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2012-12-06 05:05:38 AM  

LDM90: Is it a "you have to read it when you're young to get it" kind of thing? I was about 30 when I finally read it and I didn't see what the big deal was


Me neither. It was boring and predictable. Maybe the hype ruined it for me.
 
2012-12-06 05:15:40 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I hope the child actors can have the range required to carry the story. Ben Kingsley and Harrison Ford will no doubt execute well.

/looking forward with guarded optimism.


Isn't there a naked fight in the shower or something(could be thinking of a different book, ready many sci-fi boot camp type books, cyberpunk, starship troopers)? That won't make it. Even if they're clothed, kids beating eachother bloody wouldn't make it. If it does, it won't be believable at all. Very difficult to get kids to do that well.

And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.

I'm also concerned about the no gravity war games. I'd almost wager it's them playing laser tag on foot, or shoddy CG like some of Neo's fighting in the later Matrix movies.
 
2012-12-06 05:26:59 AM  

omeganuepsilon: And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.


While this can be true, I think the right director can go a long way. I've seen some pretty good child actors, or at least they were believable in the role they were cast for. It's been a while since I've seen it, but it seems like Lord of the Flies was pretty good acting-wise. At least I don't remember thinking to myself "Wow, this is horrible acting." Which I'm prone to do even with a lot of adult actors. Especially if I smoke up before hand. Not sure why that is, but I digress. Also all the kids in A Christmas Story did a pretty good job.
 
2012-12-06 05:37:54 AM  
Those are the two I was thinking of. Christmas story was a bit cheesy in many places, good in others.

Thing is, I don't think ultra-violence like lord of the flies would be do-able in this social climate(been a while since I've read Enders, but If i recall, there was a good amount of it. That's part of what I was on about. Studio won't put it out because people "might" take issue with it. My bet is that it will be more Disney and Nickelodeon than any actual fan of the book would care to see(we'll see it anyhow, but still).
 
2012-12-06 05:51:20 AM  
Before I shut down for the night, I wanted to comment on detractors of the later Ender books.

Bean's story was pretty damned good, just lost some luster due to it being parallel to Enders Game.

All sci-fi tends to get sort of weird if a series is stretched out. I seem to recall a few neat things among the fantasy.

Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.
 
2012-12-06 06:14:52 AM  
The problem I have with Ender's Game is that the plot twist is visible a mile away. I mean it's M Night Shamalan territory.

Not a bad book by any means but nothing revolutionary.
 
2012-12-06 06:25:36 AM  

mhd: /It's Twilight for bullied nerds


I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm. Something about the way Ender constantly fights back... he gets picked on and ALWAYS retaliates, smashes the other guy's nose, etc. There's no subtlety at all in this philosophy... complete catharsis for nerds, or anyone afraid of bullies. Card seems like the type of guy who's "got mah gun and ain't afraid to use it."
 
2012-12-06 06:44:41 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.


It was his sister and older brother and they essentially became highly respected wikipedia authors under the names Locke and Demosthenes.

And that was the time I stopped reading the series because yeah: internet.
 
mhd
2012-12-06 06:46:31 AM  

DeltaPunch: I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm.


If I remember correctly, OSC is pro gun-control, so I wouldn't bet on that.
 
2012-12-06 06:54:23 AM  

Saiga410: pleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuck


Despite that change, Hood wants fans of the novel to know that he holds Ender's Game, the book, in high esteem. (We already know he maintained the emotion-monitoring chip on the back of Ender's neck.) "I am a fan," he says, "and I have had a desire to do this and have been working on this now for nearly four years."

Am I the only one that is amazed that a hollywood director is literate enough to hold a book in high esteem?


High Esteem, CA population 234,000
 
2012-12-06 06:56:03 AM  
Nice, Love the Ender Series, hater's be damned. Looks like they got the set look of the Battle School down, could potentially be really good.

"...director Gavin Hood (Tsotsi, X-Men Origins: Wolverine)...."

....fark. Well at least there will a humorous scene where Ender accidentally destroys a bathroom in Zero-G with his target laser.
 
2012-12-06 06:58:19 AM  

12349876: Ender's Game is far and away the best


No, Songmaster is. Just one book, story of one man's entire life.
It stands on it's own.
I used to read a lot of Card's books, but I got wore out on the Alvin Maker series and that is around the
time he start bloviating about his right wing views and I quit reading his work.
Like Nugent, his views have poisoned his body of work.
 
2012-12-06 07:13:03 AM  
While Ender's Game is a kickass story, the sequel books had me shaking my head is disbelief. Really soured the whole deal for me.

I will likely go see this if the Tomatometer/Metacritic score pegs anywhere above 65%. The "secret twist" in the book blew me away, I'd love to see the thing realized on screen.
 
2012-12-06 07:16:44 AM  
Card has some pretty unsettling political views but I don't let his lack of respect for the 2nd amendment disturb my enjoyment of his good books. (Homecoming sucked)
 
2012-12-06 07:25:11 AM  

StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.


Like 'Ender's Game', Snow Crash is dated. Like 'Logan's Run' dated. Snow Crash is a lot more fun than Ender's Game, though.
 
2012-12-06 07:28:14 AM  

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


There really is an XKCD for everything.

imgs.xkcd.com

My advice is to read it for itself, and ignore everyone who says it's the greatest thing since sliced bread (and don't listen to anyone who is prejudiced against the author for the author's personal views, either). It is definitely dated -- like Snow Crash, the world it portrays is not 'new' and fresh anymore but old hat and maybe even done to death by others who came after -- but there are some very important lessons in the book regarding war, leadership, how to govern, and xenophobia.
 
2012-12-06 07:30:14 AM  
Just read Ender's Game a few weeks ago. Disappointed to see that Hollywood went the safe route and used older kids. I understand why they did it, but I think seeing kids of equivalent ages to the book would have been more disturbing. Which is sort of the point. The book was okay, if not predicatble, but is worth the read. I probably would have loved the book if I read it back in junior high.
 
2012-12-06 07:30:42 AM  
I have found innumerable books to read thanks to Farkers, some of my favorite threads on here are book threads, but there is something about OSC that keeps me away from this book.
 
2012-12-06 07:35:04 AM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: omeganuepsilon: And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.

While this can be true, I think the right director can go a long way. I've seen some pretty good child actors, or at least they were believable in the role they were cast for. It's been a while since I've seen it, but it seems like Lord of the Flies was pretty good acting-wise. At least I don't remember thinking to myself "Wow, this is horrible acting." Which I'm prone to do even with a lot of adult actors. Especially if I smoke up before hand. Not sure why that is, but I digress. Also all the kids in A Christmas Story did a pretty good job.


What about Bugsy Malone?

On another note, I liked Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but the rest were tedious. I hope they can get the violence right. That was one of the shocking things of the books. Smart kids being brutal. I think that is why the actors are all older, so that they can be convincing as calculating killers.
 
2012-12-06 07:36:10 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Before I shut down for the night, I wanted to comment on detractors of the later Ender books.

Bean's story was pretty damned good, just lost some luster due to it being parallel to Enders Game.

All sci-fi tends to get sort of weird if a series is stretched out. I seem to recall a few neat things among the fantasy.

Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.


Nah, it was Valentine and Peter. and the thing about Valentine and Peter was that they were listened to, and nobody knew that they were *that* young, yet were taking advice from them. If I remember correctly, which I may not.

And then the end happened, and I felt bad about what happened to the kids, age-wise, but that seemed a much more realistic rendering of what happens when relativity comes into play across light years. I appreciated that touch, even as I felt sorry for the characters.

If Ender's kids did the same thing in later books, I don't know about it, cuz I didn't read the other books. Tried to get into the series with all the Russian names, and it was alright but was too difficult to follow. Tried to also get into the 7th Son of a 7th Son series, but it didn't grab me the way I wanted an alternative history to grab me... now that I know that Orson is a Mormon, it makes a LOT more sense. And I'm still not returning to it.
 
2012-12-06 07:37:52 AM  
Oh and even though I'll get some hate for this I really I liked the "Orphanage" book series. They had a cheese/easy read factor but that didn't stop me from killing the whole set in a couple weeks. As I read it I thought it would make a fun movie or (pay) TV series. I loved the idea of the aliens using asteroids as weapons.
 
2012-12-06 07:44:59 AM  
Not impressed.

www.majhost.com
 
2012-12-06 07:45:22 AM  

stupiddream: Eddie Ate Dynamite: omeganuepsilon: And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.

While this can be true, I think the right director can go a long way. I've seen some pretty good child actors, or at least they were believable in the role they were cast for. It's been a while since I've seen it, but it seems like Lord of the Flies was pretty good acting-wise. At least I don't remember thinking to myself "Wow, this is horrible acting." Which I'm prone to do even with a lot of adult actors. Especially if I smoke up before hand. Not sure why that is, but I digress. Also all the kids in A Christmas Story did a pretty good job.

What about Bugsy Malone?

On another note, I liked Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but the rest were tedious. I hope they can get the violence right. That was one of the shocking things of the books. Smart kids being brutal. I think that is why the actors are all older, so that they can be convincing as calculating killers.


From what I've heard, the movie is going to combine elements from Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow so that helps with the use of older kids a bit. I'm excited to see this.

Now if they just would get a Rendezvous with Rama film made already, my life would be complete.
 
2012-12-06 07:58:32 AM  

stupiddream:
On another note, I liked Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but the rest were tedious. I hope they can get the violence right. That was one of the shocking things of the books. Smart kids being brutal. I think that is why the actors are all older, so that they can be convincing as calculating killers.


Yeah, I'm ok with the age thing. I mean, it would be nice to see the kids as younger and everything, it does ratchet up the brutality, but people need to think of this from a movie making perspective: you would need to find a good number of quality child actors who can pull it off. And most kid actors, frankly, suck.

Remember, Jake Lloyd was attached to play Ender after Phantom Menace hit the theaters. *SHUDDER*
 
2012-12-06 08:06:02 AM  
I always pictured Graff as the bald actor who was the boss in the Closer and psychiatrist in L&O.
 
2012-12-06 08:07:28 AM  
I'm gonna have a hard time with this.  The whole thing about Ender was his age.  I mean he's 6 years old the first time he kills for crying out loud. 
 
Guess were just gonna have to wait and see...
 
2012-12-06 08:08:23 AM  
This could very well be a good movie, but the preview pic in the article looks like Ford is trying to figure out which one of those young brats TPed his house last Halloween.
 
2012-12-06 08:10:15 AM  
another movie about kids killing each other like Hunger Games?
 
2012-12-06 08:14:52 AM  
director Gavin Hood (Tsotsi, X-Men Origins: Wolverine)

Uh oh...
 
2012-12-06 08:17:57 AM  

YodaBlues: Yeah, I'm ok with the age thing. I mean, it would be nice to see the kids as younger and everything, it does ratchet up the brutality, but people need to think of this from a movie making perspective: you would need to find a good number of quality child actors who can pull it off. And most kid actors, frankly, suck.

Remember, Jake Lloyd was attached to play Ender after Phantom Menace hit the theaters. *SHUDDER*


Even more terrifying, I seem to remember reading that it was after seeing Lloyd in Phantom Menace that OSC was finally convinced that Ender's Game could really be made into a movie.

He was inspired.

By Jake Lloyd.

In The Phantom Menace.

/Not enough slashies in the world.
 
2012-12-06 08:20:57 AM  

12349876: Ender's Game is far and away the best. That and the parallel story from a different character's pov Ender's Shadow were the only two books of his I've ever made it through and even the latter was a bit of a struggle. I'd recommend spending a dollar or two for it at the used store. Card is a complete loon these days so I'm not sure what I'll do about the movie yet. With a book you're pretty much just supporting the author and the editor, but with a movie there's so many other people worthy of support.


I agree RE: Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Also, the library is still free!

/support your local library
//git off mah lawn
 
2012-12-06 08:31:46 AM  
I will reserve judgement until I see the shower scene.
 
2012-12-06 08:32:59 AM  
He is too old to play ender.
 
2012-12-06 08:37:16 AM  
Nailed it? They already screwed it up you mean. Graff staring down Ender in the bunkroom? Adults barely had any physical presence in battle school, that was part of it's point. The smarter kids always realized the adults were still manipulating everything but they pretty much stayed out of it.

Ford should have been Mazer, not Graff
 
2012-12-06 08:39:29 AM  

DaCricket: I'm gonna have a hard time with this.  The whole thing about Ender was his age.  I mean he's 6 years old the first time he kills for crying out loud.


Do you think something like that is realistic to shoot for a movie? Parents would lynch the studio.
 
2012-12-06 08:47:26 AM  

BalugaJoe: another movie about kids killing each other like Hunger Games?


Ironically that will be a common misperception. It's why Neuromancer would be hard to bring to film now. People would bash it as being a Matrix clone even though it came way before and in fact was at least to some degree an influence on the film people think it's now copying.
 
2012-12-06 08:51:11 AM  

The Onion is prophetic: I wouldn't doubt if they tried to do some stupid love story between Ender and Petra. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but knowing what Hollywood does to things, I'm betting they're going to fark it all up.


It's Hollywood... I'd be willing to say that you can bank on that happening.
 
2012-12-06 08:54:43 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.

Like 'Ender's Game', Snow Crash is dated. Like 'Logan's Run' dated. Snow Crash is a lot more fun than Ender's Game, though.


Snow Crash is really dated. Would have been perfect if it were done in the early-mid 90s before Google Earth and the rise of the Internet as it is now. Most of the technology he envisioned already exists for the most part.
 
2012-12-06 08:58:31 AM  
Personally I am already working on convincing myself that this isn't going to be Ender's Game, just a story like it. I'd like to hope it ends up like Starship Troopers or the Crow. Both of which I hated initially because they farked up the book but came to appreciate later as stories in their own right.
 
2012-12-06 09:00:50 AM  
I got worn out on the Shadow books, Bean started annoying me. But I will say that the ending of Ender's Shadow really made me dislike Ender more than I already did.

Ender gives the order and then breaks down, but it was Bean who did what needed to be done and won the war.

I think they should film Ender's Shadow at the same time.

And I agree with Digitalstrange that Ford should have been Mazer Rackham.
 
2012-12-06 09:06:41 AM  
I just finished Ender's Game and I think it is one of the best stories I have ever read. I could not put the book down. I am catching up on some other reading and then diving into the next book.
 
2012-12-06 09:16:29 AM  
The Viewer's Expectations are DOWN!
 
2012-12-06 09:16:40 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: omeganuepsilon: Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.

It was his sister and older brother and they essentially became highly respected wikipedia authors under the names Locke and Demosthenes.

And that was the time I stopped reading the series because yeah: internet.


The book was written in the 80s, most people couldn't even realize during that time just how pervasive and big the internet was going to be, it seems ridiculous today, but taken in context of when it was written I think it is somewhat visionary. Not that it didn't have its issues that I even saw when reading it as an adolescent, but that part shouldn't have stopped you from reading it.

I see why they did the age thing, it is easier to find good child actors at that age then a bunch of 6 years old, I don't think they could pull of making them look smart when they still get shiat on their fingers from wiping their butt(book paraphrase).

I did like Ender's Shadow and there were some aspects of the Bean Series to enjoy if you could get past some of the commentary he inserted in the book.

The one that annoyed me most I think was when Bean and Ender's Mom were talking about indoctrination and basically says that liberals use universities to indoctrinate. Yeah, sorry the world with facts in it have a liberal bias.
 
2012-12-06 09:29:30 AM  
Have to agree, compressing the story into one year to save having to find more than one kid for the part is probably a mistake. Movies from science fiction books are always disappointing. No director can resist pissing on the script, unless contractually bound to stay zipped.
 
2012-12-06 09:33:29 AM  

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


Then forget it.

Much like The Catcher in the Rye, it's Amazing and Profound and Just Like Me when your read it at age 14.

If you read it as an adult it's like WTF is this shiat? I can't believe people think this is a Great Book.
 
2012-12-06 09:35:51 AM  

Tax Boy: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

Then forget it.

Much like The Catcher in the Rye, it's Amazing and Profound and Just Like Me when your read it at age 14.

If you read it as an adult it's like WTF is this shiat? I can't believe people think this is a Great Book.


It is a fun adventure story.
 
2012-12-06 09:41:02 AM  

PirateKing: got worn out on the Shadow books, Bean started annoying me. But I will say that the ending of Ender's Shadow really made me dislike Ender more than I already did.

Ender gives the order and then breaks down, but it was Bean who did what needed to be done and won the war.


Great. Now I am going to have to read some of the Shadow books. I liked Game enough to go out and purchase the next 3 books right away.... after the 3rd book I just could not marshal the energy to read past the first chapter, and I have powered through Atlas Shrugged. Says a lot.
 
2012-12-06 09:44:09 AM  
I dont see Bean anywhere, hes 3 feet tall and the smartest farker in the universe which is something they absolutely are incapable of showing on the big screen. Intelligent characters translate horribly in film and hollywood knows Americans are too stupid to relate to any intelligent character let alone a child genius. This is going to be pg-13 bullshiat "NOW THIS IS PODRACING!" levels of fark you to the readers.

If you spend money on this movie then you are the problem with America, god damn you.

/NOW THIS IS BATTLE SIMULATION WEEEEE!!!
 
2012-12-06 09:52:57 AM  

orclover: I dont see Bean anywhere, hes 3 feet tall and the smartest farker in the universe which is something they absolutely are incapable of showing on the big screen. Intelligent characters translate horribly in film and hollywood knows Americans are too stupid to relate to any intelligent character let alone a child genius. This is going to be pg-13 bullshiat "NOW THIS IS PODRACING!" levels of fark you to the readers.

If you spend money on this movie then you are the problem with America, god damn you.

/NOW THIS IS BATTLE SIMULATION WEEEEE!!!


It must really suck being the smartest and most intellectually mature person in the country.

/Full cast gallery, photo 13
 
2012-12-06 10:01:12 AM  

ubwcgm: orclover: I dont see Bean anywhere, hes 3 feet tall and the smartest farker in the universe which is something they absolutely are incapable of showing on the big screen. Intelligent characters translate horribly in film and hollywood knows Americans are too stupid to relate to any intelligent character let alone a child genius. This is going to be pg-13 bullshiat "NOW THIS IS PODRACING!" levels of fark you to the readers.

If you spend money on this movie then you are the problem with America, god damn you.

/NOW THIS IS BATTLE SIMULATION WEEEEE!!!

It must really suck being the smartest and most intellectually mature person in the country.

/Full cast gallery, photo 13


They all look like Bieber. If you pay money to see this then I hope a part of you dies inside for what you did to America.
 
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