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2012-12-05 04:44:11 PM  

Strongbeerrules: Maybe they should smoke a bowl to take their mind off their problems. Hope they don't get the munchies, though.



Cannabis seeds have a huge amount of nutritional value for their size.

"Seeds of the plant cannabis sativa, hemp seed, contain all the essential amino acids and essential fatty acids necessary to maintain healthy human life. No other single plant source has the essential amino acids in such an easily digestible form, nor has the essential fatty acids in as perfect a ratio to meet human nutritional needs."
 
2012-12-05 04:45:45 PM  

slackwater: By all means celebrate the use of crop land, water and other limited earth resources that could be used to feed the hungry being used to create recreational adult beverages.

Enjoy your booze after all it is just starving "brown people"

[cdn.videogum.com image 480x329]


Hey, man: no beer, no civilization. Deal with it.

Survival of the Sudsiest
 
2012-12-05 04:46:35 PM  

NobleHam: Slaves2Darkness: Worst amendments to the Constitution ever
1. 16th
2. 19th
3. 21st
4. 13th
5. 15th

Strom Thurmond? I thought you were dead.



I assume he's saying those are bad because its sad that we needed them in the first place.  Or else he wouldn't have put the 19th and 21st both on there.
 
2012-12-05 04:50:06 PM  
Ahhh. Anniversary. I am not good at the reads either.

Fark it. I'm gonna just go get drunk and forget this whole thread.
 
2012-12-05 04:55:15 PM  

NobleHam: slackwater: By all means celebrate the use of crop land, water and other limited earth resources that could be used to feed the hungry being used to create recreational adult beverages.

Enjoy your booze after all it is just starving "brown people"

[cdn.videogum.com image 480x329]

Buzzkill. There's enough food and water for everyone it's just poorly allocated. I do hope you don't eat anything organic, though, if you're so concerned about cropland.


The amount cropland under cultivation per captia has shown a steady decrease world wide along with decreased productivity. At the same time if current population trends continue we will need to produce 70% more food by 2050. Yet we are using cropland to grow fuel for vehicles, booze and even recreational drug use. None of this is the best use of a diminishing resource.

UN: farmers must produce 70% more food by 2050 to feed population

World Population, Agriculture, and Malnutrition

Then there is water. In China and India alone, the demand for water will exceed supplies in about 20 years

"With about one billion more mouths to feed worldwide by 2025, global agriculture alone will require another 1,000 cubic kilometers (one trillion cubic meters) of water per year."

World water crisis must be top UN priority: report

You really think we can afford to be using our resources for beer, pot or filling swimming pools?
 
2012-12-05 04:58:04 PM  

slackwater: NobleHam: slackwater: By all means celebrate the use of crop land, water and other limited earth resources that could be used to feed the hungry being used to create recreational adult beverages.

Enjoy your booze after all it is just starving "brown people"

[cdn.videogum.com image 480x329]

Buzzkill. There's enough food and water for everyone it's just poorly allocated. I do hope you don't eat anything organic, though, if you're so concerned about cropland.

The amount cropland under cultivation per captia has shown a steady decrease world wide along with decreased productivity. At the same time if current population trends continue we will need to produce 70% more food by 2050. Yet we are using cropland to grow fuel for vehicles, booze and even recreational drug use. None of this is the best use of a diminishing resource.

UN: farmers must produce 70% more food by 2050 to feed population

World Population, Agriculture, and Malnutrition

Then there is water. In China and India alone, the demand for water will exceed supplies in about 20 years

"With about one billion more mouths to feed worldwide by 2025, global agriculture alone will require another 1,000 cubic kilometers (one trillion cubic meters) of water per year."

World water crisis must be top UN priority: report

You really think we can afford to be using our resources for beer, pot or filling swimming pools?


Yes. Next question.
 
2012-12-05 04:58:57 PM  
Dam commie libtards destroyin ur county!!!!1!!!
 
2012-12-05 05:00:20 PM  

Carn: Yes. Next question.

 
2012-12-05 05:00:40 PM  

downstairs: NobleHam: Slaves2Darkness: Worst amendments to the Constitution ever
1. 16th
2. 19th
3. 21st
4. 13th
5. 15th

Strom Thurmond? I thought you were dead.


I assume he's saying those are bad because its sad that we needed them in the first place.  Or else he wouldn't have put the 19th and 21st both on there.


I don't get it.
 
2012-12-05 05:01:37 PM  

slackwater: You really think we can afford to be using our resources for beer, pot or filling swimming pools?



Cannabis uses a negligible amount of water compared to the other things you mentioned, they don't even belong in the same sentence. To make beer, you have to cultivate barley and hops crops. Crops require water to grow, not to mention the beer itself is mainly composed of water.

Why are you here typing on Fark anyway? Shouldnt you be out panhandling for the salvation army or volunteering for a charitable cause?
 
2012-12-05 05:02:27 PM  

jigger: What's weird is that right after the revolution, many of the 13 states revoked women's right to vote.


Probably because they realized women would vote for whomever offered them the most "free stuff". And by free stuff I mean paid for by tax payers. This reduced the chance of incumbents looting the treasury to buy votes.
 
2012-12-05 05:02:59 PM  

jigger: dv-ous: Maybe they pushed, maybe not - but since they couldn't vote when the 18th amendment was passed, it's ultimately not their fault.

They could vote in most states, which are needed to ratify any amendment. Link

[constitutioncenter.org image 500x320]

Really, Massachusetts?

What's weird is that right after the revolution, many of the 13 states revoked women's right to vote.


Would like to point something out here:

Montana placed it in their constitution that women could vote... in 1881.

Yep. We were the first.

As usual for Land of Awesome; the Feds said, "No. Only MEN may vote!"

So we did what we usually do when the Feds say we can't do something.

WE CHEATED WITH BOTH HANDS!

"All ballots shall be affixed with FIRST INITIAL, NO TITLE and last name."

Hard to tell Betta Olssonsonsonsonsson from Brag Olssonsonsonsonsson...
 
2012-12-05 05:03:00 PM  

slackwater: At the same time if current population trends continue we will need to produce 70% more food by 2050.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-12-05 05:03:13 PM  

onestr8: 79 anniversary subby? Is you not good at the maths?

The caption got the date wrong too but you "corrected" in the wrong direction, son.

Signed December 5 1932.

"Raise your glass in celebration of the 79th 81st anniversary of the 21st Amendment to the United States Constitution" 

FTFY


1933
 
2012-12-05 05:03:17 PM  
Prohibition was and is absolutely ridiculous. As someone has already said, the bill of rights should never be seen as limiting the rights of the people, but instead should always protect their rights from government intrusion.

I'm sitting here in the shade enjoying an Americano. Life is good.
 
2012-12-05 05:03:57 PM  

jigger: Theaetetus: jigger: xanadian: HOORAY WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE!!!

Wasn't it the wimmins that pushed the hardest for Prohibition?

Nope, that was the Temperance movement, led primarily by southern baptist ministers like Rev. Howard Hyde Russell of the Anti-Saloon League.
it was the wimmins that pushed the hardest for Prohibition's repeal, due to the increase in crime, including the Women's Moderation Union, the Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform, the Women's Committee for Repeal, the Molly Pitcher Club, etc.

Hey, I'm just going off the Ken Burns documentary.


The reason the camera is constantly zooming like that is because the operator is drunk and can't quite make out the details.
 
2012-12-05 05:12:00 PM  
I have pictures somewhere of my grand parents and great-uncle (in his police uniform) holding up glasses toasting that moment. They were drinking at a speak easy one minute and a respectable bar the next
 
2012-12-05 05:14:38 PM  

Carn: Doe, the stuff, that buys me beer
Ray, the guy who brings me beer
Me, the guy who drinks the beer
Fa, a long long way for beer
So, I think I'll have a beer
La, la la la la la beer
Tea, no thanks I'll have a beer
And that brings us back to beer!


BEEEEERR!!!!
 
2012-12-05 05:20:12 PM  
It's always amazed me how quickly America's breweries and distilleries were able to get back to production after being idle or retooled for legal goods for so long.

Thankfully the process must have been simple to remember, since the master distillers all came back to making good product after a dry spell.
 
2012-12-05 05:27:27 PM  

cyberspacedout: Crewmannumber6: To Volstead
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Toupee, also. Isn't that Patrick Stewart sitting down? Or did he have a combover in that one?


It's Albert Finney. And if you haven't seen Miller's Crossing, then I have nothing to say to you.
 
2012-12-05 05:28:15 PM  

jigger: xanadian: HOORAY WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE!!!

Wasn't it the wimmins that pushed the hardest for Prohibition?


Surprising number of "bedfellows" on Prohibition: Temperence leagues, racists, moralists of all stripes. Read the excellent book Last Call by Daniel Okrent for insight on the many attempts at prohibition, it's impact on the Amercian landscape, how it touched everything from the federal income tax to the creation of jazz.
 
2012-12-05 05:29:17 PM  

Gonz: It's always amazed me how quickly America's breweries and distilleries were able to get back to production after being idle or retooled for legal goods for so long.

Thankfully the process must have been simple to remember, since the master distillers all came back to making good product after a dry spell.


Actually Prohibition killed off a very large portion of our countries small breweries and led the way for the big guys to dominate. In the last 30ish years, we are finally seeing a resurgence of regional smaller breweries returning, with much higher quality beer. Back in the 19th centruy, almost any decent sized city had at least one brewery.

But yes, the ones that survived did manage to get on their feet rather quickly...
 
2012-12-05 05:32:10 PM  

Theaetetus: jigger: xanadian: HOORAY WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE!!!

Wasn't it the wimmins that pushed the hardest for Prohibition?

Nope, that was the Temperance movement, led primarily by southern baptist ministers like Rev. Howard Hyde Russell of the Anti-Saloon League.
it was the wimmins that pushed the hardest for Prohibition's repeal, due to the increase in crime, including the Women's Moderation Union, the Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform, the Women's Committee for Repeal, the Molly Pitcher Club, etc.


Women were supportive of prohibition because alcoholic men were seen as the cause of ruined families.

NYT's summary of Okrent:

Believing that women were more likely than men to support restrictions on alcohol, these leaders strongly supported women's suffrage. And when America entered World War I in 1917, they helped fan the flames of anti-German hysteria by accusing the Busch family and other brewers of harboring sympathies for the kaiser (a charge, not entirely untrue, that turned beer drinking into a disloyal act).
 
2012-12-05 05:32:56 PM  

Gonz: It's always amazed me how quickly America's breweries and distilleries were able to get back to production after being idle or retooled for legal goods for so long.

Thankfully the process must have been simple to remember, since the master distillers all came back to making good product after a dry spell.


My German immigrant great-grandfather brewed for Dutch Schultz in Milwaukee throughout Prohibition. I think it was Stroh's or PBR.
 
2012-12-05 05:33:47 PM  

Gonz: It's always amazed me how quickly America's breweries and distilleries were able to get back to production after being idle or retooled for legal goods for so long.

Thankfully the process must have been simple to remember, since the master distillers all came back to making good product after a dry spell.


There were roughly 700 breweries in operation shortly after Prohibition ended. Thanks to acquisitions and pro-large brewery regulations, that number hit 89 in the late 70s.

We are now at a 125 year high in number of breweries in the US (roughly 2200).

In 1873 there were almost 4000 breweries in the US. But we'll get there!
 
2012-12-05 05:34:05 PM  

Carn: Gonz: It's always amazed me how quickly America's breweries and distilleries were able to get back to production after being idle or retooled for legal goods for so long.

Thankfully the process must have been simple to remember, since the master distillers all came back to making good product after a dry spell.

Actually Prohibition killed off a very large portion of our countries small breweries and led the way for the big guys to dominate. In the last 30ish years, we are finally seeing a resurgence of regional smaller breweries returning, with much higher quality beer. Back in the 19th centruy, almost any decent sized city had at least one brewery.

But yes, the ones that survived did manage to get on their feet rather quickly...


To carry on the conversation with myself:

There were 1568 active breweries in the US in 1910. There were 498 in 1940. This went all the way down to 80 in 1983, the low point. As of 2009 we were back up to 1500, the most in the world. USA USA USA
 
2012-12-05 05:37:41 PM  

tricycleracer: Carn: Yes. Next question.


slackwater: Then there is water. In China and India alone, the demand for water will exceed supplies in about 20 years


China and India better be working on desalination plants.
 
2012-12-05 05:39:54 PM  

slackwater: The amount cropland under cultivation per captia has shown a steady decrease world wide along with decreased productivity. At the same time if current population trends continue we will need to produce 70% more food by 2050. Yet we are using cropland to grow fuel for vehicles, booze and even recreational drug use. None of this is the best use of a diminishing resource.


...so those of us who don't have kids can keep drinking, then? Aces.

/snipped
 
2012-12-05 05:43:55 PM  

SquiggsIN: bmr68: I have pictures somewhere of my grand parents and great-uncle (in his police uniform) holding up glasses toasting that moment. They were drinking at a speak easy one minute and a respectable bar the next

Does that mean pot dealers will be reputable businessmen (and women) the moment full decriminalization passes? After all they would be the coveted small-business owners the Republican party caters to, right?


If it was a legal business then I could see that happening. FYI: Marijuana was criminalized by the FDR administration in 1937
 
2012-12-05 06:10:46 PM  
Oh yes, American beer. Praise Roosevelt for that.
www.lulztruck.com
 
2012-12-05 06:23:53 PM  
Interestingly enough, no data suggests there was a surge in alcoholism following the repeal. Since this is one of the key arguments made by people still in favor of the drug war, I thought I'd point that out. All it the Amendment did was curb violence, produce revenue, and lighten the load on law enforcement/courts. Unthinkable!

Alcohol is available in every corner store (or specialty shop, depending on where you live). It doesn't mean you have to go there and get loaded. The majority of people treat it as an indulgence. I think you'll find this is how responsible adults new to the smoking world will treat legal marijuana. Those who already smoke regularly were going to keep smoking, anyway. A nationwide repeal would mean it's just a matter of sauntering down to the store instead of waiting for your guy who never shows up when he says he will.

I hate that guy.
 
2012-12-05 06:26:58 PM  

Broktun: tricycleracer: Carn: Yes. Next question.

slackwater: Then there is water. In China and India alone, the demand for water will exceed supplies in about 20 years

China and India better be working on desalination plants.


Nothing like addressing the symptom instead of the problem of over-population.
 
2012-12-05 06:30:04 PM  

bmr68: SquiggsIN: bmr68: I have pictures somewhere of my grand parents and great-uncle (in his police uniform) holding up glasses toasting that moment. They were drinking at a speak easy one minute and a respectable bar the next

Does that mean pot dealers will be reputable businessmen (and women) the moment full decriminalization passes? After all they would be the coveted small-business owners the Republican party caters to, right?

If it was a legal business then I could see that happening. FYI: Marijuana was criminalized by the FDR administration in 1937


I've been told that the average illegal drug dealer couldn't run a dry cleaner shop, so you might actually destroy tens of thousands of small businesses by making it possible for proper business people to operate against them.
 
2012-12-05 06:30:38 PM  

D_Evans45: So when are we gonna do the same with pot? We're all fine with people going to bars where half the people will drive home drunk, but god forbid you smoke a joint and relax tonight.

/Doesnt smoke


I agree- thousands die every year from cigarette smoking and alcohol-related deaths, but DRINK/SMOKE UP, JOHNNY!

/doesn't smoke either..
 
2012-12-05 06:32:36 PM  

slackwater: You really think we can afford to be using our resources for beer, pot or filling swimming pools?


depletedcranium.com

40% of the US corn crop goes into gas tanks.
 
2012-12-05 06:33:34 PM  

Crunch61: Broktun: tricycleracer: Carn: Yes. Next question.

slackwater: Then there is water. In China and India alone, the demand for water will exceed supplies in about 20 years

China and India better be working on desalination plants.

Nothing like addressing the symptom instead of the problem of over-population.


The best solution to overpopulation will be for all the whiners about overpopulation to kill themselves.
 
2012-12-05 06:41:00 PM  
My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

pic of great grandpa Buck. The bootlegger and philanderer. He got hit by a bus on the way to see mistress. True story.
i26.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-05 06:51:30 PM  

onestr8: 79 anniversary subby? Is you not good at the maths?

The caption got the date wrong too but you "corrected" in the wrong direction, son.

Signed December 5 1932.

"Raise your glass in celebration of the 79th 81st anniversary of the 21st Amendment to the United States Constitution" 

FTFY


Whatever source you're pulling that from is a year off. It was officially ratified Dec. 5, 1933.

Subby is right.
 
2012-12-05 06:55:30 PM  

wildcardjack: I've been told that the average illegal drug dealer couldn't run a dry cleaner shop, so you might actually destroy tens of thousands of small businesses by making it possible for proper business people to operate against them.



The average drug dealer might make minimum wage, and the risk factor can be huge for just those wages.

We've been led to believe that most drug dealers are thuggish villains who lay around doing nothing while piles of cash accumulate around them. These types must make up less than a single percent of all drug dealers. I bought thousands and thousands of dollars worth of drugs from about ~200-~2010, pot meth coke shrooms acid ecstasy and even heroin once, you name it, Ive probably done it at least once. In that process I met countless dealers.

If your dealer doesn't hold a "legit" job, your dealer probably doesnt even own his own house. Either his roomies paid for it, he inherited it, the drug fairy apparated it, etc. But most drug dealers simply do not have the resources to get by in this world nowadays, from just drug revenue. And its not hard to see why. Getting by is hard as fuhk if you don't have an excellent job.

If I were to see a drug dealer on TV, he would be sitting at a desk covered with nice things, flanked by thugs, in the company of beautiful women. This is NOT how it happens, EVER. If you gave me $100 right now and told me to buy you drug X, Id be headed to the low income housing areas to meet shady little Paco Drugdealer in the alley. Even if I were to drive into the ritzier areas, Id be buying pills from people still living with their parents, or rooming with other peers. While there ARE some people who get by growing house fulls of pot plants, or moving kilos of coke, or boats of pills, etc, they are the exceedingly small majority.

You cant just assume just any dealer would be able to run a business, of any kind. Most of the drug dealers I knew in my lifetime would fail with the pressures of even a small business.
 
2012-12-05 06:56:34 PM  
It should also be mentioned that there are people trying to turn this into a commonly recognized holiday. This should be heartily supported and encouraged by every farker. Repeal Day.
 
2012-12-05 06:57:37 PM  

Onkel Buck: My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

pic of great grandpa Buck. The bootlegger and philanderer. He got hit by a bus on the way to see mistress. True story.
[i26.photobucket.com image 320x213]


Raising a toast to Grandpa Buck!
 
2012-12-05 07:28:56 PM  
and American beer is only finally starting to recover from this unfortunate experiment in stupidity.

bier ist gut

now let's work on those mary jane laws
 
2012-12-05 07:31:47 PM  
Picked of two bottles of Tempranillo on the way home to celebrate. Of course, they're Spanish, so it might be missing the point, but I couldn't find any of the good SLO temp in the store.
 
2012-12-05 07:46:33 PM  
I'd rather see the reinstatement of the fourth, subby. :(
 
2012-12-05 07:55:36 PM  

Onkel Buck: My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

pic of great grandpa Buck. The bootlegger and philanderer. He got hit by a bus on the way to see mistress. True story.
[i26.photobucket.com image 320x213]


Offers internet high-five...my maternal great-grandpa was a bootlegger in Fort Worth.
 
2012-12-05 08:06:23 PM  
Raise your glass....fauk, raise your eyelids.

\been drunk since 3pm
\\day off
\\\DON'T JUDGE ME!


I don't care...I like my craft beer and my buzz.
 
2012-12-05 08:11:36 PM  

D_Evans45: wildcardjack: I've been told that the average illegal drug dealer couldn't run a dry cleaner shop, so you might actually destroy tens of thousands of small businesses by making it possible for proper business people to operate against them.


The average drug dealer might make minimum wage, and the risk factor can be huge for just those wages.

We've been led to believe that most drug dealers are thuggish villains who lay around doing nothing while piles of cash accumulate around them. These types must make up less than a single percent of all drug dealers. I bought thousands and thousands of dollars worth of drugs from about ~200-~2010, pot meth coke shrooms acid ecstasy and even heroin once, you name it, Ive probably done it at least once. In that process I met countless dealers.

If your dealer doesn't hold a "legit" job, your dealer probably doesnt even own his own house. Either his roomies paid for it, he inherited it, the drug fairy apparated it, etc. But most drug dealers simply do not have the resources to get by in this world nowadays, from just drug revenue. And its not hard to see why. Getting by is hard as fuhk if you don't have an excellent job.

If I were to see a drug dealer on TV, he would be sitting at a desk covered with nice things, flanked by thugs, in the company of beautiful women. This is NOT how it happens, EVER. If you gave me $100 right now and told me to buy you drug X, Id be headed to the low income housing areas to meet shady little Paco Drugdealer in the alley. Even if I were to drive into the ritzier areas, Id be buying pills from people still living with their parents, or rooming with other peers. While there ARE some people who get by growing house fulls of pot plants, or moving kilos of coke, or boats of pills, etc, they are the exceedingly small majority.

You cant just assume just any dealer would be able to run a business, of any kind. Most of the drug dealers I knew in my lifetime would fail with the pressures of even a small b ...


Which Steve are you, Dubner or Levitt?

http://www.freakonomics.com/books/freakonomics/chapter-excerpts/chapt e r-3/
 
2012-12-05 08:30:15 PM  

Moopy Mac: onestr8: 79 anniversary subby? Is you not good at the maths?

The caption got the date wrong too but you "corrected" in the wrong direction, son.

Signed December 5 1932.

"Raise your glass in celebration of the 79th 81st anniversary of the 21st Amendment to the United States Constitution" 

FTFY

1933


Maybe i am missing something but the document reads "nineteen hundred and thirty two."

Did it take another year after that?
 
2012-12-05 08:32:11 PM  

Onkel Buck: My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

pic of great grandpa Buck. The bootlegger and philanderer. He got hit by a bus on the way to see mistress. True story.
[i26.photobucket.com image 320x213]


That's a rare story that's actually coo, bro.
 
2012-12-05 08:33:32 PM  

cptjeff: onestr8: 79 anniversary subby? Is you not good at the maths?

The caption got the date wrong too but you "corrected" in the wrong direction, son.

Signed December 5 1932.

"Raise your glass in celebration of the 79th 81st anniversary of the 21st Amendment to the United States Constitution" 

FTFY

Whatever source you're pulling that from is a year off. It was officially ratified Dec. 5, 1933.

Subby is right.


from the document he linked. Says "nineteen hundred and thirty two" so that would make subby's link wrong. Or did it take a year to enact?
 
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