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(Deadspin)   Houston Rockets radio play-by-play man Craig Ackerman makes the call of the year following Houston's win over L.A. - "The Lakers have just pooped their big boy pants"   (deadspin.com) divider line 78
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2012-12-05 02:52:24 PM  
As funny as that was to read, it was even funnier to hear it spoken.
 
2012-12-05 04:41:16 PM  
That's just awesome.  More announcers should have that spirit.
 
2012-12-05 04:54:59 PM  
I'ma disagree here. That's just kinda... lame.

I'm tired of the NBA where nobody ever wins, it's just that the other team loses. If you're a Houston announcer, why would this win be because the Lakers did something bad?
 
2012-12-05 04:56:39 PM  
Sorry, but the Rockets announcers are some of the worst in the league. Whenever the Rockets aren't winning, they spend their entire time blaming it on the refs.
 
2012-12-05 04:57:08 PM  
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2012-12-05 04:57:47 PM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-05 05:03:22 PM  

Dafatone: I'ma disagree here. That's just kinda... lame.

I'm tired of the NBA where nobody ever wins, it's just that the other team loses. If you're a Houston announcer, why would this win be because the Lakers did something bad?


Because Lakers suck, that's why!
 
2012-12-05 05:05:33 PM  

Dafatone: I'ma disagree here. That's just kinda... lame.

I'm tired of the NBA where nobody ever wins, it's just that the other team loses. If you're a Houston announcer, why would this win be because the Lakers did something bad?


Because the Lakers had 17-point lead in the fourth and then shiat the bed.
 
2012-12-05 05:10:50 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Dafatone: I'ma disagree here. That's just kinda... lame.

I'm tired of the NBA where nobody ever wins, it's just that the other team loses. If you're a Houston announcer, why would this win be because the Lakers did something bad?

Because the Lakers had 17-point lead in the fourth and then shiat the bed.


Pretty much, or as I like to call it:

"Western Conference - Round 1 - Sharks 5 Canucks 6"

/Give me back my hockey....
 
2012-12-05 05:11:46 PM  

Dafatone: I'ma disagree here. That's just kinda... lame.

I'm tired of the NBA where nobody ever wins, it's just that the other team loses. If you're a Houston announcer, why would this win be because the Lakers did something bad?


Duhh... what?
 
2012-12-05 05:14:25 PM  
The quote if funny because before the game Kobe made a quote about Pau Gasol needing tp put on his big boy pants and get with the team.
 
2012-12-05 05:17:29 PM  
SHOTS FIRED

it's true, though, the league is discovering the hack-a-dwight and the Lakers can't handle it.
 
2012-12-05 05:23:37 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: SHOTS FIRED

it's true, though, the league is discovering the hack-a-dwight and the Lakers can't handle it.


Yeah, and it's only a matter of time before they fix it.

It's already hypocritical as hell that they're finding flops and resting starters while letting this classless behavior go uninterrupted. They should have dealt with in 10 years ago in the hack-a-shaq age.

The fix is simple. Off the ball intentional fouls are now technicals. Problem solved.
If you don't like that, then off the ball fouls can be shot by anyone on the court.

Fouling people off the ball, and intentionally so is by far the dumbest thing in the NBA right now, rule-wise.

The best part was how Kobe saw it coming, and took a half court shot because he realizes the hypocrisy of the rule, knowing that he should be granted 3 shots for being in the act of shooting while the team was fouled. But of course they don't award him the shots, in much the same way that they don't give out fouls on any long buzzer beaters.

The only good news is that the more teams do it, the quicker Stern will have the rules changed to remove it entirely.
 
2012-12-05 05:33:44 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: SHOTS FIRED

it's true, though, the league is discovering the hack-a-dwight and the Lakers can't handle it.


Malone came into the NBA as a sub .500 shooter from the free throw line and by the end of his career he was shooting .800 per season. Shaq and now Dwight are too lazy to get in the gym and put in the work. Shaq might have had a better excuse with the broken hand as a kid but the fastest way to stop the hack-a-shaq or hack-a-dwight is to make the free throws.
 
2012-12-05 05:48:21 PM  

justtray: Palmer Eldritch: SHOTS FIRED

it's true, though, the league is discovering the hack-a-dwight and the Lakers can't handle it.

Yeah, and it's only a matter of time before they fix it.

It's already hypocritical as hell that they're finding flops and resting starters while letting this classless behavior go uninterrupted. They should have dealt with in 10 years ago in the hack-a-shaq age.

The fix is simple. Off the ball intentional fouls are now technicals. Problem solved.
If you don't like that, then off the ball fouls can be shot by anyone on the court.

Fouling people off the ball, and intentionally so is by far the dumbest thing in the NBA right now, rule-wise.

The best part was how Kobe saw it coming, and took a half court shot because he realizes the hypocrisy of the rule, knowing that he should be granted 3 shots for being in the act of shooting while the team was fouled. But of course they don't award him the shots, in much the same way that they don't give out fouls on any long buzzer beaters.

The only good news is that the more teams do it, the quicker Stern will have the rules changed to remove it entirely.


You sign a player, you get his strengths and weaknesses. If you didn't want to open yourself up to that strategy, don't sign a deficient free-throw shooter.
 
2012-12-05 05:52:18 PM  

regindyn: justtray: Palmer Eldritch: SHOTS FIRED

it's true, though, the league is discovering the hack-a-dwight and the Lakers can't handle it.

Yeah, and it's only a matter of time before they fix it.

It's already hypocritical as hell that they're finding flops and resting starters while letting this classless behavior go uninterrupted. They should have dealt with in 10 years ago in the hack-a-shaq age.

The fix is simple. Off the ball intentional fouls are now technicals. Problem solved.
If you don't like that, then off the ball fouls can be shot by anyone on the court.

Fouling people off the ball, and intentionally so is by far the dumbest thing in the NBA right now, rule-wise.

The best part was how Kobe saw it coming, and took a half court shot because he realizes the hypocrisy of the rule, knowing that he should be granted 3 shots for being in the act of shooting while the team was fouled. But of course they don't award him the shots, in much the same way that they don't give out fouls on any long buzzer beaters.

The only good news is that the more teams do it, the quicker Stern will have the rules changed to remove it entirely.

You sign a player, you get his strengths and weaknesses. If you didn't want to open yourself up to that strategy, don't sign a deficient free-throw shooter.


While that is true and I do believe that players like Dwight should be locked in a gym until their free throws shooting improves, intentionally fouling away from the ball is against the spirit of the sport just like flopping is. If you're going to penalize floppers you should penalize intentional fouls away from the ball as well. 2 plus the ball would be enough to stop the "strategy".
 
2012-12-05 05:57:33 PM  

justtray: Palmer Eldritch: SHOTS FIRED

it's true, though, the league is discovering the hack-a-dwight and the Lakers can't handle it.

Yeah, and it's only a matter of time before they fix it.

It's already hypocritical as hell that they're finding flops and resting starters while letting this classless behavior go uninterrupted. They should have dealt with in 10 years ago in the hack-a-shaq age.

The fix is simple. Off the ball intentional fouls are now technicals. Problem solved.
If you don't like that, then off the ball fouls can be shot by anyone on the court.

Fouling people off the ball, and intentionally so is by far the dumbest thing in the NBA right now, rule-wise.

The best part was how Kobe saw it coming, and took a half court shot because he realizes the hypocrisy of the rule, knowing that he should be granted 3 shots for being in the act of shooting while the team was fouled. But of course they don't award him the shots, in much the same way that they don't give out fouls on any long buzzer beaters.

The only good news is that the more teams do it, the quicker Stern will have the rules changed to remove it entirely.


They already had the rules in place to fix hack-a-Shaq. The refs could have started calling 3 second violations and offensive fouls on Shaq any time they wanted to. They didn't though, so other teams had to compensate.
 
2012-12-05 06:02:46 PM  
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2012-12-05 06:03:13 PM  
The NBA doesn't need to do anything to penalize the hack-a-dwight. If you're going to pay someone millions of dollars to play basketball and they can't shoot 50% on flat-footed fifteen-footers with plenty of time to set up each shot, that's on you.
 
2012-12-05 06:04:42 PM  

Palmer Eldritch: The NBA doesn't need to do anything to penalize the hack-a-dwight. If you're going to pay someone millions of dollars to play basketball and they can't shoot 50% on flat-footed fifteen-footers with plenty of time to set up each shot, that's on you.


So why penalize floppers? If you can pay someone millions of dollars to fool the refs what's the problem with that?
 
2012-12-05 06:09:04 PM  
I don't care about his free throws, but I was dismayed to learn what a b*tch Howard is personality-wise.
 
2012-12-05 06:10:38 PM  

ddam: Palmer Eldritch: The NBA doesn't need to do anything to penalize the hack-a-dwight. If you're going to pay someone millions of dollars to play basketball and they can't shoot 50% on flat-footed fifteen-footers with plenty of time to set up each shot, that's on you.

So why penalize floppers? If you can pay someone millions of dollars to fool the refs what's the problem with that?


his point is that the players are supposedly paid to shoot the ball into the hoop (defensive specialists notwithstanding and even they are expected to score a little bit). At the point where the guy can't do so with time to set up the shot with no one guarding him, the onus falls onto the player/the people who paid him to do something he evidently can't do
 
2012-12-05 06:14:27 PM  

ATRDCI: ddam: Palmer Eldritch: The NBA doesn't need to do anything to penalize the hack-a-dwight. If you're going to pay someone millions of dollars to play basketball and they can't shoot 50% on flat-footed fifteen-footers with plenty of time to set up each shot, that's on you.

So why penalize floppers? If you can pay someone millions of dollars to fool the refs what's the problem with that?

his point is that the players are supposedly paid to shoot the ball into the hoop (defensive specialists notwithstanding and even they are expected to score a little bit). At the point where the guy can't do so with time to set up the shot with no one guarding him, the onus falls onto the player/the people who paid him to do something he evidently can't do


Right, I get that and if you saw my initial comment I said it's up to the player to get better. But if the league is starting to penalize players for what they deem to be against the spirit of the sport - flopping - then why not put in penalties against intentional off the ball fouls? They did a half-ass measure a few years ago saying that it's only more than a regular foul in the last 2 minutes but that rule should apply to the whole game.
 
2012-12-05 06:16:25 PM  
my favorite take on the nba these days, you cant teach height but you can overpay it
 
2012-12-05 06:25:01 PM  
This call was incredible in context with Kobe's pregame comments, as k4mi stated.

Howard needs to condition better. He can hit free throws in practice. When you're in the middle of a game and your legs are tired, it's a different story. Big men that have the cardio endurance can hit free throws.
 
2012-12-05 06:37:10 PM  
Radio sports announcers are so much better than TV sports announcers. And I miss listening to Johnny Most on RKO. Biggest team homer out there but he was sure entertaining.

/McFilthy and McNasty
 
2012-12-05 06:41:07 PM  

ddam: ATRDCI: ddam: Palmer Eldritch: The NBA doesn't need to do anything to penalize the hack-a-dwight. If you're going to pay someone millions of dollars to play basketball and they can't shoot 50% on flat-footed fifteen-footers with plenty of time to set up each shot, that's on you.

So why penalize floppers? If you can pay someone millions of dollars to fool the refs what's the problem with that?

his point is that the players are supposedly paid to shoot the ball into the hoop (defensive specialists notwithstanding and even they are expected to score a little bit). At the point where the guy can't do so with time to set up the shot with no one guarding him, the onus falls onto the player/the people who paid him to do something he evidently can't do

Right, I get that and if you saw my initial comment I said it's up to the player to get better. But if the league is starting to penalize players for what they deem to be against the spirit of the sport - flopping - then why not put in penalties against intentional off the ball fouls? They did a half-ass measure a few years ago saying that it's only more than a regular foul in the last 2 minutes but that rule should apply to the whole game.


You can't pay someone to not "get flopped on" or whatever the term may be as opposed to pay someone who can shoot. Along with the onus of having the ref make a determination of motive and inherently saying on the ball fouls don't matter as much, what is against the "spirit of the game" is pretty darn subjective. Without the written in exception that the QB must do so "immediately after receiving the ball" spiking it is intentional grounding, aka committing a penalty/negative play intentionally to stop the clock, a strategy that is seemingly universally bemoaned by basketball fans. It is usually considered good strategy to pitch around/intentionally walk the power hitter if the person behind him is terrible

/fwiw, I think there needs to be flopping penalties, though what the NBA has right now is pretty much worth jack-shiat, don't mind the "hack-a-[insert player here]" defenses anymore than I mind having a bunch of QB spys against mobile QBs who have a terrible arm. Learn to shoot/throw better and it doesn't matter. Yao for example never had the hack-a-Ming problem. He also shot in the high 80's/low 90s from the line
 
2012-12-05 06:42:26 PM  
or rather "mobile QBs who have terrible arms"
 
2012-12-05 07:15:08 PM  

ATRDCI: ddam: Palmer Eldritch: The NBA doesn't need to do anything to penalize the hack-a-dwight. If you're going to pay someone millions of dollars to play basketball and they can't shoot 50% on flat-footed fifteen-footers with plenty of time to set up each shot, that's on you.

So why penalize floppers? If you can pay someone millions of dollars to fool the refs what's the problem with that?

his point is that the players are supposedly paid to shoot the ball into the hoop (defensive specialists notwithstanding and even they are expected to score a little bit). At the point where the guy can't do so with time to set up the shot with no one guarding him, the onus falls onto the player/the people who paid him to do something he evidently can't do


And that point misses the mark, entirely.

It's a great strawman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

The guy you quoted's point is. If the rule is going to be to get rid of things that go against the spirit of the game, which it is, then hacking players off the ball needs to be in that category.

Big men's liability comes that when they get the ball down low, and you can't stop them, you hack them, preventing them from getting a free bucket. It's not supposed to come into play off the ball, away from the play. Period.
 
2012-12-05 07:18:43 PM  

ATRDCI: ddam: ATRDCI: ddam: Palmer Eldritch: The NBA doesn't need to do anything to penalize the hack-a-dwight. If you're going to pay someone millions of dollars to play basketball and they can't shoot 50% on flat-footed fifteen-footers with plenty of time to set up each shot, that's on you.

So why penalize floppers? If you can pay someone millions of dollars to fool the refs what's the problem with that?

his point is that the players are supposedly paid to shoot the ball into the hoop (defensive specialists notwithstanding and even they are expected to score a little bit). At the point where the guy can't do so with time to set up the shot with no one guarding him, the onus falls onto the player/the people who paid him to do something he evidently can't do

Right, I get that and if you saw my initial comment I said it's up to the player to get better. But if the league is starting to penalize players for what they deem to be against the spirit of the sport - flopping - then why not put in penalties against intentional off the ball fouls? They did a half-ass measure a few years ago saying that it's only more than a regular foul in the last 2 minutes but that rule should apply to the whole game.

You can't pay someone to not "get flopped on" or whatever the term may be as opposed to pay someone who can shoot. Along with the onus of having the ref make a determination of motive and inherently saying on the ball fouls don't matter as much, what is against the "spirit of the game" is pretty darn subjective. Without the written in exception that the QB must do so "immediately after receiving the ball" spiking it is intentional grounding, aka committing a penalty/negative play intentionally to stop the clock, a strategy that is seemingly universally bemoaned by basketball fans. It is usually considered good strategy to pitch around/intentionally walk the power hitter if the person behind him is terrible

/fwiw, I think there needs to be flopping penalties, though what the NBA ...


Flops are subjective. Fouling big men off the bad isn't, relatively speaking. In fact, as I outlined already, it's very easy to remove entirely while not impacting the game in a significant sense.

I get it though, everyone hates the Lakers, so people's bias get in the way of logical discussion. I'm surprised I didn't get more flames frankly.
 
2012-12-05 07:38:23 PM  
I'm no Lakers fan, but this guy is a d-bag. The first thing I thought of was the old adage "act like you've been there before." Obviously he hasn't.
 
2012-12-05 07:55:04 PM  

justtray: Palmer Eldritch: SHOTS FIRED

it's true, though, the league is discovering the hack-a-dwight and the Lakers can't handle it.

Yeah, and it's only a matter of time before they fix it.

It's already hypocritical as hell that they're finding flops and resting starters while letting this classless behavior go uninterrupted. They should have dealt with in 10 years ago in the hack-a-shaq age.

The fix is simple. Off the ball intentional fouls are now technicals. Problem solved.
If you don't like that, then off the ball fouls can be shot by anyone on the court.

Fouling people off the ball, and intentionally so is by far the dumbest thing in the NBA right now, rule-wise.

The best part was how Kobe saw it coming, and took a half court shot because he realizes the hypocrisy of the rule, knowing that he should be granted 3 shots for being in the act of shooting while the team was fouled. But of course they don't award him the shots, in much the same way that they don't give out fouls on any long buzzer beaters.

The only good news is that the more teams do it, the quicker Stern will have the rules changed to remove it entirely.


There's a lot about this post that I love:

- Let's fix Dwight Howard's FT shooting woes by changing how fouls are called, and introducing more ref judgment into the mix, impossible as that may sound

- Poor old Kobe, not getting a foul call

- Stern did nothing to stop Hack-a-Shaq, but he's for sure going to do it this time. Howard couldn't hold Prime Shaq's jock.
 
2012-12-05 08:10:25 PM  
POOP
 
2012-12-05 08:17:53 PM  

justtray: ATRDCI: ddam: Palmer Eldritch: And that point misses the mark, entirely.

It's a great strawman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

The guy you quoted's point is. If the rule is going to be to get rid of things that go against the spirit of the game, which it is, then hacking players off the ball needs to be in that category.

Big men's liability comes that when they get the ball down low, and you can't stop them, you hack them, preventing them from getting a free bucket. It's not supposed to come into play off the ball, away from the play. Period.


Yes, all I stated was that

A what is against the "spirit of the game" is subjective. At the point where the last couple minutes are spent using up fouls, its a bit arbitrary to say spending fouls earlier than this, or spending them off the ball instead of on the ball is "against the spirit of the game". At least to me it is anyway

B that basing a rule where a ref has to establish motive, ie did that guy intentionally foul or not, should be avoided if possible and

C flopping and "hack a player" are different because you can render "hack a player" null by shooting the ball accurately, which they should be able to do anyway. It is hardly like an offensive player can do anything to stop the defense from flopping. That's why a punishment for flopping is needed. If you make the FTs, the hacking never happens because eventually you're literally giving the other team free buckets.

justtray: Flops are subjective. Fouling big men off the bad isn't, relatively speaking. In fact, as I outlined already, it's very easy to remove entirely while not impacting the game in a significant sense.

I get it though, everyone hates the Lakers, so people's bias get in the way of logical discussion. I'm surprised I didn't get more flames frankly.


My point was that whether they were intentionally fouled or not is subjective. Or are you for just making off the ball fouls in general have a greater punishment than on the ball fouls? If so, I concede that point. And flops are subjective in some sense, but that dilemma is going to happen at the point where you have fouls. Every time a foul is called, the ref had to decide whether it was a foul or a flop (or neither). Simply adding punishment for flopping doesn't exacerbate this.

/I think Fisher is a bit of a douche for what he did to Scola in the playoffs, but my "lakers hate" pretty much stops there
//and to be honest if the penalty you propose was added, it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world
///it just seems a bit asinine to compare a strategy the other team can't do anything about, to something you can literally stop by doing what you are paid to do: make baskets Every other team with a big man has figured this out. For whatever reason, the Lakers can't
////of course the Rockets still can't figure out how to put together a complete team, so eh
 
2012-12-05 08:34:38 PM  
I hate the NBA, but I'm loving this Lakers' season from hell
 
2012-12-05 08:52:16 PM  
A way to stop the hack-a-dwight that won't really change the game in any drastic way or give out techs for off the ball fouls would simply be that anytime a player is fouled off the ball on the othe rside of the court and it is not under two minutes, any player on the court can shoot the Ft's. Under two min. and the rule goes back to how it is now. Not sure if that would ever happen but it sounds good to me.
 
2012-12-05 08:56:57 PM  
Also, why did teams just start doing this? Dwight has been in the league for awhile now, is it just now becoming an issue because he is on the Lakers? Didn't the MAGIC get into the Finals with him? Why didn't teams do this to him then if it is such an effective strategy? I think this is just Laker fans being biatchy because they thought their team was going to be so good and now it looks like they are going to be a 6th or 7th seed swept out of the 1st round. The rules have been the same for awhile now.
 
2012-12-05 08:57:33 PM  
I hope the Rockets can be relevant again, maybe they just need to go back to their old jerseys.
 
2012-12-05 08:57:58 PM  

ATRDCI: justtray: ATRDCI: ddam: Palmer Eldritch: And that point misses the mark, entirely.

It's a great strawman, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

The guy you quoted's point is. If the rule is going to be to get rid of things that go against the spirit of the game, which it is, then hacking players off the ball needs to be in that category.

Big men's liability comes that when they get the ball down low, and you can't stop them, you hack them, preventing them from getting a free bucket. It's not supposed to come into play off the ball, away from the play. Period.

Yes, all I stated was that

A what is against the "spirit of the game" is subjective. At the point where the last couple minutes are spent using up fouls, its a bit arbitrary to say spending fouls earlier than this, or spending them off the ball instead of on the ball is "against the spirit of the game". At least to me it is anyway

B that basing a rule where a ref has to establish motive, ie did that guy intentionally foul or not, should be avoided if possible and

C flopping and "hack a player" are different because you can render "hack a player" null by shooting the ball accurately, which they should be able to do anyway. It is hardly like an offensive player can do anything to stop the defense from flopping. That's why a punishment for flopping is needed. If you make the FTs, the hacking never happens because eventually you're literally giving the other team free buckets.

justtray: Flops are subjective. Fouling big men off the bad isn't, relatively speaking. In fact, as I outlined already, it's very easy to remove entirely while not impacting the game in a significant sense.

I get it though, everyone hates the Lakers, so people's bias get in the way of logical discussion. I'm surprised I didn't get more flames frankly.

My point was that whether they were intentionally fouled or not is subjective. Or are you for just making off the ball fouls in general have a greater punishment than on the b ...


Ah i see i misunderstood your subjective point, sorry. I just think if you're trying to stop flops and coaches resting starters, i dont see how intentional off the ball fouls doesnt go in there as well.

I get the slippery slope of not adding more subjectivity to refs, i just dont think theres that much validity to it. The game fouls are already highly subjective and inconsistent. For example i hate charging fouls. Rarely are they truly charging.

Is it really that hard to tell when its an intentional off the ball foul? I dont think so.
 
2012-12-05 08:59:30 PM  

frtmn7: Also, why did teams just start doing this? Dwight has been in the league for awhile now, is it just now becoming an issue because he is on the Lakers? Didn't the MAGIC get into the Finals with him? Why didn't teams do this to him then if it is such an effective strategy? I think this is just Laker fans being biatchy because they thought their team was going to be so good and now it looks like they are going to be a 6th or 7th seed swept out of the 1st round. The rules have been the same for awhile now.


He's playing in the West now, he can no longer keep beating shiatty teams to get a good record.
 
2012-12-05 09:00:42 PM  

TheJoe03: frtmn7: Also, why did teams just start doing this? Dwight has been in the league for awhile now, is it just now becoming an issue because he is on the Lakers? Didn't the MAGIC get into the Finals with him? Why didn't teams do this to him then if it is such an effective strategy? I think this is just Laker fans being biatchy because they thought their team was going to be so good and now it looks like they are going to be a 6th or 7th seed swept out of the 1st round. The rules have been the same for awhile now.

He's playing in the West now, he can no longer keep beating shiatty teams to get a good record.


So only Teams in the West came up with this? It is the NBA, you play every team at least once no matter what. Why weren't "west coast" team doing this before this year?
 
2012-12-05 09:05:56 PM  

frtmn7: So only Teams in the West came up with this? It is the NBA, you play every team at least once no matter what. Why weren't "west coast" team doing this before this year?


I really don't know, I thought they were hacking him when it made sense, but I'm saying he can't get away with mediocrity anymore now that he plays in a conference with more than 3 good teams. I just don't recall hack a Dwight back when he was on the Magic, you might be right, and it's sad because Don Nelson came up with Hack a Shaq a decade ago.
 
2012-12-05 09:11:53 PM  

TheJoe03: frtmn7: So only Teams in the West came up with this? It is the NBA, you play every team at least once no matter what. Why weren't "west coast" team doing this before this year?

I really don't know, I thought they were hacking him when it made sense, but I'm saying he can't get away with mediocrity anymore now that he plays in a conference with more than 3 good teams. I just don't recall hack a Dwight back when he was on the Magic, you might be right, and it's sad because Don Nelson came up with Hack a Shaq a decade ago.


Teams did do it. It just wasn't an issue because he was on the Magic and nobody really talked about it either because it was understood as a good strategy or because the Magic weren't really talked about that much anyways . Go check out how many FT attempts he has averaged over the years. Now that he is on the mighty Lakers and they are losing, the fans are just coming up with excuses instead of just admitting that perhaps the team just isn't that good.
 
2012-12-05 09:16:13 PM  

frtmn7: Now that he is on the mighty Lakers and they are losing, the fans are just coming up with excuses instead of just admitting that perhaps the team just isn't that good.


Oh, so we're saying the same thing, I'm just adding that if the Lakers (roster) played in the East they might be dominating. Howard can't coast by anymore and his status as a top NBA player is diminished because he doesn't play cupcakes all the time. The Magic (and the Cavs for that matter) mediocre-ed their way into the Finals. Anyways, I love when the Lakers lose, their fans are hilarious.
 
2012-12-05 09:17:56 PM  
True. They also have a nice media spotlight on them. Kinda reminds me of Philly and the "dream team" of the NFL.
 
2012-12-05 09:20:38 PM  

justtray: Ah i see i misunderstood your subjective point, sorry. I just think if you're trying to stop flops and coaches resting starters, i dont see how intentional off the ball fouls doesnt go in there as well.


Because the "hack" strategy is preventable. The other team is betting that the points the center gets off the FTs will be less than he would normally score. Making FTs means this strategy doesn't work. Like how having a passing game will stop defenses from stacking the line of scrimmage. Flopping gives a competitive advantage and there is nothing the other team can do to counteract it (and punishing the resting of players is stupid)

justtray: I get the slippery slope of not adding more subjectivity to refs, i just dont think theres that much validity to it. The game fouls are already highly subjective and inconsistent. For example i hate charging fouls. Rarely are they truly charging.

Is it really that hard to tell when its an intentional off the ball foul? I dont think so


The fact that current NBA reffing is screwed up does not make it ok to screw it up a little bit more, especially since there is pretty much only 1 team that benefits from it.

In theory, 3/5 second violations should be easy to call, yet they rarely are and I'd venture a guess if someone went back through the tape of last season, there would probably be quite a few missed calls
 
2012-12-05 09:21:00 PM  

Dafatone: I'ma disagree here. That's just kinda... lame.

I'm tired of the NBA where nobody ever wins, it's just that the other team loses. If you're a Houston announcer, why would this win be because the Lakers did something bad?


If you think this is bad, you should have listened to DC sports talk today. They spent the entire day wondering how in the world the Wizards managed to beat the Heat. They were saying things like "The Heat obviously didn't take the game seriously" and "The probably were sleep walking through half the game" and that's the people paid to follow the team.
 
2012-12-05 09:22:49 PM  

degenerate-afro: Dafatone: I'ma disagree here. That's just kinda... lame.

I'm tired of the NBA where nobody ever wins, it's just that the other team loses. If you're a Houston announcer, why would this win be because the Lakers did something bad?

If you think this is bad, you should have listened to DC sports talk today. They spent the entire day wondering how in the world the Wizards managed to beat the Heat. They were saying things like "The Heat obviously didn't take the game seriously" and "The probably were sleep walking through half the game" and that's the people paid to follow the team.


Nothing new. The Atlanta Falcons haven't won a game all year according to the media, the other teams simply did something crazy to lose.
 
2012-12-05 09:27:03 PM  

degenerate-afro: They spent the entire day wondering how in the world the Wizards managed to beat the Heat. They were saying things like "The Heat obviously didn't take the game seriously" and "The probably were sleep walking through half the game" and that's the people paid to follow the team.


Well that makes sense, we're talking about the worst team in the league beating the defending champs. Something out of the ordinary happened, it's an 82 game season, it happens. It's only annoying in a best of 7 playoff series or between playoff caliber teams.
 
2012-12-05 09:32:10 PM  
Poor Kobe. I think he is starting to realize that he`ll never match and exceed that 6 titles. Someone tell him to stick out his tongue some more and play pretend while he still can.

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