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2012-12-05 07:53:38 PM  
About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....
 
2012-12-05 08:07:10 PM  

The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....


According to news I'm listening to, they have 60 days before it goes bad.

/could be an interesting/scary 60 days
 
2012-12-05 08:08:06 PM  

The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....


Fair point, but the use of chemical or biological weapons should be a red line for the entire world, not just America. No one even thinks of using these kinds of weapons for anything other than genocide, and humanity has a duty to itself to stop such insanity from coming to bear.
 
2012-12-05 08:08:34 PM  
Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone
 
2012-12-05 08:10:15 PM  

GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone


Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.
 
2012-12-05 08:14:30 PM  
This should be some party--who will show up? Turkey? Hezbollah? Israel? The US? Iran?

/gonna need some more snacks
 
2012-12-05 08:15:19 PM  
There's plenty the world could do, it's just the lack of will. What happened when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds? Not a damn thing...
 
2012-12-05 08:15:26 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.


If he's doing this, he's already close to an ass kicking. This is a sign of desperation. The people should free themselves, we just make sure they can.
 
2012-12-05 08:16:10 PM  
Meanwhile the Russians keep doing business.
 
2012-12-05 08:16:12 PM  
yellowcake 2.0?
 
2012-12-05 08:16:14 PM  
Admiral Painter in 5... 4... 3... 2...
 
2012-12-05 08:16:17 PM  
GODDAMMIT!
 
2012-12-05 08:16:34 PM  

Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

 
2012-12-05 08:16:53 PM  
So another war in the middle east for us then, right?
 
2012-12-05 08:17:05 PM  
Aw shiat.
 
2012-12-05 08:17:34 PM  
The Turks will do it which will make the Ruskies very nervous.
 
2012-12-05 08:17:48 PM  
We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!
 
2012-12-05 08:18:29 PM  

cman: So another war in the middle east for us then, right?


You'd rather watch genocide in HD on the nightly news?
 
2012-12-05 08:18:29 PM  
mmmmmm hmmmmmmm
 
2012-12-05 08:18:35 PM  
At this point, it's as if Assad wants UN intervention...
 
2012-12-05 08:18:42 PM  

Allen. The end.: There's plenty the world could do, it's just the lack of will. What happened when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds? Not a damn thing...


Obama =! Reagan

/plus Saddam was an ally for that week
 
2012-12-05 08:18:53 PM  
His head is shaped like a cylinder. Wat up with that?
 
2012-12-05 08:19:04 PM  
Weren't people bragging about missiles that can land in some guy's coffee cup from a thousand miles away? Why don't we just use those?
 
2012-12-05 08:19:17 PM  

The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....


i wonder if they're hoping iran will join in. romney may get his war anyway...
 
2012-12-05 08:19:18 PM  

GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone


That could be a lot of fun if the F-22s are actually up and running okay for now. I'm curious to see what they would be like when let off the leash, because an air superiority fighter that you can't see coming is something that should be pants wettingly scary for a military that has to go up against them.

Of course, that is assuming that the F-22 can manage to not asphyxiate its pilot in the process. Last I head it was actually squeezing them to unconsciousness with the G-suits somehow.
 
2012-12-05 08:19:22 PM  
This is starting to get Syrias.
 
2012-12-05 08:19:27 PM  
Finally an excuse to start world war three.
 
2012-12-05 08:19:29 PM  

mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!


Yes, it is. This has the potential to engulf the entire Middle East including several of our allies who may or may not end up on the same side. This isn't the same situation as Iraq.
 
2012-12-05 08:19:45 PM  
Meh, Fartbama needs another war to justify his tax cuts for the socialist deadbeat middle class.
 
2012-12-05 08:19:48 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-05 08:19:57 PM  

mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!


bingo. i don't care who owns that crappy section of desert as long as i didnt have to pay for it. i realize thats callous and cruel to say, but why should more of my friends die on the other side of the globe to try and sort things out in favor of a group who are no more fond of us than assad.
 
2012-12-05 08:20:01 PM  
denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2012-12-05 08:20:17 PM  
But, but where's the intelligence that says he has weapons of mass destruction. President Community Organizer channeling George Bush...come in President Bush....
 
2012-12-05 08:21:06 PM  

PirateKing: Weren't people bragging about missiles that can land in some guy's coffee cup from a thousand miles away? Why don't we just use those?


Because we don't want to break, spell, and disperse the coffee cup and it's contents?
 
2012-12-05 08:21:10 PM  
How many Arab countries do we need to bomb until we get one for free?
 
2012-12-05 08:22:02 PM  
I have a feeling Turkey is going to take issue with this.
 
2012-12-05 08:22:06 PM  
Remember when Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office? "The road to peace goes through Damascus," or some such nonsense? Accomplishing exactly nothing?

Good times.

/The little dork eye doctor was always a murderer, geniuses.
 
2012-12-05 08:22:26 PM  
The military has loaded the precursor chemicals for sarin, a deadly nerve gas, into aerial bombs that could be dropped onto the Syrian people from dozens of fighter-bombers, the officials said.

Initial symptoms following exposure to sarin are a runny nose, tightness in the chest and constriction of the pupils. Soon after, the victim has difficulty breathing and experiences nausea and drooling. As the victim continues to lose control of bodily functions, the victim vomits, defecates and urinates. This phase is followed by twitching and jerking. Ultimately, the victim becomes comatose and suffocates in a series of convulsive spasms.

ya..you guys bring this to the table, and it's all over biatches. You're going to get raped. Don't even think about it.
 
2012-12-05 08:22:29 PM  

Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!


Only nine years too late.
 
2012-12-05 08:22:29 PM  

WTF Indeed: How many Arab countries do we need to bomb until we get one for free?


We've gotten a couple so far. We just keep giving them back since we see what they're like once we're there.
 
2012-12-05 08:22:45 PM  
So, if Syria gets pushed onto the train tracks, do we only take pictures?
 
2012-12-05 08:23:00 PM  

Mentat: Yes, it is. This has the potential to engulf the entire Middle East including several of our allies who may or may not end up on the same side. This isn't the same situation as Iraq.


Nope...Let's try letting them killing off each other for a while. The whole Middle East seem to want war. Fine. Let'em have it.

NOT OUR PROBLEM
 
2012-12-05 08:23:02 PM  
Motherfarkers.

Shall I point out that while I agree with the weapons bans, another 'thing' we agreed on, internationally speaking, was no torture?

I still think we should help.
Because we can.
 
2012-12-05 08:23:07 PM  

vartian: cman: So another war in the middle east for us then, right?

You'd rather watch genocide in HD on the nightly news?


No, I would turn the TV off.

Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us
 
2012-12-05 08:23:08 PM  
I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?
 
2012-12-05 08:23:23 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office


No, because that never happened.
 
2012-12-05 08:23:58 PM  

cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us


Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?
 
2012-12-05 08:24:11 PM  

WTF Indeed: How many Arab countries do we need to bomb until we get one for free?


None, we should let Israel take care of things over there.
 
2012-12-05 08:24:14 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.


Hopefully we've already have had international discussions (and plans) to deal with this.

/bets the Presidents phone is pretty busy right now
 
2012-12-05 08:24:17 PM  

Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!


We were only about 1500 miles off.
 
2012-12-05 08:24:35 PM  

SilentStrider: Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!

Only nine years too late.


Well, the left made sure to mock anyone who pointed out all the trucks crossing from Iraq into Syria just before the 2003 war. "MORE LIES! HALLIBURTON!"

Um, yeah. That was helpful.
 
2012-12-05 08:24:49 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Remember when Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office? "The road to peace goes through Damascus," or some such nonsense? Accomplishing exactly nothing?

Good times.

/The little dork eye doctor was always a murderer, geniuses.


Well, thank you for that utterly meaningless bit of historical trivia.
 
2012-12-05 08:24:52 PM  

cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us


What in the f*ck does this even mean?
 
2012-12-05 08:24:54 PM  
If true, then this is a nightmare - but I want to see a source cited other than "U.S. officials." I can't find any mention of this on the BBC, other British sites, Al Jazeera English, or other Middle Eastern news sites. The only other mention outside of the US media was from the Jerusalem Post. I'd think that if weapons had been loaded then the world media would be all over this.
 
2012-12-05 08:25:08 PM  
Chemical weapons don't kill people. People kill people.
 
2012-12-05 08:25:48 PM  

GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone


Nope, destroy the aircraft on the ground, NOW!
 
2012-12-05 08:25:50 PM  

mr lawson: Mentat: Yes, it is. This has the potential to engulf the entire Middle East including several of our allies who may or may not end up on the same side. This isn't the same situation as Iraq.

Nope...Let's try letting them killing off each other for a while. The whole Middle East seem to want war. Fine. Let'em have it.

NOT OUR PROBLEM


I think we've tried that a few dozen times already. Doesn't seem to help.
 
2012-12-05 08:25:58 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The military has loaded the precursor chemicals for sarin, a deadly nerve gas, into aerial bombs that could be dropped onto the Syrian people from dozens of fighter-bombers, the officials said.

Initial symptoms following exposure to sarin are a runny nose, tightness in the chest and constriction of the pupils. Soon after, the victim has difficulty breathing and experiences nausea and drooling. As the victim continues to lose control of bodily functions, the victim vomits, defecates and urinates. This phase is followed by twitching and jerking. Ultimately, the victim becomes comatose and suffocates in a series of convulsive spasms.

ya..you guys bring this to the table, and it's all over biatches. You're going to get raped. Don't even think about it.


Not me. I didn't have the fish.
 
2012-12-05 08:26:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?


The fact, like Iraq, Syria is NOT OUR PROBLEM.

/oil be damned!
 
2012-12-05 08:26:05 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Remember when Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office? "The road to peace goes through Damascus," or some such nonsense? Accomplishing exactly nothing?

Good times.

/The little dork eye doctor was always a murderer, geniuses.


Nancy Pelosi is a dousche no matter who's in charge.
 
2012-12-05 08:26:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.


ORLY?

/ya rly.
 
2012-12-05 08:26:43 PM  
TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs.

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.
 
2012-12-05 08:26:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?


Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.
 
2012-12-05 08:27:14 PM  
That chinless rentboy really doesn't get it, does he?

Pay attention, Republicans. This is what happens when you are actually allowed to "make your own reality."
 
2012-12-05 08:27:24 PM  
 
2012-12-05 08:27:31 PM  

Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!


wouldn't be surprised if these were Saddam's chemicals they transported over the boarder after the US announced we were moving into Iraq.


They better get a hurry on it... the Mayans' date is approaching fast!

 
2012-12-05 08:27:33 PM  
they'll get over it.
 
2012-12-05 08:27:44 PM  

Mentat: I think we've tried that a few dozen times already. Doesn't seem to help.


Maybe not, but it doesn't cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of US lives for the same results.
 
2012-12-05 08:27:53 PM  
May Allah have mercy on their lime green glowing souls if they do.
 
2012-12-05 08:27:55 PM  

Allen. The end.: There's plenty the world could do, it's just the lack of will. What happened when Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds? Not a damn thing...


And WTF happened to the Whey?!
 
2012-12-05 08:28:04 PM  
No-fly zone might help, since the rebels don't have planes and there's not a lot of airspace to cover (compared to past zones in Iraq).

The number of Russian SAMs the Syrians have would need to be taken into account.

Hypothetically.
 
2012-12-05 08:28:04 PM  
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

/Hot
 
2012-12-05 08:28:08 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.


A "Rock the Casbah," if you will.
 
2012-12-05 08:28:14 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.


The real question is, can you live with yourself knowing that your country could have done something to stop it and didn't? Will you just shrug off the millions this country's "leader" would kill to remain in power?
 
2012-12-05 08:28:15 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.


To be fair, he was killing his own people with the WMDs we gave him in the 1980's. So that was more a test to see how well our weapons held up over time.
 
2012-12-05 08:28:20 PM  

bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?


Since he hasn't done anything, it's probably "not enough".
 
2012-12-05 08:28:32 PM  

mr lawson: Mentat: Yes, it is. This has the potential to engulf the entire Middle East including several of our allies who may or may not end up on the same side. This isn't the same situation as Iraq.

Nope...Let's try letting them killing off each other for a while. The whole Middle East seem to want war. Fine. Let'em have it.

NOT OUR PROBLEM


Just keep that idea firmly in mind when the inevitable pictures of hundreds to thousands of dead women/children in the streets, dead where the stood when the gas hit, start pouring in after he does use them. Screaming not our problem will make it all go away....
 
2012-12-05 08:28:33 PM  

mr lawson: cameroncrazy1984: Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

The fact, like Iraq, Syria is NOT OUR PROBLEM.

/oil be damned!


Yeah, we really shouldn't give a fark about a ruler using chemical warfare against his citizens.
 
2012-12-05 08:28:33 PM  
Maybe the Mayans were right.
 
2012-12-05 08:28:50 PM  

vartian: cman: So another war in the middle east for us then, right?

You'd rather watch genocide in HD on the nightly news?


BF to GF: "Ugh! Your breath tastes like cigarettes!"
GF: "You'd rather it tasted like pussy?"
BF: "Well, yeah, actually."
 
2012-12-05 08:29:12 PM  

mr lawson: Mentat: I think we've tried that a few dozen times already. Doesn't seem to help.

Maybe not, but it doesn't cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of US lives for the same results.


It didn't cost us a trillion dollars or any American lives to deal with Libya.
 
2012-12-05 08:29:44 PM  
Where's your Allah now?
 
2012-12-05 08:29:51 PM  
Assad has nothing to lose at this point - he's going down and he's taking as many people as he can with him.

We need some ninjas to sneak in and take hims out quickly. We have ninjas, right?

/Or we could try the $25 million bounty again
 
2012-12-05 08:31:06 PM  

mr lawson: cameroncrazy1984: Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

The fact, like Iraq, Syria is NOT OUR PROBLEM.

/oil be damned!


What oil? Syria produces almost as much oil as Central Java and just a little more than Thailand.
 
2012-12-05 08:31:15 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

ORLY?

/ya rly.


No, what I mean is it wasn't "in violation of the law"
 
2012-12-05 08:31:21 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: The little dork eye doctor was always a murderer, geniuses.


Rand Paul?
 
2012-12-05 08:31:28 PM  
I think we'd be able to inhibit the use of chemical weapons but not entirely prevent it, mainly with air power. The good thing to that plan is that we wouldn't have to risk any troops on the ground, as the ground troops might not be properly equipped to handle a sarin chemical weapon. The rate-limiting factor would be the rate at which we'd be able to gather intelligence on the whereabouts of the chemical weapons.
 
2012-12-05 08:31:41 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.

The real question is, can you live with yourself knowing that your country could have done something to stop it and didn't? Will you just shrug off the millions this country's "leader" would kill to remain in power?


Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves.
 
2012-12-05 08:31:49 PM  
I swear Assad and his family act like this is a farking game. biatch was worrying about getting the newest Harry Potter books, and, I don't know- her favorite jelly or some such mundane shiat.
While hubby was having a busy day at work trying to commit genocide on the people he's supposed to be leading.

They are real people, not numbers, ffs. No re-spawning.
 
2012-12-05 08:31:57 PM  
Syria is very close to our NATO bases in Turkey not to forget the carriers in the Med. Unless this a complete fabrication, ala "Saddam has chemical weapons", then Syria dare not use them. The Syrian bombers would likely never make it off the ground given our overwhelming air superiority. If they did get aloft then they'd be toast in the air within minutes.

Likely more hyperbole and posturing. Assad, a very bad man, will fall one way or another.

Russia has a major naval base in Syria and they, as a practical matter, need to have their interests appeased and protected.
 
2012-12-05 08:32:11 PM  

bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?


If Libya was any guide, they will be angry that he isn't doing anything until he does something, at which point they will object that he had no right to do so. 

But as someone else pointed out, I want some confirmation from a non-US source (and Israel doesn't count) that this is really happening.
 
2012-12-05 08:32:27 PM  

The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....


we are going to be soooo totally mad at them if they do that. We might have to send another strongly worded letter. Maybe even a bad yelp review.
 
2012-12-05 08:32:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.


ginacobb.typepad.com

Link (New Window) 

"We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Pelosi told reporters after her talks with Assad.
 
2012-12-05 08:32:47 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.

The real question is, can you live with yourself knowing that your country could have done something to stop it and didn't? Will you just shrug off the millions this country's "leader" would kill to remain in power?


The same damn thing has happened in Africa for a long time. Maybe not with chemical weapons, but genocide nonetheless. Not that I like it, but if we are going in to stop the genocide for moral reasons, there are plenty of areas we need to go to, and should have gone into besides Syria in order for that to work

/uganda, congo, etc aren't just places for fark to make dark jokes about
//fart of darkness
 
2012-12-05 08:33:05 PM  
Not our problem
Nuke these pigs.
Wat do?
 
2012-12-05 08:33:08 PM  

vegasj: Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!

wouldn't be surprised if these were Saddam's chemicals they transported over the boarder after the US announced we were moving into Iraq.


They better get a hurry on it... the Mayans' date is approaching fast!


Oh yeah, you know, Saddam's best friend Syria. Derpityderp
 
2012-12-05 08:33:12 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.

The real question is, can you live with yourself knowing that your country could have done something to stop it and didn't? Will you just shrug off the millions this country's "leader" would kill to remain in power?


People can do it by claiming war in a globalized world is not their problem.
The cleanup is a different matter, but there's years left to spin the fallout from that.
 
2012-12-05 08:33:14 PM  

cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves


This may shock you, but Syria does not exist in a self-contained little bubble.
 
2012-12-05 08:33:22 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.

The real question is, can you live with yourself knowing that your country could have done something to stop it and didn't? Will you just shrug off the millions this country's "leader" would kill to remain in power?


We've seemed to do a pretty good of turning a blind eye to most of Africa, what's one more country that's just going to end up under Sharia Law anyway?
 
2012-12-05 08:33:32 PM  

GAT_00: Yeah, we really shouldn't give a fark about a ruler using chemical warfare against his citizens.


You know, if I had the slightest bit of hope that our intervention would create peace over there i would be all in.
All Hope is gone.
They want War (some for the right reasons even)
They don't need nor want us.
Not our problem.
We have our own
 
2012-12-05 08:33:46 PM  

Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!


They probably have cyrillic instructions.
 
2012-12-05 08:33:56 PM  
Reports are the the USS Eisenhower is sitting of the coast of Syria, ready to strike.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:02 PM  
http://theaviationist.com/2012/12/05/mig23-attack/#.UL_00Xj74Vb

Video from Syria shows Assad has started dropping thermobaric bombs.

If he wants to get more brutal, there's nowhere left to go for him but chemical weapons.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:31 PM  

cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves.


Chemical weapons is everybody's business. Wake up and smell the global affairs.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:33 PM  

mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!


Oh it just might be if the entire region goes batshiat over the use of WMDs.

Syria borders a NATO ally in Turkey and Israel as well. You think either of them are going to tolerate an errant rocket or bomb with a chemical weapon warhead?
 
2012-12-05 08:34:44 PM  

russlar: yellowcake 2.0?


Wrong administration.
 
2012-12-05 08:34:55 PM  

WTF Indeed: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.

To be fair, he was killing his own people with the WMDs we gave him in the 1980's. So that was more a test to see how well our weapons held up over time.


His weapons were Soviet, French, German, and Chinese, in about that order. We have him jack shiat; we often were openly mocked, even by Britain, for trying to stop shipments of "innocuous" stuff (oil pipes that were turned into artillery pieces, for example). I know it's a lefty talking point that we armed Saddam, but just saying it doesn't make it true.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:01 PM  
Obama makes his yellow cake speech in 3.....2.....1
 
2012-12-05 08:35:06 PM  
I've said it before eleventy times. I'll say it again. Let them kill themselves. They seem to LOVE this shiat.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:33 PM  

thamike: What oil? Syria produces almost as much oil as Central Java and just a little more than Thailand.


That was more of a statement in reply toward the entire M.E. erupting into war...not regarding just Syria.
/should have worded that better.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:40 PM  

DblDad: If true, then this is a nightmare - but I want to see a source cited other than "U.S. officials." I can't find any mention of this on the BBC, other British sites, Al Jazeera English, or other Middle Eastern news sites. The only other mention outside of the US media was from the Jerusalem Post. I'd think that if weapons had been loaded then the world media would be all over this.


Check out the side bar "Live Blog Syria"
Link

It's on Al Jazeera.
 
2012-12-05 08:35:45 PM  

mr lawson: Not our problem.


And if you are willing to stand by and saying that chemical warfare against civilians is simply a "problem" and even worse isn't our problem, then quite frankly I don't want to have anything to do with you. You're almost as bad as the people who would actually use these weapons.
 
2012-12-05 08:36:08 PM  

Linkster: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Nope, destroy the aircraft on the ground, NOW!


Yup.
 
2012-12-05 08:36:17 PM  

GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone


fark that, drop them on the tarmac. Now.

/sucks to be the people near those airports
 
2012-12-05 08:36:37 PM  
Why am suddenly reminded of something I heard and ignored back when I was a kid, something in the Bible about Revelations and that "middle eastern" neck of the woods and all which might involve a "big bear"....
 
2012-12-05 08:36:57 PM  

BravadoGT: This should be some party--who will show up? Turkey? Hezbollah? Israel? The US? Iran?

/gonna need some more snacks


I know, right?
 
2012-12-05 08:37:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

ORLY?

/ya rly.

No, what I mean is it wasn't "in violation of the law"


Well, you're still a dumbass.
 
2012-12-05 08:37:08 PM  
What's that? The Caribbean is nice this time of year?
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2012-12-05 08:37:12 PM  

The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....


That depends. Are we doing it Bush style or Obama style?

Because we could fund 2 or 3 Obama-in-Libyas per year by simply digging the spare change out of the Pentagon's couch (not, of course, to suggest that it's purely a monetary issue), and not even have a single casket or wheelchair to deal with afterwards.

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.


To be fair, the White House isn't currently being run a cabal of sociopaths fronted by a charming man with Alzheimer's.
 
2012-12-05 08:37:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves

This may shock you, but Syria does not exist in a self-contained little bubble.


I know that.

But as the saying goes "Those who fail to learn history are destined to repeat it" needs to be heeded. The last time we got involved in another nations civil war, Vietnam, 56000 US troops were killed and 2 million Vietnamese were killed as well. All of that was to prevent the Vietnamese from taking care of a Vietnamese problem, their right for self determination.

I dont like genocide, I dont; but sometimes we can make a problem much worse by getting involved in things that we shouldnt.
 
2012-12-05 08:37:48 PM  
Someone mentioned that Russia has major interests in Syria. Would they be likely to defend the current government, or decide that the current government has become a liability and try to take them out quickly?
 
2012-12-05 08:38:14 PM  

thamike: Oh yeah, you know, Saddam's best friend Syria. Derpityderp


now where did I say Saddam knew about them being transported?

derpityderp makes you sound... retarded.

 
2012-12-05 08:38:28 PM  

JustinCase: BravadoGT: This should be some party--who will show up? Turkey? Hezbollah? Israel? The US? Iran?

/gonna need some more snacks

I know, right?


Who's next?
 
2012-12-05 08:39:13 PM  
cdn.overclock.net
 
2012-12-05 08:39:13 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....

Fair point, but the use of chemical or biological weapons should be a red line for the entire world, not just America. No one even thinks of using these kinds of weapons for anything other than genocide, and humanity has a duty to itself to stop such insanity from coming to bear.


What he said!
 
2012-12-05 08:39:19 PM  

vartian: cman: So another war in the middle east for us then, right?

You'd rather watch genocide in HD on the nightly news?


What's another genocide for us to watch in HD?
 
2012-12-05 08:39:21 PM  

bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?


Both. Simultaneously.
 
2012-12-05 08:39:31 PM  
And, oy, followup, my post is referring to Saddam's original genocidey adventures during the 80s, if the Reagan reference doesn't make that clear.
 
2012-12-05 08:39:38 PM  
I just want to make something perfectly clear: my position is not based off of partisan politics. Iraq was idiotic and Bush really farked us over getting us in there. I am not taking a position against a war with Syria because Obama is in the white house.
 
2012-12-05 08:39:39 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves

This may shock you, but Syria does not exist in a self-contained little bubble.

I know that.

But as the saying goes "Those who fail to learn history are destined to repeat it" needs to be heeded. The last time we got involved in another nations civil war, Vietnam, 56000 US troops were killed and 2 million Vietnamese were killed as well. All of that was to prevent the Vietnamese from taking care of a Vietnamese problem, their right for self determination.

I dont like genocide, I dont; but sometimes we can make a problem much worse by getting involved in things that we shouldnt.


Actually, the last one was Libya, and, with the exception of Benghazi, went along swimmingly.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:08 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....

According to news I'm listening to, they have 60 days before it goes bad.

/could be an interesting/scary 60 days


It's not like US is a key player on the security council of some kind of union of countries that tries to keep peace in the world and prevent atrocities and war crimes.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:08 PM  
But didn't he just assure us he wouldn't use chemical weapons even if he did have them? I can't believe he is not to be trusted.
Oh well, at least he's doing it in time for the December 2 apocalypse.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:23 PM  

WTF Indeed: How many Arab countries do we need to bomb until we get one for free?



BWHHAHAAH!
 
2012-12-05 08:40:25 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

ORLY?

/ya rly.

No, what I mean is it wasn't "in violation of the law"

Well, you're still a dumbass.


And it's still not a violation of the Logan act for a member of Congress to travel overseas and make a speech.
 
2012-12-05 08:40:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Linkster: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Nope, destroy the aircraft on the ground, NOW!

Yup.


Load the drones and send them in. NOW!
 
2012-12-05 08:41:00 PM  
Anyone know if little brother Maher al-Assad is still among the living? It's kind of important, since he was the head of the military and secret police, and he'd be the one actually ordering the bombing if he's still alive. Also, there were indications Assad was willing to step down in favor of Maher earlier this year...before the Damascus bombing in July.

If Assad's back is as against the wall as this nerve-gas threat seems to indicate, then maybe the US should be interested. The last thing we need is ANOTHER unsupported power vacuum in the Middle East. Not saying we should get involved, but maybe we want to see what Turkey and Jordan are going to do.
 
2012-12-05 08:41:01 PM  

Krymson Tyde: But didn't he just assure us he wouldn't use chemical weapons even if he did have them? I can't believe he is not to be trusted.
Oh well, at least he's doing it in time for the December 2 apocalypse.


*21

December 21 apocalypse.
 
2012-12-05 08:41:11 PM  
I think if this is validated we should destroy as many of their planes and artillery as possible now.
 
2012-12-05 08:41:16 PM  
skull valley, 1968. never forget....

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-05 08:41:57 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.


Where do we base the no-fly enforcement out of? It has to be close, or we can't respond fast enough. We could do western Iraq, but I doubt we have enough resources in place to enforce it. Lebanon probably won't let us stage there, and Turkey is far enough away from Damascus that even if they did give us permission, it may not work. For obvious reasons, staging out of Israel is a non-starter.

We have at least one carrier group, the George H.W. Bush in place, but while that's good for eventually shooting down planes, it's not as good for short-range missiles. It also needs local support just to keep running. There's also the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group, which consists of 2,500 Marines. Good enough to offer support if invited, but not enough to invade the whole country. The Marines are good, but they aren't THAT good.

But all of this is a moot point, because if those guys decide that tomorrow is the day they launch planes and missiles with chemical weapons - no one has anything in place right now to stop them immediately. Shoot down the planes? Quite possibly - but some will get through unless they're all going for long range targets. If Syria launches a bombing run on a target 100 miles away from the airport, we wouldn't get there in time. Defend against short range missiles mounted on mobile platforms? Not so much.
 
2012-12-05 08:42:13 PM  
I really wish I was a child again sometimes, so I didn't have to care about this shiat. I'm just glad my innocence and naïveté lasted till I was about 10 yrs old. Seriously, the human race is one farked up species...so much hate and killing. I just don't understand it.

Absolutely straight up, laugh if you want, but it is very depressing to me at times
 
2012-12-05 08:42:15 PM  
The U.S. won't do shiat if they start using that crap other than wording strong letters of disapproval.
 
2012-12-05 08:42:54 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

Oh it just might be if the entire region goes batshiat over the use of WMDs.

Syria borders a NATO ally in Turkey and Israel as well. You think either of them are going to tolerate an errant rocket or bomb with a chemical weapon warhead?


Turkey's response so far is to request a NATO shield of Patriot missiles, which won't arrive until next year. Link
 
2012-12-05 08:42:56 PM  

bim1154: The U.S. won't do shiat if they start using that crap other than wording strong letters of disapproval.


Libya would like a word with you.
 
2012-12-05 08:43:17 PM  

WTFDYW: I've said it before eleventy times. I'll say it again. Let them kill themselves. They seem to LOVE this shiat.


Who is 'they?' You're saying you'd have a different answer if it was Christians being killed and not Muslims?
 
2012-12-05 08:43:21 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: SilentStrider: Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!

Only nine years too late.

Well, the left made sure to mock anyone who pointed out all the trucks crossing from Iraq into Syria just before the 2003 war. "MORE LIES! HALLIBURTON!"

Um, yeah. That was helpful.


Oh dear.
You're not a particularly rational person are you?
 
2012-12-05 08:43:41 PM  

BravadoGT: This should be some party--who will show up? Turkey? Hezbollah? Israel? The US? Iran?

/gonna need some more snacks


I predict a combined force that which hasn't been seen...ever.

Nothing short of a force that'll prevent anyone from getting their hands on such a weapon outside of Syria for nefarious purposes and a major assault being issued not only by our allies, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of shiat we haven't seen since a very long time.
 
2012-12-05 08:43:54 PM  

GAT_00: And if you are willing to stand by and saying that chemical warfare against civilians is simply a "problem" and even worse isn't our problem, then quite frankly I don't want to have anything to do with you. You're almost as bad as the people who would actually use these weapons.


Who are you gonna bomb? Both side are bad. One just slightly less than the other.
That is the problem. There doesn't seem to be a side that wants equal right for all.
Make no mistake I would not shed a single tear if the current president died. But this is the person who won their "election". They voted for him.
 
2012-12-05 08:44:04 PM  

bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?


Yes.
 
2012-12-05 08:44:05 PM  
If this is a real threat, then fine, chemical weapons can afflict America's allies over yonder, perhaps the American government will start another war. This time, though, they should take the stupid country for our own uses- think of all the oil reserves over there! It's just too bad that the USA decided to be the judge and meddler in world affairs without ever taking any territories to leverage power except the one it has way off on it's own safe and happy continent.
 
2012-12-05 08:44:13 PM  

atomic-age: bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?

Both. Simultaneously.


This is actually a rare case when a quantum mechanical problem can be solved exactly: Obama and the GOP are in a singlet state.

Therefore whenever you observe what Obama's doing, you know due to 100% anticorrelation that the GOP is frothing at the mouth about how wrong what Obama is doing is, regardless of what Obama is actually doing.

Scientists have made numerous precision tests of this theory over the last several years, and in every case the predicted correlation has held up better than measurement accuracy, and Quantum Derpchanics is a rapidly growing field.
 
2012-12-05 08:44:16 PM  

ArkPanda: I think if this is validated we should destroy as many of their planes and artillery as possible now.


This.
 
2012-12-05 08:44:18 PM  
If Assad uses chemical weapons it will be very difficult for China and Russia to continue vetoing any sort of international intervention and reconciliation. If there is not any sort of international peace-keeping than it's gonna be a very rough spot that the Alawites, the 10% of the population who have been running shiat for 60 years, find themselves in. This could just be a bluff but it's hard to see how Assad could think that this would help his chances of not ending up being hung in a market square. He might just be enough of a bastard to use a WMD on his own people (you hear that acronym a lot less on the news when there's no international contracts to be had)
 
2012-12-05 08:44:43 PM  

GAT_00: WTFDYW: I've said it before eleventy times. I'll say it again. Let them kill themselves. They seem to LOVE this shiat.

Who is 'they?' You're saying you'd have a different answer if it was Christians being killed and not Muslims?


Well, isolationism was a pretty popular position during WWI AND WWII...
 
2012-12-05 08:45:03 PM  

Lsherm: Where do we base the no-fly enforcement out of?


Hmm, I wonder what kind of ally we have in the area that we've given lots of weapons to? Oh right, Israel. And Turkey is in NATO and has been supporting the rebels for months. And we have a few bases in Saudi Arabia.

Nah, there's nowhere to base out of.
 
2012-12-05 08:45:36 PM  

Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. 

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.


LOCK refers to locking a magazine, LOAD refers to injecting a round into the breach, Try to keep the fark up!

Also, it is well documented that Saddam's WMD Were moved to Syria, along with a lot of other shiat.

What part of Treaties and Commitments to Turkey, Jordan, Israel, etc. NOT a US Problem? All you "Foriegn Policy" Geeks seem to forget shiat before you where born. Oil has nothing to do with it.

NATO is gonna play with their beard for a week when Israel and the US is ready and prepared to drop this shiat at the field and not let it get to 100K dead, have to Boots on the ground crap.
 
2012-12-05 08:45:57 PM  

mr lawson: GAT_00: And if you are willing to stand by and saying that chemical warfare against civilians is simply a "problem" and even worse isn't our problem, then quite frankly I don't want to have anything to do with you. You're almost as bad as the people who would actually use these weapons.

Who are you gonna bomb? Both side are bad. One just slightly less than the other.
That is the problem. There doesn't seem to be a side that wants equal right for all.
Make no mistake I would not shed a single tear if the current president died. But this is the person who won their "election". They voted for him.


Ok, I am utterly done with you forever. This is the worst apologist shiat I've ever read.
 
2012-12-05 08:46:02 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: His weapons were Soviet, French, German, and Chinese, in about that order. We have him jack shiat; we often were openly mocked, even by Britain, for trying to stop shipments of "innocuous" stuff (oil pipes that were turned into artillery pieces, for example). I know it's a lefty talking point that we armed Saddam, but just saying it doesn't make it true.


So you're saying we didn't sell him helicopters in the late 80's for Air-to ground operations in Iran that were then used against the Kurds?
 
2012-12-05 08:46:27 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Why am suddenly reminded of something I heard and ignored back when I was a kid, something in the Bible about Revelations and that "middle eastern" neck of the woods and all which might involve a "big bear"....


Is the bear hairy? Is the bear scary?
 
2012-12-05 08:46:46 PM  
Don't GIS Halabja.
 
2012-12-05 08:47:39 PM  
We need to do this gulf war 1 style, or Libya style. Completely crush their air power and offensive capability in 48 hrs and fly on home, let the resistance mop up.

We can't do a Bush 2 style anything. That guy was the farking anti-Midas, everything he touched turned to failure and mediocrity.
 
2012-12-05 08:47:40 PM  

UseUrHeadFred: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]

/Hot


That took longer than I expected.
 
2012-12-05 08:47:43 PM  

Mad_Radhu: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

That could be a lot of fun if the F-22s are actually up and running okay for now. I'm curious to see what they would be like when let off the leash, because an air superiority fighter that you can't see coming is something that should be pants wettingly scary for a military that has to go up against them.

Of course, that is assuming that the F-22 can manage to not asphyxiate its pilot in the process. Last I head it was actually squeezing them to unconsciousness with the G-suits somehow.


When I was in Israel, someone pointed out that mach1 from north to south is something like 1.2 seconds. -haven't looked at a map recently but I can't imagine what it is for Syria.

Then taking to mind that in modern aerial dogfights, aircraft are miles apart, the spacing just boggles my mind. Can they go far over the Mediterranean without triggering some type of incidents?
 
2012-12-05 08:48:04 PM  
Funny how this story has been reported widely and with such veracity. From what I hear, Assad's jets are getting knocked out with AA missiles and his artillery is hell and gone from the fighting.

He must be planning to deliver the chemical weapons by truck.
 
2012-12-05 08:48:13 PM  

bulldg4life: I haven't kept up on the outrage, but is the GOP angry that Obama is doing too much or not enough?


Yes!
 
2012-12-05 08:48:58 PM  

denbroc: Dr.Zom: Assad has nothing to lose at this point - he's going down and he's taking as many people as he can with him.

We need some ninjas to sneak in and take hims out quickly. We have ninjas, right?

[images.popmatters.com image 500x250]

Ninjas.
Check.


The seals aren't ninjas. They'd probably beat the ninjas is certain contests, and fail miserably in others. Even with the technology, SEALs aren't inteligence gathering spies. Ninja, on the other hand, would probably not pass the SEAL physical test on the first try. Running and climbing is a lot different in full body armor with guns and ammo strapped on.
 
2012-12-05 08:49:08 PM  

WTF Indeed: JohnAnnArbor: His weapons were Soviet, French, German, and Chinese, in about that order. We have him jack shiat; we often were openly mocked, even by Britain, for trying to stop shipments of "innocuous" stuff (oil pipes that were turned into artillery pieces, for example). I know it's a lefty talking point that we armed Saddam, but just saying it doesn't make it true.

So you're saying we didn't sell him helicopters in the late 80's for Air-to ground operations in Iran that were then used against the Kurds?


Um, they flew Soviet and French aircraft. Not American. Iran had American stuff, pre-revolution stuff plus reloads from arms for hostages (remember that?).
 
2012-12-05 08:49:10 PM  

atomic-age: MelGoesOnTour: Why am suddenly reminded of something I heard and ignored back when I was a kid, something in the Bible about Revelations and that "middle eastern" neck of the woods and all which might involve a "big bear"....

Is the bear hairy? Is the bear scary?


YES

upload.wikimedia.org

nothing about this will end well. not for us, not for mr. weak chin assad, not for no one nowhere, no sirree.
 
2012-12-05 08:49:40 PM  

pciszek: Someone mentioned that Russia has major interests in Syria. Would they be likely to defend the current government, or decide that the current government has become a liability and try to take them out quickly?


Russia has a major strategic naval base which they lease in Syria and have extensively developed. Being the practical folks that they are, the Russians are unlikely to give a rat's ass who's in charge as long as they are left alone.
 
2012-12-05 08:50:07 PM  
God-is-a-Taco:
upload.wikimedia.org

...

ryanleak.com 

/A golf clap for you sir.
 
2012-12-05 08:50:11 PM  

mr lawson: Mentat: I think we've tried that a few dozen times already. Doesn't seem to help.

Maybe not, but it doesn't cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of US lives for the same results.



WW II had no costs in US dollars and US lives? We sat out of it while Europe burned because it was "not our problem"?

Syria has been going at it for awhile now. The British should have intervened, but I suppose they sit on their hands because, well simply Blair and his association with the war drumming for Iraq.

The use of Chemical Weapons will lead to a greater escalation in Syria and the region around it. We can try and prevent that escalation or we can sit back say "not our problem" and be sucked into a much larger problem later on.

This is a truly worrisome problem. It can not be underestimated. This is why SS Clinton is warning Asssad of the implications of a decision to use these weapons. If he does use them, expect to see a very large retaliation, most likely by the US, possibly NATO, or maybe the British, if they ever find their balls again.

Ah look at this Britian is stepping up:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9721126/Br i tain-has-directly-warned-Assad-of-immediate-response-if-Syria-uses-che mical-weapons.html

Good.
 
2012-12-05 08:50:25 PM  

GAT_00: Ok, I am utterly done with you forever. This is the worst apologist shiat I've ever read.


Sigh..ok fine. Take out all planes, mobile rockets, hell..take out syrians entire millitary and the president.
Then what?
 
2012-12-05 08:50:34 PM  

smells_like_meat: pciszek: Someone mentioned that Russia has major interests in Syria. Would they be likely to defend the current government, or decide that the current government has become a liability and try to take them out quickly?

Russia has a major strategic naval base which they lease in Syria and have extensively developed. Being the practical folks that they are, the Russians are unlikely to give a rat's ass who's in charge as long as they are left alone.


Nor do they care how many die. They're very--what's the word--"practical."
 
2012-12-05 08:51:17 PM  

WTF Indeed: How many Arab countries do we need to bomb until we get one for free?


Bwaaaaahahaha
 
2012-12-05 08:51:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Anyone know if little brother Maher al-Assad is still among the living? It's kind of important, since he was the head of the military and secret police, and he'd be the one actually ordering the bombing if he's still alive. Also, there were indications Assad was willing to step down in favor of Maher earlier this year...before the Damascus bombing in July.

If Assad's back is as against the wall as this nerve-gas threat seems to indicate, then maybe the US should be interested. The last thing we need is ANOTHER unsupported power vacuum in the Middle East. Not saying we should get involved, but maybe we want to see what Turkey and Jordan are going to do.


What I'm hoping for is that the Arab countries (Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) actually intervene. It's as much their problem as ours -- and they should be very concerned should Assad launch a chemical attack on anyone and any chemical weapon land anywhere within Israeli territory. I wouldn't put it past him to do that intentionally, and I don't think any of the other ME countries would want that to happen, either, under ANY circumstances.
 
2012-12-05 08:51:39 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: Where do we base the no-fly enforcement out of?

Hmm, I wonder what kind of ally we have in the area that we've given lots of weapons to? Oh right, Israel. And Turkey is in NATO and has been supporting the rebels for months. And we have a few bases in Saudi Arabia.

Nah, there's nowhere to base out of.


Can you read?
 
2012-12-05 08:51:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Reports are the the USS Eisenhower is sitting of the coast of Syria, ready to strike.


TROLL OR MORON, I pick the Later!
 
2012-12-05 08:52:11 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Why am suddenly reminded of something I heard and ignored back when I was a kid, something in the Bible about Revelations and that "middle eastern" neck of the woods and all which might involve a "big bear"....


Because that book was written in the Mideast so it's unlikely that the authors would set the final battle to determine the fate of the world in Kansas.
 
2012-12-05 08:52:17 PM  

JustinCase: When I was in Israel, someone pointed out that mach1 from north to south is something like 1.2 seconds. -haven't looked at a map recently but I can't imagine what it is for Syria.


1.2 seconds at Mach 1 is slightly over 4 football fields in length. Mach 1 is roughly a mile per five seconds.
 
2012-12-05 08:53:04 PM  

SilentStrider: Mentat: We found the WMD's! Woo hoo!

Only nine years too late.


I'm still not sure why they didn't just plant some.
 
2012-12-05 08:53:14 PM  

just_intonation: Gyrfalcon: Anyone know if little brother Maher al-Assad is still among the living? It's kind of important, since he was the head of the military and secret police, and he'd be the one actually ordering the bombing if he's still alive. Also, there were indications Assad was willing to step down in favor of Maher earlier this year...before the Damascus bombing in July.

If Assad's back is as against the wall as this nerve-gas threat seems to indicate, then maybe the US should be interested. The last thing we need is ANOTHER unsupported power vacuum in the Middle East. Not saying we should get involved, but maybe we want to see what Turkey and Jordan are going to do.

What I'm hoping for is that the Arab countries (Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) actually intervene. It's as much their problem as ours -- and they should be very concerned should Assad launch a chemical attack on anyone and any chemical weapon land anywhere within Israeli territory. I wouldn't put it past him to do that intentionally, and I don't think any of the other ME countries would want that to happen, either, under ANY circumstances.


Turkey isn't Arab, as I'm sure Turks and Arabs would both love to point out at some length.
 
2012-12-05 08:53:17 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Um, they flew Soviet and French aircraft. Not American. Iran had American stuff, pre-revolution stuff plus reloads from arms for hostages (remember that?).


Study it out.

Link
Link
Link
 
2012-12-05 08:53:21 PM  
Any one else think Assad might send a few towards Israel? If he going to go for a hail Mary type move, attacking Israel with chemical weapons, declaring holy war, and calling for all Islamic people to join them could start a wider mid-east war. Of course sparking that greater middle eastern war would require Israel to respond to chemical weapon attacks by using nuclear weapons on Syria, but I don't think Assad cares.

He knows he's dead if he uses gas. Why not gas the Jews.

/if he survives he would be a hero to many Muslims
//and be welcome in exile in many Islamic nations
 
2012-12-05 08:53:30 PM  

doglover: denbroc: Dr.Zom: Assad has nothing to lose at this point - he's going down and he's taking as many people as he can with him.

We need some ninjas to sneak in and take hims out quickly. We have ninjas, right?

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Ninjas.
Check.

The seals aren't ninjas. They'd probably beat the ninjas is certain contests, and fail miserably in others. Even with the technology, SEALs aren't inteligence gathering spies. Ninja, on the other hand, would probably not pass the SEAL physical test on the first try. Running and climbing is a lot different in full body armor with guns and ammo strapped on.


So....House of Sinanju?
 
2012-12-05 08:54:02 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Syria is not the United States. Syria is a sovereign nation who is filled with people known as Syrians.

Sure, it would horrify me, but unless Syria commits some sort of military attack upon us, we should not get involved. This is Syria's problem. Syria has to work this out with themselves

This may shock you, but Syria does not exist in a self-contained little bubble.

I know that.

But as the saying goes "Those who fail to learn history are destined to repeat it" needs to be heeded. The last time we got involved in another nations civil war, Vietnam, 56000 US troops were killed and 2 million Vietnamese were killed as well. All of that was to prevent the Vietnamese from taking care of a Vietnamese problem, their right for self determination.

I dont like genocide, I dont; but sometimes we can make a problem much worse by getting involved in things that we shouldnt.


But those two civil wars weren't like this one. There were no chemical weapons (well, that we didn't introduce) in Vietnam, and there were none in Iraq. Then again, we were told there were.
 
2012-12-05 08:54:05 PM  
Brown people...
 
2012-12-05 08:54:16 PM  

mr lawson: GAT_00: Ok, I am utterly done with you forever. This is the worst apologist shiat I've ever read.

Sigh..ok fine. Take out all planes, mobile rockets, hell..take out syrians entire millitary and the president.
Then what?


You know, we kind of have a blueprint with Libya. You might have heard something about that.
 
2012-12-05 08:54:26 PM  

Linkster: Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. 

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.

LOCK refers to locking a magazine, LOAD refers to injecting a round into the breach, Try to keep the fark up!

 

Well the phrase is said to originate around the M1 Garand. If you put the clip in but didn't chamber a round, wouldn't you still call it "loaded"? I'd say putting a clip into it makes it pretty darn "loaded", terminology-wise. It's not like you really need to instruct people to put a clip in the weapon before going into combat... at least I hope not.
 
2012-12-05 08:54:40 PM  

tlchwi02: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

bingo. i don't care who owns that crappy section of desert as long as i didnt have to pay for it. i realize thats callous and cruel to say, but why should more of my friends die on the other side of the globe to try and sort things out in favor of a group who are no more fond of us than assad.


I've never quoted for truth before but I guess there is always a first time. Not our business, not our problem to solve. Let them sort it out for themselves. We need a Star Trek style prime directive. Unless another country attacks us directly, we need to keep our long noses and fat arses out of it.
 
2012-12-05 08:55:16 PM  

mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!


Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.
 
2012-12-05 08:56:47 PM  

johnnyrocket: Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.


What about the ignore list?
 
2012-12-05 08:56:52 PM  

erik-k: JustinCase: When I was in Israel, someone pointed out that mach1 from north to south is something like 1.2 seconds. -haven't looked at a map recently but I can't imagine what it is for Syria.

1.2 seconds at Mach 1 is slightly over 4 football fields in length. Mach 1 is roughly a mile per five seconds.


I was told there would be no math, cause your math SUCKS!
 
2012-12-05 08:57:10 PM  
Let them use them BEFORE we act. I don't want to give the jib-jibs more "proof" that we are just going around indiscriminately killing Arabs for no reason; especially if I'm going to have to be one of the people who has to go do it.
 
2012-12-05 08:57:11 PM  

Mentat: You know, we kind of have a blueprint with Libya. You might have heard something about that.


If I thought for a second it would work, I would be all in.
 
2012-12-05 08:57:22 PM  
Sarin?
Better send Nick Cage in.

/Do you know how this shiat works?
//I'd take pleasure in guttin you, boy.
 
2012-12-05 08:57:56 PM  
The problem with Syria is that government is seated in Damascus and the rebels are making trouble in the north and there's sandy desert in between.

Just another problem caused by map makers in the past that locked governments into stupid boundaries but no one wants to give up power that would be involved in redistricting the maps.

It's as if the region was gerrymandered to create the most strife.
 
2012-12-05 08:57:59 PM  

Omahawg: atomic-age: MelGoesOnTour: Why am suddenly reminded of something I heard and ignored back when I was a kid, something in the Bible about Revelations and that "middle eastern" neck of the woods and all which might involve a "big bear"....

Is the bear hairy? Is the bear scary?

YES

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nothing about this will end well. not for us, not for mr. weak chin assad, not for no one nowhere, no sirree.


That hirsute gentleman looks friendly.
 
2012-12-05 08:58:16 PM  

kinkkerbelle: I've never quoted for truth before but I guess there is always a first time. Not our business, not our problem to solve. Let them sort it out for themselves. We need a Star Trek style prime directive. Unless another country attacks us directly, we need to keep our long noses and fat arses out of it.


Like it or not, we are the world's superpower and sometimes that means you have to deal with stuff like this. I'm not a chickenhawk aching for war. I would just as soon stay out. But sometimes, we have to deal with shiat that no one else wants to touch. If chemical weapons start flying, all bets are off. We can't just ignore it and hope that it will all work itself out.
 
2012-12-05 08:58:30 PM  

johnnyrocket: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.


unless they are in africa?
 
2012-12-05 08:59:00 PM  

cman: cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.

media.tumblr.com

^^^ Never thought he would agree with cman ^^^


SUCKERS!

 
2012-12-05 08:59:02 PM  

BigBooper: Any one else think Assad might send a few towards Israel? If he going to go for a hail Mary type move, attacking Israel with chemical weapons, declaring holy war, and calling for all Islamic people to join them could start a wider mid-east war. Of course sparking that greater middle eastern war would require Israel to respond to chemical weapon attacks by using nuclear weapons on Syria, but I don't think Assad cares.

He knows he's dead if he uses gas. Why not gas the Jews.

/if he survives he would be a hero to many Muslims
//and be welcome in exile in many Islamic nations


If Assad attacked Israel with Sarin, you can bet that there would be a STRONGLY worded letter of reprimand from the UN that would go into their PERMANENT file.

Maybe.
 
2012-12-05 08:59:30 PM  
The BBC broadcast this on the evening news tonight... but they were just citing the same source I think.

The risk here is of course a conflict which spreads through the region. (Unless you are Syrian of course and have bigger fish to fry) The region is so unstable it's always a concern if something like dense. urban chem attacks occur. The Kurds were a different matter... mostly rural compared to a large Syrian city, and what about 5,000 people killed. A Sarin attack from truly militarized delivery system on a dense urban population would be potentially devastating to the entire region, not to mention to the Syrian civilian population.

The US would have virtually no choice but to intervene.
 
2012-12-05 08:59:50 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: The military has loaded the precursor chemicals for sarin, a deadly nerve gas, into aerial bombs that could be dropped onto the Syrian people from dozens of fighter-bombers, the officials said.

Initial symptoms following exposure to sarin are a runny nose, tightness in the chest and constriction of the pupils. Soon after, the victim has difficulty breathing and experiences nausea and drooling. As the victim continues to lose control of bodily functions, the victim vomits, defecates and urinates. This phase is followed by twitching and jerking. Ultimately, the victim becomes comatose and suffocates in a series of convulsive spasms.

ya..you guys bring this to the table, and it's all over biatches. You're going to get raped. Don't even think about it.


To be fair, I experienced the same symptoms watching 'Twilight'.
 
2012-12-05 08:59:51 PM  

Mentat: f. We can't just ignore it


We did that once with chemical weapons, on top of various other genocide we've ignored, it never works out well for anyone in the long term.
 
2012-12-05 08:59:54 PM  

bim1154: The U.S. won't do shiat if they start using that crap other than wording strong letters of disapproval.


It won't be in our hands.
We've got a NATO member next door and a half a dozen allies less than a stones throw from this mess. If Assad starts lobbing gas, everyone downwind is gonna get awfully angry and demand something be done. Even if it means WWIII.

Russia is going to have to wear her big girl britches and either put Syria in its place or disown the situation. They won't back the use of chemical weapons.
They need to leash this guy, ASAP.
 
2012-12-05 09:00:06 PM  

WTF Indeed: JohnAnnArbor: Um, they flew Soviet and French aircraft. Not American. Iran had American stuff, pre-revolution stuff plus reloads from arms for hostages (remember that?).

Study it out.

Link
Link
Link


Interesting. (Really.) But, still proves out the point: the vast majority of their military hardware was Soviet and French. Looks like we shipped them three varieties of goofy light scout helicopters and one larger variety. The actual militarily-useful stuff was Soviet and French. (Ideally, we shouldn't have sent crap like that at all, of course.)
 
2012-12-05 09:00:25 PM  

Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. 

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.


"Lock and load" was GI slang for mimicking our Vietnamese allies saying "rock and roll."

/true story
//not really, just made it up
/// should be on snopes within a fortnight
 
2012-12-05 09:00:30 PM  
Oh yes they did gurl, they are really trying it!
 
2012-12-05 09:00:59 PM  

johnnyrocket:
Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.


"We" ignore them all the time. Where's your protest for the DNC or any other mass violence surely going on elsewhere in the world?
People about this one because someone on Facebook linked it to them and that chick you like hit "like" so you need to read up on it so you can totally break the ice the next time you see her.
 
2012-12-05 09:01:22 PM  

DblDad: If true, then this is a nightmare - but I want to see a source cited other than "U.S. officials." I can't find any mention of this on the BBC, other British sites, Al Jazeera English, or other Middle Eastern news sites. The only other mention outside of the US media was from the Jerusalem Post. I'd think that if weapons had been loaded then the world media would be all over this.


Point.

I didn't look hard but the only BBC mention I found was from 12/3 mentioning a warning from America.
 
2012-12-05 09:01:25 PM  

Omahawg: johnnyrocket: mr lawson: Repeat after me Fark.

NOT.. OUR ....FARKING.... PROBLEM!

Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.

unless they are in africa?



Our only interest is how this might affect Israel.


/Or is Israel the source of this "intelligence" - like it was in the case with Iraq?
 
2012-12-05 09:03:59 PM  
I predict the outcome of chemical weapons from the Assad regime to go something like this:

All NATO countries become enraged, something something bombs, Syria is freed.
 
2012-12-05 09:03:59 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: just_intonation: Gyrfalcon: Anyone know if little brother Maher al-Assad is still among the living? It's kind of important, since he was the head of the military and secret police, and he'd be the one actually ordering the bombing if he's still alive. Also, there were indications Assad was willing to step down in favor of Maher earlier this year...before the Damascus bombing in July.

If Assad's back is as against the wall as this nerve-gas threat seems to indicate, then maybe the US should be interested. The last thing we need is ANOTHER unsupported power vacuum in the Middle East. Not saying we should get involved, but maybe we want to see what Turkey and Jordan are going to do.

What I'm hoping for is that the Arab countries (Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) actually intervene. It's as much their problem as ours -- and they should be very concerned should Assad launch a chemical attack on anyone and any chemical weapon land anywhere within Israeli territory. I wouldn't put it past him to do that intentionally, and I don't think any of the other ME countries would want that to happen, either, under ANY circumstances.

Turkey isn't Arab, as I'm sure Turks and Arabs would both love to point out at some length.


True. I should have said 'Middle Eastern' throughout. But no one would deny that they have a common interest here.
 
2012-12-05 09:03:59 PM  

mr lawson: Mentat: You know, we kind of have a blueprint with Libya. You might have heard something about that.

If I thought for a second it would work, I would be all in.


Um, it did work. That's the point.
 
2012-12-05 09:04:00 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Muthaship: About to cross the U.S.'s red line. What's one more war....

Fair point, but the use of chemical or biological weapons should be a red line for the entire world, not just America. No one even thinks of using these kinds of weapons for anything other than genocide, and humanity has a duty to itself to stop such insanity from coming to bear.


I try not to be a jingoistic idiot, but in my opinion telling the world that a nuclear strike on any site preparing chemical weapons for use is a virtual certainty would not be out of line
 
2012-12-05 09:04:01 PM  

jaybeezey: what's one more country that's just going to end up under Sharia Law anyway?


That's "Arab Spring" to you, sonny Jim.

/twitter and Facebook will sort it all out in the end
 
2012-12-05 09:04:06 PM  

Lsherm: GAT_00: Lsherm: Where do we base the no-fly enforcement out of?

Hmm, I wonder what kind of ally we have in the area that we've given lots of weapons to? Oh right, Israel. And Turkey is in NATO and has been supporting the rebels for months. And we have a few bases in Saudi Arabia.

Nah, there's nowhere to base out of.

Can you read?


Your reasons are fairly superficial. You just dismiss that we can't use those places. The Iraqi zones were run from Saudi Arabia and Turkey. While Saudi Arabia may be farther, what legitimate reason can you give that we patrolled Northern Iraq from Turkey but can't patrol Syria?
 
2012-12-05 09:04:15 PM  

vartian: cman: So another war in the middle east for us then, right?

You'd rather watch genocide in HD on the nightly news?


But, we can't judge. Can't judge. We're "no better" and we've got people here that we need to take care of "here at home".
 
2012-12-05 09:04:29 PM  

Oznog: Linkster: Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. 

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.

LOCK refers to locking a magazine, LOAD refers to injecting a round into the breach, Try to keep the fark up! 

Well the phrase is said to originate around the M1 Garand. If you put the clip in but didn't chamber a round, wouldn't you still call it "loaded"? I'd say putting a clip into it makes it pretty darn "loaded", terminology-wise. It's not like you really need to instruct people to put a clip in the weapon before going into combat... at least I hope not.


My dad was drafted for WWII. He said they had a drill instructor who could not pronounce the letter 'L' and instead exhorted them to "Rock and road!"
 
2012-12-05 09:04:32 PM  

wildcardjack: It's as if the region was gerrymandered to create the most strife.


That's basically exactly what the British did when they cast off their colonies in the region, and in Africa: "If we can't have it, let's just draw the lines on the map so the natives are guaranteed to be at each other's throats forever, then at least there won't be any competitors arising from the region."

In short, the British successfully tricked an appreciable fraction of earth's entire surface into a neverending flamewar with itself and escaped virtually unscathed by comparison, making the Royal Family probably the most enormously successful trolls of all time.
 
2012-12-05 09:04:37 PM  
the war won't last long. They don't have much we want. Granted they produce/export oil but nothing (as far as I can tell) like Iran. They do import machinery and the like but all in all they don't seem to be a huge economic powerhouse in the region.
So again, not much there to take or get rid of so it should be quick Bomb the snot out of govt offices- ruin the airforce, dismantle any other armed services and the secret police and we're done. Oh and give Assad what'shisname bus fare to The Hague.

Link
 
2012-12-05 09:04:46 PM  

Linkster: Popcorn Johnny: Reports are the the USS Eisenhower is sitting of the coast of Syria, ready to strike.

TROLL OR MORON, I pick the Later!


LOL what?
 
2012-12-05 09:05:15 PM  

erik-k: JustinCase: When I was in Israel, someone pointed out that mach1 from north to south is something like 1.2 seconds. -haven't looked at a map recently but I can't imagine what it is for Syria.

1.2 seconds at Mach 1 is slightly over 4 football fields in length. Mach 1 is roughly a mile per five seconds.


Wow, I was WAY off.

Could you elaborate on where any potential aerial dogfights might take place without flying over a neighboring country?
 
2012-12-05 09:05:36 PM  
I have a solution that should eliminate the middle east.
www.maniacworld.com
 
2012-12-05 09:06:27 PM  

Mentat: Like it or not, we are the world's superpower and sometimes that means you have to deal with stuff like this. I'm not a chickenhawk aching for war. I would just as soon stay out. But sometimes, we have to deal with shiat that no one else wants to touch. If chemical weapons start flying, all bets are off. We can't just ignore it and hope that it will all work itself out.


Please believe me when i say I understand and appreciate that rational. I hate the idea of standing by while thousands are murdered.But there are no good side vs bad side. Just bad vs a little less bad.
 
2012-12-05 09:06:46 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Obama makes his yellow cake speech in 3.....2.....1


He can't. No matter what the intellegence is he can't make that speech because it'll make him Bush. He has to wait until thousands are dead before he can make that speech. He knows it and Assad knows it. Assad also knows that Obama, in an attempt to not look like Bush, will take this before the UN, where Russia and China will foul up the works. All that will come out of that will be a light punative action.
 
2012-12-05 09:07:40 PM  

mr lawson: But there are no good side vs bad side.


Stopping genocide if it starts happening makes you default good. It's all situational, no one is perfect and a lack of perfection is no excuse for sitting back.
 
2012-12-05 09:07:43 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Interesting. (Really.) But, still proves out the point: the vast majority of their military hardware was Soviet and French. Looks like we shipped them three varieties of goofy light scout helicopters and one larger variety. The actual militarily-useful stuff was Soviet and French. (Ideally, we shouldn't have sent crap like that at all, of course.)


You see, back in the 80's Iraq was at war with Iran. We sold them them following:

Link
 
2012-12-05 09:07:54 PM  
Obama and Hilary have certainly made the world a safer place. By talking to these leaders, we will see that they desire peace as well. Our relationships with Russia, Isreal, Egypt and the UK are stronger than ever.
 
2012-12-05 09:07:58 PM  

atomic-age: My dad was drafted for WWII. He said they had a drill instructor who could not pronounce the letter 'L' and instead exhorted them to "Rock and road!"


ROR
 
2012-12-05 09:08:18 PM  
An amazingly accurate prediction put in game format. An oldie but a goodie. I remember "playing" this 10 years ago and laughing my head off and thinking "yep that sounds about right". They even got the order of Egypt and Syria correct.

GULF WAR 2.0
 
2012-12-05 09:09:06 PM  

WTFDYW: I've said it before eleventy times. I'll say it again. Let them the guy with the chemical weapons kill themselves the unarmed civilian population. They seem to LOVE this shiat.

 
2012-12-05 09:09:58 PM  

roughridersfan: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

[ginacobb.typepad.com image 350x498]

Link (New Window) 

"We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Pelosi told reporters after her talks with Assad.


PWND!
 
2012-12-05 09:10:33 PM  
Anyone hear what the alleged SOURCE of this "intelligence" is?
 
2012-12-05 09:10:38 PM  
So, that's where those pesky Iraq WMD's went.

www.sondrak.com
 
2012-12-05 09:10:48 PM  

mr lawson: Please believe me when i say I understand and appreciate that rational. I hate the idea of standing by while thousands are murdered.But there are no good side vs bad side. Just bad vs a little less bad.


Then don't put it in terms of good vs bad. Put it in terms of enlightened self-interest. It is not in our nation's best interest for this civil war to escalate to the use of chemical weapons. There is too much danger of the war expanding beyond Syria's borders and dragging in our allies. It would be better for us to deal with it on our terms rather than to allow the situation to escalate beyond our control. We have a blueprint for dealing with this situation that doesn't involve boots on the ground or anyone greeting us as liberators. If it comes to it, we should act.
 
2012-12-05 09:11:01 PM  

erik-k: In short, the British successfully tricked an appreciable fraction of earth's entire surface into a neverending flamewar with itself and escaped virtually unscathed by comparison, making the Royal Family probably the most enormously successful trolls of all time.


To say this is to assume that the Africans have no moral agency of their own -- i.e. that if Africans have only to be provoked in a certain way to automatically cause them to commit genocide against each other, through no fault of their own. If the map of the United States were to be rejiggered tomorrow by an outside power so that there were only 13 irregularly- shaped states instead of the current 57 (sic) would you Americans all suddenly go apesh*t and start killing each other? I mean Texans might, but everyone else? Colonialism gets the blame for all of Africa's and Middle East's problems, but ethnic strife has raged in these regions since time immemorial and the excuse is wearing a bit thin.
 
2012-12-05 09:11:08 PM  
My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.
 
2012-12-05 09:11:29 PM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: cman: Look what happened with Bush and Iraq. Mushroom Cloud Smoking Gun, remember that? This doesnt concern us

Wait, how is this in any way similar to Iraq?

Because, remember, Saddam Hussein had WMD's and was committing genocide against his own people, right? We were played for fools then; lets not get played for fools now.


Big difference between invading and conquering a country and establishing a no-fly zone. A few air patrols from manned aircraft and drones could stop most chemical weapons use, since those weapons need to be delivered by aircraft or missile. This could be done like Libya; no American boots on the ground, no Americans hurt, and no WMDs launched.
 
2012-12-05 09:12:11 PM  

pedobearapproved: Assad also knows that Obama,


Obama had no problem calling in Seal Team Six on bin Laden. If there's an air craft carrier out in the waters near Syria, then if any sort of nerve agent or other chemical agent starts being used, there's not going to be much waiting around.
 
2012-12-05 09:13:05 PM  

WTF Indeed: To be fair, he was killing his own people with the WMDs we gave him in the 1980's. So that was more a test to see how well our weapons held up over time.


This old thing again.
Please show one relevant document that show 'we gave him WMD's', other than agricultural samples.
Actual weapons? Just one reliable document.

C'mon...I know you can do it.
 
2012-12-05 09:13:26 PM  

PirateKing: Weren't people bragging about missiles that can land in some guy's coffee cup from a thousand miles away? Why don't we just use those?


need a bigger boom than those can deliver. just blowing up the site risks releasing the chemical agents. This calls for a strike by FAE (fuel air explosives) or a "Daisy cutter" 16,000 lb conventional bomb or a small nuke so you guarantee you cook off the bad shiat at the site in the ensuing inferno.

Ugly to be sure but so is nerve gas
 
2012-12-05 09:13:31 PM  
Damascus, Syria is about 10 minutes airtime from the USS Eisenhower. Slightly longer, not much, from our bases in Iraq, Jordan and Turkey. The power of a carrier group is hard to imagine. If we wanted, his airfields would be cratered and useless in 11 minutes. Any planes in the air would be dark spots on the ground in 12. This is not "USA, USA, USA ITG posturing. Its the reality of our air power.

He can't win. He can't even kill his own people. Unless we let him.
 
2012-12-05 09:13:45 PM  
they really didnt...
 
2012-12-05 09:14:29 PM  

MorrisBird: My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.


Well, who's we?
 
2012-12-05 09:15:10 PM  
Didnt his daddy gas one of his cities also?
 
2012-12-05 09:15:46 PM  
I'm in the camp that we're obligated to help where we can, and if we don't, we're cowards. I also think everyone who would stand by is a coward, and has no real humanity about them. I understand why they say it, but I don't understand how their hearts can be so cold.
 
2012-12-05 09:16:24 PM  

smells_like_meat: Damascus, Syria is about 10 minutes airtime from the USS Eisenhower. Slightly longer, not much, from our bases in Iraq, Jordan and Turkey. The power of a carrier group is hard to imagine. If we wanted, his airfields would be cratered and useless in 11 minutes. Any planes in the air would be dark spots on the ground in 12. This is not "USA, USA, USA ITG posturing. Its the reality of our air power.

He can't win. He can't even kill his own people. Unless we let him.


Doesn't mean we'll use it.
 
2012-12-05 09:16:35 PM  

Mentat: Then don't put it in terms of good vs bad. Put it in terms of enlightened self-interest. It is not in our nation's best interest for this civil war to escalate to the use of chemical weapons. There is too much danger of the war expanding beyond Syria's borders and dragging in our allies. It would be better for us to deal with it on our terms rather than to allow the situation to escalate beyond our control. We have a blueprint for dealing with this situation that doesn't involve boots on the ground or anyone greeting us as liberators. If it comes to it, we should act.


If we can achieve those goals with a limited amount of involvement, the so be it. If, however, another land war spanning 10+ years is on the table forget it.
Deal?
 
2012-12-05 09:17:03 PM  

WTF Indeed: JohnAnnArbor: Interesting. (Really.) But, still proves out the point: the vast majority of their military hardware was Soviet and French. Looks like we shipped them three varieties of goofy light scout helicopters and one larger variety. The actual militarily-useful stuff was Soviet and French. (Ideally, we shouldn't have sent crap like that at all, of course.)

You see, back in the 80's Iraq was at war with Iran. We sold them them following:

Link


..............which still proves only that we thought it was convenient for two nations we didn't like to shoot at each other for a while. Red on red is what it's called.

The central point stands: by far, the VAST majority of their stuff was Soviet and French. Saying "we armed Saddam" is about as accurate as "we armed Japan before WWII." We sold Japan a few P-35s, but they made the vast majority of their own stuff.
 
2012-12-05 09:17:31 PM  

Marine1: MorrisBird: My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.

Well, who's we?


The human race. My dog merely wants steak.
 
2012-12-05 09:17:34 PM  
There were a lot of lies leading up to our latest fling in Iraq.

You remember them, don't you?

But I'm sure we can safely believe all that we are told.

Now.
 
2012-12-05 09:17:56 PM  

brandent: An amazingly accurate prediction put in game format. An oldie but a goodie. I remember "playing" this 10 years ago and laughing my head off and thinking "yep that sounds about right". They even got the order of Egypt and Syria correct.

GULF WAR 2.0


Baghdad Crater has been liberated!
 
2012-12-05 09:18:51 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jaybeezey: what's one more country that's just going to end up under Sharia Law anyway?

That's "Arab Spring" to you, sonny Jim.

/twitter and Facebook will sort it all out in the end


We need a badge for this thread
 
2012-12-05 09:19:02 PM  

mr lawson: Mentat: Then don't put it in terms of good vs bad. Put it in terms of enlightened self-interest. It is not in our nation's best interest for this civil war to escalate to the use of chemical weapons. There is too much danger of the war expanding beyond Syria's borders and dragging in our allies. It would be better for us to deal with it on our terms rather than to allow the situation to escalate beyond our control. We have a blueprint for dealing with this situation that doesn't involve boots on the ground or anyone greeting us as liberators. If it comes to it, we should act.

If we can achieve those goals with a limited amount of involvement, the so be it. If, however, another land war spanning 10+ years is on the table forget it.
Deal?


I agree with that.
 
2012-12-05 09:19:24 PM  
Roosevelt had the same problem.

pedobearapproved: david_gaithersburg: Obama makes his yellow cake speech in 3.....2.....1

He can't. No matter what the intellegence is he can't make that speech because it'll make him Bush. He has to wait until thousands are dead before he can make that speech. He knows it and Assad knows it. Assad also knows that Obama, in an attempt to not look like Bush, will take this before the UN, where Russia and China will foul up the works. All that will come out of that will be a light punative action.



Obama does not need to make a Bush speech. He is not actively looking for the answer that always equals war. The Bush administration did not like diplomacy. They scuttled diplomatic efforts that had been underway for over a decade because of a righteous belief system. Prior to Iraq getting underway, Hussein had relented, but war was necessary in the eyes of the administration.

Obama has none of that. We are maintaining diplomatic relations, Britain is applying pressure and expect to see Russia doing so as well, with possibly Iran chiming in as well. Assad is about to become very isolated. Hopefully, he realizes his position and relents. The only ones against that would be other monarchies in the ME, they will become very nervous looking at their own ability to hold onto power.
 
2012-12-05 09:19:36 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: WTF Indeed: To be fair, he was killing his own people with the WMDs we gave him in the 1980's. So that was more a test to see how well our weapons held up over time.

This old thing again.
Please show one relevant document that show 'we gave him WMD's', other than agricultural samples.
Actual weapons? Just one reliable document.

C'mon...I know you can do it.


He found a few helicopters we sold Saddam (civil-grade, but still a surprise to me). No WMDs, not much else. But it doesn't take much to make extravagant claims if you have a philosophy that "US bad, must blame."
 
2012-12-05 09:19:37 PM  

Brick-House: So, that's where those pesky Iraq WMD's went.

[www.sondrak.com image 434x297]


Are you sure that isn't the crowd at Burning Man leaving after the burn?
 
2012-12-05 09:19:40 PM  
Muslims killing fellow Muslims in their own country.

I don't see the problem.
 
2012-12-05 09:19:49 PM  

RealAmericanHero: I'm in the camp that we're obligated to help where we can, and if we don't, we're cowards. I also think everyone who would stand by is a coward, and has no real humanity about them. I understand why they say it, but I don't understand how their hearts can be so cold.



You assume that the information we have been given is accurate.

I assume that there are games afoot, and remain VERY skeptical.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:08 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: The central point stands: by far, the VAST majority of their stuff was Soviet and French. Saying "we armed Saddam" is about as accurate as "we armed Japan before WWII." We sold Japan a few P-35s, but they made the vast majority of their own stuff.


Look buddy, we gave them arms, satellites, economic ad, and chemical weapons. We armed them. Just because you can't handle that fact doesn't mean I have change the inflection of the word "armed" to suit your need to feel better about whatever the f*ck you want to feel better about.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:23 PM  

Amos Quito: There were a lot of lies leading up to our latest fling in Iraq.

You remember them, don't you?

But I'm sure we can safely believe all that we are told.

Now.


If Assad starts launching chemical weapons, then it's not a hypothetical anymore. That's the standard that President Obama set. We're not talking about invading a country based on imaginary WMD's.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:29 PM  

Mentat: I agree with that.


Well congrats then. You converted me.
/Seriously tired of all of the bullshiat the M.E. produces.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:31 PM  

johnnyrocket: Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.


Americans are rapidly running out of money to fix their own problems, and in any case atrocities are ignored every day whenever addressing them would be too dangerous or inconvenient (e.g. Darfur). Besides all of that, the US has a way of making things worse whenever it interferes militarily, with only occasional exceptions (such as the first Gulf War, arguably) -- even in WWII they ended up by helping Uncle Joe take over half of Europe.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:34 PM  

GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.

If he's doing this, he's already close to an ass kicking. This is a sign of desperation. The people should free themselves, we just make sure they can.


WOOO-HOOOOO, The Libbies are in charge now!! It's okay! The Obama controls the military now!! It's okay to invade countries now!! Let's go bomb the shiat out of Syria, and turn it into a pile of glass!!

Hypocritical libtards.

/against invading any country without provication.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:53 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

ORLY?

/ya rly.

No, what I mean is it wasn't "in violation of the law"

Well, you're still a dumbass.


So a law that has never been used successfully in a single prosecution and is mainly pulled out as a threat of legal bludgeoning at politically opportune times... was pulled out at a politically opportune time and used as a threat of legal bludgeoning?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-05 09:21:37 PM  
Oh, Motherfarker.
 
2012-12-05 09:22:10 PM  

johncb76006: Muslims killing fellow Muslims in their own country.

I don't see the problem.


+ 1
 
2012-12-05 09:22:26 PM  

Tumunga: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.

If he's doing this, he's already close to an ass kicking. This is a sign of desperation. The people should free themselves, we just make sure they can.

WOOO-HOOOOO, The Libbies are in charge now!! It's okay! The Obama controls the military now!! It's okay to invade countries now!! Let's go bomb the shiat out of Syria, and turn it into a pile of glass!!

Hypocritical libtards.

/against invading any country without provication.


It really is fascinating how some people miss the point so completely.
 
2012-12-05 09:22:26 PM  
Honestly, I don't give a fark which side of the political spectrum you land on..... Using Sarin gas is farking HORRIFIC!!! The agony involved in the dying is farking horrible!
We aren't talking about soldiers who are (or should be) prepared to fight in a chemical environment. We are talking about civilians; men, women and children.
Any "leader" who resorts to this is a psychopath who needs to be taken out real quick fast and in a hurry!

/think of the children!
 
2012-12-05 09:22:31 PM  

Linkster: Popcorn Johnny: Reports are the the USS Eisenhower is sitting of the coast of Syria, ready to strike.

TROLL OR MORON, I pick the Later!


Still waiting for an answer here, did you think that the USS Eisenhower had been decommissioned or that Syria was landlocked? It's okay to admit that you're wrong.
 
2012-12-05 09:22:52 PM  

BigBurrito: Roosevelt had the same problem.pedobearapproved: david_gaithersburg: Obama makes his yellow cake speech in 3.....2.....1

He can't. No matter what the intellegence is he can't make that speech because it'll make him Bush. He has to wait until thousands are dead before he can make that speech. He knows it and Assad knows it. Assad also knows that Obama, in an attempt to not look like Bush, will take this before the UN, where Russia and China will foul up the works. All that will come out of that will be a light punative action.


Obama does not need to make a Bush speech. He is not actively looking for the answer that always equals war. The Bush administration did not like diplomacy. They scuttled diplomatic efforts that had been underway for over a decade because of a righteous belief system. Prior to Iraq getting underway, Hussein had relented, but war was necessary in the eyes of the administration.

Obama has none of that. We are maintaining diplomatic relations, Britain is applying pressure and expect to see Russia doing so as well, with possibly Iran chiming in as well. Assad is about to become very isolated. Hopefully, he realizes his position and relents. The only ones against that would be other monarchies in the ME, they will become very nervous looking at their own ability to hold onto power.



Obama believes in diplomacy. Just ask a Libyan!
 
2012-12-05 09:22:57 PM  

Tumunga: WOOO-HOOOOO, The Libbies are in charge now!! It's okay! The Obama controls the military now!! It's okay to invade countries now!! Let's go bomb the shiat out of Syria, and turn it into a pile of glass!!

Hypocritical libtards.

/against invading any country without provication.


Sorry if we're a little more nuanced than "DUR SADDAM HUSSEIN DONE BLOWED UP THEM BUILDINGS WAR BABY AMERICA FARK YEAH WOOOO!"
 
2012-12-05 09:23:05 PM  

johnnyrocket: Except that it is our problem. We are a member of the world community. Atrocities cannot be ignored.


I think it's some other member of the community's turn. We must have rolled doubles 10 times in a row
 
2012-12-05 09:23:11 PM  

Magorn: need a bigger boom than those can deliver. just blowing up the site risks releasing the chemical agents. This calls for a strike by FAE (fuel air explosives) or a "Daisy cutter" 16,000 lb conventional bomb or a small nuke so you guarantee you cook off the bad shiat at the site in the ensuing inferno


Nerve gas has what's called "persistence". Its how long it lasts after being deployed. Usually less than an hour. This is so friendly troops can take over before the dead guys can be reinforced. Hard to imagine that we would care if the burning rubble of planes spewing nerve gas is killing the very same folks who launched the attack. Also, I think that, for the safety of the people doing the deployment of the gas, that it needs to be proactively mixed immediately prior to use. Perhaps due to its volatility. In that case, blowing up planes on the ground, or in the air, about to deploy, would be harmless.
 
2012-12-05 09:23:34 PM  

MorrisBird: My stomach hurts. Damn, we've turned this world into a cesspool.


120,000 years late but yeah!

smells_like_meat: Damascus, Syria is about 10 minutes airtime from the USS Eisenhower. Slightly longer, not much, from our bases in Iraq, Jordan and Turkey. The power of a carrier group is hard to imagine. If we wanted, his airfields would be cratered and useless in 11 minutes. Any planes in the air would be dark spots on the ground in 12. This is not "USA, USA, USA ITG posturing. Its the reality of our air power.

He can't win. He can't even kill his own people. Unless we let him.


This! This is what needs to happen, yesterday!
 
2012-12-05 09:23:55 PM  

WTF Indeed: JohnAnnArbor: The central point stands: by far, the VAST majority of their stuff was Soviet and French. Saying "we armed Saddam" is about as accurate as "we armed Japan before WWII." We sold Japan a few P-35s, but they made the vast majority of their own stuff.

Look buddy, we gave them arms, satellites, economic ad, and chemical weapons. We armed them. Just because you can't handle that fact doesn't mean I have change the inflection of the word "armed" to suit your need to feel better about whatever the f*ck you want to feel better about.


"Chemical weapons." I saw helicopters on your list (again, new fact, thanks). Helicopters are not chemical weapons. Just sayin'. Your righteous anger changes nothing and means nothing.

/Lots of talk in the '80s about various shady European companies that might have sold Iraq chemical "precursors." Not sure anything definitive came of it.
 
2012-12-05 09:24:10 PM  

Gwendolyn: Doesn't mean we'll use it.


True. Depends.
 
2012-12-05 09:24:32 PM  
I see that ASS-ad portrait is hanging in the appropriate gallery...
Link NSFW!
 
2012-12-05 09:25:13 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Obama believes in diplomacy. Just ask a Libyan!


Obama didn't order military intervention in Libya until it became clear that Gaddafi was going to inflict mass casualties against civilians.
 
2012-12-05 09:25:37 PM  
Oh no, I can hear the rattling from here.
 
2012-12-05 09:26:18 PM  

Mentat: Holocaust Agnostic: Obama believes in diplomacy. Just ask a Libyan!

Obama didn't order military intervention in Libya until it became clear that Gaddafi was going to inflict mass casualties against civilians.


pull the other one.
 
2012-12-05 09:26:33 PM  

Amos Quito: You assume that the information we have been given is accurate.

I assume that there are games afoot, and remain VERY skeptical.


I believe in the sanity of a Democrat White House a lot more than a Republican White House. Most Republican's are certifiably nuts, so I can't really put their failures on anyone else.
 
2012-12-05 09:26:56 PM  

BigBooper: /if he survives he would be a hero to many Muslims
//and be welcome in exile in many Islamic nations



he would not survive Israel's retaliation

and if he did go into exile Israel's hunt would be more like Obama's hunt for Osama and less like Dubya's "hunt" for Osama
 
2012-12-05 09:27:00 PM  

atomic-age: Oznog: Linkster: Oznog: TFA: The nerve agents were locked and loaded inside the bombs. 

OK, I had to look this up. I know what "load" means, but WTF is "lock"??

Apparently the term is made up. Well, it's not a range command and "lock and load" doesn't seem to refer to anything in particular... even loading, apparently.

LOCK refers to locking a magazine, LOAD refers to injecting a round into the breach, Try to keep the fark up! 

Well the phrase is said to originate around the M1 Garand. If you put the clip in but didn't chamber a round, wouldn't you still call it "loaded"? I'd say putting a clip into it makes it pretty darn "loaded", terminology-wise. It's not like you really need to instruct people to put a clip in the weapon before going into combat... at least I hope not.

My dad was drafted for WWII. He said they had a drill instructor who could not pronounce the letter 'L' and instead exhorted them to "Rock and road!"


LOCK the breach open AND LOAD the ammunition.

/freakin idiots
//dunno if I just fed the troll.
 
2012-12-05 09:27:10 PM  

Mentat: Obama didn't order military intervention in Libya until it became clear that Gaddafi was going to inflict mass casualties against civilians


And what happened when the rebels inflicted mass casualties on the other set of civilians?
 
2012-12-05 09:27:30 PM  

Mad_Radhu: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

That could be a lot of fun if the F-22s are actually up and running okay for now. I'm curious to see what they would be like when let off the leash, because an air superiority fighter that you can't see coming is something that should be pants wettingly scary for a military that has to go up against them.

Of course, that is assuming that the F-22 can manage to not asphyxiate its pilot in the process. Last I head it was actually squeezing them to unconsciousness with the G-suits somehow.


tfwiki.net

"Like it's my fault your fleshlings are so weak and squishy."
 
2012-12-05 09:28:31 PM  
Ah, I get it. We're just going to keep changing back and forth from Eurasia to Eastasia. That way the war never stops!!
 
2012-12-05 09:29:00 PM  

kendelrio: Honestly, I don't give a fark which side of the political spectrum you land on..... Using Sarin gas is farking HORRIFIC!!! The agony involved in the dying is farking horrible! We aren't talking about soldiers who are (or should be) prepared to fight in a chemical environment. We are talking about civilians; men, women and children.


I agree it's going to be bloody awful -- the situation already is bloody awful with only the conventional weapons being used so far. I don't think any of us can imagine what it must be like to see our family, friends and neighbours being destroyed with powerful weapons. It's crazy.

That being said -- it's not the "white man's burden" to save every country in the world. There's a noble sentiment behind what you say, but as usual the devil is in the details and for pragmatic reasons alone we should stay well the hell away from anything to do with the Middle East (and yes, this includes you too, Israel -- even if you're not quite so bad as the rest).
 
2012-12-05 09:29:16 PM  

mr lawson: Mentat: Yes, it is. This has the potential to engulf the entire Middle East including several of our allies who may or may not end up on the same side. This isn't the same situation as Iraq.

Nope...Let's try letting them killing off each other for a while. The whole Middle East seem to want war. Fine. Let'em have it.

NOT OUR PROBLEM


Are you that narrow minded that you actually believe every man woman and child in the middle east wants war? Give me a farking break.
 
2012-12-05 09:29:23 PM  

I_Hate_Iowa: JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: cameroncrazy1984: JohnAnnArbor: Nancy Pelosi put on a cute headscarf and did freelance diplomacy (in violation of the law, but who cares about that) in Syria while Bush was in office

No, because that never happened.

ORLY?

/ya rly.

No, what I mean is it wasn't "in violation of the law"

Well, you're still a dumbass.

So a law that has never been used successfully in a single prosecution and is mainly pulled out as a threat of legal bludgeoning at politically opportune times... was pulled out at a politically opportune time and used as a threat of legal bludgeoning?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x445]


You'd be cool with John Boehner going overseas, right now, and negotiating with various important world leaders even if Obama said it wasn't a good idea?

I'd object, and I voted for Romney. (Yes, I'm serious. There needs to be one voice on that kind of stuff. Internal debate on foreign policy is fine and dandy, but going overseas and messing with policy without Presidential approval or at cross-purposes to Presidential policy is way out of bounds. And Barack Obama is the President.)
 
2012-12-05 09:29:26 PM  

MugzyBrown: Mentat: Obama didn't order military intervention in Libya until it became clear that Gaddafi was going to inflict mass casualties against civilians

And what happened when the rebels inflicted mass casualties on the other set of civilians?


or when gadaffi offered a ceasefire ~24 hours after the UN resolution authorizing the use of force to obtain a ceasefire?
 
2012-12-05 09:29:38 PM  

Mentat: Amos Quito: There were a lot of lies leading up to our latest fling in Iraq.

You remember them, don't you?

But I'm sure we can safely believe all that we are told.

Now.

If Assad starts launching chemical weapons, then it's not a hypothetical anymore. That's the standard that President Obama set. We're not talking about invading a country based on imaginary WMD's.



Saddam's WMD's weren't "imaginary" - at least not in our minds, because we were stupid enough to believe the lies.

You really believe that they (or our perpetually paranoid regional "allies") haven't ruled out a "preemptive strike"?

Again I ask, what is the source of this "intelligence"?
 
2012-12-05 09:29:41 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: GAT_00: Repeating myself since this might go green:

U.S. officials stressed that as of now, the sarin bombs hadn't been loaded onto planes and that Assad hadn't issued a final order to use them. But if he does, one of the officials said, "there's little the outside world can do to stop it."

No Fly Zone

Pair that with a visits from Seal Team 6, some Green Berets, and some of fine folks from MI6, and we got ourselves an international ass kicking of a despot.


yeah some major forces from EU and the US will be making a visit soon I do believe.
 
2012-12-05 09:30:21 PM  
look, the guy was raised to be what? a dentist? his back is against the wall and he knows it. He's lost support of the sunni majority and I don't think the christian or druze minorities will want this to happen. unless russia lets him come live in some daika on the black sea he'll do whatever he can so the alawites don't lynch his ass 'cause they're running scared now too 'cause they've been walking around like a formerly oppressed minority suddenly in charge for decades now. at the same time, the Lebanese have all kinds of beefs, as do the iraqis considering how well their refugees were treated during Am