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2012-12-05 04:51:45 PM  

cgraves67: Cythraul: And even if they had one of our drones. Then what? Are they going to start building them? Did the drone have all our military tactics information embedded in it?

It's apparently a generic model. So it's not like they are getting proprietary US technology. Several countries are using them. The US claims it's not ours, but it could belong to any one of the NATO or Arab countries operating in the area or Israel. The Iranians could pull cryptographic software off of it, and reverse engineer it in order to do something, maybe hijack more drones.


Or they could just order all the parts from Radio Shack and Toys R Us.
 
2012-12-05 04:51:50 PM  
The drone is a model used by several Gulf States......


SO literally it may have been borrowed from a neighbor.

Do they know they can order MRE's from ebay, then they can claim to have captured our top secret super food technology.
 
2012-12-05 04:55:21 PM  

archichris: The drone is a model used by several Gulf States......


SO literally it may have been borrowed from a neighbor.

Do they know they can order MRE's from ebay, then they can claim to have captured our top secret super food technology.


What about shipping? Do the sanctions include no UPS or Fed-Ex?
 
2012-12-05 04:57:42 PM  
Iran is the master of trolling.

When Obama asked for our RQ-170 drone back, they kindly sent him this one, and painted it pink, Obama's favorite color.

i.imgur.com

I wouldn't put it past them if Iran succeeded again. It's a huge embarrassment to diplomatic relations and the rest of the world, and egg on the face of the defense contractors.
 
2012-12-05 04:58:41 PM  

archichris: The drone is a model used by several Gulf States......


SO literally it may have been borrowed from a neighbor.

Do they know they can order MRE's from ebay, then they can claim to have captured our top secret super food technology.


"It's made of food."
 
2012-12-05 04:58:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: What didn't Obama know, and when didn't he know it?


I had an engineer ask me a similar question once... unreal how stupid some smart folks can be.
 
2012-12-05 04:59:50 PM  

kim jong-un: doglover: Wade_Wilson: Forgive me if there's a ready answer to this, but why not have a self destruct device on these things?

Doesn't need to be an actual "boom" or anything, I can see why that might be difficult to arrange, but why not a magnet held away from the hard drive by a spring loaded mechanism, which will be released if the machine is powered down without some sort of "mission accomplished" signal from home base?

Because that's a rube goldberg idea. C4 does a better job than a magnet, first off. Second, a spy drone isn't exactly a spy plane. It hasn't got much worth self destructing. You can build one yourself.

Anything of value should zeroize once antitamper is triggered.


Zeroize? How would that help. You can, with governmental budgets, build a machine to read a zeroized hard drive. You can't, howevever, read a melted one. Thermite or something like it. Assuming anything of value's on the drone at all. With $10,000 you can probably buy one. Not just a model, but that actual drone.
 
2012-12-05 05:02:09 PM  
or they reverse-engineer it to the point we can use them
 
2012-12-05 05:05:41 PM  
I had no idea you could decrypt that intense of data with a Commodore Amiga.
 
2012-12-05 05:07:09 PM  

doglover: kim jong-un: doglover: Wade_Wilson: Forgive me if there's a ready answer to this, but why not have a self destruct device on these things?

Doesn't need to be an actual "boom" or anything, I can see why that might be difficult to arrange, but why not a magnet held away from the hard drive by a spring loaded mechanism, which will be released if the machine is powered down without some sort of "mission accomplished" signal from home base?

Because that's a rube goldberg idea. C4 does a better job than a magnet, first off. Second, a spy drone isn't exactly a spy plane. It hasn't got much worth self destructing. You can build one yourself.

Anything of value should zeroize once antitamper is triggered.

Zeroize? How would that help. You can, with governmental budgets, build a machine to read a zeroized hard drive. You can't, howevever, read a melted one. Thermite or something like it. Assuming anything of value's on the drone at all. With $10,000 you can probably buy one. Not just a model, but that actual drone.


you never want an explosive self destruct, too much a chance that it could go off accidentally and get your own people killed.
 
2012-12-05 05:12:34 PM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 264x191]


i3.kym-cdn.com

Are you a Bothan?
 
2012-12-05 05:17:11 PM  

Gyrfalcon: archichris: The drone is a model used by several Gulf States......


SO literally it may have been borrowed from a neighbor.

Do they know they can order MRE's from ebay, then they can claim to have captured our top secret super food technology.

"It's made of food."


THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT
 
2012-12-05 05:17:14 PM  

WTP 2: or they reverse-engineer it to the point we can use them


It's Iran, not Taiwan.
 
2012-12-05 05:19:04 PM  

Antimatter: doglover: kim jong-un: doglover: Wade_Wilson: Forgive me if there's a ready answer to this, but why not have a self destruct device on these things?

Doesn't need to be an actual "boom" or anything, I can see why that might be difficult to arrange, but why not a magnet held away from the hard drive by a spring loaded mechanism, which will be released if the machine is powered down without some sort of "mission accomplished" signal from home base?

Because that's a rube goldberg idea. C4 does a better job than a magnet, first off. Second, a spy drone isn't exactly a spy plane. It hasn't got much worth self destructing. You can build one yourself.

Anything of value should zeroize once antitamper is triggered.

Zeroize? How would that help. You can, with governmental budgets, build a machine to read a zeroized hard drive. You can't, howevever, read a melted one. Thermite or something like it. Assuming anything of value's on the drone at all. With $10,000 you can probably buy one. Not just a model, but that actual drone.

you never want an explosive self destruct, too much a chance that it could go off accidentally and get your own people killed.


My rule: If it must self destruct, it damn well better leave a crater you could park a Buick in.

That pretty much limits you to missiles. Anything else? No self destruct. Although those Iron Key super paranoid USB drives somehow trash themselves. No idea how that works. Needs more boom.
 
2012-12-05 05:20:09 PM  
Enjoy your Trojan, Ian.
 
2012-12-05 05:20:23 PM  
They got every last bit of data from it? That's probably more efficient than our military contractors, we should clearly outsource any spying on Iran to Iran itself.
 
2012-12-05 05:27:41 PM  

kim jong-un: indarwinsshadow: What data? Everything is probably downlinked. The only thing they could gather from this souped up low cost hobby aircraft is some navigation software. It doesn't carry weapons. It probably doesn't store the data, and if it does it's probably non encrypted basic point and shoot video. A big "meh". I could be wrong but I doubt it.

The FCS and nav software is what separates a high end military drone from a model aircraft.

Weapons are simple. Delivery is the challenge.


But there's nothing to either FCS or nab that can't be had "off the shelf". As someone has stated, it's not autonomous but guided by human pilot. So...there's nothing to be gathered that can't be had on an open market. Or a hobby group. Again. Meh.

Iran, first in photoshop.
 
2012-12-05 05:30:55 PM  

Tickle Mittens: It could just be a hilarious way for us to deliver a trojan to them.


Wait a minute, why are all of the security doors opening?
 
2012-12-05 05:32:59 PM  
When Ahmedinejad finally goes, there will be a chance for a new relation between the US and Iran. Most Iranians don't hate the US. See the Green movement of 2009. The people of Iran can put a non hardline conservative in office. That's really all it would take, presuming that the US doesn't have a hardline conservative in office at the time.

And nobody is wiping anybody off the map.
 
2012-12-05 05:33:40 PM  
And Khomenei's dead so we've got that going for us.
 
2012-12-05 05:34:01 PM  

indarwinsshadow: What data? Everything is probably downlinked. The only thing they could gather from this souped up low cost hobby aircraft is some navigation software. It doesn't carry weapons. It probably doesn't store the data, and if it does it's probably non encrypted basic point and shoot video. A big "meh". I could be wrong but I doubt it.


Off the top of my head

Operating frequencies - Controls,

Satellite? - what Satellite were overhead at the time, when will they be back
radio waves?, microwaves? Cellular? how do we control it and where would the US have to set up
Operating Range - Fuel capacity, Fuel used
data protocols, what is sent to and what is received from?
 
2012-12-05 05:34:35 PM  
btw did anyone succeed Khomenei?
 
2012-12-05 05:36:05 PM  
I should say I know nothing about drones so I could be completely wrong
 
2012-12-05 05:43:40 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: When Ahmedinejad finally goes, there will be a chance for a new relation between the US and Iran. Most Iranians don't hate the US. See the Green movement of 2009. The people of Iran can put a non hardline conservative in office. That's really all it would take, presuming that the US doesn't have a hardline conservative in office at the time.

And nobody is wiping anybody off the map.


The mullahs hold the power. *hint*...they're the f*cking crazy muslin bastards. Everyone keeps saying Ahmahdinejad is an empty suit. Howso any different if a more conservative bozo wins the spot?
 
2012-12-05 05:43:48 PM  
Not my idea but I haven't seen some one photoshop it so I did.

img850.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-05 05:44:32 PM  
Since when do we store sensitive information on drones?
 
2012-12-05 05:44:49 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-05 05:46:03 PM  

doglover:

Zeroize? How would that help. You can, with governmental budgets, build a machine to read a zeroized hard drive. You can't, howevever, read a melted one. Thermite or something like it. Assuming anything of value's on the drone at all. With $10,000 you can probably buy one. Not just a model, but that actual drone.


Why use non-volatile storage mediums at all?

If it's using a constant uplink to transmit video, and is accepting remove commands you wouldn't need a hard drive for anything, except lazy design from engineers who want to port PC hardware over to everything.

Keep it all in RAM. Simple, and when power cuts out, it dies. Quick and easy to remote destruct on the computer if it's all stored there, just a remote off switch, and the memory has loads of antitamper detectors on it.
 
2012-12-05 05:46:10 PM  
Am I having a burst of deja vu, or didn't this already happen?

I remember this EXACT same story, with the EXACT same response, last year some time. I mean, everything. The Iranians having shot the drone down, the fact that there may be some tech secrets that are classified, and the US claiming that they are not missing drones.

If someone put me in a Wayback Machine and didn't tell me, I'm gonna be pissed!

//Even more so the third time it happens.
 
2012-12-05 05:46:24 PM  
canadianonlinegamers.com

I ran?
 
2012-12-05 05:46:58 PM  

BigNumber12: Tickle Mittens: It could just be a hilarious way for us to deliver a trojan to them.

Wait a minute, why are all of the security doors opening?


weblogs.variety.com

Sees what you did there
 
2012-12-05 05:47:29 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Sunday: Susan Rice appears on news shows to reaffirm that this was NOT our drone.
Monday: FOX news exclusive that this was an American designed drone, but possibly used by another country.
Tuesday: FOX news reveals that Susan Rice has not had the basic training to remotely control these drones.
Wednesday: Hannity asks the question as to whether Susan Rice, not being a remote control flying expert, can even claim that it was not a U.S. drone. Demands investigation.
Thursday: The Blaze features an inside source showing that not only did Susan Rice purposely give the Iranians classified information via the black box carried on the drone, but that she is part of a plot to make the U.S.A. legally bound to Sharia Law.
Friday: Rush Limbaugh calls out for Susan Rice to be charged as a traitor and deported.
Saturday: 35% of GOP voters 100% confident that Susan Rice is a secret muslim infiltrator involved in an internal power grab with Valerie Jarret to control Obama.
Sunday: News shows have moved on to discuss fiscal cliff negotiations amid lamentations from conservative media that the Iranian drone story is being swept under the rug by the liberal media.


You forgot a day where FOX news is outraged at the lack of coverage by the liberal mainstream media and how they are sweeping this under the rug to help further Obama's socialist agenda.
 
2012-12-05 05:48:08 PM  

Wade_Wilson: Forgive me if there's a ready answer to this, but why not have a self destruct device on these things?

Doesn't need to be an actual "boom" or anything, ...


No. I was expecting a "ka-boom", an Earth shattering "ka-boom".
 
2012-12-05 05:53:25 PM  
After waterboarding the drone it gave up all its secrets.
 
2012-12-05 05:55:27 PM  
There seems to be a great deal of misconception about this particular drone so I'm going to set y'all straight on a few things. The Scan Eagle is essentially a flying camera platform that transmits video to a terrestrial receiver. Wingspan maybe 10ish feet, one person can pick one up and move it. The video signal is not encrypted and is sub-VHS quality. There is no hard drive on board for data gathering purposes. No 007 self destruct mechanisms. There is autopilot functionality via a low bandwidth satellite uplink, but you can't move video data through it. The Scan Eagle was originally developed as an aerial spotting platform to aid tuna fishing fleets (they were using helicopters previously) and as such launches/lands with the use of specialized equipment, there is no landing gear. Due to this they don't take well to crash landings so if Iran has one it's because someone gave one to them. Congratulations, Iran, welcome to 1985.
 
2012-12-05 05:55:52 PM  

Foundling: Since when do we store sensitive information on drones?


Since they've been capable of being tortured, I guess.
 
2012-12-05 06:00:04 PM  
So they have aerial footage of a third world country? Congrats!
 
2012-12-05 06:00:27 PM  

Silverstaff: Why use non-volatile storage mediums at all?


I know. It takes up room that could be boom.
 
2012-12-05 06:02:24 PM  
Zohan!
 
2012-12-05 06:13:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: What didn't Obama know, and when didn't he know it?

There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.
There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.
But there are also unknown unknowns - there are things we do not know we don't know.


johnstodderinexile.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-05 06:19:13 PM  

Prof. Ann Marion: Wade_Wilson: Forgive me if there's a ready answer to this, but why not have a self destruct device on these things?

Doesn't need to be an actual "boom" or anything, ...

No. I was expecting a "ka-boom", an Earth shattering "ka-boom".


You forgot to turn on the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator
 
2012-12-05 06:20:43 PM  

indarwinsshadow: kim jong-un: indarwinsshadow: What data? Everything is probably downlinked. The only thing they could gather from this souped up low cost hobby aircraft is some navigation software. It doesn't carry weapons. It probably doesn't store the data, and if it does it's probably non encrypted basic point and shoot video. A big "meh". I could be wrong but I doubt it.

The FCS and nav software is what separates a high end military drone from a model aircraft.

Weapons are simple. Delivery is the challenge.

But there's nothing to either FCS or nab that can't be had "off the shelf". As someone has stated, it's not autonomous but guided by human pilot. So...there's nothing to be gathered that can't be had on an open market. Or a hobby group. Again. Meh.

Iran, first in photoshop.


img191.imageshack.us

Props to whoever made this one.
 
2012-12-05 06:34:39 PM  
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

Found a new gig one country over apparently.
 
2012-12-05 06:38:42 PM  

Nothing To See Here: Those crafty Bastids.

[media2.hickorees.com image 499x472]


i love you, man

/sweet, sweet memories
 
2012-12-05 06:57:11 PM  

MayoBoy: Prof. Ann Marion: Wade_Wilson: Forgive me if there's a ready answer to this, but why not have a self destruct device on these things?

Doesn't need to be an actual "boom" or anything, ...

No. I was expecting a "ka-boom", an Earth shattering "ka-boom".

You forgot to turn on the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator


Those are only when Earth is obstructing your view of Venus.
 
2012-12-05 07:01:28 PM  
A) Yes I doubt their is anything that useful on those.
B) Don't those things have a self destruct? And if not why?

Actually thinking about it. They probably don't have a self destruct because of reason A above.
 
2012-12-05 07:03:57 PM  

queezyweezel: Snarfangel: Okay, which one of you jokers installed Stuxnet 2.0 on the intelligence drone?

Exactly. What better way to gain access than a well placed trojan horse?


This would be so funny and hilarious. And being a sort of literal trojan horse for a trojan virus.
 
2012-12-05 07:24:01 PM  

toraque: PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: Yes, Great Ayatollah, our skilled technicians have broken the encryption on the data retrieved from the Great Satan's drone!

AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: Most excellent.

IRANIAN TECHNICIAN: Mister President, the data appears to be encoded as video. I believe we have the proper codecs installed to play this now, if you wish.

PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: Proceed.

(All eyes turn to the video projection screen)

AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: "Never gonna give you up? Never gonna let you down?" Is this some kind of code?

PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: (facepalm)


If it wouldn't get you kidnapped by Iranian spies and smuggled back to Iran, I'd totally put down some green to get a drone like this, a ticket to the area, and would fly it across the border (adding autopilot functionality so it could fly straight and then circle over a city), so it could be shot down and have the contents analyzed to find this video. You'd have to armor the shiat out of the data storage, though.
 
2012-12-05 07:27:05 PM  

Russky: toraque: PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: Yes, Great Ayatollah, our skilled technicians have broken the encryption on the data retrieved from the Great Satan's drone!

AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: Most excellent.

IRANIAN TECHNICIAN: Mister President, the data appears to be encoded as video. I believe we have the proper codecs installed to play this now, if you wish.

PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: Proceed.

(All eyes turn to the video projection screen)

AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI: "Never gonna give you up? Never gonna let you down?" Is this some kind of code?

PRESIDENT AHMADINEJAD: (facepalm)

nice, that would be so epic.


Probably would be the best use of tax-payer dollars we've ever thrown at that shiat-hole called the Middle East.
 
2012-12-05 07:29:38 PM  
Why do people think that they did not have data to analyze? Given that we already lost one drone over Iran I'd think they would load them up with extraneous hard drives full of interesting but completely false data. Then watch how the false data are propagated and how many resources are thrown at bad projects.

Just because it doesn't come from the factory with a HDD doesn't mean Iran may not find one.
 
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