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(Entertainment Weekly)   First look at Harrison Ford and Ender in "Ender's Game"   (insidemovies.ew.com) divider line 136
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2012-12-05 09:18:11 PM
That kid is so getting a finger in his face.

www.theforce.net
 
2012-12-05 09:41:58 PM
Finally!
 
2012-12-05 10:29:51 PM
I've never thought that book would adapt well to a movie... I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes going in to it. I've read the book probably at least two hundred times, and of all the books in the 'Enderverse', I think it would be the toughest to bring to life.
 
2012-12-05 11:39:35 PM

The Onion is prophetic: I've never thought that book would adapt well to a movie... I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes going in to it. I've read the book probably at least two hundred times, and of all the books in the 'Enderverse', I think it would be the toughest to bring to life.


Really? The first book(my favorite scifi book fwiw) is not an overly complicated story. I've always thought it would be a great movie.
 
2012-12-05 11:51:30 PM

dugitman: The Onion is prophetic: I've never thought that book would adapt well to a movie... I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes going in to it. I've read the book probably at least two hundred times, and of all the books in the 'Enderverse', I think it would be the toughest to bring to life.

Really? The first book(my favorite scifi book fwiw) is not an overly complicated story. I've always thought it would be a great movie.


I think the problem I have with a movie is that it's a very straightforward story, but that's not good enough for anyone in Hollywood, so they're going to add in a bunch of crap... I wouldn't doubt if they tried to do some stupid love story between Ender and Petra. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but knowing what Hollywood does to things, I'm betting they're going to fark it all up.
 
2012-12-05 11:55:08 PM
Ender, *puts on sunglasses* shot first and ended it. YEEAAHHH!!

/DNRTFA
 
2012-12-06 12:09:24 AM

The Onion is prophetic: I think the problem I have with a movie is that it's a very straightforward story, but that's not good enough for anyone in Hollywood, so they're going to add in a bunch of crap... I wouldn't doubt if they tried to do some stupid love story between Ender and Petra. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but knowing what Hollywood does to things, I'm betting they're going to fark it all up.


Do it like 6th Sense with the production/directing and you got it. The studio, producer, director, and cast all have to be on board... but accomplish that and do a soft release. That's GOLD, Jerry!!
 
2012-12-06 12:39:00 AM
meh, card wrote his universe into the ground. and since it turns out he's a biggoted and insane jackwagon in real life, i wont be giving him any money by watching hollywood screw up this movie
 
2012-12-06 12:40:04 AM
Nice. They nailed the set and costume design. It fits the book and what I imagined, tbqh.
 
2012-12-06 12:59:34 AM
That's Ender?

www.sectalk.com

/but seriously, I'm excited.
 
2012-12-06 01:05:50 AM

tlchwi02: meh, card wrote his universe into the ground. and since it turns out he's a biggoted and insane jackwagon in real life, i wont be giving him any money by watching hollywood screw up this movie


This.

The first one ruled, the second one...ok, third...meh. After that they just get stupid.
Plus Card is a nutcase and went public about being nuts. Sorta killed it for me.
 
2012-12-06 01:06:47 AM
Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.
 
2012-12-06 01:09:35 AM

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


Read it, then STOP! It's like the Matrix, and the sequels that don't exist.
 
2012-12-06 01:17:32 AM

natmar_76: Nice. They nailed the set and costume design. It fits the book and what I imagined, tbqh.


The kids are wearing clothes that look like they came off a shelf at Target, and Ford is wearing a generic military uniform with a neat patch. Unless there's a bunch of photos you've seen that aren't in the article, I don't see how they nailed the costumes. They're very plain and generic.
 
2012-12-06 01:18:53 AM
pleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuck


Despite that change, Hood wants fans of the novel to know that he holds Ender's Game, the book, in high esteem. (We already know he maintained the emotion-monitoring chip on the back of Ender's neck.) "I am a fan," he says, "and I have had a desire to do this and have been working on this now for nearly four years."


Am I the only one that is amazed that a hollywood director is literate enough to hold a book in high esteem?
 
2012-12-06 01:19:54 AM

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.
 
2012-12-06 01:27:55 AM

Confabulat: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.


In all seriousness when a person is pretty... "eccentric", to put it nicely, they are also potentially very creative. Has something to do with their personality type. You'll notice all the greatest authors and creative types have the same personality type. Think about it. You'd have to be pretty imaginative and creative to come up with some of the real life eccentricities they hold.
 
2012-12-06 01:31:37 AM
Great book. Good series. Movie will probably suck but I'll watch it eventually.

Glad it will finally become a movie because the publicity should lead to more people reading the book.
 
2012-12-06 01:42:12 AM
I hope the child actors can have the range required to carry the story. Ben Kingsley and Harrison Ford will no doubt execute well.

/looking forward with guarded optimism.
 
2012-12-06 01:43:33 AM

Confabulat: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.


Ender's Game is far and away the best. That and the parallel story from a different character's pov Ender's Shadow were the only two books of his I've ever made it through and even the latter was a bit of a struggle. I'd recommend spending a dollar or two for it at the used store. Card is a complete loon these days so I'm not sure what I'll do about the movie yet. With a book you're pretty much just supporting the author and the editor, but with a movie there's so many other people worthy of support.
 
2012-12-06 01:44:11 AM
I hope they drop that weird trippy computer game from the movie. It's the something that didn't really appeal to me as I read the book. It's not the 70s anymore, and people know computers don't work like that.

And I hope they drop the 'third child' thing from the movie, too. It's a holdover from the 70s too. There's not a single first-world country that has any kind of a problem with population growth from fertility rate.
 
2012-12-06 01:48:05 AM

ParagonComplex: In all seriousness when a person is pretty... "eccentric", to put it nicely, they are also potentially very creative. Has something to do with their personality type. You'll notice all the greatest authors and creative types have the same personality type. Think about it. You'd have to be pretty imaginative and creative to come up with some of the real life eccentricities they hold.


You know who else was eccentric and an author?
 
2012-12-06 01:52:47 AM

gingerjet: You know who else was eccentric and an author?


dancingczars.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-06 01:54:41 AM

Gonzee: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

Read it, then STOP! It's like the Matrix, and the sequels that don't exist.


Hey! I liked Speaker for the Dead even more than Ender's Game.
 
2012-12-06 01:58:55 AM
i.qkme.me
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2012-12-06 01:59:41 AM

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


SO tempted to post teh spoiler...
 
2012-12-06 02:03:05 AM
Orson Scott Card is a tool, but he did write Enders Game....looking forward to it.
 
2012-12-06 02:15:12 AM

fusillade762: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

SO tempted to post teh spoiler...


It was Earth all along!
 
2012-12-06 02:23:17 AM

fusillade762: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

SO tempted to post teh spoiler...


I don't think thae fact the kid is gay makes any diffrence these days.
 
2012-12-06 02:23:50 AM
I've always wanted to bang Val.

/also Jane
//these kids are too farking old
///thought i'd be in before the card hate
 
2012-12-06 03:03:23 AM

gingerjet: You know who else was eccentric and an author?


Ambrose Bierce, who once said, "Have have the heart of a small child; I keep it in a box on my desk"?
 
2012-12-06 03:03:49 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: fusillade762: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

SO tempted to post teh spoiler...

It was Earth all along!


Snape kills Dumbledore.
 
2012-12-06 03:08:33 AM

robohobo: I've always wanted to bang Val.

/also Jane
//these kids are too farking old
///thought i'd be in before the card hate


You thought you'd be in before the hate? This is FARK. If you look to the right and see the comments are above zero, y
 
2012-12-06 03:10:04 AM
I only ever read Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead.

Then someone told me that the Homecoming series was good.

It wasn't.

And after finishing Homecoming, I suspect Orson Scott Card might be a lunatic, and I think I have a severe prejudice against mormons. What a shiatty series.
 
2012-12-06 03:14:13 AM

Confabulat: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

That's how it is for me too. I read one Orson Scott Card book once long ago, and it was terrible, like really bad. Something about lost kids or something, who knows, it sucked. Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism, it's hard to really see how I could enjoy one of his books. Then again, Ray Bradbury was a nutty neocon when he died, so who knows. And just look at Alan Moore.


Ender's Game was the first Card book I read. I liked it so much I ran out to find more of his stuff and wound up with the Homecoming (or whatever its called) series. Jesus Christ I wanted to like those books, really I did. There were some interesting ideas there. But it was just so preachy and long winded and it just felt off somehow. Years later I find out he was Mormon and it all made sense.
 
2012-12-06 03:28:48 AM

Sidereal: That's Ender?

[www.sectalk.com image 600x450]

/but seriously, I'm excited.


Came here to say this. Those look like young teens. Ender is supposed to be in, like, elementary school. The fact that they're not even close to old enough to join the army was a key point in the story, because the kids are young enough to be pliable still, and teenage hormones wouldn't be effecting them yet. Six year old Bean would stick out like a sore thumb in that lineup.
 
2012-12-06 03:34:38 AM

ModernLuddite: I only ever read Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead.

Then someone told me that the Homecoming series was good.

It wasn't.

And after finishing Homecoming, I suspect Orson Scott Card might be a lunatic, and I think I have a severe prejudice against mormons. What a shiatty series.


I totally dug the Homecoming series, except the last book, which was just batshiat crazy and made zero sense.
 
2012-12-06 03:36:35 AM

natmar_76: Nice. They nailed the set and costume design. It fits the book and what I imagined, tbqh.


I concur. Also, which way is the enemy base?
 
2012-12-06 03:40:13 AM

Serious Black: The All-Powerful Atheismo: fusillade762: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

SO tempted to post teh spoiler...

It was Earth all along!

Snape kills Dumbledore.


Soilent green is people!
 
2012-12-06 03:51:16 AM
Am I the only one that's disappointed that the people who worked on the live action Halo stuff weren't involved? Because they were fairly good at bringing that stuff to life without needing insane amounts of CGI.

/this looks like a meh movie
 
2012-12-06 03:57:16 AM
Is it a "you have to read it when you're young to get it" kind of thing? I was about 30 when I finally read it and I didn't see what the big deal was. Mostly I couldn't figure out why if he was going to write a book about kids who talk and act like adults, why not just make them adults?
 
2012-12-06 03:58:19 AM
I'm glad Ford is getting a paycheck and all, but Ender's Game is Boooooooooring. Read it.

Fridge logic, the whole thing.

Won't care to see a movie. And then the end-third, "let's be bloggers and the whole world will think we're geniuses and make us their leader"

*EPIC EYEROLL*
 
mhd
2012-12-06 04:03:26 AM
40+ posts about Enders Game and still no Godwin?

/It's Twilight for bullied nerds
 
2012-12-06 04:04:51 AM
I liked the Ender books when I was in Middle School, especially Speaker for the Dead, but that was before I knew about Orson Scott Card's, er, peculiarity. Now I think he and his ideas should simply fade into obscurity.
 
2012-12-06 04:05:27 AM
As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.
 
2012-12-06 04:07:15 AM
When I read a book. I only read it for the story. I really don't care about the author's political and or religious background. All I care if the novel/short story is a good read.

/There is always the library if you don't want to spend you money on a much hated author.
 
2012-12-06 04:09:25 AM

LDM90: Is it a "you have to read it when you're young to get it" kind of thing? I was about 30 when I finally read it and I didn't see what the big deal was. Mostly I couldn't figure out why if he was going to write a book about kids who talk and act like adults, why not just make them adults?


You know how Atlas Shrugged is only enjoyed by adult intellectual elitists? Ender's Game is like that, but for prepubescent gifted & talented program students.
 
2012-12-06 04:15:51 AM
As someone named Graff, I'm really getting a kick...
 
2012-12-06 04:20:52 AM
I loved Ender's Game. I hope they don't fark it up.

The Onion is prophetic: I've never thought that book would adapt well to a movie... I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes going in to it. I've read the book probably at least two hundred times, and of all the books in the 'Enderverse', I think it would be the toughest to bring to life.


Speaker for the Dead is also great, but would be really difficult in film.
 
2012-12-06 04:24:28 AM
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I hope the Battle Room scenes resemble Dead Space.
 
2012-12-06 05:05:38 AM

LDM90: Is it a "you have to read it when you're young to get it" kind of thing? I was about 30 when I finally read it and I didn't see what the big deal was


Me neither. It was boring and predictable. Maybe the hype ruined it for me.
 
2012-12-06 05:15:40 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I hope the child actors can have the range required to carry the story. Ben Kingsley and Harrison Ford will no doubt execute well.

/looking forward with guarded optimism.


Isn't there a naked fight in the shower or something(could be thinking of a different book, ready many sci-fi boot camp type books, cyberpunk, starship troopers)? That won't make it. Even if they're clothed, kids beating eachother bloody wouldn't make it. If it does, it won't be believable at all. Very difficult to get kids to do that well.

And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.

I'm also concerned about the no gravity war games. I'd almost wager it's them playing laser tag on foot, or shoddy CG like some of Neo's fighting in the later Matrix movies.
 
2012-12-06 05:26:59 AM

omeganuepsilon: And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.


While this can be true, I think the right director can go a long way. I've seen some pretty good child actors, or at least they were believable in the role they were cast for. It's been a while since I've seen it, but it seems like Lord of the Flies was pretty good acting-wise. At least I don't remember thinking to myself "Wow, this is horrible acting." Which I'm prone to do even with a lot of adult actors. Especially if I smoke up before hand. Not sure why that is, but I digress. Also all the kids in A Christmas Story did a pretty good job.
 
2012-12-06 05:37:54 AM
Those are the two I was thinking of. Christmas story was a bit cheesy in many places, good in others.

Thing is, I don't think ultra-violence like lord of the flies would be do-able in this social climate(been a while since I've read Enders, but If i recall, there was a good amount of it. That's part of what I was on about. Studio won't put it out because people "might" take issue with it. My bet is that it will be more Disney and Nickelodeon than any actual fan of the book would care to see(we'll see it anyhow, but still).
 
2012-12-06 05:51:20 AM
Before I shut down for the night, I wanted to comment on detractors of the later Ender books.

Bean's story was pretty damned good, just lost some luster due to it being parallel to Enders Game.

All sci-fi tends to get sort of weird if a series is stretched out. I seem to recall a few neat things among the fantasy.

Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.
 
2012-12-06 06:14:52 AM
The problem I have with Ender's Game is that the plot twist is visible a mile away. I mean it's M Night Shamalan territory.

Not a bad book by any means but nothing revolutionary.
 
2012-12-06 06:25:36 AM

mhd: /It's Twilight for bullied nerds


I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm. Something about the way Ender constantly fights back... he gets picked on and ALWAYS retaliates, smashes the other guy's nose, etc. There's no subtlety at all in this philosophy... complete catharsis for nerds, or anyone afraid of bullies. Card seems like the type of guy who's "got mah gun and ain't afraid to use it."
 
2012-12-06 06:44:41 AM

omeganuepsilon: Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.


It was his sister and older brother and they essentially became highly respected wikipedia authors under the names Locke and Demosthenes.

And that was the time I stopped reading the series because yeah: internet.
 
mhd
2012-12-06 06:46:31 AM

DeltaPunch: I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm.


If I remember correctly, OSC is pro gun-control, so I wouldn't bet on that.
 
2012-12-06 06:54:23 AM

Saiga410: pleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuckpleasedontletthissuck


Despite that change, Hood wants fans of the novel to know that he holds Ender's Game, the book, in high esteem. (We already know he maintained the emotion-monitoring chip on the back of Ender's neck.) "I am a fan," he says, "and I have had a desire to do this and have been working on this now for nearly four years."

Am I the only one that is amazed that a hollywood director is literate enough to hold a book in high esteem?


High Esteem, CA population 234,000
 
2012-12-06 06:56:03 AM
Nice, Love the Ender Series, hater's be damned. Looks like they got the set look of the Battle School down, could potentially be really good.

"...director Gavin Hood (Tsotsi, X-Men Origins: Wolverine)...."

....fark. Well at least there will a humorous scene where Ender accidentally destroys a bathroom in Zero-G with his target laser.
 
2012-12-06 06:58:19 AM

12349876: Ender's Game is far and away the best


No, Songmaster is. Just one book, story of one man's entire life.
It stands on it's own.
I used to read a lot of Card's books, but I got wore out on the Alvin Maker series and that is around the
time he start bloviating about his right wing views and I quit reading his work.
Like Nugent, his views have poisoned his body of work.
 
2012-12-06 07:13:03 AM
While Ender's Game is a kickass story, the sequel books had me shaking my head is disbelief. Really soured the whole deal for me.

I will likely go see this if the Tomatometer/Metacritic score pegs anywhere above 65%. The "secret twist" in the book blew me away, I'd love to see the thing realized on screen.
 
2012-12-06 07:16:44 AM
Card has some pretty unsettling political views but I don't let his lack of respect for the 2nd amendment disturb my enjoyment of his good books. (Homecoming sucked)
 
2012-12-06 07:25:11 AM

StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.


Like 'Ender's Game', Snow Crash is dated. Like 'Logan's Run' dated. Snow Crash is a lot more fun than Ender's Game, though.
 
2012-12-06 07:28:14 AM

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


There really is an XKCD for everything.

imgs.xkcd.com

My advice is to read it for itself, and ignore everyone who says it's the greatest thing since sliced bread (and don't listen to anyone who is prejudiced against the author for the author's personal views, either). It is definitely dated -- like Snow Crash, the world it portrays is not 'new' and fresh anymore but old hat and maybe even done to death by others who came after -- but there are some very important lessons in the book regarding war, leadership, how to govern, and xenophobia.
 
2012-12-06 07:30:14 AM
Just read Ender's Game a few weeks ago. Disappointed to see that Hollywood went the safe route and used older kids. I understand why they did it, but I think seeing kids of equivalent ages to the book would have been more disturbing. Which is sort of the point. The book was okay, if not predicatble, but is worth the read. I probably would have loved the book if I read it back in junior high.
 
2012-12-06 07:30:42 AM
I have found innumerable books to read thanks to Farkers, some of my favorite threads on here are book threads, but there is something about OSC that keeps me away from this book.
 
2012-12-06 07:35:04 AM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: omeganuepsilon: And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.

While this can be true, I think the right director can go a long way. I've seen some pretty good child actors, or at least they were believable in the role they were cast for. It's been a while since I've seen it, but it seems like Lord of the Flies was pretty good acting-wise. At least I don't remember thinking to myself "Wow, this is horrible acting." Which I'm prone to do even with a lot of adult actors. Especially if I smoke up before hand. Not sure why that is, but I digress. Also all the kids in A Christmas Story did a pretty good job.


What about Bugsy Malone?

On another note, I liked Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but the rest were tedious. I hope they can get the violence right. That was one of the shocking things of the books. Smart kids being brutal. I think that is why the actors are all older, so that they can be convincing as calculating killers.
 
2012-12-06 07:36:10 AM

omeganuepsilon: Before I shut down for the night, I wanted to comment on detractors of the later Ender books.

Bean's story was pretty damned good, just lost some luster due to it being parallel to Enders Game.

All sci-fi tends to get sort of weird if a series is stretched out. I seem to recall a few neat things among the fantasy.

Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.


Nah, it was Valentine and Peter. and the thing about Valentine and Peter was that they were listened to, and nobody knew that they were *that* young, yet were taking advice from them. If I remember correctly, which I may not.

And then the end happened, and I felt bad about what happened to the kids, age-wise, but that seemed a much more realistic rendering of what happens when relativity comes into play across light years. I appreciated that touch, even as I felt sorry for the characters.

If Ender's kids did the same thing in later books, I don't know about it, cuz I didn't read the other books. Tried to get into the series with all the Russian names, and it was alright but was too difficult to follow. Tried to also get into the 7th Son of a 7th Son series, but it didn't grab me the way I wanted an alternative history to grab me... now that I know that Orson is a Mormon, it makes a LOT more sense. And I'm still not returning to it.
 
2012-12-06 07:37:52 AM
Oh and even though I'll get some hate for this I really I liked the "Orphanage" book series. They had a cheese/easy read factor but that didn't stop me from killing the whole set in a couple weeks. As I read it I thought it would make a fun movie or (pay) TV series. I loved the idea of the aliens using asteroids as weapons.
 
2012-12-06 07:44:59 AM
Not impressed.

www.majhost.com
 
2012-12-06 07:45:22 AM

stupiddream: Eddie Ate Dynamite: omeganuepsilon: And the generic acting itself, very few kids can be convincing, it usually looks like a kid is playing pretend and being recorded. With a whole group of them, it is going to be difficult to achieve anything really good.

While this can be true, I think the right director can go a long way. I've seen some pretty good child actors, or at least they were believable in the role they were cast for. It's been a while since I've seen it, but it seems like Lord of the Flies was pretty good acting-wise. At least I don't remember thinking to myself "Wow, this is horrible acting." Which I'm prone to do even with a lot of adult actors. Especially if I smoke up before hand. Not sure why that is, but I digress. Also all the kids in A Christmas Story did a pretty good job.

What about Bugsy Malone?

On another note, I liked Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but the rest were tedious. I hope they can get the violence right. That was one of the shocking things of the books. Smart kids being brutal. I think that is why the actors are all older, so that they can be convincing as calculating killers.


From what I've heard, the movie is going to combine elements from Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow so that helps with the use of older kids a bit. I'm excited to see this.

Now if they just would get a Rendezvous with Rama film made already, my life would be complete.
 
2012-12-06 07:58:32 AM

stupiddream:
On another note, I liked Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but the rest were tedious. I hope they can get the violence right. That was one of the shocking things of the books. Smart kids being brutal. I think that is why the actors are all older, so that they can be convincing as calculating killers.


Yeah, I'm ok with the age thing. I mean, it would be nice to see the kids as younger and everything, it does ratchet up the brutality, but people need to think of this from a movie making perspective: you would need to find a good number of quality child actors who can pull it off. And most kid actors, frankly, suck.

Remember, Jake Lloyd was attached to play Ender after Phantom Menace hit the theaters. *SHUDDER*
 
2012-12-06 08:06:02 AM
I always pictured Graff as the bald actor who was the boss in the Closer and psychiatrist in L&O.
 
2012-12-06 08:07:28 AM
I'm gonna have a hard time with this.  The whole thing about Ender was his age.  I mean he's 6 years old the first time he kills for crying out loud. 
 
Guess were just gonna have to wait and see...
 
2012-12-06 08:08:23 AM
This could very well be a good movie, but the preview pic in the article looks like Ford is trying to figure out which one of those young brats TPed his house last Halloween.
 
2012-12-06 08:10:15 AM
another movie about kids killing each other like Hunger Games?
 
2012-12-06 08:14:52 AM
director Gavin Hood (Tsotsi, X-Men Origins: Wolverine)

Uh oh...
 
2012-12-06 08:17:57 AM

YodaBlues: Yeah, I'm ok with the age thing. I mean, it would be nice to see the kids as younger and everything, it does ratchet up the brutality, but people need to think of this from a movie making perspective: you would need to find a good number of quality child actors who can pull it off. And most kid actors, frankly, suck.

Remember, Jake Lloyd was attached to play Ender after Phantom Menace hit the theaters. *SHUDDER*


Even more terrifying, I seem to remember reading that it was after seeing Lloyd in Phantom Menace that OSC was finally convinced that Ender's Game could really be made into a movie.

He was inspired.

By Jake Lloyd.

In The Phantom Menace.

/Not enough slashies in the world.
 
2012-12-06 08:20:57 AM

12349876: Ender's Game is far and away the best. That and the parallel story from a different character's pov Ender's Shadow were the only two books of his I've ever made it through and even the latter was a bit of a struggle. I'd recommend spending a dollar or two for it at the used store. Card is a complete loon these days so I'm not sure what I'll do about the movie yet. With a book you're pretty much just supporting the author and the editor, but with a movie there's so many other people worthy of support.


I agree RE: Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Also, the library is still free!

/support your local library
//git off mah lawn
 
2012-12-06 08:31:46 AM
I will reserve judgement until I see the shower scene.
 
2012-12-06 08:32:59 AM
He is too old to play ender.
 
2012-12-06 08:37:16 AM
Nailed it? They already screwed it up you mean. Graff staring down Ender in the bunkroom? Adults barely had any physical presence in battle school, that was part of it's point. The smarter kids always realized the adults were still manipulating everything but they pretty much stayed out of it.

Ford should have been Mazer, not Graff
 
2012-12-06 08:39:29 AM

DaCricket: I'm gonna have a hard time with this.  The whole thing about Ender was his age.  I mean he's 6 years old the first time he kills for crying out loud.


Do you think something like that is realistic to shoot for a movie? Parents would lynch the studio.
 
2012-12-06 08:47:26 AM

BalugaJoe: another movie about kids killing each other like Hunger Games?


Ironically that will be a common misperception. It's why Neuromancer would be hard to bring to film now. People would bash it as being a Matrix clone even though it came way before and in fact was at least to some degree an influence on the film people think it's now copying.
 
2012-12-06 08:51:11 AM

The Onion is prophetic: I wouldn't doubt if they tried to do some stupid love story between Ender and Petra. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but knowing what Hollywood does to things, I'm betting they're going to fark it all up.


It's Hollywood... I'd be willing to say that you can bank on that happening.
 
2012-12-06 08:54:43 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.

Like 'Ender's Game', Snow Crash is dated. Like 'Logan's Run' dated. Snow Crash is a lot more fun than Ender's Game, though.


Snow Crash is really dated. Would have been perfect if it were done in the early-mid 90s before Google Earth and the rise of the Internet as it is now. Most of the technology he envisioned already exists for the most part.
 
2012-12-06 08:58:31 AM
Personally I am already working on convincing myself that this isn't going to be Ender's Game, just a story like it. I'd like to hope it ends up like Starship Troopers or the Crow. Both of which I hated initially because they farked up the book but came to appreciate later as stories in their own right.
 
2012-12-06 09:00:50 AM
I got worn out on the Shadow books, Bean started annoying me. But I will say that the ending of Ender's Shadow really made me dislike Ender more than I already did.

Ender gives the order and then breaks down, but it was Bean who did what needed to be done and won the war.

I think they should film Ender's Shadow at the same time.

And I agree with Digitalstrange that Ford should have been Mazer Rackham.
 
2012-12-06 09:06:41 AM
I just finished Ender's Game and I think it is one of the best stories I have ever read. I could not put the book down. I am catching up on some other reading and then diving into the next book.
 
2012-12-06 09:16:29 AM
The Viewer's Expectations are DOWN!
 
2012-12-06 09:16:40 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: omeganuepsilon: Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.

It was his sister and older brother and they essentially became highly respected wikipedia authors under the names Locke and Demosthenes.

And that was the time I stopped reading the series because yeah: internet.


The book was written in the 80s, most people couldn't even realize during that time just how pervasive and big the internet was going to be, it seems ridiculous today, but taken in context of when it was written I think it is somewhat visionary. Not that it didn't have its issues that I even saw when reading it as an adolescent, but that part shouldn't have stopped you from reading it.

I see why they did the age thing, it is easier to find good child actors at that age then a bunch of 6 years old, I don't think they could pull of making them look smart when they still get shiat on their fingers from wiping their butt(book paraphrase).

I did like Ender's Shadow and there were some aspects of the Bean Series to enjoy if you could get past some of the commentary he inserted in the book.

The one that annoyed me most I think was when Bean and Ender's Mom were talking about indoctrination and basically says that liberals use universities to indoctrinate. Yeah, sorry the world with facts in it have a liberal bias.
 
2012-12-06 09:29:30 AM
Have to agree, compressing the story into one year to save having to find more than one kid for the part is probably a mistake. Movies from science fiction books are always disappointing. No director can resist pissing on the script, unless contractually bound to stay zipped.
 
2012-12-06 09:33:29 AM

Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.


Then forget it.

Much like The Catcher in the Rye, it's Amazing and Profound and Just Like Me when your read it at age 14.

If you read it as an adult it's like WTF is this shiat? I can't believe people think this is a Great Book.
 
2012-12-06 09:35:51 AM

Tax Boy: Alphax: Ender's Game is one of those books that I've heard about for decades, but never did get around to reading.

Then forget it.

Much like The Catcher in the Rye, it's Amazing and Profound and Just Like Me when your read it at age 14.

If you read it as an adult it's like WTF is this shiat? I can't believe people think this is a Great Book.


It is a fun adventure story.
 
2012-12-06 09:41:02 AM

PirateKing: got worn out on the Shadow books, Bean started annoying me. But I will say that the ending of Ender's Shadow really made me dislike Ender more than I already did.

Ender gives the order and then breaks down, but it was Bean who did what needed to be done and won the war.


Great. Now I am going to have to read some of the Shadow books. I liked Game enough to go out and purchase the next 3 books right away.... after the 3rd book I just could not marshal the energy to read past the first chapter, and I have powered through Atlas Shrugged. Says a lot.
 
2012-12-06 09:44:09 AM
I dont see Bean anywhere, hes 3 feet tall and the smartest farker in the universe which is something they absolutely are incapable of showing on the big screen. Intelligent characters translate horribly in film and hollywood knows Americans are too stupid to relate to any intelligent character let alone a child genius. This is going to be pg-13 bullshiat "NOW THIS IS PODRACING!" levels of fark you to the readers.

If you spend money on this movie then you are the problem with America, god damn you.

/NOW THIS IS BATTLE SIMULATION WEEEEE!!!
 
2012-12-06 09:52:57 AM

orclover: I dont see Bean anywhere, hes 3 feet tall and the smartest farker in the universe which is something they absolutely are incapable of showing on the big screen. Intelligent characters translate horribly in film and hollywood knows Americans are too stupid to relate to any intelligent character let alone a child genius. This is going to be pg-13 bullshiat "NOW THIS IS PODRACING!" levels of fark you to the readers.

If you spend money on this movie then you are the problem with America, god damn you.

/NOW THIS IS BATTLE SIMULATION WEEEEE!!!


It must really suck being the smartest and most intellectually mature person in the country.

/Full cast gallery, photo 13
 
2012-12-06 10:01:12 AM

ubwcgm: orclover: I dont see Bean anywhere, hes 3 feet tall and the smartest farker in the universe which is something they absolutely are incapable of showing on the big screen. Intelligent characters translate horribly in film and hollywood knows Americans are too stupid to relate to any intelligent character let alone a child genius. This is going to be pg-13 bullshiat "NOW THIS IS PODRACING!" levels of fark you to the readers.

If you spend money on this movie then you are the problem with America, god damn you.

/NOW THIS IS BATTLE SIMULATION WEEEEE!!!

It must really suck being the smartest and most intellectually mature person in the country.

/Full cast gallery, photo 13


They all look like Bieber. If you pay money to see this then I hope a part of you dies inside for what you did to America.
 
2012-12-06 10:28:35 AM

Saiga410: PirateKing: got worn out on the Shadow books, Bean started annoying me. But I will say that the ending of Ender's Shadow really made me dislike Ender more than I already did.

Ender gives the order and then breaks down, but it was Bean who did what needed to be done and won the war.

Great. Now I am going to have to read some of the Shadow books. I liked Game enough to go out and purchase the next 3 books right away.... after the 3rd book I just could not marshal the energy to read past the first chapter, and I have powered through Atlas Shrugged. Says a lot.


Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow are both really great books. But both series dive straight off the cliff after the first one.

Speaker for the Dead hangs on to the rail for a while, but Xenocide kicks the series right in the face and steps on its fingers. I liked some of the concepts in the later ones, but when they suddenly got MAGIC POWERS to create anything they could think of, it petered out.

The rest of the Shadow series just heads straight for the fireball at the bottom of the canyon. Boring and angsty.
 
2012-12-06 10:32:31 AM

Digitalstrange:

Ford should have been Mazer, not Graff


Yes, because when I think half-Maori New Zealander, I think Harrison Ford. Kingsley's a much better choice, and he's somewhat short, though not short enough.
 
2012-12-06 10:35:55 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: omeganuepsilon: Wasn't it Ender's kids that developed online persona's and wrote blogs becoming highly followed political commentators? I thought it was a little prophetic(whatever book I read it in at any rate). Just sort of wondering what their fark handle is.

It was his sister and older brother and they essentially became highly respected wikipedia authors under the names Locke and Demosthenes.

And that was the time I stopped reading the series because yeah: internet.


And how it would happen in real life :

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-12-06 10:36:31 AM

mhd: DeltaPunch: I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm.

If I remember correctly, OSC is pro gun-control, so I wouldn't bet on that.


Well the two concepts aren't incompatible, right? That is, assuming you didn't mean "completely anti-gun".

I didn't know anything about OSC before reading Ender's Game. My copy has an intro written by him, and I couldn't even finish reading it (the intro). It was so self-congratulatory and pompous, he really came across as bit of a dick. So while reading the novel I perhaps over-analyzed certain passages, thinking "what kind of person would write this", and time and time again he came across as smug and conservative.

Like, you know the whole meme about "conservative humor". It's hard to explain why, hard to define, but you know it when you see it. I felt like those same indefinable qualities were in his writing. He doesn't use much subtlety or nuance, he just pushes the action (and the characters) forward in a very blunt way. It's very hard to explain, I read it awhile ago so apologies for just summarizing some old ideas of mine... someday I may read it again more critically, perhaps takes some notes so that I can make these thoughts more coherent. In any case it's a very interesting book that deserves a deeper look no matter who you are...
 
2012-12-06 11:07:51 AM

DeltaPunch: mhd: /It's Twilight for bullied nerds

I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm. Something about the way Ender constantly fights back... he gets picked on and ALWAYS retaliates, smashes the other guy's nose, etc. There's no subtlety at all in this philosophy... complete catharsis for nerds, or anyone afraid of bullies. Card seems like the type of guy who's "got mah gun and ain't afraid to use it."


I found the key philosophy of the story to be somewhat different than a pure retaliatory reaction. Ender does not merely act with force. If you take any two random adversaries and make them fight, then brute strength will almost always win. Similarly if you take two chess players and have them play, the player with the greater skill will usually win.

The idea was that to defeat an enemy intellectually regardless of skill or power, you have to KNOW your enemy. You have to know them so well that you need to be able to understand their desires, hopes, perspectives, values and dreams. You need to know them as they know themselves. But when you can empathize that well with another, you will also love them as they love themselves. Then and only then can you destroy them regardless of power. A moderate chess player can study a much better opponent and learn their strategies and tendencies to a point where they can beat them from a lesser kill level. You play the opponent not the game.
 
2012-12-06 11:13:09 AM
I need to read the book again, and the sequel.

I'm not sci-fi at all but I love anything I've ever read by Orson Scott Card, even some weird western type book about the 7th son of the 7th son or some crap.
 
2012-12-06 11:15:42 AM

DeltaPunch: thinking "what kind of person would write this", and time and time again he came across as smug and conservative.


some authors write about fascist societies as satire. others write about fascist societies as desire. OSC is in the latter category.
 
2012-12-06 11:25:30 AM

Tricky Chicken: DeltaPunch: mhd: /It's Twilight for bullied nerds

I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm. Something about the way Ender constantly fights back... he gets picked on and ALWAYS retaliates, smashes the other guy's nose, etc. There's no subtlety at all in this philosophy... complete catharsis for nerds, or anyone afraid of bullies. Card seems like the type of guy who's "got mah gun and ain't afraid to use it."

I found the key philosophy of the story to be somewhat different than a pure retaliatory reaction. Ender does not merely act with force. If you take any two random adversaries and make them fight, then brute strength will almost always win. Similarly if you take two chess players and have them play, the player with the greater skill will usually win.

The idea was that to defeat an enemy intellectually regardless of skill or power, you have to KNOW your enemy. You have to know them so well that you need to be able to understand their desires, hopes, perspectives, values and dreams. You need to know them as they know themselves. But when you can empathize that well with another, you will also love them as they love themselves. Then and only then can you destroy them regardless of power. A moderate chess player can study a much better opponent and learn their strategies and tendencies to a point where they can beat them from a lesser kill level. You play the opponent not the game.


That's a good analysis, thanks.
 
mhd
2012-12-06 11:27:07 AM

DeltaPunch: Well the two concepts aren't incompatible, right? That is, assuming you didn't mean "completely anti-gun".


There's plenty written by OSC about the evils of teh gay, but I couldn't quickly find anything extended pertaining to gun ownership. One biography describes him as "anti-NRA", and he seems to be the type who goes a bit to the extremes, so my money would be on "no guns", but I see where you're coming from.

DeltaPunch: In any case it's a very interesting book that deserves a deeper look no matter who you are...


Well, the same could be said about Twilight or Shock Headed Pete. I find the Mary Sue-like nature of the novel to be a bit too obvious, reminding me of too many fantasy/sci-fi novels I devoured as a young nerd (I read Ender's Game about 2 years ago, a bit past beyond my impressionable teenage phase). And the conclusion of basically exonerating him from genocide, making him just a victim is a bit too much. Although I do think that the "Hitler apology" accusation is a bit far-fetched.
 
2012-12-06 11:39:14 AM
WHAR GRAFF WHA... oh, right.
 
2012-12-06 12:32:44 PM
www.dvdtalk.com

All of you meat-bags can bite my shiny metal ass!
 
2012-12-06 12:32:54 PM

StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.


I thought that tattoo was Diamond Age? Or maybe I'm thinking of the gun implanted into the forehead. Regardless, Snow Crash would make a great movie with a right screenplay. Just seeing a nuclear-powered gatling gun in action would be worth the price of the ticket.
 
2012-12-06 01:17:58 PM

The Onion is prophetic: dugitman: The Onion is prophetic: I've never thought that book would adapt well to a movie... I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes going in to it. I've read the book probably at least two hundred times, and of all the books in the 'Enderverse', I think it would be the toughest to bring to life.

Really? The first book(my favorite scifi book fwiw) is not an overly complicated story. I've always thought it would be a great movie.

I think the problem I have with a movie is that it's a very straightforward story, but that's not good enough for anyone in Hollywood, so they're going to add in a bunch of crap... I wouldn't doubt if they tried to do some stupid love story between Ender and Petra. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but knowing what Hollywood does to things, I'm betting they're going to fark it all up.


You mean like lens flares and stuff?
 
2012-12-06 01:19:17 PM

Night Night Cream Puff: Just read Ender's Game a few weeks ago. Disappointed to see that Hollywood went the safe route and used older kids. I understand why they did it, but I think seeing kids of equivalent ages to the book would have been more disturbing. Which is sort of the point. The book was okay, if not predicatble, but is worth the read. I probably would have loved the book if I read it back in junior high.


I agree. The audience is supposed to be disturbed that society took very young children and turned them into weapons. And I'm not sure Ender's sense of isolation is going to come across in an older kid who only spends maybe a year away from home.
 
2012-12-06 02:33:02 PM

quizzical: Night Night Cream Puff: Just read Ender's Game a few weeks ago. Disappointed to see that Hollywood went the safe route and used older kids. I understand why they did it, but I think seeing kids of equivalent ages to the book would have been more disturbing. Which is sort of the point. The book was okay, if not predicatble, but is worth the read. I probably would have loved the book if I read it back in junior high.

I agree. The audience is supposed to be disturbed that society took very young children and turned them into weapons. And I'm not sure Ender's sense of isolation is going to come across in an older kid who only spends maybe a year away from home.


Yeah, I think they decided "Well, damn it all, we're going to make it a movie and if only a small portion of the original work survives the translation, then so bloody be it." The time frame just can't collapse down into one movie (or even get the same effect in a series of movies), Hollywood just can't pull off the "young children as murderers/even just having the capacity for tremendous violence." Our modern age has surpassed that world in technology in some ways (the nets vs. modern internet just doesn't work... you have to project yourself back to a world where the internet as we know it doesn't exist for it to make any sense).

The movie might well be entertaining, but by necessity the story it tells won't be the same story we find in the book.
 
2012-12-06 02:43:07 PM

DeltaPunch: mhd: /It's Twilight for bullied nerds

I'm willing to bet a million bucks Card owns a firearm. Something about the way Ender constantly fights back... he gets picked on and ALWAYS retaliates, smashes the other guy's nose, etc. There's no subtlety at all in this philosophy... complete catharsis for nerds, or anyone afraid of bullies. Card seems like the type of guy who's "got mah gun and ain't afraid to use it."


No, Ender never retaliated. He never even wanted to fight, but when he's forced into a fight he always made sure to inflict enough damage so he would never fight that person again.
 
2012-12-06 02:47:12 PM
meh
 
2012-12-06 02:52:26 PM

akula: Hollywood just can't pull off the "young children as murderers/even just having the capacity for tremendous violence.".


I remember the 'training' montage from 300. That kid pulled off kicking ass in order to survive quite well.
 
2012-12-06 02:53:56 PM
BEEEEAAAANNNNNN
 
2012-12-06 02:56:51 PM

DeltaPunch:
The idea was that to defeat an enemy intellectually regardless of skill or power, you have to KNOW your enemy. You have to know them so well that you need to be able to understand their desires, hopes, perspectives, values and dreams. You need to know them as they know themselves. But when you can empathize that well with another, you will also love them as they love themselves. Then and only then can you destroy them regardless of power. A moderate chess player can study a much better opponent and learn their strategies and tendencies to a point where they can beat them from a lesser kill level. You play the opponent not the game.

That's a good analysis, thanks.


I think i kinda paraphrased Ender's own words from when he was convalescing with Val back on Earth. My own analysis would be much less pithy.

/Super smart boy does well in school then plays some video games eventually gets to fly a helicopter so he writes a book about his brother.
 
2012-12-06 03:15:37 PM
Bringing to life those "complicated" emotions was made easier by the fact that the recruits in the film are a bit older than the Launchies

A BIT older? They're, like, twice the age! I know it would be extremely hard to produce the film with an age appropriate cast, but it takes away a LOT from the story. It was a big deal for a number of reasons. It speaks more highly of Ender's abilities that he's able to do what he does at such a young age. It adds poignancy to the fact that he's leaving his family. His age sets the stage for a lot of the emotional journey he undergoes...

Despite that change, Hood wants fans of the novel to know that he holds Ender's Game, the book, in high esteem. (We already know he maintained the emotion-monitoring chip on the back of Ender's neck.)

That wasn't an emotion monitoring chip... What does it say about you when you claim you hold the book in high esteem and then proceed to get something like that wrong? The chip allowed the government to literally monitor everything going on in his life. It let them see what he saw, hear what he heard, etc.

If these are the kinds of things they can't get right, really basic concepts, it makes me wonder what else they'll fark up. Will Ender kill Bonzo in the shower or are they going to water that down for the general masses? Maybe he should just beat him up and Bonzo will be washed out. Are we going to get to know exactly how evil Peter is? Do we get to see him vivisecting animals in the woods? Or will he just be a bully of a footnote in Ender's life?
 
2012-12-06 03:21:00 PM
Also, while I'm here, if you liked Ender's Game, read The Worthing Saga. Another OSC book. I really liked it.
 
mhd
2012-12-06 03:39:34 PM

Gilligann: He never even wanted to fight, but when he's forced into a fight he always made sure to inflict enough damage so he would never fight that person again.


And we are constantly assured that Ender killing other boys is out of the best reasons, purely rational, and that he is the victim. And as he didn't know of the fatal consequences of this (and, arguably, didn't intend them), he's innocent.

Intention is everything. Good people can't do bad things. And Ender, was we're told over and over again, is good. Honestly, I thought the Dresden novels were exercises in a self-pitying hero, but OSC basically has only this one theme in the book. So there we've got the hero who kills a small boy by kicking him in the nads, and all that the book focuses on is Ender's suffering.

For a Mary Sue story, it's better written than My Immortal, I give it that...
 
jvl
2012-12-06 03:50:29 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: I totally dug the Homecoming series, except the last book, which was just batshiat crazy and made zero sense.


I hated the series, despite desperately hoping that some good would come from reading them. If I understand correctly, it is actually the Book of Mormon or some such reimagined into the future.

Confabulat: Then the dude whines about gay people and clings to his Mormonism


Damn that guy who thinks Gay People are born that way rather than thinking it's a choice and writes gay people into his stories because people in real life are often gay! Damn him to heck!

And as an aside, I really like the first of the new prequel books about the first Bugger invasion.
 
2012-12-06 04:01:33 PM

Andrew Wiggin: meh


HA!

HAHA!

Seriously, best post you could have put in this thread.
 
2012-12-06 05:04:44 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Ender's Game would work much better as an animated feature? That way the ages of the kids wouldn't be a problem, you could do the Zero-G battle rooms with no problem, and you could create a visual world that suits the tone and message of the book without having to add as much dialogue and set design to do the extra work for you.
 
2012-12-06 05:33:26 PM

sabreWulf07: StopLurkListen: As we're on the subject of sci-fi books, "Snow Crash" should be a movie.

I don't care that the author's idea of an internet is dated and bizarre. Like going from FARK to CNN requires driving across a simulated planet.

OK, I just want the "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo on my forehead.

I thought that tattoo was Diamond Age? Or maybe I'm thinking of the gun implanted into the forehead. Regardless, Snow Crash would make a great movie with a right screenplay. Just seeing a nuclear-powered gatling gun in action would be worth the price of the ticket.


The Poor Impulse Control tattoo was in Snow Crash - it belonged to Raven, the Eskimo riding around California on a motorcycle with a hydrogen bomb rigged to go off upon his death. Uncle Enzo fights him at the end of the book, and Hiro Protagonist deals with him on the Interwebs.
 
2012-12-06 06:26:42 PM
i guess i know where i'll be the night it opens.
 
2012-12-06 06:47:34 PM
img2.timeinc.net

That belongs in a museum!
 
amo [TotalFark]
2012-12-06 08:17:12 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: natmar_76: Nice. They nailed the set and costume design. It fits the book and what I imagined, tbqh.

I concur. Also, which way is the enemy base?


The enemy's gate is down.

airsupport: The Viewer's Expectations are DOWN!


*golf clap*
 
2012-12-06 08:39:02 PM

YodaBlues: stupiddream:
On another note, I liked Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but the rest were tedious. I hope they can get the violence right. That was one of the shocking things of the books. Smart kids being brutal. I think that is why the actors are all older, so that they can be convincing as calculating killers.

Yeah, I'm ok with the age thing. I mean, it would be nice to see the kids as younger and everything, it does ratchet up the brutality, but people need to think of this from a movie making perspective: you would need to find a good number of quality child actors who can pull it off. And most kid actors, frankly, suck.

Remember, Jake Lloyd was attached to play Ender after Phantom Menace hit the theaters. *SHUDDER*


Phantom Menace was not Jake Lloyd's fault.
 
2012-12-06 08:40:58 PM
This is the first sight of Harrison Ford wearing any kind of space outfit since Return of the Jedi almost 30 damn years ago. I'm prepared to be disappointed but I can't help but squee a little.
 
2012-12-06 08:48:53 PM

Bith Set Me Up: [img2.timeinc.net image 510x380]

That belongs in a museum!


They're too old. It needs to have a 'child soldier of sierra leone' feel. Which means this should be done by anybody but an American company.
 
2012-12-07 12:18:27 AM

Galactica Actual: Am I the only one who thinks Ender's Game would work much better as an animated feature? That way the ages of the kids wouldn't be a problem, you could do the Zero-G battle rooms with no problem, and you could create a visual world that suits the tone and message of the book without having to add as much dialogue and set design to do the extra work for you.


I just listened to Ender's Game on audiobook over Thanksgiving and thought the same thing. I imagine it in the anime style like the Star Wars cartoon or Full Metal Alchemist. The story requires a lot of internal narration and quick action, which I think the anime style is able to do well. I think a Pixar 3-D style would be cheesy.

Okoboji: The Onion is prophetic: I wouldn't doubt if they tried to do some stupid love story between Ender and Petra. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but knowing what Hollywood does to things, I'm betting they're going to fark it all up.

It's Hollywood... I'd be willing to say that you can bank on that happening.


The version I listened to was the 20th anniversary edition. There was an extra bit at the end where Card talked about a movie being in the works (2008 I think). It was pretty funny and detailed how he wanted to stay true to the book while the studios kept trying to screw him out of that. Every studio basically said that they needed to make the characters 16 with a love story so they could sell tickets to teeny boppers on dates. If the studios would agree to kids with no love story they would pull sneaky shiat like burying a clause somewhere in the contract that said something to the effect of, "The characters can be 12+/- 4 years" to allow them to make everyone 16. 

Card seemed to really like the studio, the actors, and thought it was a good adaptation because...


**SPOILER ALERT***
...he blended Ender's Game with Ender's Shadow so that they could make a lot of things that go on in Ender's head show up on screen in his interactions with Bean. Apparently the film is framed as the competition between Ender and Bean so that you don't actually know who will be the commander until the end.

**SPOILER ALERT***
 
2012-12-07 01:46:09 AM

RogermcAllen: I think a Pixar 3-D style would be cheesy.


Of course a Pixar one would be cheesy.

Almost cartoon kid gloves of Pixar =/= Entirety of what's possible with 3D rendering.

Take Final Fantasy, then forget it, that was a while back.........Beowulf was damn good in my opinion. the technology has come a long ways since Shrek and Monsters Inc.

I don't think anime/cartoons would do the story justice. It's fine for some more shallow works, but you lose a lot of nuance with simple pen and ink drawings. Sure, there are tricks to get around some of that, and some may have an infatuation with the stylized animations(bronies anyone). But as an art form, it's extremely limited.
 
2012-12-07 05:42:06 PM
too long of a wait!! want movie noooooooooooow
 
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