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2003-12-07 01:49:45 PM
That's so sugary sweet it about gags me.

Well, mom, tell us what the other mothers, wives and husbands should do? You know, the ones without megabucks to finance a trip like that, or the ones that can't rely on their husbands reservist card to hitchhike a humvee.

I'd think by the time you hit 75 and your daughter made major, one of the two of you would have figured out how to cut the umbilical cord.
 
2003-12-07 02:58:06 PM
Besides the rant above, this is kind of cool.
 
2003-12-07 03:04:14 PM
I read that last bit as "cobra commander." What would he be doing out there, though?
 
2003-12-07 03:17:31 PM
I'm sorry if you don't like my comment, doccm9

Sure, it was sweet for mom and daughter to have a visit. But what about everyone else who is in Iraq or who has a loved one there? I bet there's a bunch of PFCs who would like mom to bring them some Christmas cookies, or maybe a few wives and children who'd like to see daddy.

Seems to me a major should be willing to make the same sacrifices as the troops. And, that mommy should be told her daughter has been assigned to work, not entertain. Plus the added question of, when and why did the military get involved in Greyline tours?
 
2003-12-07 04:18:05 PM
Oh but FoxNews says the war in Iraq is over, Eat More Possum. So it's not like she's going into a combat zone. That's just liberal hysteria.

So if she's got a military ID, I guess she gets on the plane.

I fully intend to visit Iraq next year when my brother-in-law is stationed there. He flies Hueys for the Marines, which I guess is important for rebuilding.
 
2003-12-07 04:20:59 PM
I agree with you on that point and it sucks, but this mother could do it, so she did. We can all thank Bush's administration for placing everybody there with no real plan what so ever about when the troops will actually get to go home. Typical "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality that is normally found in your common drug addicted criminal. Bunch of hypocrites.
 
2003-12-07 04:45:11 PM
Point the first: If you're not in the military, have never been in the military, and don't know how the military operates, then you should leave the comments about what people who are in the military do to them. Ignorant opinions like yours only fall under the protection of free speech because the focus of your ignorance, the military, dies to maintain that freedom. Be grateful, or be quiet.

Point the second: Fox News and the Bush administration are not responsible for your hard feelings. You are. If you voted against the latter, then you lost, deal with it. If you didn't vote, stuff it, silence gives consent. If you watch the former, then change the channel if you don't like what you see. The news networks have always held selling more news as their purpose. If you don't believe that, you're again showing ignorance.

Point the third: Older people tend to have amassed enough wealth to make trips like this. They've got a measure of freedom that younger families with at-home children just don't have. So the PFCs aren't trying to shuttle their wives, husbands, and kids over to Iraq. They have more to lose bringing their families to Iraq than the elderly mother does in going herself. That's just common sense.

Conclusion: Quit whining, get on with your lives, there's nothing to see here.
 
2003-12-07 04:49:33 PM
Stop whining about whiners, whiner.
 
2003-12-07 04:51:52 PM
It wasn't spiffy, it was dumb. Civilians should stay out of battle zones until they are pacified, she could have waited until her daughter came home on leave.
 
2003-12-07 04:52:07 PM
I started to read this article but noticed the TV-movie is already on...
 
2003-12-07 04:55:48 PM
Point the first: If you're not in the military, have never been in the military, and don't know how the military operates, then you should leave the comments about what people who are in the military do to them. Ignorant opinions like yours only fall under the protection of free speech because the focus of your ignorance, the military, dies to maintain that freedom. Be grateful, or be quiet.

Woah, woah... the military dies to protect free speech?

I don't see the connection.
 
2003-12-07 04:58:31 PM
Soldier: Your Mamma wears combat boots!

Soldier 2: (frowning) I know...
 
2003-12-07 05:02:20 PM
BY THE WAY, QUICK UPDATE:

I am getting sick and tired of all this griping about how Bush "stole" the election; I personally do not agree with the man 100%, but he did no such thing.

FACT: Victory goes to the one who gets the most electoral votes, not the most popular votes; that is stipulated in the Constitution.

FACT: It is entirely possible to lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote; it happened in 1872, and if you count all the vote-stealing in Chicago, probably happened again in 1960.

FACT: Our electoral system is rigged to give a slight edge to the smaller States; that too is in the Constitution. Alaska with less than a million people, gets 3 votes; California, with 56 times the population, has only 18 times as many electoral votes.

FACT: There was a lot of vote-stealing, especially in California where illegal aliens are routinely told they MUST register and vote if they want to ever gain citizenaship and if you discount the stolen votes, Bush might have won the popular vote as well.

So there you have it:

1. There was an election;
2. Your candidate lost;
3. Get over it.
 
2003-12-07 05:04:45 PM
How did the election come into play here?
 
2003-12-07 05:04:50 PM
Could have used the tag.
 
2003-12-07 05:06:27 PM
If ever there was a convo that needed to be attacked, the one that stupid mother was on is it.
 
2003-12-07 05:06:50 PM
But it's not a battle zone.

FoxNews says the liberal media is only saying it is a battle zone but really things are going great in Iraq.
 
2003-12-07 05:07:34 PM
Commaaaaaander, your mom is here.
 
2003-12-07 05:07:43 PM
The military is always manufacturing drama. They'd like to say they were in Iraq to feed starving babies or whatever, but its just to pump off someone elses oil, and thats a damn shame.

We could bring everyone home in a few months and then everyone can have a backyard barbeque, if thats "epic" enough for them.
 
2003-12-07 05:09:43 PM
If you're not in the military, have never been in the military, and don't know how the military operates, then you should leave the comments about what people who are in the military do to them.

Because the military should run unhindered by the general public? Remind me which of our founding fathers advocated a military dictatorship.
 
2003-12-07 05:10:54 PM
Where's the Hero tag? :D I don't see what people are complaining about, it is no longer a combat zone because Bush claims the WAR IS OVER. Obiviously it's not with more people now dying than when the war was going but that's another thing to whine about some other time.

Since this thread seems to be causing some anger, I'll be handing out my Bobangry patented 'Chill Pills'. Take two and call me in the morning.
 
2003-12-07 05:11:54 PM
If you're not in the military, have never been in the military, and don't know how the military operates, then you should leave the comments about what people who are in the military do to them.

As an active duty officer in the military, I think that is the biggest load of shiat I've ever heard. People are free to comment on whatever they like. It's when they try to start telling you how it is when they have no experience that it crosses the line.
 
2003-12-07 05:17:22 PM
olddinosaur You're absolutely right, Bush did not steal the election. His dad co-signed a note for him and now he's busy repaying it. It seems most of the lenders have been satisfied enough with the repayment plan to extend his credit for another election.
 
2003-12-07 05:18:44 PM
Those were some fairly good points made by squirrelfury and olddinosaur

I especially agree with this one "If you watch the former, then change the channel if you don't like what you see. The news networks have always held selling more news as their purpose."
Honestly, if you want to have an informed opinion about anything, try seeing reports on that something from different news outlets, of different extremes and modernity. Then you can take the time to unbiasely digest what you heard, saw, read, analyzing it from several vantage points and short term and long term views.
 
2003-12-07 05:22:05 PM
I hope she didn't lick her hand and smooth his hair over in front of the guys.
 
2003-12-07 05:23:16 PM
kabar, where you at? I'm just outside Tikrit. I love it when people who have no clue about the life make stupid comments about it.
 
2003-12-07 05:24:34 PM
ALL HAIL CHAIRMAN BUSH!!!!!

IN THE DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WE TRUST!!!!

CONFORM, CONSUME, OBEY!
 
2003-12-07 05:25:14 PM
sfotw
stateside (TX). blah.
wish i was over there.
stay safe.
 
2003-12-07 05:25:33 PM
Ignorant opinions like yours only fall under the protection of free speech because the focus of your ignorance, the military, dies to maintain that freedom. Be grateful, or be quiet.

But it is freedom of speech, and so many other rights, that these military personnel die for. It would not be free speech if someone is not allowed to critize, even "insult ingnorantly", these very men and women. That is some of the price one must pay in having freedom of speech. Freedom costs so much.

Vidisqve.
 
2003-12-07 05:26:30 PM
2003-12-07 05:23:16 PM scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel
kabar, where you at? I'm just outside Tikrit.


I'm gonna go visit fetus!
 
2003-12-07 05:29:29 PM
Outside of Tikrit?

Keep your head down man.
 
OZZ
2003-12-07 05:29:58 PM
A female company commander? AHAHAHAHAHAHA

No wonder the US will be stuck in Iraq for the next 50 years.

Real intimidating
 
2003-12-07 05:32:12 PM
Point the first: If you're not in the military, have never been in the military, and don't know how the military operates, then you should leave the comments about what people who are in the military do to them.

damn, squirrelfury, what are you... 4 years old?

i'll comment on whatever i feel like without getting your permission first. mmmmkay?
 
2003-12-07 05:32:48 PM
I think it's great that this mother is supportive of her daughter's military career. I've heard of too many parents whose kids work to send themselves to college on an ROTC scholarship who whine that "now the military will just send you off to die." It's an important thing for people to do, and rest assured, if the military weren't there, you'd be a whole lot more pissed.

By the way, for those of you who apparently did not read the headline in its entirety and who make many assumptions... this mom went to visit her DAUGHTER. FEMALE. I would just also like to point out that it's nice to finally see some media recognition (no matter how small) of the women in the military -- other than Jessica Lynch, there hasn't been much. Most of the family-back-home sob stories involve men.

/my mommy wore combat boots in the first Gulf War
 
2003-12-07 05:35:14 PM
this bears repeating:

So there you have it:

1. There was an election;
2. Your candidate lost;
3. Get over it.
 
2003-12-07 05:35:23 PM
OZZ

What's wrong with a female CO? I served under two of them, and they were both outstanding officers.
 
2003-12-07 05:41:58 PM
I could use a visit Feffer.
 
2003-12-07 05:43:58 PM
Hey SFOTW is there anyway we could send you over some things you need from back home? Can't do much myself but maybe some of us could help support a fellow farker.
 
2003-12-07 05:44:18 PM
[rant]
Located in REMF country in Kuwait, myself...doing a mission they dug up out of nowhere that any trained monkey could do, and should be being donw by the (Haliburton subsidiary) KBR contractors they are paying to do it. Should have gone home 6 months ago when they brought in KBR - but between our crappy commander and the crappy battalion commander who both wanted to get more "wartime" command time under their respective belts, and the DOD's one-size-fits-all blind "12 months boots on the ground" policy, we still have about 4 months over here.
[/rant]

Whew! Regarding the story - glad this company commander's mother could afford and was willing to make the trip. I do think, however, she should have told momma to stay home and finally cut the umbilical cord (as someone above has already said).
 
2003-12-07 05:49:51 PM
Thanks CougarJeff, I appreciate the offer. I guess the thing we all need over here is good luck.

Grenwulf, sitting at the other end of the supply chain, I am of the firm opinion that KBR is ass. Stinky, unwashed, sweaty, diseased ass.
 
2003-12-07 05:52:48 PM
Be safe Fetus!

No matter what some idiots say, most of us are really proud of yall over there!
 
2003-12-07 05:53:22 PM
REMF > Rear Echelon Mother farker > not front line troops.
 
2003-12-07 05:55:38 PM
Why are people getting their underwear in a bunch over this story? the mother is a journalist, the daughter is a Public affairs officer. Did y'all get mad when the father of a marine that died came over here to visit the spot where his son was killed?
Would I enjoy a visit from my mommy? Damn sure would.
Maybe those of you that can should drop by your parents and just say hi. They might appreciate it.
 
2003-12-07 05:58:39 PM
[my .02]
While it's nice that she was able to make it over there, I'm not really in agreement that it was the best thing for the company. Regardless of the reality of the situation, it will be viewed as "oh, the CO can have her family come visit, but I'm not important enough, fark that" by the enlisted personnel. Perception is reality in the military, and I'm not sure the CO made the wisest decision in allowing her mother to come visit her, so blah. Personal comfort is low on the priority list of a leader. Yes, the mother did this on her own accord, but her daughter should have thought about the likely reprecussions more, and yes, cut the farkin cord lady. You're daughter is a professional.
[/my .02]

Hopefully she brought a lot of stuff for the member's of her company and news from home to help them out. If not, fark her and her selfishness.
 
2003-12-07 05:59:29 PM
2003-12-07 05:35:23 PM HowlingFrog


OZZ

I served under two of them, and they were both outstanding officers.


You forgot to add "in bed"
 
2003-12-07 06:01:45 PM
I agree, SFOTW...LOL. TCN = Talcum, Cologne Needed ? (For those who don't know, a lot of the contracting jobs over here are done by Third-Country Nationals, from Egypt, Pakistan, India, etc. working for the American company KBR. And they need to bathe.)

Anyway, most of us supply guys are redundant over here with KBR in place. If our lazy-ass Chain of command had gotten us out of here when they should have (before the 12 month policy was formulated), I would be home right now. They actually had us checking IDs and searching vehicles at Camp Wolf (mentioned in the article) before they found a pseudo-supply job for us to do. We are a theater-level supply unit. In other words, we are trained to run forklifts and move supplies. Yes, every soldier has basic guard skills from basic training, but they wouldn't need so many people doing the guard duty if they would send some of us home.
 
2003-12-07 06:02:47 PM
First words of the mother, on seeing her child:

"Hold on sweetie, you've got a little dirt right here (p-tooie) let me get that for you."
 
2003-12-07 06:07:27 PM
Smookyfufu
You forgot to add "in bed"

Contrary to JAG, not all females in the military are hot and single. Sadly.
 
2003-12-07 06:10:37 PM
I just want to say that as a former Marine Sgt, I agree with Kabar 100%. I would say something myself but you hit the nail on the head brother.
 
2003-12-07 06:15:14 PM
Women are allowed to be officers? Since when?

/ducks
 
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