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(io9)   List of the ten most outrageous Creationists' claims to counter scientific theories. Basically, it all boils down to "Science can't explain 'X' 100%, therefore Jesus riding on a Raptor"   (io9.com) divider line 289
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2012-12-06 12:47:46 AM  
"God moves in mysterious ways, therefore probability."

Well, that's not gonna inspire anyone.

Anyone: "what was God doing before creation?"
St. Augustine: "God was preparing Hell for people who ask such questions."

But really, if you're going to go with "The God of the Gaps," why not ask why "If life on Earth was so complicated that it could not have sprung up without a greater being creating it, then what created God, whom I assume is a bit more complex? Follow through with it.
 
2012-12-06 12:47:47 AM  
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

― Isaac Asimov

"Blah blah blah. Liberal hooey."
 
2012-12-06 12:54:13 AM  

douchebag/hater: I say this as an ex-believer:

And btw: whenTF are you gonna start making 'Mohammed on a dinosaur' comments?
What's wrong? Chickenshiat?


I make fun of Christians for pairing their religious figures with dinosaurs. To my knowledge, Muslims don't do that. If they did, I'd laugh at them, too.
Here's Adam and his velociraptor.

i1260.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-06 12:56:41 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: If there is a God or Creator, he did an extremely bad job of creating.

I, a lowly human being, can think of major improvements for living things, such as

-instantaneous adaptation for any situation, such as growing wings to escape a landbound predator, developing gills in case of water landing or flash flood, body systems that can be actually controlled, shut down, and regulated consciously by the creature
-remodel the male reproductive system so that you don't pee and spooge from the same opening
-being able to consciously decide whether or not to hold onto excess nutrition as fat, as well as metabolize fat before demanding actual food
-fix all of the genetic malfunctions that cause cancer, sickle-cell anemia, baldness, etc

And boom, a lot of problems solved.

/of course, in the beginning everything was perfect, until God threw a hissy fit so big he cursed all of creation to be farked up, because he put something he didn't want Adam and Eve touching right in the middle of the garden with no fence or anything, and he sucked at keeping an eye out for his only nemesis, Lucifer
//sounds like this God fellow really isn't all-seeing, all-knowing, or all-loving


Also:

- Our spine kinda sucks for bipedal use. You could do a lot better.
- Our taste buds are kind of wired to lead us to foods that aren't very good for us.
- The appendix. What the fark.
 
2012-12-06 01:02:52 AM  
If you can't get Pat Farking Robertson to agree that your position has merit, you've lost.
 
2012-12-06 01:08:46 AM  

Absurdity: I've actually had some experience with tje religious right, and it is scary. When I was a kid, my parents, who are educated and intelligent joined a pretty crazy church. My parent's issue was that they were 100% against abortion, so they joined a place that addressed that without anticipating all the rest of the derp that would come with it.

Anyway 6-year-old me comes home from Sunday school with a pamphlet saying that humans and dinosaurs coexisted. I remember hoping that was true because it would be awesome, but it didn't match what I had learned on school so I went to my dad for clarification.

Let's just say we never went back to that church again. My parents are still religious, and I don't press it because it makes them happy. Also, they are the "good" kind who try to help their community rather than spewing BS.

Also Bush II was the last straw for their support for the right. They both switched their registration to Democrat in 2004.

/end CSB


I'm curious. What's their position on birth control?
 
2012-12-06 01:15:21 AM  

Ivandrago: douchebag/hater: I say this as an ex-believer:

And btw: whenTF are you gonna start making 'Mohammed on a dinosaur' comments?
What's wrong? Chickenshiat?

I make fun of Christians for pairing their religious figures with dinosaurs. To my knowledge, Muslims don't do that. If they did, I'd laugh at them, too.
Here's Adam and his velociraptor.

[i1260.photobucket.com image 453x604]


Where's the raptor?
 
2012-12-06 01:33:16 AM  
www.11points.com
 
2012-12-06 01:38:05 AM  
HeartBurnKid:

Our spine kinda sucks for bipedal use. You could do a lot better.

Tell me about your spine.

You can't use logic to argue someone out of a position that they didn't use logic to reach in the first place.
 
2012-12-06 01:38:08 AM  
Noah was 600 years old when God told him to build an ark. 6000 year old earth.
 
2012-12-06 01:38:26 AM  

Ivandrago: Kurmudgeon: None of the things listed in the article are referenced in The Bible.
False comparison is false.
Who are these "creationists" anyway? I saw tons of accusations yet no names to go with.
You'd think by 2012, the straw man argument would be out of usage, yet, there it is.
Ah well, your bias will lead you if you let it.

These are the creationists.
I took this at the Creation Museum near the Cincinnati Airport. Obviously there's enough of these people to support a whole museum. This one is my personal favorite.
I've got plenty more where that came from, too.

[i1260.photobucket.com image 604x453]


Biogeographical even! See, it's all sciency! Says so right on the sign! Praise JAYZUS!
 
2012-12-06 01:42:17 AM  

dmars: douchebag/hater: And btw: whenTF are you gonna start making 'Mohammed on a dinosaur' comments?
What's wrong? Chickenshiat?

If we made fun of Mohammed then christians would end up agreeing with us. Where is the fun in that.

In all seriousness, if you weren't mentally challenged you would realize that the majority of religious people that post on fark are christian and not Muslim. It is the same reason you find more viruses for windows and not macs. More people use windows. Going for the larger audience here.


Well, there's that and the fact that Mohammad didn't time travel like Jesus did.

See, Mohammed was a prophet, not a supernatural being,
 
2012-12-06 01:43:55 AM  
I wanted to post a memeish anti-creationist pic, but I found this instead.

icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com

You're welcome.
 
2012-12-06 01:47:51 AM  

Ivandrago: Kurmudgeon: None of the things listed in the article are referenced in The Bible.
False comparison is false.
Who are these "creationists" anyway? I saw tons of accusations yet no names to go with.
You'd think by 2012, the straw man argument would be out of usage, yet, there it is.
Ah well, your bias will lead you if you let it.

These are the creationists.
I took this at the Creation Museum near the Cincinnati Airport. Obviously there's enough of these people to support a whole museum. This one is my personal favorite.
I've got plenty more where that came from, too.


Sometimes I'm so stunned by the sheer creativity in things like this it makes me feel small and inadequate.
 
2012-12-06 01:54:30 AM  
This may be apocryphal, I'm looking for a source, but...

"If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences."

H. P. Lovecraft
 
2012-12-06 01:54:35 AM  

douchebag/hater: I say this as an ex-believer:
As for atheists: STFU, also. People believe things, let them believe what they want.
You are not better for your supposed enlightenment in the way you treat and your attitude toward the religious.
You are giving 'tolerance' a bad name.

In fact you are just as bad, if not worse, than most fundamentalists.


Atheists are as bad as fundementalists?

Number of laws enacted to force atheist behaviour upon others: Zero
Number of planes flown into buildings in the name of atheism: Zero
Number of atheists who have bombed or shot or otherwise maimed athiests in Northern Island for not sharing the exact smae version of atheism: Zero
Number of times atheists have threatened me with eternal torture: Zero
Number of people discriminated against because of what it says in the atheist holy book: Zero
Number of witches tortured to death in the name of atheism: Zero
Number of wars started specifically to spread the word of atheism: Zero
Number of times atheists have knocked on my door and preached at me: Zero
Number of times atheists have tried to disrupt a funeral to spread a message of hate and intolerance: Zero
Number of mutilations performed in the name of atheism: Zero
Number of honour killings by atheists: Zero

But yes, they are clearly just as bad as the religious fundementalists.
 
2012-12-06 01:57:02 AM  

maxheck: But really, if you're going to go with "The God of the Gaps," why not ask why "If life on Earth was so complicated that it could not have sprung up without a greater being creating it, then what created God, whom I assume is a bit more complex? Follow through with it.


God of the gaps

Vs

Turtles all the way down
 
2012-12-06 01:58:32 AM  
You fail at this i09

How about the craters on the moon being created by the same forces that caused Noah's flood? Yes, you read that right, there is a 'well respected' creationist contributor to conservopedia who explains the craters on the moon... As being caused by the flood.

How you say? The force of the earth splitting open along the ridges under the ocean. There was water under the crust and the pressure was enough that when the earth split open it propelled water with enough force to reach escape velocity, creating chunks of ice, that then hit the moon and caused craters. He's quite certain that if you look around the moon long enough you will even find bits of fossilized sea life.

Oh there's a whole hell of a lot more stupid from that same guy that goes along with that, but I think that's enough.
 
2012-12-06 02:02:09 AM  
Here's the official atheist position*, don't make me repeat it.

We don't give a shiat what you believe. No, really. I just don't want to have to hear about it or be affected by it in any way.
And you can't abuse your kids with it.

Do what you want to yourself, believe whatever nonsense you'd like. You can even be terminally stupid such as shunning medicine, go for it! If you can adhere the above...how the fark is anyone going to have a problem with you?

*there is no official position because atheists are merely people who don't have belief. Believers are atheists too about all the other gods they don't believe in. We're just taking it to its logical conclusion.
 
2012-12-06 02:06:28 AM  

Kurmudgeon: None of the things listed in the article are referenced in The Bible.
False comparison is false.
Who are these "creationists" anyway? I saw tons of accusations yet no names to go with.
You'd think by 2012, the straw man argument would be out of usage, yet, there it is.
Ah well, your bias will lead you if you let it.


I met them with some regularity in good old Eugene, OR. They ignore my No Soliciting sign and try to proseltyze at me.

I've gotten pamphlets explaining why science was wrong from mostly Jehovah's Witnesses, but my wife actually recieved that "God doesn't believe in atheists" book by Ray Comfort from a creationist fundy she was acquaintences with.

I wanted to send "The God Delusion" in response, but was vetoed.
 
2012-12-06 02:06:47 AM  
I don't understand how anyone can say with a straight face that things in nature are to complicated to come around naturally and therefore must have had a creator. If a watch can only exist because a man made it and man can only exist because god made it then doesn't this mean that god can only exist because super god mad it? After all a less complex thing could not create a more complex thing so by their own logic god is irrelevant on a cosmic scale merely having been created by a greater super being that was in turn created by an even greater being continued into infinity.
 
2012-12-06 02:10:34 AM  
Lady Indica:

Here's the official atheist position*, don't make me repeat it.

And the official position of herded cats is... "Were you saying something about your beliefs? Because I don't recall listening to whatever official position you were just talking about."
 
2012-12-06 02:11:29 AM  

Ishkur: [www.11points.com image 520x545]


shiat. As an Electrical Engineer/ Physicist, I guess I'm going to be out of a job since electricity doesn't exist
 
2012-12-06 02:15:01 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Ivandrago: douchebag/hater: I say this as an ex-believer:

And btw: whenTF are you gonna start making 'Mohammed on a dinosaur' comments?
What's wrong? Chickenshiat?

I make fun of Christians for pairing their religious figures with dinosaurs. To my knowledge, Muslims don't do that. If they did, I'd laugh at them, too.
Here's Adam and his velociraptor.

[i1260.photobucket.com image 453x604]

Where's the raptor?


i375.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-06 02:24:40 AM  

douchebag/hater: As for atheists: STFU, also. People believe things, let them believe what they want.You are not better for your supposed enlightenment in the way you treat and your attitude toward the religious.You are giving 'tolerance' a bad name.


People are free to believe whatever they want. That's fine.

The problem is that some of them are using political pressure to force schools to teach non-science in science class. I am not sure exactly why, it may have to do with their beliefs being threatened by scientific theory, or perhaps it is an attempt to hijack the reputation that science has earned over the past 500 years or so in order to lend credibility to their religious beliefs. Either way it doesn't matter. Creationism, intelligent design, or whatever you may want to call it this week isn't quantifiable, it isn't science, and it doesn't belong in science class any more than a discussion on quadratic equations belongs in a class on medieval English literature.

if those ideas are to be taught then they need to go on topic, as part of a comprehensive course on philosophy and critical analysis.

Which is, incidentally, where it was covered in my school, more or less. In philosophy class. It wasn't about the development of life specifically, but the exact same statement about intelligence needed to explain the complexity of the universe was mentioned as one of several arguments from the Scholastics in the Middle Ages and Renaissance to prove the existence of God using logic and reason. Which, IMO, was perfectly acceptable as it wasn't represented as absolute fact or as science, but in its proper place as a part of the history of Western philosophy and as a basis to critically discuss the reasoning behind the various arguments. 

Sorry to bang on for so long about this. As your reward for reading, have a nice picture of a kitten.

www.photo-dictionary.com
 
2012-12-06 02:26:15 AM  

Ivandrago: Kurmudgeon: None of the things listed in the article are referenced in The Bible.
False comparison is false.
Who are these "creationists" anyway? I saw tons of accusations yet no names to go with.
You'd think by 2012, the straw man argument would be out of usage, yet, there it is.
Ah well, your bias will lead you if you let it.

These are the creationists.
I took this at the Creation Museum near the Cincinnati Airport. Obviously there's enough of these people to support a whole museum. This one is my personal favorite.
I've got plenty more where that came from, too.

[i1260.photobucket.com image 604x453]


Wh... What? That's a real photo from a real "museum"? Oh, boy...
 
2012-12-06 02:32:45 AM  

Ivandrago: To my knowledge, Muslims don't do that.


Only because you can be killed for making an image of their religious heroes.

On the other hand, the Koran has Djinn. Aladin isn't a bedtime story, it's fact.

Kinda interesting.
 
2012-12-06 02:38:09 AM  

Wayne 985: Wh... What? That's a real photo from a real "museum"? Oh, boy...


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-06 02:53:43 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: 3. The "Vapor Canopy". This is the idea that before Noah's flood, there was a gigantic "canopy" of water vapor, clouds, ice, or whatever in the vicinity of the upper atmosphere. This canopy supposedly blocked out UV the UV part of the spectrum (preventing cancer, aging, etc.), caused the atmospheric pressure to be much higher (contributing to animal and human gigantism,) and causing the entire surface of the earth to have a tropical climate. When God wanted to flood the Earth, he disrupted the canopy causing it to rain for 40 days and 40 nights. The main difficulties with this theory are that the math doesn't work out at all, and that there's no evidence for it.


This one is my absolute favorite one ever. And supposedly the Deluge carved out the grand canyon. Like God unzipped the sky and it just blasted out the whole Colorado River. Or something. It's just the most insane BS.
 
2012-12-06 02:54:23 AM  

randomjsa: You fail at this i09

How about the craters on the moon being created by the same forces that caused Noah's flood? Yes, you read that right, there is a 'well respected' creationist contributor to conservopedia who explains the craters on the moon... As being caused by the flood.

How you say? The force of the earth splitting open along the ridges under the ocean. There was water under the crust and the pressure was enough that when the earth split open it propelled water with enough force to reach escape velocity, creating chunks of ice, that then hit the moon and caused craters. He's quite certain that if you look around the moon long enough you will even find bits of fossilized sea life.

Oh there's a whole hell of a lot more stupid from that same guy that goes along with that, but I think that's enough.


WTH???? A randomJSA post that's not idiotic? Oh wait.. (checks tab).. I'm in the geek not politics tab, carry on.

/still amazed
 
2012-12-06 03:10:44 AM  

douchebag/hater: In fact you are just as bad, if not worse, than most fundamentalists.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-12-06 03:11:44 AM  

Mayhem_2006: douchebag/hater: I say this as an ex-believer:
As for atheists: STFU, also. People believe things, let them believe what they want.
You are not better for your supposed enlightenment in the way you treat and your attitude toward the religious.
You are giving 'tolerance' a bad name.

In fact you are just as bad, if not worse, than most fundamentalists.

Atheists are as bad as fundementalists?

Number of laws enacted to force atheist behaviour upon others: Zero
Number of planes flown into buildings in the name of atheism: Zero
Number of atheists who have bombed or shot or otherwise maimed athiests in Northern Island for not sharing the exact smae version of atheism: Zero
Number of times atheists have threatened me with eternal torture: Zero
Number of people discriminated against because of what it says in the atheist holy book: Zero
Number of witches tortured to death in the name of atheism: Zero
Number of wars started specifically to spread the word of atheism: Zero
Number of times atheists have knocked on my door and preached at me: Zero
Number of times atheists have tried to disrupt a funeral to spread a message of hate and intolerance: Zero
Number of mutilations performed in the name of atheism: Zero
Number of honour killings by atheists: Zero

But yes, they are clearly just as bad as the religious fundementalists.


You never heard of a guy named Joseph Stalin, did you? He was an atheist dedicated to ending religion. He was responsible for more murders than any other single person in history. All zealots are dangerous. It doesn't matter which religion they're zealous for. It's the "zealot" part that is dangerous.
 
2012-12-06 03:11:53 AM  
"According to Genesis, most of the Flood water came from underground - what resulted in warmer than average oceans and a significant increase in global snowfall."

Huh, warmer oceans -> more moisture in the air -> more snow. Where have I seen that particular claim mocked and made fun of endlessly?

avideditor.files.wordpress.com


The take home message here is that global warming deniers are shockingly even dumber than creationists.


/image is hot, of course
 
2012-12-06 03:12:32 AM  

Ishkur: douchebag/hater: In fact you are just as bad, if not worse, than most fundamentalists.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 373x330]


BE superior. Not FEEL superior. That mistake in that particular comic is quite annoying.
 
2012-12-06 03:30:41 AM  

untaken_name: You never heard of a guy named Joseph Stalin, did you? He was an atheist dedicated to ending religion.


Stalin and Hitler were not atheists. Not once did they rant in any of their speeches that their enemies must be eliminated for the sake of secular humanism and rational inquiry. Rather, what they did was establish systems of moral absolutes with state theocracies, oppressive social obedience and strict political doctrine replacing scripture. Essentially: Political ideology as church, with themselves as God.

The whole "who committed more atrocities" argument is a mutually assured destruction debate tactic anyway. Do you really want to count them all up? Christians wiped out two entire continents and an entire race of people. And not only did they commit genocide to others, they committed genocide to themselves (the greatest enemy to Christians has always been other Christians: Quite possibly up to 50 million in just the wars of the Reformation....20 million in the 30 years war alone). But do these numbers make any argument better? Do you feel better about your side if you can tally it up and show that your beliefs only killed a few million less than their beliefs? Does that make it more right?

Today's Christians should not have to answer for every past atrocity done in the name of Christianity, just as today's atheists should not have to answer for every past atrocity done in the name of atheism (which is technically none...but even if you threw in Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot or anyone else who wasn't Christian or an atheist, that still doesn't justify either argument).
 
2012-12-06 03:50:38 AM  

Kurmudgeon: None of the things listed in the article are referenced in The Bible.
False comparison is false.
Who are these "creationists" anyway? I saw tons of accusations yet no names to go with.
You'd think by 2012, the straw man argument would be out of usage, yet, there it is.
Ah well, your bias will lead you if you let it.


Let me get that last nail for you...

So, you never venture out onto Youtube? Never heard of Answers in Genesis? The Dover trial? The Texas Board of Education? Hell, I've got Young Earth Creationists in my office at work. But you just go on lying if it helps you hide from the embarrassing fact that a frightening number of your fellow Christians are complete morons.
 
2012-12-06 03:56:38 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: and he sucked at keeping an eye out for his only nemesis, Lucifer


How can Lucifer be a nemesis? Angels do not have free will. Only humans (and God) have free will. Lucifer can only do what God wants him to do.
 
2012-12-06 04:04:36 AM  

Ishkur: [www.11points.com image 520x545]


That can't possibly be real... wait. Bob Jones? *sigh*
 
2012-12-06 04:17:41 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Keizer_Ghidorah: and he sucked at keeping an eye out for his only nemesis, Lucifer

How can Lucifer be a nemesis? Angels do not have free will. Only humans (and God) have free will. Lucifer can only do what God wants him to do.


I thought the whole fallen angel thing was an extrapolation of a few verses by milton and dante
 
2012-12-06 04:18:54 AM  

HighZoolander: "According to Genesis, most of the Flood water came from underground - what resulted in warmer than average oceans and a significant increase in global snowfall."

Huh, warmer oceans -> more moisture in the air -> more snow. Where have I seen that particular claim mocked and made fun of endlessly?

[avideditor.files.wordpress.com image 480x233]


The take home message here is that global warming deniers are shockingly even dumber than creationists.


/image is hot, of course


You are saying that because you read it in a creationist pamphlet that makes it true and that creationists are on the button?

Obviously we should stop mocking the creationists. It`s settled. Don`t be a creation denier.
 
2012-12-06 04:49:23 AM  

Gordon Bennett: I am not sure exactly why, it may have to do with their beliefs being threatened by scientific theory, or perhaps it is an attempt to hijack the reputation that science has earned over the past 500 years or so in order to lend credibility to their religious beliefs. Either way it doesn't matter.


Subconsciously they fear science, for as you say, it challenges their faith(and wins when you get down to it), or rather, the explanations they've been taught that support their faith. Whatever, you got the sentiment right. Also works consciously(they see information as an attack), almost like a learned paranoia.

Anyway, that's pretty self explanatory if you're in the right frame of mind. The following is what I find truly interesting.

It's also a holdover from, well, really, when religion got it's start. If I lie and tell you I have knowledge X or power y, in order to garner power and respect and to get you to do my bidding.....and if you believe it...well, the obvious danger to my gained status is you learning otherwise. So, to retain that power, I've got to keep contrary factual information from you.

It's psychologically/socially genius of course, it has become a self sustaining action, the religious, even those with absolutely zero power, employ the forced ignorance technique.

In that way, religion is a marvel. Sure, people like suicide bomber recruiters have an easy time of it, befriend a troubled youth and give him hope that the desperate and weak will latch onto. That's an ugly and crude trick really, but to build a set of rules that will self perpetuate like that is a fine work of art. Sure, some of it is the act of indoctrination of children, but much of it is in the structure of the religion itself.

On that note, and here is where it get's crazy. Ever read Rant from Chuck Phalanuik(however the hell you spell his name)?
He notes that parents teach their kids how to believe. Things like santa, the bogey man, etc, it's all conditioning / priming. He does not take it quite so far as to say it's priming them for religion, but you can almost hear him type it, and then hit backspace, it's that close to what he's saying.

It's a sort of messed up book and neat things like that come in tiny portions, with an odd backdrop, mysticism mixed with sci-fi and dystopia, and it's in an odd format.(as if it's a bunch of answers from interviews and snippets from oral stories) It's a fun read if you can handle it. (Also gets to "gross out" stages, kind of assures that no christians will read it talking about, well, I don't want to push the limits of fark..., i certainly don't have sensitive proprieties but it gets dirrrty and I'd rather keep my posting privelages)
 
2012-12-06 05:08:35 AM  

omeganuepsilon: That's an ugly and crude trick really, but to build a set of rules that will self perpetuate like that is a fine work of art.


Well, the ones without that ability to perpetuate die off which only leaves the ones that are able to continue on. It's sorta like a certain theory that they're against.
 
2012-12-06 05:21:39 AM  

douchebag/hater: I say this as an ex-believer:

STFU about the 'Jesus on a dinosauer' meme.

It's boring and stupid.'

As for atheists: STFU, also. People believe things, let them believe what they want.
You are not better for your supposed enlightenment in the way you treat and your attitude toward the religious.
You are giving 'tolerance' a bad name.

In fact you are just as bad, if not worse, than most fundamentalists.

And btw: whenTF are you gonna start making 'Mohammed on a dinosaur' comments?
What's wrong? Chickenshiat?


I'am all for letting people believe what they want, I think the problem is when those people in charge use thier beliefs to make policy. (i.e. abortion, birth control, stem cell research) Don't try and force you're beliefs on others and there won't be problems.

Also, I don't care if you say that Muhammad is blowing Jesus while rising a dinosaur. The only thing in that scenario that actually existed was the dinosaur.
 
2012-12-06 05:21:51 AM  

Dracolich: omeganuepsilon: That's an ugly and crude trick really, but to build a set of rules that will self perpetuate like that is a fine work of art.

Well, the ones without that ability to perpetuate die off which only leaves the ones that are able to continue on. It's sorta like a certain theory that they're against.


Well, yeah. Hundreds(thousands if you include little cults) of religions have died off over the ages and we're seeing the "winners". Was already getting ranty and didn't want to make the post too long, nice to see you catch it though.

Can't give evolution all of the credit. It had a head start in that category even though it was a relative late bloomer. It got incorporated by the Romans, and that kind of guaranteed success for a while.
 
2012-12-06 05:28:39 AM  

jakepowers: Also, I don't care if you say that Muhammad is blowing Jesus while rising a dinosaur. The only thing in that scenario that actually existed was the dinosaur.


So what you're saying is that if you had a four-way road, in the middle was a crisp, new hundred dollar bill, and in the surrounding streets there are a male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian, Muhammed, Jesus and a dinosaur, the one that would get to the hundred dollar bill first is the dinosaur?
 
2012-12-06 05:43:25 AM  
Nobody says you can`t believe what you want.

The problem starts when we hear about it. This should not happen.

Believing something is not the same as shouting it on the street and getting people who think the same things as you to go into political office to change the law to match your belief and preaching everywhere about it.

Atheists just want you to stop forcing what you believe onto others.

If you were doing that then nobody would hear about your beliefs to reply to them in ways you don`t like.
 
2012-12-06 05:52:20 AM  

untaken_name: impaler: The "2+2 = 4" part of the statement is exactly equally true.

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"How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane."
 
2012-12-06 06:09:25 AM  
what a bunch of crap.

Jesus rode a T-Rex. His buddy Mohammad rode the raptor.
 
2012-12-06 06:22:38 AM  

red5ish: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

― Isaac Asimov

"Blah blah blah. Liberal hooey."


He's dead isn't he
 
2012-12-06 06:26:42 AM  
I'm not blind to scientific fact and so I believe in what science calls evolution, but still, there is one thing I wonder about. The laws of physics and nature. How did they come to be? Who or what ensures that they stay in force and cannot be broken?
 
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