 2007
 
2012-12-05 09:41:07 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Linkster: Popcorn Johnny: Reports are the the USS Eisenhower is sitting of the coast of Syria, ready to strike.

TROLL OR MORON, I pick the Later!

Still waiting for an answer here, did you think that the USS Eisenhower had been decommissioned or that Syria was landlocked? It's okay to admit that you're wrong.


Eisenhower is in San Diego, Syria is land locked. So Your Point?
 
2012-12-05 09:41:44 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Alawites are kinda sorta Muslim, perhaps in the same way that Mormons are kinda sorta Christian.


heh nice way to put it
 
2012-12-05 09:42:01 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Marine1: MorrisBird: My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.

Well, who's we?

0bama and Clinton.
Great foreign policy in action.


Ahh you. Defective genetics in action.

Stop pretending that you aren't sitting there with a giant erection at the exciting prospect of genocide, so you can biatch about Obama. You will probably cum when the pictures start rolling in, sick fark.
 
2012-12-05 09:42:33 PM

way south: bim1154: The U.S. won't do shiat if they start using that crap other than wording strong letters of disapproval.

It won't be in our hands.
We've got a NATO member next door and a half a dozen allies less than a stones throw from this mess. If Assad starts lobbing gas, everyone downwind is gonna get awfully angry and demand something be done. Even if it means WWIII.

Russia is going to have to wear her big girl britches and either put Syria in its place or disown the situation. They won't back the use of chemical weapons.
They need to leash this guy, ASAP.


If the report is true, I'd say this is a pretty good sign that Russia has lost all control over their little client state at this point.
 
2012-12-05 09:42:37 PM

Mentat:
If Assad starts launching chemical weapons, then it's not a hypothetical anymore. That's the standard that President Obama set. We're not talking about invading a country based on imaginary WMD's.


Between the US 5th and 6th Fleets, US/Nato Bases in Turkey, Greece and Italy, The Israelis and the Turks; well, Syria has three of the top ten most capable and experienced air forces in the world who really don't want them to go ahead with this.

/This shiat will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it
 
2012-12-05 09:43:18 PM

Wenchmaster: I submit it would be cheap at ten times the price to simply arrange for Assad and his top military and political flunkies (along with all their families) to be flown out of Syria to a lovely retirement villa in Tuscany/Provence


Assad has already said that he's going to stay put.
 
2012-12-05 09:43:25 PM

Linkster: Syria is land locked


Eh? would be news to the russians
 
2012-12-05 09:43:47 PM
Reason 1,763 for me not wanting to live on this planet anymore.

Thousands of people dying with the possibility of thousands more to follow from another evil sob and people see it as an opportunity to take political jabs.



/yea, yea I know
//oblig welcome to fark .jpg
 
2012-12-05 09:43:58 PM

tlchwi02: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

bingo. i don't care who owns that crappy section of desert as long as i didnt have to pay for it. i realize thats callous and cruel to say, but why should more of my friends die on the other side of the globe to try and sort things out in favor of a group who are no more fond of us than assad.


Because the world is very small.
 
2012-12-05 09:44:44 PM

whither_apophis: Allen. The end.: There's plenty the world could do, it's just the lack of will. What happened when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds? Not a damn thing...

Obama =! Reagan

/plus Saddam was an ally for that week


Not an ally but an enemy of our enemy and a major importer of oil. Syria is neither.
 
2012-12-05 09:47:26 PM

Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!


Yeah the same ones that we found in Iraq. You know. The ones that didn't exist?
 
2012-12-05 09:47:51 PM

Linkster: Eisenhower is in San Diego, Syria is land locked. So Your Point?


Yeah, this guy won't be back in this thread.
 
2012-12-05 09:48:36 PM

zenobia: tlchwi02: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

bingo. i don't care who owns that crappy section of desert as long as i didnt have to pay for it. i realize thats callous and cruel to say, but why should more of my friends die on the other side of the globe to try and sort things out in favor of a group who are no more fond of us than assad.

Because the world is very small.


Yes it is so tiny, we should completely continue to blow our budget and our friends lives on a bunch of people who generally believe we are the great satan. It is wonderful, hey why don't we just call the muslim brotherhood and ask them what nation they want next, we will be the militant branch of their global agenda! Because as soon as the president of syria is out of the way, they are going to move in. They did it in egypt, they did it in tripoli, and they are going to do it in syria too.
 
2012-12-05 09:48:40 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.


Throw in some Spetznaz just to fark with people's heads.
 
2012-12-05 09:48:50 PM

Linkster: Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. 

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.

LOCK refers to locking a magazine, LOAD refers to injecting a round into the breach, Try to keep the fark up!

Also, it is well documented that Saddam's WMD Were moved to Syria, along with a lot of other shiat.

What part of Treaties and Commitments to Turkey, Jordan, Israel, etc. NOT a US Problem? All you "Foriegn Policy" Geeks seem to forget shiat before you where born. Oil has nothing to do with it.

NATO is gonna play with their beard for a week when Israel and the US is ready and prepared to drop this shiat at the field and not let it get to 100K dead, have to Boots on the ground crap.


Are you always an asshole or have you just had a bad day?
 
2012-12-05 09:48:50 PM
I swear some of you never watched the tee vee news during the last quarter of the 20th century. there hasn't been a time in my life when bad shiat was going down somewhere on this planet.

www.historyplace.com

mr. pot is saying 'what's new under the sun, dawg?'
 
2012-12-05 09:50:19 PM
and you guys thought the mayans were wrong!
 
2012-12-05 09:51:11 PM

atomicmask: robhidalgo: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

I would think that mass genocide is everyone's problem, since standing by while it occurs would set a disturbing precedent.

Yeah Darfur and Somolia really rattled cages in the world the past 10 years...


No one gives a shiat a bout genocide. We shouldn't. Unless it is done to us, we need to step back and let the world fix itself.


I do. There is no better use of such an absurdly powerful military than to stop thousands of civilians being murdered by a despot.
 
2012-12-05 09:51:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Marine1: MorrisBird: My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.

Well, who's we?

0bama and Clinton.
Great foreign policy in action.


LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!!

What do you want, more of Bush Jr's style? More pointless wars on a credit card that farks up America even further? Are you suggesting that America makes a police state of every country in the Middle East? How about some nukes and a glass parking lot, sound good to you?

Tell us, O Wise One, what would you want Obama and the libs to do? How would you handle the Middle East?
 
2012-12-05 09:52:35 PM

erik-k: Take people who historially don't like each other, then draw the lines so half of them benefit and the other half lose, do so without regard for historical demarcations or natural boundaries, and in a place where life is cheap... and you're going to have wars.

I didn't murder her, your honor, I just gave someone with a history of violence guns and egged him on by ranting about how horrible she was and told him where she lived.


To be fair though, someone with a history of violence usually doesn't require much egging. To give you an example, after the 1994 massacres in Rwanda it was frequently alleged in the media that the colonialist Belgians were ultimately to blame for the atrocities, because of the sharp distinctions they drew between the Hutu and the Tutsi. We were never told that the tension between the two groups and their keen sense of ethnic self- awareness in fact dated back to the 15th century. I happen to believe that, if Africans can be given full credit for their positive achievements, they can also take full responsibility for their negative ones. To say any less would be to treat the various African peoples as if they were children, or merely pawns in the hands of more advanced civilizations.
 
2012-12-05 09:53:40 PM

kg2095: atomicmask: robhidalgo: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

I would think that mass genocide is everyone's problem, since standing by while it occurs would set a disturbing precedent.

Yeah Darfur and Somolia really rattled cages in the world the past 10 years...


No one gives a shiat a bout genocide. We shouldn't. Unless it is done to us, we need to step back and let the world fix itself.

I do. There is no better use of such an absurdly powerful military than to stop thousands of civilians being murdered by a despot.


Then get up off your ass and enlist, you go bleed and die in some sand box shiat hole for people who will shake your hand one week then blindfold you and behead you the other.

We are caught up in 2 other shiat sandboxes and we have yet to get out of, we are bleeding money into nations that are worthless, we do not need another.
 
2012-12-05 09:54:25 PM
The US leads the world in research and production of chemical weapons. Yea us !
 
2012-12-05 09:54:51 PM
Not a war, unless you count Libya as a war. More of an all-out, "Oh, did you have a military? Well now you don't, asshole!" assault from the air, lasting a few weeks. No American boots on ground, just lots of good ol' made in the U.S. of A. high explosives.
 
2012-12-05 09:54:58 PM

RealAmericanHero: Amos Quito: You assume that the information we have been given is accurate.

I assume that there are games afoot, and remain VERY skeptical.

I believe in the sanity of a Democrat White House a lot more than a Republican White House. Most Republican's are certifiably nuts, so I can't really put their failures on anyone else.


upload.wikimedia.org

Woodrow Wilson - Democrat. Got us into WWI

upload.wikimedia.org

FDR - Democrat - got us into WWII

upload.wikimedia.org

Harry Truman, Democrat. Got us into the Korean War and the start of the Cold War

upload.wikimedia.org

JFK, Democrat. Really got the ball rolling in Vietnam

upload.wikimedia.org

LBJ, Democrat - drastically escalated the Vietnam war

Sorry but I don't share your enthusiasm for white house Democrats.

/Or Republicans, for that matter
//Tweedle (D)
///Tweedle (R)
 
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