BigBooper: Any one else think Assad might send a few towards Israel? If he going to go for a hail Mary type move, attacking Israel with chemical weapons, declaring holy war, and calling for all Islamic people to join them could start a wider mid-east war. Of course sparking that greater middle eastern war would require Israel to respond to chemical weapon attacks by using nuclear weapons on Syria, but I don't think Assad cares.He knows he's dead if he uses gas. Why not gas the Jews./if he survives he would be a hero to many Muslims//and be welcome in exile in many Islamic nations
Bit'O'Gristle: The military has loaded the precursor chemicals for sarin, a deadly nerve gas, into aerial bombs that could be dropped onto the Syrian people from dozens of fighter-bombers, the officials said.Initial symptoms following exposure to sarin are a runny nose, tightness in the chest and constriction of the pupils. Soon after, the victim has difficulty breathing and experiences nausea and drooling. As the victim continues to lose control of bodily functions, the victim vomits, defecates and urinates. This phase is followed by twitching and jerking. Ultimately, the victim becomes comatose and suffocates in a series of convulsive spasms.ya..you guys bring this to the table, and it's all over biatches. You're going to get raped. Don't even think about it.
Mentat: f. We can't just ignore it
bim1154: The U.S. won't do shiat if they start using that crap other than wording strong letters of disapproval.
WTF Indeed: JohnAnnArbor: Um, they flew Soviet and French aircraft. Not American. Iran had American stuff, pre-revolution stuff plus reloads from arms for hostages (remember that?).Study it out.LinkLinkLink
Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.
johnnyrocket: Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.
DblDad: If true, then this is a nightmare - but I want to see a source cited other than "U.S. officials." I can't find any mention of this on the BBC, other British sites, Al Jazeera English, or other Middle Eastern news sites. The only other mention outside of the US media was from the Jerusalem Post. I'd think that if weapons had been loaded then the world media would be all over this.
Omahawg: johnnyrocket: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.unless they are in africa?
JohnAnnArbor: just_intonation: Gyrfalcon: Anyone know if little brother Maher al-Assad is still among the living? It's kind of important, since he was the head of the military and secret police, and he'd be the one actually ordering the bombing if he's still alive. Also, there were indications Assad was willing to step down in favor of Maher earlier this year...before the Damascus bombing in July.If Assad's back is as against the wall as this nerve-gas threat seems to indicate, then maybe the US should be interested. The last thing we need is ANOTHER unsupported power vacuum in the Middle East. Not saying we should get involved, but maybe we want to see what Turkey and Jordan are going to do.What I'm hoping for is that the Arab countries (Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) actually intervene. It's as much their problem as ours -- and they should be very concerned should Assad launch a chemical attack on anyone and any chemical weapon land anywhere within Israeli territory. I wouldn't put it past him to do that intentionally, and I don't think any of the other ME countries would want that to happen, either, under ANY circumstances.Turkey isn't Arab, as I'm sure Turks and Arabs would both love to point out at some length.
mr lawson: Mentat: You know, we kind of have a blueprint with Libya. You might have heard something about that.If I thought for a second it would work, I would be all in.
Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....Fair point, but the use of chemical or biological weapons should be a red line for the entire world, not just America. No one even thinks of using these kinds of weapons for anything other than genocide, and humanity has a duty to itself to stop such insanity from coming to bear.
jaybeezey: what's one more country that's just going to end up under Sharia Law anyway?
Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: Where do we base the no-fly enforcement out of?Hmm, I wonder what kind of ally we have in the area that we've given lots of weapons to? Oh right, Israel. And Turkey is in NATO and has been supporting the rebels for months. And we have a few bases in Saudi Arabia.Nah, there's nowhere to base out of.Can you read?
vartian: cman: So another war in the middle east for us then, right?You'd rather watch genocide in HD on the nightly news?
Oznog: Linkster: Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.LOCK refers to locking a magazine, LOAD refers to injecting a round into the breach, Try to keep the fark up! Well the phrase is said to originate around the M1 Garand. If you put the clip in but didn't chamber a round, wouldn't you still call it "loaded"? I'd say putting a clip into it makes it pretty darn "loaded", terminology-wise. It's not like you really need to instruct people to put a clip in the weapon before going into combat... at least I hope not.
wildcardjack: It's as if the region was gerrymandered to create the most strife.
Linkster: Popcorn Johnny: Reports are the the USS Eisenhower is sitting of the coast of Syria, ready to strike.TROLL OR MORON, I pick the Later!
erik-k: JustinCase: When I was in Israel, someone pointed out that mach1 from north to south is something like 1.2 seconds. -haven't looked at a map recently but I can't imagine what it is for Syria.1.2 seconds at Mach 1 is slightly over 4 football fields in length. Mach 1 is roughly a mile per five seconds.
Mentat: Like it or not, we are the world's superpower and sometimes that means you have to deal with stuff like this. I'm not a chickenhawk aching for war. I would just as soon stay out. But sometimes, we have to deal with shiat that no one else wants to touch. If chemical weapons start flying, all bets are off. We can't just ignore it and hope that it will all work itself out.
david_gaithersburg: Obama makes his yellow cake speech in 3.....2.....1
mr lawson: But there are no good side vs bad side.
JohnAnnArbor: Interesting. (Really.) But, still proves out the point: the vast majority of their military hardware was Soviet and French. Looks like we shipped them three varieties of goofy light scout helicopters and one larger variety. The actual militarily-useful stuff was Soviet and French. (Ideally, we shouldn't have sent crap like that at all, of course.)
atomic-age: My dad was drafted for WWII. He said they had a drill instructor who could not pronounce the letter 'L' and instead exhorted them to "Rock and road!"
WTFDYW: I've said it before eleventy times. I'll say it again. Let them the guy with the chemical weapons kill themselves the unarmed civilian population. They seem to LOVE this shiat.
roughridersfan: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in officeNo, because that never happened.[ginacobb.typepad.com image 350x498]Link (New Window) "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Pelosi told reporters after her talks with Assad.
mr lawson: Please believe me when i say I understand and appreciate that rational. I hate the idea of standing by while thousands are murdered.But there are no good side vs bad side. Just bad vs a little less bad.
erik-k: In short, the British successfully tricked an appreciable fraction of earth's entire surface into a neverending flamewar with itself and escaped virtually unscathed by comparison, making the Royal Family probably the most enormously successful trolls of all time.
cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern usWait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.
pedobearapproved: Assad also knows that Obama,
WTF Indeed: To be fair, he was killing his own people with the WMDs we gave him in the 1980's. So that was more a test to see how well our weapons held up over time.
PirateKing: Weren't people bragging about missiles that can land in some guy's coffee cup from a thousand miles away? Why don't we just use those?
MorrisBird: My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.
smells_like_meat: Damascus, Syria is about 10 minutes airtime from the USS Eisenhower. Slightly longer, not much, from our bases in Iraq, Jordan and Turkey. The power of a carrier group is hard to imagine. If we wanted, his airfields would be cratered and useless in 11 minutes. Any planes in the air would be dark spots on the ground in 12. This is not "USA, USA, USA ITG posturing. Its the reality of our air power.He can't win. He can't even kill his own people. Unless we let him.
Mentat: Then don't put it in terms of good vs bad. Put it in terms of enlightened self-interest. It is not in our nation's best interest for this civil war to escalate to the use of chemical weapons. There is too much danger of the war expanding beyond Syria's borders and dragging in our allies. It would be better for us to deal with it on our terms rather than to allow the situation to escalate beyond our control. We have a blueprint for dealing with this situation that doesn't involve boots on the ground or anyone greeting us as liberators. If it comes to it, we should act.
WTF Indeed: JohnAnnArbor: Interesting. (Really.) But, still proves out the point: the vast majority of their military hardware was Soviet and French. Looks like we shipped them three varieties of goofy light scout helicopters and one larger variety. The actual militarily-useful stuff was Soviet and French. (Ideally, we shouldn't have sent crap like that at all, of course.)You see, back in the 80's Iraq was at war with Iran. We sold them them following:Link
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