Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.

scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.

Waste not, want not.

was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."

It was self-defense... Han shoved first.

scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.

In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.

The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



/Thanks Reagan!

Cythraul: In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.

Yeah, well here I am. The photographer, a credential professional on assignment, explained himself thoroughly and concisely. Whether or not you choose to believe him is your business. The Post is shiat for running the photo on the front page, but anyone who doesn't think the Post would do that is naive.

The hate on this photographer is inexplicable to me, he did what he could given the situation. Unless he is actually Clark Kent of farking Peter Parker, I am pretty sure nothing else could be done.

I saw him in the Today Show, he was neither of those two.

Snarfangel: Naeem Davis, 30, was taken into custody for questioning Tuesday

"What's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's right, what's your name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I asked!"
"That's my name."
"What's your name?"
"No, Naeem is."
"Your name is...what?"
"No, Naeem."
*sigh* "Let's try this again. Give me your name."
"That's what I'm telling you. Naeem Davis."
"So, Davis is your first name?"
"No, Davis is my last name."
"And your first name?"
"Naeem."
"That's what I'm asking you!"
...



Approves of this exchange. Or ... well....maybe not.

Ennuipoet: Cythraul: In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.

Yeah, well here I am. The photographer, a credential professional on assignment, explained himself thoroughly and concisely. Whether or not you choose to believe him is your business. The Post is shiat for running the photo on the front page, but anyone who doesn't think the Post would do that is naive.

The hate on this photographer is inexplicable to me, he did what he could given the situation. Unless he is actually Clark Kent of farking Peter Parker, I am pretty sure nothing else could be done.

I saw him in the Today Show, he was neither of those two.

People lost all sympathy for him when he decided to sell the photos to make a quick buck. If he was really a stand-up guy he wouldn't have taken the photo to some trashpaper and have it splashed over the front page for all to see.

And please don't say this is like the self-immolating monk, or the Tank Man at Tiananmen Square. If this guy was trying to make a political statement by standing in front of a train, take all the pictures you want. But he was a man who did not want to die and did not want to make a statement. Nor is this like war where the photographers are in danger and trying to document the atrocities of war for future generations. This photo benefitted no one except the photographer and The Post.

97% of the blame goes to the murderer who pushed him, 2% to The Post for being callous enough to print that as a giant front-page picture, and 1% for the guy who decided to make a quick buck at the expense of another human.

scottydoesntknow: People lost all sympathy for him when he decided to sell the photos to make a quick buck. If he was really a stand-up guy he wouldn't have taken the photo to some trashpaper and have it splashed over the front page for all to see.

He was on assignment for The Post and contractually the person you are on assignment for usually has right of first refusal. Has he been working for the Daily News, the NYT or the WaPo we would be having the same conversation. (Though likely not about a Front Page photo) He took the photo to the Post, with the police, turned them over to the Photo Editor and the editorial staff made the decision to publish. They paid him for the work, but he didn't go running out waving his memory card to a group of the highest bidders, he was WORKING for the NYP at the time this occurred.

scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.

We're not doing this thread again, are we?

He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

they somehow figured out they had a total of 22 seconds to rescue the guy? That's a very small window. I definitely would have had a 5-second process the whole situation delay going on for me. It would take at least ten seconds to pull Han up and clear him from the path of the train even for a weightlifter given the type of lift and distance of the lift, not counting the initial setup which would be another five seconds.

SlothB77: scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.

We're not doing this thread again, are we?

you could have done something to steer the thread in a different direction and save it, but instead you just posted to memorialize that it was happening. honestly, you're the real monster in all of this.

PreMortem: The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



/Thanks Reagan!

Reagan was the Governor of California not New York and the laws that closed the mental institutions in California were signed in to law by the out going governor Pat Brown not Reagan.

This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.

Ow! That was my feelings!: This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.

And this is why I honestly dont think he will go to jail. Maybe a mental institution for a while.

He probably wouldn't have been so pissed if he had a brand new pair of boots

Ow! That was my feelings!: This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.

From a couple of other articles that I read, people said the Asian guy appeared drunk and he had confronted the homeless guy for begging. That is what led to that video of him screaming at the Asian guy to get away from him.

Cybernetic: Can we go back to institutionalizing the mentally ill now?

Sending out the mentally disabled into the streets without a backup plan was not the best idea. But i've read reports and seen photos of the abuses in those places that make the harsh streets look a more welcoming and nicer alternative for these people. We don't need to bring back the institutions. What we need is to provide accesible mental health services in the community. There are studies that indicate that decentalized centers that are not built like prisons and where indigent people with mental illness are allowed the freedom to come and go are actually more cost effective than your traditional institution. These are also less likely to become hot spots of abuse because of the openess/transparency and potentially more likely to actually rehabilitate someone rather than turn them into a ward of the state for their entire existense.

gittlebass: the photographer is such a liar. "I was using my flash to warn the driver!" yes, a good idea is to blind the driver with flashes so he cant see the man on the tracks, you can see the reflection of his flash in the conductors glasses. Also, i need to know what kind of autofocus this guy has, cause it takes great running and firing shots!

He was using the flash to tap out an warning. It's the city's fault that subway drivers are not taught morse code.

Ki-Suck Han

What is that some Star Wars fan fiction? And who's "Ki"? Lucas is getting lazy with these character names.

borg: PreMortem: The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



/Thanks Reagan!

Reagan was the Governor of California not New York and the laws that closed the mental institutions in California were signed in to law by the out going governor Pat Brown not Reagan.
kendelrio:
Don't be comin in hear with all those fancy "facts" and reasonable dis-curse! Donchoo know this hyear I'd Fark? We don't cotton to high falutin folk like you round these parts!

/read in a Huck Finn voice

Reagan was also President of the United States, which includes New York, when he signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, repealing the Mental Health Systems Act.

From the Wiki:

"In 1975 Congress passed an Act requiring community mental health centers to provide aftercare services to all patients in the hopes of improving recovery rates. In 1980, just five years later, Congress passed the Mental Health Systems Act, which provided federal funding for ongoing support and development of community mental health programs.[5] This Act strengthened the connection between federal, state, and local governments with regards to funding for community mental health services. It was the final result of a long series of recommendations by Jimmy Carter's Mental Health Commission.[4] Despite this apparent progress, just a year after the Mental Health Systems Act was passed, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 was passed. The Omnibus Act was passed by the efforts of the Reagan administration as an effort to reduce domestic spending. The Act rescinded a large amount of the legislation just passed, and the legislation that was not rescinded was almost entirely revamped. It effectively ended federal funding of community treatment for the mentally ill, shifting the burden entirely to individual state governments.[7] Federal funding was now replaced by granting smaller amounts of money to the individual states.[8]"



/fancy facts indeed
//read in a JFK voice