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2012-12-05 01:09:21 PM  
Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.
 
2012-12-05 01:11:51 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.


Waste not, want not.
 
2012-12-05 01:18:06 PM  
was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."
 
2012-12-05 01:25:24 PM  
Naeem Davis, 30, was taken into custody for questioning Tuesday

"What's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's right, what's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I asked!"
"That's my name."
"What's your name?"
"No, Naeem is."
"Your name is...what?"
"No, Naeem."
*sigh* "Let's try this again. Give me your name."
"That's what I'm telling you. Naeem Davis."
"So, Davis is your first name?"
"No, Davis is my last name."
"And your first name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I'm asking you!"
...
 
2012-12-05 01:31:15 PM  
It was self-defense... Han shoved first.
 
2012-12-05 01:43:15 PM  
Police said Davis made statements implicating himself in Ki-Suck Han's death.

There's also video of him actually doing it...

impaler: Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."


Also, this ^. I'm not sure how I feel about no one going to help the guy, whether I think they are responsible/reprehensible or not. But don't farking try to pretend you're some savior when you're not.
 
2012-12-05 01:43:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.


In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.
 
2012-12-05 01:45:39 PM  

impaler: was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."


Yup, and while he was being heroic and alerting the driver to something he wouldn't have been able to avoid anyway, he managed to line up a really nice shot!
 
2012-12-05 01:48:33 PM  

Snarfangel: Naeem Davis, 30, was taken into custody for questioning Tuesday

"What's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's right, what's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I asked!"
"That's my name."
"What's your name?"
"No, Naeem is."
"Your name is...what?"
"No, Naeem."
*sigh* "Let's try this again. Give me your name."
"That's what I'm telling you. Naeem Davis."
"So, Davis is your first name?"
"No, Davis is my last name."
"And your first name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I'm asking you!"
...


www.searchenginepeople.com
 
2012-12-05 01:59:23 PM  
The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



/Thanks Reagan!
 
2012-12-05 02:04:19 PM  

Cythraul: In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.


Yeah, well here I am. The photographer, a credential professional on assignment, explained himself thoroughly and concisely. Whether or not you choose to believe him is your business. The Post is shiat for running the photo on the front page, but anyone who doesn't think the Post would do that is naive.

The hate on this photographer is inexplicable to me, he did what he could given the situation. Unless he is actually Clark Kent of farking Peter Parker, I am pretty sure nothing else could be done.

I saw him in the Today Show, he was neither of those two.
 
2012-12-05 02:15:06 PM  

Snarfangel: Naeem Davis, 30, was taken into custody for questioning Tuesday

"What's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's right, what's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I asked!"
"That's my name."
"What's your name?"
"No, Naeem is."
"Your name is...what?"
"No, Naeem."
*sigh* "Let's try this again. Give me your name."
"That's what I'm telling you. Naeem Davis."
"So, Davis is your first name?"
"No, Davis is my last name."
"And your first name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I'm asking you!"
...


www.mentalfloss.com

Approves of this exchange. Or ... well....maybe not.
 
2012-12-05 02:15:59 PM  

Ennuipoet: Cythraul: In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.

Yeah, well here I am. The photographer, a credential professional on assignment, explained himself thoroughly and concisely. Whether or not you choose to believe him is your business. The Post is shiat for running the photo on the front page, but anyone who doesn't think the Post would do that is naive.

The hate on this photographer is inexplicable to me, he did what he could given the situation. Unless he is actually Clark Kent of farking Peter Parker, I am pretty sure nothing else could be done.

I saw him in the Today Show, he was neither of those two.


People lost all sympathy for him when he decided to sell the photos to make a quick buck. If he was really a stand-up guy he wouldn't have taken the photo to some trashpaper and have it splashed over the front page for all to see.

And please don't say this is like the self-immolating monk, or the Tank Man at Tiananmen Square. If this guy was trying to make a political statement by standing in front of a train, take all the pictures you want. But he was a man who did not want to die and did not want to make a statement. Nor is this like war where the photographers are in danger and trying to document the atrocities of war for future generations. This photo benefitted no one except the photographer and The Post.

97% of the blame goes to the murderer who pushed him, 2% to The Post for being callous enough to print that as a giant front-page picture, and 1% for the guy who decided to make a quick buck at the expense of another human.
 
2012-12-05 03:09:57 PM  

scottydoesntknow: People lost all sympathy for him when he decided to sell the photos to make a quick buck. If he was really a stand-up guy he wouldn't have taken the photo to some trashpaper and have it splashed over the front page for all to see.


He was on assignment for The Post and contractually the person you are on assignment for usually has right of first refusal. Has he been working for the Daily News, the NYT or the WaPo we would be having the same conversation. (Though likely not about a Front Page photo) He took the photo to the Post, with the police, turned them over to the Photo Editor and the editorial staff made the decision to publish. They paid him for the work, but he didn't go running out waving his memory card to a group of the highest bidders, he was WORKING for the NYP at the time this occurred.
 
2012-12-05 03:34:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.


We're not doing this thread again, are we?
 
2012-12-05 03:42:15 PM  
He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

they somehow figured out they had a total of 22 seconds to rescue the guy? That's a very small window. I definitely would have had a 5-second process the whole situation delay going on for me. It would take at least ten seconds to pull Han up and clear him from the path of the train even for a weightlifter given the type of lift and distance of the lift, not counting the initial setup which would be another five seconds.
 
2012-12-05 03:42:23 PM  

SlothB77: scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.

We're not doing this thread again, are we?


you could have done something to steer the thread in a different direction and save it, but instead you just posted to memorialize that it was happening. honestly, you're the real monster in all of this.
 
2012-12-05 04:40:40 PM  

PreMortem: The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



/Thanks Reagan!


Reagan was the Governor of California not New York and the laws that closed the mental institutions in California were signed in to law by the out going governor Pat Brown not Reagan.
 
2012-12-05 04:41:35 PM  
Can we go back to institutionalizing the mentally ill now?
 
2012-12-05 04:42:55 PM  
The man is homeless so I think he's in jail as it is already, now he'll get a nice prison cell with a change of clothes and possible TV. And as for prison rape, please the guy probably sucked dick already for half a shaving of crack and a quarter bottle of Wild Turkey so you can only imagine what he'll do for protection/loose cigarettes.
 
2012-12-05 04:42:56 PM  

impaler: was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."


Later, we'll here from the train engineer: "I could've stopped the train in time, but some jackass was taking a bunch of pictures right in front of me. It threw me off. I couldn't see anything."
 
2012-12-05 04:44:24 PM  
This is why NYC needs to be nuked from orbit.
 
2012-12-05 04:44:49 PM  
This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.
 
2012-12-05 04:46:30 PM  
Thanks for the NYC story, Seattle PI
 
2012-12-05 04:46:56 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.


And this is why I honestly dont think he will go to jail. Maybe a mental institution for a while.
 
2012-12-05 04:47:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.


Photographer worked for the ny post and got an amazingly composed shot for running and taking pictures
 
2012-12-05 04:47:48 PM  

borg: PreMortem: The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



/Thanks Reagan!

Reagan was the Governor of California not New York and the laws that closed the mental institutions in California were signed in to law by the out going governor Pat Brown not Reagan.


Don't be comin in hear with all those fancy "facts" and reasonable dis-curse! Donchoo know this hyear I'd Fark? We don't cotton to high falutin folk like you round these parts!

/read in a Huck Finn voice
 
2012-12-05 04:48:19 PM  
He probably wouldn't have been so pissed if he had a brand new pair of boots
 
2012-12-05 04:48:48 PM  
NY P.O.S.
And from the headline, I kinda hoped the guy literally threw himself in front of a bus.

/this story is more indicative of the rot in Murdoch's empire than anything else
 
2012-12-05 04:50:15 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.


From a couple of other articles that I read, people said the Asian guy appeared drunk and he had confronted the homeless guy for begging. That is what led to that video of him screaming at the Asian guy to get away from him.
 
2012-12-05 04:50:24 PM  
FTFA: Police said Davis made statements implicating himself in Ki-Suck Han's death... it wasn't immediately clear if he had a lawyer.

Guilty or innocent, don't talk to cops without a lawyer. You may say something that implicates you even if you didn't do anything wrong.
 
2012-12-05 04:51:38 PM  
Cant wait to see the photo
 
2012-12-05 04:53:30 PM  
He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

That pisses me off more than anything else in the story.
 
2012-12-05 04:55:09 PM  

Cybernetic: Can we go back to institutionalizing the mentally ill now?


Sending out the mentally disabled into the streets without a backup plan was not the best idea. But i've read reports and seen photos of the abuses in those places that make the harsh streets look a more welcoming and nicer alternative for these people. We don't need to bring back the institutions. What we need is to provide accesible mental health services in the community. There are studies that indicate that decentalized centers that are not built like prisons and where indigent people with mental illness are allowed the freedom to come and go are actually more cost effective than your traditional institution. These are also less likely to become hot spots of abuse because of the openess/transparency and potentially more likely to actually rehabilitate someone rather than turn them into a ward of the state for their entire existense.
 
2012-12-05 04:56:42 PM  
the photographer is such a liar. "I was using my flash to warn the driver!" yes, a good idea is to blind the driver with flashes so he cant see the man on the tracks, you can see the reflection of his flash in the conductors glasses. Also, i need to know what kind of autofocus this guy has, cause it takes great running and firing shots!
 
2012-12-05 04:56:42 PM  

Cybernetic: Can we go back to institutionalizing the mentally ill now?


If we do that, then who am I going to have to chuck rocks at?
 
2012-12-05 04:57:16 PM  

impaler: was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."


...Especially around Times Square and Rockefeller Center where tourists never take pictures of approaching subways every day.
 
2012-12-05 04:57:41 PM  

RidgeRunner5: He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

That pisses me off more than anything else in the story.


You would have had two dead people the one on the track and the one decapitated by the train. If the Asian guy was in sound mind he would have ducked into the crawl space under the platform.
 
2012-12-05 04:58:19 PM  
As a photographer, I can say that you folks just don't get it.
We capture moments, thats all.
I tend to carry my camera everywhere I go for just this reason. You see something unusual, newsworthy, whatever. You snap the pic.
The photo will probably be used to help put this animal away.
Gotta go to my OTHER job now.
 
2012-12-05 04:59:01 PM  
The guy took pictures, so what? It's not like all these other people rushed in to save the guy while the photographer did nothing but take pictures.

So he sold the pictures, what's the big deal with that? That's how he makes a living. As long as the pictures are legal, then I don't see why he gets blamed.

The newspaper made a business decision. They either make money off the front page placement, or they'll lose money due to the public backlash.

All the whining is pointless in the end. I'd rather have controversial pictures published, then I decide for myself the merits of viewing them or not, than have others decide what I can and can't see.
 
2012-12-05 05:00:08 PM  

gittlebass: the photographer is such a liar. "I was using my flash to warn the driver!" yes, a good idea is to blind the driver with flashes so he cant see the man on the tracks, you can see the reflection of his flash in the conductors glasses. Also, i need to know what kind of autofocus this guy has, cause it takes great running and firing shots!


He was using the flash to tap out an warning. It's the city's fault that subway drivers are not taught morse code.
 
2012-12-05 05:01:15 PM  

Paintbox: As a photographer, I can say that you folks just don't get it.
We capture moments, thats all.
I tend to carry my camera everywhere I go for just this reason. You see something unusual, newsworthy, whatever. You snap the pic.
The photo will probably be used to help put this animal away.


Sure, but then you don't have to lie about your true intentions, do you?
 
2012-12-05 05:06:07 PM  

Phoenix_M: RidgeRunner5: He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

That pisses me off more than anything else in the story.

You would have had two dead people the one on the track and the one decapitated by the train. If the Asian guy was in sound mind he would have ducked into the crawl space under the platform.


It's blatant hypocrisy, though. He's admonishing people for not doing anything, while he did nothing.
 
2012-12-05 05:06:36 PM  
I don't understand the hate on the photographer either. He was a professional doing his job. The far bigger @ssholes are the editors at "The New York Post" who ran the picture in the paper (on the front page no less), and maybe the other bystanders on the platform who didn't even try to pull the man up off of the train tracks.

Years ago, I was a general assignment reporter for a small-town newspaper in Zanesville, Ohio. Our police beat reporter got a picture of the cops pulling a drowning victim out of the river. He'd been missing for several weeks and this was in the full heat of July so the corpse was thoroughly bloated and incredibly disgusting by the time it was recovered. Given the grisly nature of the photograph and the fact that ID on the victim's body showed he was a local man with family in the area, we took a newsroom vote on whether to publish the picture. It would have been a news "scoop" from the journalistic point of view, but our vote was unanimous to not put that image in the paper. And not even the police reporter who took the shot ever complained that his work wasn't used.

Some things don't need to be seen. A description of what happened is enough.

\CSB?
 
2012-12-05 05:09:04 PM  

SlothB77: He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

they somehow figured out they had a total of 22 seconds to rescue the guy? That's a very small window. I definitely would have had a 5-second process the whole situation delay going on for me. It would take at least ten seconds to pull Han up and clear him from the path of the train even for a weightlifter given the type of lift and distance of the lift, not counting the initial setup which would be another five seconds.


They probably got that off of security footage - assuming the dramatization on all those crime shows is based on semi-reality, they have tons of cameras.
 
2012-12-05 05:09:26 PM  

Ennuipoet: Cythraul: In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.

Yeah, well here I am. The photographer, a credential professional on assignment, explained himself thoroughly and concisely. Whether or not you choose to believe him is your business. The Post is shiat for running the photo on the front page, but anyone who doesn't think the Post would do that is naive.

The hate on this photographer is inexplicable to me, he did what he could given the situation. Unless he is actually Clark Kent of farking Peter Parker, I am pretty sure nothing else could be done.

I saw him in the Today Show, he was neither of those two.


When your only tool is a camera, every problem looks like it can be solved with a camera flash.
 
2012-12-05 05:09:27 PM  
Ki-Suck Han

What is that some Star Wars fan fiction? And who's "Ki"? Lucas is getting lazy with these character names.
 
2012-12-05 05:11:10 PM  
I got an idea. Emergency "Passenger on Tracks" button much like a fire-alarm pull-switch. Have one on every other pylon. Someone falls, someone breaks the glass and hits it, then it starts to flash lights for the operators in the tunnels before they the reach the platform.
May not solve some situations, but could definitely avert many of them.
 
2012-12-05 05:11:47 PM  
borg: PreMortem: The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



/Thanks Reagan!

Reagan was the Governor of California not New York and the laws that closed the mental institutions in California were signed in to law by the out going governor Pat Brown not Reagan.

kendelrio:
Don't be comin in hear with all those fancy "facts" and reasonable dis-curse! Donchoo know this hyear I'd Fark? We don't cotton to high falutin folk like you round these parts!

/read in a Huck Finn voice


Reagan was also President of the United States, which includes New York, when he signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, repealing the Mental Health Systems Act.

From the Wiki:

"In 1975 Congress passed an Act requiring community mental health centers to provide aftercare services to all patients in the hopes of improving recovery rates. In 1980, just five years later, Congress passed the Mental Health Systems Act, which provided federal funding for ongoing support and development of community mental health programs.[5] This Act strengthened the connection between federal, state, and local governments with regards to funding for community mental health services. It was the final result of a long series of recommendations by Jimmy Carter's Mental Health Commission.[4] Despite this apparent progress, just a year after the Mental Health Systems Act was passed, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 was passed. The Omnibus Act was passed by the efforts of the Reagan administration as an effort to reduce domestic spending. The Act rescinded a large amount of the legislation just passed, and the legislation that was not rescinded was almost entirely revamped. It effectively ended federal funding of community treatment for the mentally ill, shifting the burden entirely to individual state governments.[7] Federal funding was now replaced by granting smaller amounts of money to the individual states.[8]"



/fancy facts indeed
//read in a JFK voice
 
2012-12-05 05:12:03 PM  
According to the NY Post, the suspect is being charged with 2nd degree murder and 'depraved 'indifference'.
 
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