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(Business Insider)   Fox News honcho Roger Ailes benches contributors Karl Rove and Dick Morris as punishment for their wildly inaccurate election predictions   (businessinsider.com) divider line 34
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2012-12-05 12:49:04 PM
9 votes:
If "wildly inaccurate" gets one banned from Fox News, how is Fox News not dead air?
2012-12-05 04:20:03 PM
3 votes:

stoli n coke: Benevolent Misanthrope: No, they're reducing their time, not cutting them. Probably because, you know, election season is farking OVER, and that's what they were there for in the first place.

Yep. There's not point to keeping election analysts on the full time payroll when there is no election to analyze.

Besides, Fox News isn't mad at those guys, because they were telling the audience exactly what they wanted to hear, just like every other Fox News talking head.


They're not just cutting their time. This is from one of the cross-links in the linked article:

"Ailes's deputy, Fox News programming chief Bill Shine, has sent out orders mandating that producers must get permission before booking Rove or Morris."

This is a new and very different approach for FOX.
2012-12-05 03:18:26 PM
3 votes:

I Said: I don't understand why this is happening. Morris and Rove made insane predictions, yes, but I didn't see anyone on the right contradict their stupidity. Furthermore, Rove and Morris saying things that are wildly untrue isn't ground breaking stuff. Neither is FNC looking like fools when what is said on there is blatantly untrue.


I actually do watch Fox News, I'm the kind of mouth breathing, gun toting, Jesus loving nincompoop the liberals here always like to malign, but even I got tired of this nonsense. Sean Hannity's Baghdad Bob impersonation was amusing at first, but after a couple of weeks of consistent polls in Obama's favor, hearing him ramble about how Romney has momentum, or just blatantly lying about the polls, just made me turn off the TV. I typically saw O'Reilly call these guys out on their nonsense, but Hannity would just egg them on even more.
2012-12-05 12:38:11 PM
3 votes:
On to fresh, new and hip on air personalities to misinform, obfuscate issues and outright lie to a gullible and scared group of people who yearn for the return to an America that only exists in their mind
2012-12-05 04:17:40 PM
2 votes:
Two images:

www.weakthought.org
"Is that just math you do as a republican to make yourself feel better?"

and

www.turningleft.net
2012-12-05 02:06:57 PM
2 votes:

I Said: don't understand why this is happening. Morris and Rove made insane predictions, yes, but I didn't see anyone on the right contradict their stupidity. Furthermore, Rove and Morris saying things that are wildly untrue isn't ground breaking stuff. Neither is FNC looking like fools when what is said on there is blatantly untrue.



It has been said a million times over, but the that is life in the conservative bubble. I deal with many of these people and it is astonishing the degree of denial they employ in their lives. For many years, I really did not believe it was possible to look an absolute truth in the face in completely see another lie, but these past few years have shattered that idea for me. 

I don't even bother arguing most of the time anymore with these types. I could show them a black piece of paper, tell them it was black, have them hold it, stare at it, hold it and feel it. Finally I would ask them to tear up the black paper. These bubble types would reply, "what black paper? this sheet is white". It is real life brain washing (to varying degrees of course). 

For those parts of life that don't fall into the political spectrum, these same people are more or less sane and reasonable. Get into anything government related and all bets are off. It is physically the same person, but the mindset is from another planet.
2012-12-05 01:51:44 PM
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Who's going to bench Roger Ailes?


with any luck, a massive coronary.
2012-12-05 01:38:45 PM
2 votes:
I don't understand why this is happening. Morris and Rove made insane predictions, yes, but I didn't see anyone on the right contradict their stupidity. Furthermore, Rove and Morris saying things that are wildly untrue isn't ground breaking stuff. Neither is FNC looking like fools when what is said on there is blatantly untrue.
2012-12-05 01:23:50 PM
2 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: With Adelson saying he's prepared to spend even more next time, I have a feeling that Rove will soon be forgiven once Republicans remember that his being a lying sack of shiat is a feature, not a bug.


I don't know. Crossroads was 0-fer in the races they backed. That's not a track record of success. Hell, that's not even a track record of mediocrity. Adelson may be willing to blow $200 million to put his guy in the White House, but I'll bet damned if he's going to entrust it to a guy who lost all his races AND got all pouty about not seeing the writing on the wall, to the point that Megyn Kelly> had to call him on his BS.

I think Rove's chances of being 1/10 as prominent next election cycle are about on par with Bobby Valentine's being courted by a team with title hopes at any time in the next 4 years.
2012-12-05 12:50:40 PM
2 votes:
With Adelson saying he's prepared to spend even more next time, I have a feeling that Rove will soon be forgiven once Republicans remember that his being a lying sack of shiat is a feature, not a bug.
2012-12-05 12:43:20 PM
2 votes:
Who's going to bench Roger Ailes?
2012-12-06 08:40:21 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: qorkfiend: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So Ailes benched Turdblossom because of inaccuracy and NOT BECAUSE ROVE TRIED TO STEAL OHIO THROUGH ELECTRONIC VOTER FRAUD?

He could be benching him because Rove failed at stealing Ohio.


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Exactly. Stealing Ohio is a Republican tradition. Just ask this gentleman about 2004. Not that you'll get the truth out of him, but...


A hell of a lot easier than trying to ask Micheal Connel about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Connell
2012-12-06 06:14:56 AM
1 votes:
It's rapidly becoming clear that Rove's meltdown on election night was him realizing that his relevance and career were crumbling before his eyes, and desperately trying to will the universe into producing a different outcome. He's been coasting on his reputation as some kind of ruthless political savant ever since 2004, but what has he really achieved since then? Huge losses in 2006 and 2008; 2010 staunched the bleeding, but I dunno how much of that he can really claim credit for. This election may have finally finished him in politics. You don't blow hundreds of millions of dollars without a single victory and then keep on dictating strategy like nothing happened.

You almost have to feel sorry for him, but then you remember that he outed a CIA agent as an act of political vengeance against her husband, and should probably be in jail right now.
2012-12-05 05:36:17 PM
1 votes:

MrEricSir: Rove is over. You don't piss away millions in donations and still get to keep your job.


I dunno. The Pope is still going strong.
2012-12-05 05:18:32 PM
1 votes:
Rove is over. You don't piss away millions in donations and still get to keep your job.
2012-12-05 05:03:42 PM
1 votes:
Huh, I guess elections DO have consequences!
2012-12-05 04:58:42 PM
1 votes:

I Said: I don't understand why this is happening. Morris and Rove made insane predictions, yes, but I didn't see anyone on the right contradict their stupidity. Furthermore, Rove and Morris saying things that are wildly untrue isn't ground breaking stuff. Neither is FNC looking like fools when what is said on there is blatantly untrue.


I think the difference is that this time they didn't only say things that were objectively false. This time, they actually said things that were both objectively false and which were known to the majority of viewers to be objectively false.

You can be wrong on Fox News as long as the majority of viewers don't have any idea how wrong you are. Since Fox News viewers are pretty uninformed, that's generally not too hard to trick. Remember, this is a network that imagines a never-ending War on Christmas, and tirelessly spin Sarah Palin's completely nonsensical answer about Paul Revere ringing bells to warn the British that we were armed as a "mostly correct" answer to the gotcha question "What have you seen so far today [in Boston], and what are you going to take away from your visit?"

But it turns out that even most ardent Fox News viewers are still aware of who won the 2012 elections. There's almost no way to spin or obfuscate how blatantly wrong they were about this. They can hem and haw and say that Mitt Romney got more votes among all the people who matter (i.e., white people), but they can't get away from the cold hard reality that a lot of pundits came on Fox news to predict that Obama would lose, and then Obama did not lose.
2012-12-05 04:52:18 PM
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: Okay, did I watch a different clip of Carl Rove than everybody else? They keep calling that a meltdown. He _sounded_ reasoned and reasonable. (And the numbers I saw suggested to me that calling Ohio at that point probably _was_ a bit premature.)

Granted, his facts were wrong; granted, he very much wanted his facts to be true. Granted, I'd truly enjoy kicking Turdblossom in the nuts repeatedly. But nothing I saw in that clip even slightly resembled anything like a meltdown. The only out-of-line behavior I saw were the awkward snide insults lobbed in by the faux news crew when he dared contradict their interpretation.


At the time they still hadn't counted the bluest, blue county in Ohio... that has been blue since forever.... that Obama won with 73odd% of the vote last time.... that Romney needed to carry by 80+% to win

And this was all known by everyone when Rove was pulling his shtick.
2012-12-05 04:51:46 PM
1 votes:

spman: I Said: I don't understand why this is happening. Morris and Rove made insane predictions, yes, but I didn't see anyone on the right contradict their stupidity. Furthermore, Rove and Morris saying things that are wildly untrue isn't ground breaking stuff. Neither is FNC looking like fools when what is said on there is blatantly untrue.

I actually do watch Fox News, I'm the kind of mouth breathing, gun toting, Jesus loving nincompoop the liberals here always like to malign, but even I got tired of this nonsense. Sean Hannity's Baghdad Bob impersonation was amusing at first, but after a couple of weeks of consistent polls in Obama's favor, hearing him ramble about how Romney has momentum, or just blatantly lying about the polls, just made me turn off the TV. I typically saw O'Reilly call these guys out on their nonsense, but Hannity would just egg them on even more.


If you recognize that FOX was plainly and confidently lying about the election doesn't that make you wonder about what else they may be lying about?
2012-12-05 04:30:13 PM
1 votes:
Fox "News" benching someone for being inaccurate? Why start now?
2012-12-05 04:29:35 PM
1 votes:

TalenLee: homelessdude: git ur facts strate

Study it out!


HA! That has been my favorite meme of the past month. When that video appeared right at the end of the campaign, it was like icing on the cake. Even sweeter after the results came in.

i.qkme.me
2012-12-05 04:15:41 PM
1 votes:
Potential replacement?

www.rawstory.com
2012-12-05 04:08:07 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: Good.


The powers-that-be on Fark should follow Ailes lesson and limit how often you get to post.
2012-12-05 04:07:18 PM
1 votes:

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: I went to a gun show last week


Dude! Gun shows are like Derp Pride Parades.
2012-12-05 04:07:00 PM
1 votes:

ordinarysteve: They will just be replaced by equally sleezey talking heads


cloudtransit.files.wordpress.com
2012-12-05 04:04:48 PM
1 votes:
Rove is out because he made Fox News look like fools to even their most avid cool aid drinkers, mostly because reality popped their bubble. Ailes is out because he was in charge of the GOP's propaganda division and they blame him for the loss.
2012-12-05 04:03:43 PM
1 votes:
Okay, did I watch a different clip of Carl Rove than everybody else? They keep calling that a meltdown. He _sounded_ reasoned and reasonable. (And the numbers I saw suggested to me that calling Ohio at that point probably _was_ a bit premature.)

Granted, his facts were wrong; granted, he very much wanted his facts to be true. Granted, I'd truly enjoy kicking Turdblossom in the nuts repeatedly. But nothing I saw in that clip even slightly resembled anything like a meltdown. The only out-of-line behavior I saw were the awkward snide insults lobbed in by the faux news crew when he dared contradict their interpretation.
2012-12-05 03:59:10 PM
1 votes:
People don't lie low for penitence; they lie low to cover their asses so they can resume their shiatty activities in the future.
2012-12-05 03:52:15 PM
1 votes:
Good.
2012-12-05 01:45:02 PM
1 votes:
This just means there will be more Malikin, Coulter and Krauthammer.
2012-12-05 01:12:52 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Benching people for doing a bad job? Can we get Roger a job in government?!


Roger is responsible for a lot of those idiots in office.

You know- the ones who hates cripples like Bob Dole. Deficit minded people like Dick Cheny, who said Ronnie proved they didn't matter.
2012-12-05 11:25:15 AM
1 votes:
No, they're reducing their time, not cutting them. Probably because, you know, election season is farking OVER, and that's what they were there for in the first place.

Jeez. If only they were cut.
2012-12-05 11:16:47 AM
1 votes:
Good.

Fark off, ham steak.
2012-12-05 11:15:35 AM
1 votes:
Thank gawd I don't have to listen to Dick Morris' old Jewish woman voice anymore.
 
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