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2012-12-05 08:33:46 PM

Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!


They probably have cyrillic instructions.
 
2012-12-05 08:33:56 PM
Reports are the the USS Eisenhower is sitting of the coast of Syria, ready to strike.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:02 PM
http://theaviationist.com/2012/12/05/mig23-attack/#.UL_00Xj74Vb

Video from Syria shows Assad has started dropping thermobaric bombs.

If he wants to get more brutal, there's nowhere left to go for him but chemical weapons.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:31 PM

cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves.


Chemical weapons is everybody's business. Wake up and smell the global affairs.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:33 PM

mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!


Oh it just might be if the entire region goes batshiat over the use of WMDs.

Syria borders a NATO ally in Turkey and Israel as well. You think either of them are going to tolerate an errant rocket or bomb with a chemical weapon warhead?
 
2012-12-05 08:34:44 PM

russlar: yellowcake 2.0?


Wrong administration.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:55 PM

WTF Indeed: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.

To be fair, he was killing his own people with the WMDs we gave him in the 1980's. So that was more a test to see how well our weapons held up over time.


His weapons were Soviet, French, German, and Chinese, in about that order. We have him jack shiat; we often were openly mocked, even by Britain, for trying to stop shipments of "innocuous" stuff (oil pipes that were turned into artillery pieces, for example). I know it's a lefty talking point that we armed Saddam, but just saying it doesn't make it true.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:01 PM
Obama makes his yellow cake speech in 3.....2.....1
 
2012-12-05 08:35:06 PM
I've said it before eleventy times. I'll say it again. Let them kill themselves. They seem to LOVE this shiat.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:33 PM

thamike: What oil? Syria produces almost as much oil as Central Java and just a little more than Thailand.


That was more of a statement in reply toward the entire M.E. erupting into war...not regarding just Syria.
/should have worded that better.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:40 PM

DblDad: If true, then this is a nightmare - but I want to see a source cited other than "U.S. officials." I can't find any mention of this on the BBC, other British sites, Al Jazeera English, or other Middle Eastern news sites. The only other mention outside of the US media was from the Jerusalem Post. I'd think that if weapons had been loaded then the world media would be all over this.


Check out the side bar "Live Blog Syria"
Link

It's on Al Jazeera.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:45 PM

mr lawson: Not our problem.


And if you are willing to stand by and saying that chemical warfare against civilians is simply a "problem" and even worse isn't our problem, then quite frankly I don't want to have anything to do with you. You're almost as bad as the people who would actually use these weapons.
 
2012-12-05 08:36:08 PM

Linkster: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Nope, destroy the aircraft on the ground, NOW!


Yup.
 
2012-12-05 08:36:17 PM

GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone


fark that, drop them on the tarmac. Now.

/sucks to be the people near those airports
 
2012-12-05 08:36:37 PM
Why am suddenly reminded of something I heard and ignored back when I was a kid, something in the Bible about Revelations and that "middle eastern" neck of the woods and all which might involve a "big bear"....
 
2012-12-05 08:36:57 PM

BravadoGT: This should be some party--who will show up? Turkey? Hezbollah? Israel? The US? Iran?

/gonna need some more snacks


I know, right?
 
2012-12-05 08:37:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

ORLY?

/ya rly.

No, what I mean is it wasn't "in violation of the law"


Well, you're still a dumbass.
 
2012-12-05 08:37:08 PM
What's that? The Caribbean is nice this time of year?
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2012-12-05 08:37:12 PM

The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....


That depends. Are we doing it Bush style or Obama style?

Because we could fund 2 or 3 Obama-in-Libyas per year by simply digging the spare change out of the Pentagon's couch (not, of course, to suggest that it's purely a monetary issue), and not even have a single casket or wheelchair to deal with afterwards.

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.


To be fair, the White House isn't currently being run a cabal of sociopaths fronted by a charming man with Alzheimer's.
 
2012-12-05 08:37:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves

This may shock you, but Syria does not exist in a self-contained little bubble.


I know that.

But as the saying goes "Those who fail to learn history are destined to repeat it" needs to be heeded. The last time we got involved in another nations civil war, Vietnam, 56000 US troops were killed and 2 million Vietnamese were killed as well. All of that was to prevent the Vietnamese from taking care of a Vietnamese problem, their right for self determination.

I dont like genocide, I dont; but sometimes we can make a problem much worse by getting involved in things that we shouldnt.
 
2012-12-05 08:37:48 PM
Someone mentioned that Russia has major interests in Syria. Would they be likely to defend the current government, or decide that the current government has become a liability and try to take them out quickly?
 
2012-12-05 08:38:14 PM

thamike: Oh yeah, you know, Saddam's best friend Syria. Derpityderp


now where did I say Saddam knew about them being transported?

derpityderp makes you sound... retarded.

 
2012-12-05 08:38:28 PM

JustinCase: BravadoGT: This should be some party--who will show up? Turkey? Hezbollah? Israel? The US? Iran?

/gonna need some more snacks

I know, right?


Who's next?
 
2012-12-05 08:39:13 PM
cdn.overclock.net
 
2012-12-05 08:39:13 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....

Fair point, but the use of chemical or biological weapons should be a red line for the entire world, not just America. No one even thinks of using these kinds of weapons for anything other than genocide, and humanity has a duty to itself to stop such insanity from coming to bear.


What he said!
 
2012-12-05 08:39:19 PM

vartian: cman: So another war in the middle east for us then, right?

You'd rather watch genocide in HD on the nightly news?


What's another genocide for us to watch in HD?
 
2012-12-05 08:39:21 PM

bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?


Both. Simultaneously.
 
2012-12-05 08:39:31 PM
And, oy, followup, my post is referring to Saddam's original genocidey adventures during the 80s, if the Reagan reference doesn't make that clear.
 
2012-12-05 08:39:38 PM
I just want to make something perfectly clear: my position is not based off of partisan politics. Iraq was idiotic and Bush really farked us over getting us in there. I am not taking a position against a war with Syria because Obama is in the white house.
 
2012-12-05 08:39:39 PM

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves

This may shock you, but Syria does not exist in a self-contained little bubble.

I know that.

But as the saying goes "Those who fail to learn history are destined to repeat it" needs to be heeded. The last time we got involved in another nations civil war, Vietnam, 56000 US troops were killed and 2 million Vietnamese were killed as well. All of that was to prevent the Vietnamese from taking care of a Vietnamese problem, their right for self determination.

I dont like genocide, I dont; but sometimes we can make a problem much worse by getting involved in things that we shouldnt.


Actually, the last one was Libya, and, with the exception of Benghazi, went along swimmingly.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:08 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....

According to news I'm listening to, they have 60 days before it goes bad.

/could be an interesting/scary 60 days


It's not like US is a key player on the security council of some kind of union of countries that tries to keep peace in the world and prevent atrocities and war crimes.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:08 PM
But didn't he just assure us he wouldn't use chemical weapons even if he did have them? I can't believe he is not to be trusted.
Oh well, at least he's doing it in time for the December 2 apocalypse.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:23 PM

WTF Indeed: How many Arab countries do we need to bomb until we get one for free?



BWHHAHAAH!
 
2012-12-05 08:40:25 PM

JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

ORLY?

/ya rly.

No, what I mean is it wasn't "in violation of the law"

Well, you're still a dumbass.


And it's still not a violation of the Logan act for a member of Congress to travel overseas and make a speech.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:34 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Nope, destroy the aircraft on the ground, NOW!

Yup.


Load the drones and send them in. NOW!
 
2012-12-05 08:41:00 PM
Anyone know if little brother Maher al-Assad is still among the living? It's kind of important, since he was the head of the military and secret police, and he'd be the one actually ordering the bombing if he's still alive. Also, there were indications Assad was willing to step down in favor of Maher earlier this year...before the Damascus bombing in July.

If Assad's back is as against the wall as this nerve-gas threat seems to indicate, then maybe the US should be interested. The last thing we need is ANOTHER unsupported power vacuum in the Middle East. Not saying we should get involved, but maybe we want to see what Turkey and Jordan are going to do.
 
2012-12-05 08:41:01 PM

Krymson Tyde: But didn't he just assure us he wouldn't use chemical weapons even if he did have them? I can't believe he is not to be trusted.
Oh well, at least he's doing it in time for the December 2 apocalypse.


*21

December 21 apocalypse.
 
2012-12-05 08:41:11 PM
I think if this is validated we should destroy as many of their planes and artillery as possible now.
 
2012-12-05 08:41:16 PM
skull valley, 1968. never forget....

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-05 08:41:57 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.


Where do we base the no-fly enforcement out of? It has to be close, or we can't respond fast enough. We could do western Iraq, but I doubt we have enough resources in place to enforce it. Lebanon probably won't let us stage there, and Turkey is far enough away from Damascus that even if they did give us permission, it may not work. For obvious reasons, staging out of Israel is a non-starter.

We have at least one carrier group, the George H.W. Bush in place, but while that's good for eventually shooting down planes, it's not as good for short-range missiles. It also needs local support just to keep running. There's also the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group, which consists of 2,500 Marines. Good enough to offer support if invited, but not enough to invade the whole country. The Marines are good, but they aren't THAT good.

But all of this is a moot point, because if those guys decide that tomorrow is the day they launch planes and missiles with chemical weapons - no one has anything in place right now to stop them immediately. Shoot down the planes? Quite possibly - but some will get through unless they're all going for long range targets. If Syria launches a bombing run on a target 100 miles away from the airport, we wouldn't get there in time. Defend against short range missiles mounted on mobile platforms? Not so much.
 
2012-12-05 08:42:13 PM
I really wish I was a child again sometimes, so I didn't have to care about this shiat. I'm just glad my innocence and naïveté lasted till I was about 10 yrs old. Seriously, the human race is one farked up species...so much hate and killing. I just don't understand it.

Absolutely straight up, laugh if you want, but it is very depressing to me at times
 
2012-12-05 08:42:15 PM
The U.S. won't do shiat if they start using that crap other than wording strong letters of disapproval.
 
2012-12-05 08:42:54 PM

Shrugging Atlas: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

Oh it just might be if the entire region goes batshiat over the use of WMDs.

Syria borders a NATO ally in Turkey and Israel as well. You think either of them are going to tolerate an errant rocket or bomb with a chemical weapon warhead?


Turkey's response so far is to request a NATO shield of Patriot missiles, which won't arrive until next year. Link
 
2012-12-05 08:42:56 PM

bim1154: The U.S. won't do shiat if they start using that crap other than wording strong letters of disapproval.


Libya would like a word with you.
 
2012-12-05 08:43:17 PM

WTFDYW: I've said it before eleventy times. I'll say it again. Let them kill themselves. They seem to LOVE this shiat.


Who is 'they?' You're saying you'd have a different answer if it was Christians being killed and not Muslims?
 
2012-12-05 08:43:21 PM

JohnAnnArbor: SilentStrider: Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!

Only nine years too late.

Well, the left made sure to mock anyone who pointed out all the trucks crossing from Iraq into Syria just before the 2003 war. "MORE LIES! HALLIBURTON!"

Um, yeah. That was helpful.


Oh dear.
You're not a particularly rational person are you?
 
2012-12-05 08:43:41 PM

BravadoGT: This should be some party--who will show up? Turkey? Hezbollah? Israel? The US? Iran?

/gonna need some more snacks


I predict a combined force that which hasn't been seen...ever.

Nothing short of a force that'll prevent anyone from getting their hands on such a weapon outside of Syria for nefarious purposes and a major assault being issued not only by our allies, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of shiat we haven't seen since a very long time.
 
2012-12-05 08:43:54 PM

GAT_00: And if you are willing to stand by and saying that chemical warfare against civilians is simply a "problem" and even worse isn't our problem, then quite frankly I don't want to have anything to do with you. You're almost as bad as the people who would actually use these weapons.


Who are you gonna bomb? Both side are bad. One just slightly less than the other.
That is the problem. There doesn't seem to be a side that wants equal right for all.
Make no mistake I would not shed a single tear if the current president died. But this is the person who won their "election". They voted for him.
 
2012-12-05 08:44:04 PM

bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?


Yes.
 
2012-12-05 08:44:05 PM
If this is a real threat, then fine, chemical weapons can afflict America's allies over yonder, perhaps the American government will start another war. This time, though, they should take the stupid country for our own uses- think of all the oil reserves over there! It's just too bad that the USA decided to be the judge and meddler in world affairs without ever taking any territories to leverage power except the one it has way off on it's own safe and happy continent.
 
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