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(Entertainment Weekly)   First look at Harrison Ford and Ender in "Ender's Game"   (insidemovies.ew.com) divider line 47
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2012-12-06 12:39:00 AM  
4 votes:
meh, card wrote his universe into the ground. and since it turns out he's a biggoted and insane jackwagon in real life, i wont be giving him any money by watching hollywood screw up this movie
2012-12-06 01:05:50 AM  
3 votes:

tlchwi02: meh, card wrote his universe into the ground. and since it turns out he's a biggoted and insane jackwagon in real life, i wont be giving him any money by watching hollywood screw up this movie


This.

The first one ruled, the second one...ok, third...meh. After that they just get stupid.
Plus Card is a nutcase and went public about being nuts. Sorta killed it for me.
2012-12-05 10:29:51 PM  
3 votes:
I've never thought that book would adapt well to a movie... I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes going in to it. I've read the book probably at least two hundred times, and of all the books in the 'Enderverse', I think it would be the toughest to bring to life.
2012-12-06 07:28:14 AM  
2 votes:

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


There really is an XKCD for everything.

imgs.xkcd.com

My advice is to read it for itself, and ignore everyone who says it's the greatest thing since sliced bread (and don't listen to anyone who is prejudiced against the author for the author's personal views, either). It is definitely dated -- like Snow Crash, the world it portrays is not 'new' and fresh anymore but old hat and maybe even done to death by others who came after -- but there are some very important lessons in the book regarding war, leadership, how to govern, and xenophobia.
2012-12-06 01:09:35 AM  
2 votes:

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


Read it, then STOP! It's like the Matrix, and the sequels that don't exist.
2012-12-05 11:55:08 PM  
2 votes:
Ender, *puts on sunglasses* shot first and ended it. YEEAAHHH!!

/DNRTFA
2012-12-05 11:51:30 PM  
2 votes:

dugitman: The Onion is prophetic: I've never thought that book would adapt well to a movie... I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes going in to it. I've read the book probably at least two hundred times, and of all the books in the 'Enderverse', I think it would be the toughest to bring to life.

Really? The first book(my favorite scifi book fwiw) is not an overly complicated story. I've always thought it would be a great movie.


I think the problem I have with a movie is that it's a very straightforward story, but that's not good enough for anyone in Hollywood, so they're going to add in a bunch of crap... I wouldn't doubt if they tried to do some stupid love story between Ender and Petra. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but knowing what Hollywood does to things, I'm betting they're going to fark it all up.
2012-12-07 01:46:09 AM  
1 votes:

RogermcAllen: I think a Pixar 3-D style would be cheesy.


Of course a Pixar one would be cheesy.

Almost cartoon kid gloves of Pixar =/= Entirety of what's possible with 3D rendering.

Take Final Fantasy, then forget it, that was a while back.........Beowulf was damn good in my opinion. the technology has come a long ways since Shrek and Monsters Inc.

I don't think anime/cartoons would do the story justice. It's fine for some more shallow works, but you lose a lot of nuance with simple pen and ink drawings. Sure, there are tricks to get around some of that, and some may have an infatuation with the stylized animations(bronies anyone). But as an art form, it's extremely limited.
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-06 08:17:12 PM  
1 votes:

Eddie Ate Dynamite: natmar_76: Nice. They nailed the set and costume design. It fits the book and what I imagined, tbqh.

I concur. Also, which way is the enemy base?


The enemy's gate is down.

airsupport: The Viewer's Expectations are DOWN!


*golf clap*
2012-12-06 05:33:26 PM  
1 votes:

sabreWulf07: StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.

I thought that tattoo was Diamond Age? Or maybe I'm thinking of the gun implanted into the forehead. Regardless, Snow Crash would make a great movie with a right screenplay. Just seeing a nuclear-powered gatling gun in action would be worth the price of the ticket.


The Poor Impulse Control tattoo was in Snow Crash - it belonged to Raven, the Eskimo riding around California on a motorcycle with a hydrogen bomb rigged to go off upon his death. Uncle Enzo fights him at the end of the book, and Hiro Protagonist deals with him on the Interwebs.
mhd
2012-12-06 03:39:34 PM  
1 votes:

Gilligann: He never even wanted to fight, but when he's forced into a fight he always made sure to inflict enough damage so he would never fight that person again.


And we are constantly assured that Ender killing other boys is out of the best reasons, purely rational, and that he is the victim. And as he didn't know of the fatal consequences of this (and, arguably, didn't intend them), he's innocent.

Intention is everything. Good people can't do bad things. And Ender, was we're told over and over again, is good. Honestly, I thought the Dresden novels were exercises in a self-pitying hero, but OSC basically has only this one theme in the book. So there we've got the hero who kills a small boy by kicking him in the nads, and all that the book focuses on is Ender's suffering.

For a Mary Sue story, it's better written than My Immortal, I give it that...
2012-12-06 03:15:37 PM  
1 votes:
Bringing to life those "complicated" emotions was made easier by the fact that the recruits in the film are a bit older than the Launchies

A BIT older? They're, like, twice the age! I know it would be extremely hard to produce the film with an age appropriate cast, but it takes away a LOT from the story. It was a big deal for a number of reasons. It speaks more highly of Ender's abilities that he's able to do what he does at such a young age. It adds poignancy to the fact that he's leaving his family. His age sets the stage for a lot of the emotional journey he undergoes...

Despite that change, Hood wants fans of the novel to know that he holds Ender's Game, the book, in high esteem. (We already know he maintained the emotion-monitoring chip on the back of Ender's neck.)

That wasn't an emotion monitoring chip... What does it say about you when you claim you hold the book in high esteem and then proceed to get something like that wrong? The chip allowed the government to literally monitor everything going on in his life. It let them see what he saw, hear what he heard, etc.

If these are the kinds of things they can't get right, really basic concepts, it makes me wonder what else they'll fark up. Will Ender kill Bonzo in the shower or are they going to water that down for the general masses? Maybe he should just beat him up and Bonzo will be washed out. Are we going to get to know exactly how evil Peter is? Do we get to see him vivisecting animals in the woods? Or will he just be a bully of a footnote in Ender's life?
2012-12-06 02:56:51 PM  
1 votes:

DeltaPunch:
The idea was that to defeat an enemy intellectually regardless of skill or power, you have to KNOW your enemy. You have to know them so well that you need to be able to understand their desires, hopes, perspectives, values and dreams. You need to know them as they know themselves. But when you can empathize that well with another, you will also love them as they love themselves. Then and only then can you destroy them regardless of power. A moderate chess player can study a much better opponent and learn their strategies and tendencies to a point where they can beat them from a lesser kill level. You play the opponent not the game.

That's a good analysis, thanks.


I think i kinda paraphrased Ender's own words from when he was convalescing with Val back on Earth. My own analysis would be much less pithy.

/Super smart boy does well in school then plays some video games eventually gets to fly a helicopter so he writes a book about his brother.
2012-12-06 02:52:26 PM  
1 votes:

akula: Hollywood just can't pull off the "young children as murderers/even just having the capacity for tremendous violence.".


I remember the 'training' montage from 300. That kid pulled off kicking ass in order to survive quite well.
2012-12-06 02:47:12 PM  
1 votes:
meh
2012-12-06 02:43:07 PM  
1 votes:

DeltaPunch: mhd: /It's Twilight for bullied nerds

I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm. Something about the way Ender constantly fights back... he gets picked on and ALWAYS retaliates, smashes the other guy's nose, etc. There's no subtlety at all in this philosophy... complete catharsis for nerds, or anyone afraid of bullies. Card seems like the type of guy who's "got mah gun and ain't afraid to use it."


No, Ender never retaliated. He never even wanted to fight, but when he's forced into a fight he always made sure to inflict enough damage so he would never fight that person again.
2012-12-06 01:19:17 PM  
1 votes:

Night Night Cream Puff: Just read Ender's Game a few weeks ago. Disappointed to see that Hollywood went the safe route and used older kids. I understand why they did it, but I think seeing kids of equivalent ages to the book would have been more disturbing. Which is sort of the point. The book was okay, if not predicatble, but is worth the read. I probably would have loved the book if I read it back in junior high.


I agree. The audience is supposed to be disturbed that society took very young children and turned them into weapons. And I'm not sure Ender's sense of isolation is going to come across in an older kid who only spends maybe a year away from home.
2012-12-06 12:32:44 PM  
1 votes:
www.dvdtalk.com

All of you meat-bags can bite my shiny metal ass!
2012-12-06 10:32:31 AM  
1 votes:

Digitalstrange:

Ford should have been Mazer, not Graff


Yes, because when I think half-Maori New Zealander, I think Harrison Ford. Kingsley's a much better choice, and he's somewhat short, though not short enough.
2012-12-06 09:44:09 AM  
1 votes:
I dont see Bean anywhere, hes 3 feet tall and the smartest farker in the universe which is something they absolutely are incapable of showing on the big screen. Intelligent characters translate horribly in film and hollywood knows Americans are too stupid to relate to any intelligent character let alone a child genius. This is going to be pg-13 bullshiat "NOW THIS IS PODRACING!" levels of fark you to the readers.

If you spend money on this movie then you are the problem with America, god damn you.

/NOW THIS IS BATTLE SIMULATION WEEEEE!!!
2012-12-06 09:35:51 AM  
1 votes:

Tax Boy: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

Then forget it.

Much like The Catcher in the Rye, it's Amazing and Profound and Just Like Me when your read it at age 14.

If you read it as an adult it's like WTF is this shiat? I can't believe people think this is a Great Book.


It is a fun adventure story.
2012-12-06 09:29:30 AM  
1 votes:
Have to agree, compressing the story into one year to save having to find more than one kid for the part is probably a mistake. Movies from science fiction books are always disappointing. No director can resist pissing on the script, unless contractually bound to stay zipped.
2012-12-06 09:16:40 AM  
1 votes:

SockMonkeyHolocaust: omeganuepsilon: Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.

It was his sister and older brother and they essentially became highly respected wikipedia authors under the names Locke and Demosthenes.

And that was the time I stopped reading the series because yeah: internet.


The book was written in the 80s, most people couldn't even realize during that time just how pervasive and big the internet was going to be, it seems ridiculous today, but taken in context of when it was written I think it is somewhat visionary. Not that it didn't have its issues that I even saw when reading it as an adolescent, but that part shouldn't have stopped you from reading it.

I see why they did the age thing, it is easier to find good child actors at that age then a bunch of 6 years old, I don't think they could pull of making them look smart when they still get shiat on their fingers from wiping their butt(book paraphrase).

I did like Ender's Shadow and there were some aspects of the Bean Series to enjoy if you could get past some of the commentary he inserted in the book.

The one that annoyed me most I think was when Bean and Ender's Mom were talking about indoctrination and basically says that liberals use universities to indoctrinate. Yeah, sorry the world with facts in it have a liberal bias.
2012-12-06 09:16:29 AM  
1 votes:
The Viewer's Expectations are DOWN!
2012-12-06 09:00:50 AM  
1 votes:
I got worn out on the Shadow books, Bean started annoying me. But I will say that the ending of Ender's Shadow really made me dislike Ender more than I already did.

Ender gives the order and then breaks down, but it was Bean who did what needed to be done and won the war.

I think they should film Ender's Shadow at the same time.

And I agree with Digitalstrange that Ford should have been Mazer Rackham.
2012-12-06 08:58:31 AM  
1 votes:
Personally I am already working on convincing myself that this isn't going to be Ender's Game, just a story like it. I'd like to hope it ends up like Starship Troopers or the Crow. Both of which I hated initially because they farked up the book but came to appreciate later as stories in their own right.
2012-12-06 08:54:43 AM  
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.

Like 'Ender's Game', Snow Crash is dated. Like 'Logan's Run' dated. Snow Crash is a lot more fun than Ender's Game, though.


Snow Crash is really dated. Would have been perfect if it were done in the early-mid 90s before Google Earth and the rise of the Internet as it is now. Most of the technology he envisioned already exists for the most part.
2012-12-06 08:47:26 AM  
1 votes:

BalugaJoe: another movie about kids killing each other like Hunger Games?


Ironically that will be a common misperception. It's why Neuromancer would be hard to bring to film now. People would bash it as being a Matrix clone even though it came way before and in fact was at least to some degree an influence on the film people think it's now copying.
2012-12-06 08:39:29 AM  
1 votes:

DaCricket: I'm gonna have a hard time with this.  The whole thing about Ender was his age.  I mean he's 6 years old the first time he kills for crying out loud.


Do you think something like that is realistic to shoot for a movie? Parents would lynch the studio.
2012-12-06 08:37:16 AM  
1 votes:
Nailed it? They already screwed it up you mean. Graff staring down Ender in the bunkroom? Adults barely had any physical presence in battle school, that was part of it's point. The smarter kids always realized the adults were still manipulating everything but they pretty much stayed out of it.

Ford should have been Mazer, not Graff
2012-12-06 08:10:15 AM  
1 votes:
another movie about kids killing each other like Hunger Games?
2012-12-06 08:07:28 AM  
1 votes:
I'm gonna have a hard time with this.  The whole thing about Ender was his age.  I mean he's 6 years old the first time he kills for crying out loud. 
 
Guess were just gonna have to wait and see...
2012-12-06 05:37:54 AM  
1 votes:
Those are the two I was thinking of. Christmas story was a bit cheesy in many places, good in others.

Thing is, I don't think ultra-violence like lord of the flies would be do-able in this social climate(been a while since I've read Enders, but If i recall, there was a good amount of it. That's part of what I was on about. Studio won't put it out because people "might" take issue with it. My bet is that it will be more Disney and Nickelodeon than any actual fan of the book would care to see(we'll see it anyhow, but still).
2012-12-06 04:24:28 AM  
1 votes:
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I hope the Battle Room scenes resemble Dead Space.
2012-12-06 04:09:25 AM  
1 votes:

LDM90: Is it a "you have to read it when you're young to get it" kind of thing? I was about 30 when I finally read it and I didn't see what the big deal was. Mostly I couldn't figure out why if he was going to write a book about kids who talk and act like adults, why not just make them adults?


You know how Atlas Shrugged is only enjoyed by adult intellectual elitists? Ender's Game is like that, but for prepubescent gifted & talented program students.
2012-12-06 04:07:15 AM  
1 votes:
When I read a book. I only read it for the story. I really don't care about the author's political and or religious background. All I care if the novel/short story is a good read.

/There is always the library if you don't want to spend you money on a much hated author.
2012-12-06 04:05:27 AM  
1 votes:
As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.
2012-12-06 03:57:16 AM  
1 votes:
Is it a "you have to read it when you're young to get it" kind of thing? I was about 30 when I finally read it and I didn't see what the big deal was. Mostly I couldn't figure out why if he was going to write a book about kids who talk and act like adults, why not just make them adults?
2012-12-06 03:51:16 AM  
1 votes:
Am I the only one that's disappointed that the people who worked on the live action Halo stuff weren't involved? Because they were fairly good at bringing that stuff to life without needing insane amounts of CGI.

/this looks like a meh movie
2012-12-06 03:14:13 AM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.


Ender's Game was the first Card book I read. I liked it so much I ran out to find more of his stuff and wound up with the Homecoming (or whatever its called) series. Jesus Christ I wanted to like those books, really I did. There were some interesting ideas there. But it was just so preachy and long winded and it just felt off somehow. Years later I find out he was Mormon and it all made sense.
2012-12-06 03:10:04 AM  
1 votes:
I only ever read Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead.

Then someone told me that the Homecoming series was good.

It wasn't.

And after finishing Homecoming, I suspect Orson Scott Card might be a lunatic, and I think I have a severe prejudice against mormons. What a shiatty series.
2012-12-06 02:23:50 AM  
1 votes:
I've always wanted to bang Val.

/also Jane
//these kids are too farking old
///thought i'd be in before the card hate
2012-12-06 01:43:33 AM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.


Ender's Game is far and away the best. That and the parallel story from a different character's pov Ender's Shadow were the only two books of his I've ever made it through and even the latter was a bit of a struggle. I'd recommend spending a dollar or two for it at the used store. Card is a complete loon these days so I'm not sure what I'll do about the movie yet. With a book you're pretty much just supporting the author and the editor, but with a movie there's so many other people worthy of support.
2012-12-06 01:27:55 AM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.


In all seriousness when a person is pretty... "eccentric", to put it nicely, they are also potentially very creative. Has something to do with their personality type. You'll notice all the greatest authors and creative types have the same personality type. Think about it. You'd have to be pretty imaginative and creative to come up with some of the real life eccentricities they hold.
2012-12-06 01:19:54 AM  
1 votes:

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.
2012-12-06 01:18:53 AM  
1 votes:
pleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuck


Despite that change, Hood wants fans of the novel to know that he holds Ender's Game, the book, in high esteem. (We already know he maintained the emotion-monitoring chip on the back of Ender's neck.) "I am a fan," he says, "and I have had a desire to do this and have been working on this now for nearly four years."


Am I the only one that is amazed that a hollywood director is literate enough to hold a book in high esteem?
2012-12-06 12:59:34 AM  
1 votes:
That's Ender?

www.sectalk.com

/but seriously, I'm excited.
 
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