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(Business Insider)   Andrew Zimmern takes a short break from gobbling down raw yak testicles and dry-aged tapir anus to inform the general public that they know nothing of fine dining and have no business opining about it on Yelp   (businessinsider.com) divider line 117
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2012-12-05 12:53:26 PM  
If we know nothing about fine dining, then reviews from other people who know nothing of fine dining should be suitable.
 
2012-12-05 12:59:01 PM  
I tend to agree with Zimmerman on this one: The general public is too stupid to have an opinion on what kind of food and service they like when they go out to eat. The masses should let the experts tell them what they like.
 
2012-12-05 12:59:17 PM  
DRINK!

Oh, wait. I think I might have the wrong thread...
 
2012-12-05 01:14:31 PM  
A restaurant in San Francisco was driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link
 
2012-12-05 01:24:01 PM  

borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link


Are you sure that's why they went out of business? I just looked up the Yelp reviews and there seems to be a mixture of good and bad.
 
2012-12-05 01:28:35 PM  
Oh good, another person to tell us what we like. We really need that.
 
2012-12-05 01:28:41 PM  
Fark you, Yelper!

My favorite: "I ordered the broiled crab cakes and they were really good and i called and asked if i could speak to the supervisor and the girl that asnswerd the phone wanted to know what it was in reference to and I told her it was regarding the food i ordered and and she said what was wrong with it and i said nothing i just wanted to let him or her know that it was good and then she was like ok hold on. When the manager got on the phone and i thanked him and let him know it was good he said thank you and you welcome but seemed like he was in a rush. I don't think i will be eating their anymore because if the manager is not nice then what does that say about the business they are running and the people in it.
1-star review of Stratford Diner by Dalia B."

Any Yelp review you read should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people just can't write a review without focusing on one issue and giving out 1 star because of it.
 
2012-12-05 01:29:15 PM  

sweetmelissa31: borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link

Are you sure that's why they went out of business? I just looked up the Yelp reviews and there seems to be a mixture of good and bad.


There have been news stories about it in the last few days. Yelp might be scrubbing the fake reviews.
 
2012-12-05 01:31:09 PM  
Hey, don't knock the tapir anus until you've tried it. It is remarkable.
 
2012-12-05 01:33:35 PM  
People are morons. Morons in very large groups tend to be more right than wrong about basic stuff like food.
 
2012-12-05 01:37:21 PM  

Surly U. Jest: Hey, don't knock the tapir anus until you've tried it. It is remarkable.


Especially with oil, I suspect.
 
2012-12-05 01:38:10 PM  
Professional critic in favor of his own job security. Film at 11.
 
2012-12-05 01:38:19 PM  

Surly U. Jest: Hey, don't knock the tapir anus until you've tried it. It is remarkable.


And I am nuts for the raw Yak testicles. What Jewels they are.
 
2012-12-05 01:39:07 PM  
Yelp is not helpful.
 
2012-12-05 01:40:20 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Yelp is not helpful.


It's helpful if you're traveling and looking for a nearby place to eat.

But review-wise. Yeah. Not so much.
 
2012-12-05 01:40:31 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark you, Yelper!

My favorite: "I ordered the broiled crab cakes and they were really good and i called and asked if i could speak to the supervisor and the girl that asnswerd the phone wanted to know what it was in reference to and I told her it was regarding the food i ordered and and she said what was wrong with it and i said nothing i just wanted to let him or her know that it was good and then she was like ok hold on. When the manager got on the phone and i thanked him and let him know it was good he said thank you and you welcome but seemed like he was in a rush. I don't think i will be eating their anymore because if the manager is not nice then what does that say about the business they are running and the people in it.
1-star review of Stratford Diner by Dalia B."

Any Yelp review you read should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people just can't write a review without focusing on one issue and giving out 1 star because of it.


That's a helluva couple of run-on sentences.
 
2012-12-05 01:41:05 PM  
He's right, but that's the point of Yelp. Not everyone wants a review from a food critic.
 
2012-12-05 01:42:38 PM  
Sites like Yelp and Tripadvisor are good if you know how to use them.

I tend to ignore 5 star and 1 star reviews and look at the 2 & 4s.

Then you see what people are complaining about. If several people have the same issue, then you may be on to something.
 
2012-12-05 01:44:22 PM  
I find Yelp pretty useless.

When travelling, I'll use Urbanspoon to find places to dine and Google Maps results for "dive bar" to find places to drink. Haven't been steered wrong yet.
 
2012-12-05 01:46:27 PM  

borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was CLAIMED IT WAS IN PART driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link


FTFY.

They were first time restaurant owners who took over a beloved local spot in the Castro. SF in general and neighborhoods like the Castro in particular are very difficult to survive in for restaurants. They're executive chef left in the first year, and the place didn't seem well-run.
 
2012-12-05 01:47:34 PM  
Maybe Zimmerman is afraid that if enough people critique restaurants he'll lose his job with Travel. After all getting paid to travel all over the world tasting exotic food is quite the gig.
 
2012-12-05 01:49:27 PM  

Snargi: Maybe ZimmermanZimmern is afraid that if enough people critique restaurants he'll lose his job with Travel. After all getting paid to travel all over the world tasting exotic food is quite the gig.


/I always read that as Zimmerman
 
2012-12-05 01:49:50 PM  

Shostie: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Yelp is not helpful.

It's helpful if you're traveling and looking for a nearby place to eat.

But review-wise. Yeah. Not so much.


I'll buy that.
 
2012-12-05 01:51:09 PM  

borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link


wow, that just farking sucks.
 
2012-12-05 01:56:36 PM  

Surly U. Jest: Hey, don't knock the tapir anus until you've tried it. It is remarkable.


Meh, I found it to be a little leathery.
 
2012-12-05 01:58:09 PM  
I love Yelp reviews. At best, the complaints are incorrect expectations.

At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.
 
2012-12-05 01:59:30 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I love Yelp reviews. At best, the complaints are incorrect expectations.

At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.


Usually here in Houston if you look at the Chinese restaurant reviews, there are always complaints that they serve their sodas single serving in a can, rather than a refillable fountain drink.
 
2012-12-05 01:59:37 PM  
The fundamental problem with online reviews is that they're written by the type of people who write online reviews, i.e., crazy people.
 
2012-12-05 02:04:50 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I love Yelp reviews. At best, the complaints are incorrect expectations.

At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.


Okay, you've inspired me to find a local place that I love and adore and would recommend to anyone and find a horrible review...

Casita Taqueria

We recently moved from the Chicago area and were excited about going after reading a review in the newspaper. Boy, were we sorry. First, you're not sure if you get waited on or not. Not! You order your food and they bring to you (which is OK if you know that). We though we would authentic mexican food. NOT!!! The corn tortillas were very good, but the rest was not authentic. Black beans!! Where's the pinto beans and mexican rice and since when do you have to BUY chips and salsa (chips were good). Oh, and it was not inexpensive. Come on now, mexican food should be really inexpensive., DISAPPOINTED.

Go back to flyover country.
 
2012-12-05 02:08:04 PM  

tricycleracer: Rapmaster2000: I love Yelp reviews. At best, the complaints are incorrect expectations.

At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.

Okay, you've inspired me to find a local place that I love and adore and would recommend to anyone and find a horrible review...

Casita Taqueria

We recently moved from the Chicago area and were excited about going after reading a review in the newspaper. Boy, were we sorry. First, you're not sure if you get waited on or not. Not! You order your food and they bring to you (which is OK if you know that). We though we would authentic mexican food. NOT!!! The corn tortillas were very good, but the rest was not authentic. Black beans!! Where's the pinto beans and mexican rice and since when do you have to BUY chips and salsa (chips were good). Oh, and it was not inexpensive. Come on now, mexican food should be really inexpensive., DISAPPOINTED.

Go back to flyover country.


There is so much racism in that review, the "That's racist!" gif wouldn't do it justice.

/gonna go home and cook my really cheap pinto beans and pot of Mexican rice, because, you know, that's what all us goddamn Mexicans eat.
 
2012-12-05 02:10:18 PM  

Snargi: Snargi: Maybe ZimmermanZimmern is afraid that if enough people critique restaurants he'll lose his job with Travel. After all getting paid to travel all over the world tasting exotic food is quite the gig.

/I always read that as Zimmerman


That's like Roger Ebert worrying about youtube comments.
 
2012-12-05 02:11:05 PM  

FinFangFark: Rapmaster2000: I love Yelp reviews. At best, the complaints are incorrect expectations.

At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.

Usually here in Houston if you look at the Chinese restaurant reviews, there are always complaints that they serve their sodas single serving in a can, rather than a refillable fountain drink.


Given the nasties that can live in soda fountains they should count their blessings
 
2012-12-05 02:11:35 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I tend to agree with Zimmerman on this one: The general public is too stupid to have an opinion on what kind of food and service they like when they go out to eat. The masses should let the experts tell them what they like.



On behalf of my people, I'll eat what I want...
 
2012-12-05 02:12:31 PM  
"People who know less than me about X shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion"

I always ask those people if they have opinions on other subjects and then suggest they should STFU.
 
2012-12-05 02:14:04 PM  

borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link


No, it wasn't.
 
2012-12-05 02:16:08 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark you, Yelper!

My favorite: "I ordered the broiled crab cakes and they were really good and i called and asked if i could speak to the supervisor and the girl that asnswerd the phone wanted to know what it was in reference to and I told her it was regarding the food i ordered and and she said what was wrong with it and i said nothing i just wanted to let him or her know that it was good and then she was like ok hold on. When the manager got on the phone and i thanked him and let him know it was good he said thank you and you welcome but seemed like he was in a rush. I don't think i will be eating their anymore because if the manager is not nice then what does that say about the business they are running and the people in it.
1-star review of Stratford Diner by Dalia B."

Any Yelp review you read should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people just can't write a review without focusing on one issue and giving out 1 star because of it.


I'd love to know when she called. I get better responses from restaurants if I call with feedback (good or bad) during not-slammed times.
 
2012-12-05 02:17:10 PM  

tricycleracer: Okay, you've inspired me to find a local place that I love and adore and would recommend to anyone and find a horrible review...


Here's the deal: There are people in this world, a lot of people, who go out to eat for the express purpose of being disappointed. My own grandmother is like this. My grandmother has never had a positive dining experience in her entire life. I've literally never been out to eat with her when she didn't get upset about something, be it the temperature of the restaurant, the noise level, the server, the food...whatever.

The weird thing is, she's a wonderful, nice person. And I know other people who are the same way.

There is something about restaurants that trigger a kind of instinct in some people that forces them to be disappointed. A lot of these types of people write online reviews.
 
2012-12-05 02:20:09 PM  

MugzyBrown: Sites like Yelp and Tripadvisor are good if you know how to use them.

I tend to ignore 5 star and 1 star reviews and look at the 2 & 4s.

Then you see what people are complaining about. If several people have the same issue, then you may be on to something.


This. Anything overly glowing and positive is a shill review most likely. Anything making a bunch of hay about minor things is most likely a single issues voter type person: a single thing wrong RUINS EVERYTHING. I usually take in all the reviews and look for repeat occurrences, especially from reviewers that have a loooong review history. This can also apply to Newegg reviews.
 
2012-12-05 02:22:04 PM  
yelp: ensuring shiat restaurants get business... while helping to ensure no one eats anywhere nice.

/ i only use yelp by accident, when googling a restaurant to get an address/phone number/menu when the restaurant does not have a website.
// reading user comments may be the most unreliable source of information on earth. you get what you pay for... if you pick a restaurant based on yelp users, you might as well eat at applebee's
/// an example of how bad most people's tastes are: go to a fark food thread, pick anyone recipe at random. 9/10 it's campbell's soup and canned vegetables in a caserole and everyone's sucking each other's dicks over it. 
/// 1/10 of the time, some one actually provides something good. why i continue farking and maintaining hope for humanity... 1/10 of the time
 
2012-12-05 02:24:45 PM  

fustanella: Treygreen13: Fark you, Yelper!

My favorite: "I ordered the broiled crab cakes and they were really good and i called and asked if i could speak to the supervisor and the girl that asnswerd the phone wanted to know what it was in reference to and I told her it was regarding the food i ordered and and she said what was wrong with it and i said nothing i just wanted to let him or her know that it was good and then she was like ok hold on. When the manager got on the phone and i thanked him and let him know it was good he said thank you and you welcome but seemed like he was in a rush. I don't think i will be eating their anymore because if the manager is not nice then what does that say about the business they are running and the people in it.
1-star review of Stratford Diner by Dalia B."

Any Yelp review you read should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people just can't write a review without focusing on one issue and giving out 1 star because of it.

I'd love to know when she called. I get better responses from restaurants if I call with feedback (good or bad) during not-slammed times.


Exactly. "I called at 7:30pm on a Friday night two days after the largest local employer's payday, and they seemed rushed and too busy to chat with me for 45 minutes. How rude, 1 star"
 
2012-12-05 02:25:21 PM  

sigdiamond2000: There is something about restaurants that trigger a kind of instinct in some people that forces them to be disappointed. A lot of these types of people write online reviews.


I'm sure it's probably just the people I know, but for some reason, I've only had that experience around some females. Every man I know who had orders screwed up will say "close enough", eat the food and just not leave a tip or something. Most women I know go to extremes for how the food is to be prepared, a list of substitutions and then trying to get substitutions not on the list, if it's too hot or too cold it gets returned to the kitchen. I feel sorry for the waiters/waitresses most of the time after I see what they have to go through to make some people happy.
 
2012-12-05 02:25:24 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark you, Yelper!

My favorite: "I ordered the broiled crab cakes and they were really good and i called and asked if i could speak to the supervisor and the girl that asnswerd the phone wanted to know what it was in reference to and I told her it was regarding the food i ordered and and she said what was wrong with it and i said nothing i just wanted to let him or her know that it was good and then she was like ok hold on. When the manager got on the phone and i thanked him and let him know it was good he said thank you and you welcome but seemed like he was in a rush. I don't think i will be eating their anymore because if the manager is not nice then what does that say about the business they are running and the people in it.
1-star review of Stratford Diner by Dalia B."

Any Yelp review you read should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people just can't write a review without focusing on one issue and giving out 1 star because of it.


Mrs Palin, go home. You are drunk, and this Sizzler has been here long before Yelp (and the internet).
 
2012-12-05 02:28:44 PM  

pute kisses like a man: yelp: ensuring shiat restaurants get business... while helping to ensure no one eats anywhere nice.

/ i only use yelp by accident, when googling a restaurant to get an address/phone number/menu when the restaurant does not have a website.
// reading user comments may be the most unreliable source of information on earth. you get what you pay for... if you pick a restaurant based on yelp users, you might as well eat at applebee's
/// an example of how bad most people's tastes are: go to a fark food thread, pick anyone recipe at random. 9/10 it's campbell's soup and canned vegetables in a caserole and everyone's sucking each other's dicks over it. 
/// 1/10 of the time, some one actually provides something good. why i continue farking and maintaining hope for humanity... 1/10 of the time


This I work in a sushi restaurant, we have a dollar night, it's all the end leftover, small cuts, and a cheaper grade of tuna; we pre roll maki and rice balls. It is the McDonald's equivalent of sushi. We regularly have a line around the building and people raving about how great it is. I know it's shiat, I made it, but people will constantly tell anyone who listen about how it's amazing and such a great price, like they were a freaking foodie dinning at a Michelin star restaurant. It helps my paycheck, but it's really discourage me in hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.
 
2012-12-05 02:30:41 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Here's the deal: There are people in this world, a lot of people, who go out to eat for the express purpose of being disappointed.


You've got a point. In 68 years on this earth, my father has never had a steak cooked correctly. Gotta be the unluckiest guy ever.
 
2012-12-05 02:36:03 PM  

pkellmey: sigdiamond2000: There is something about restaurants that trigger a kind of instinct in some people that forces them to be disappointed. A lot of these types of people write online reviews.

I'm sure it's probably just the people I know, but for some reason, I've only had that experience around some females. Every man I know who had orders screwed up will say "close enough", eat the food and just not leave a tip or something. Most women I know go to extremes for how the food is to be prepared, a list of substitutions and then trying to get substitutions not on the list, if it's too hot or too cold it gets returned to the kitchen.


People who feel powerless in life tend to exert as much power as they can in situations where they can get away with it.

It's the same reason homeless people walk so slow in front of cars at crosswalks.
 
2012-12-05 02:37:30 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats


Yelp is not helpful.


And help is not Yelpful.
 
2012-12-05 02:38:55 PM  

tjsands1118


hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.


You don't get to complain about anyone's palate until you learn how to spell 'palate'.
 
2012-12-05 02:40:48 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: tjsands1118

hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.


You don't get to complain about anyone's palate until you learn how to spell 'palate'.


What a refined pallet may look like:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-05 02:56:12 PM  

tjsands1118: pute kisses like a man: yelp: ensuring shiat restaurants get business... while helping to ensure no one eats anywhere nice.

/ i only use yelp by accident, when googling a restaurant to get an address/phone number/menu when the restaurant does not have a website.
// reading user comments may be the most unreliable source of information on earth. you get what you pay for... if you pick a restaurant based on yelp users, you might as well eat at applebee's
/// an example of how bad most people's tastes are: go to a fark food thread, pick anyone recipe at random. 9/10 it's campbell's soup and canned vegetables in a caserole and everyone's sucking each other's dicks over it. 
/// 1/10 of the time, some one actually provides something good. why i continue farking and maintaining hope for humanity... 1/10 of the time

This I work in a sushi restaurant, we have a dollar night, it's all the end leftover, small cuts, and a cheaper grade of tuna; we pre roll maki and rice balls. It is the McDonald's equivalent of sushi. We regularly have a line around the building and people raving about how great it is. I know it's shiat, I made it, but people will constantly tell anyone who listen about how it's amazing and such a great price, like they were a freaking foodie dinning at a Michelin star restaurant. It helps my paycheck, but it's really discourage me in hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.


so you've probably got a better perspective on it.

I just grew up thinking my mom was the greatest chef on the planet. going out to eat was always a disappointment, even as an adult. then i moved to new orleans, and this is the first city I've ever lived in that has a few restaurants whose food is better than or at least comparable to my mom's cooking. or, they offer cuisine that my mom would never make (and it's blow out your brains awesome).

but, whenever I'm on vacation and try to find someplace to eat, the internet is almost invariably a bad source of information. i've had much better luck finding a really good bar and asking the bartenders where to eat. or even asking waiters at a restaurant where I should eat next.
 
2012-12-05 02:58:25 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I tend to agree with Zimmerman on this one: The general public is too stupid to have an opinion on what kind of food and service they like when they go out to eat. The masses should let the experts tell them what they like.


And yet Zimmerman has spent many a column opining on economics, business, and other shiat he knows absolutely nothing about.

/the guy is an idiot and deserves no ones respect
 
2012-12-05 03:00:41 PM  
Yelp is only good provided that you are looking for the following:

-Cheap, quality food (quality is a bit harder to find, but the average is usually right in most cases)
-Local dives

If I want well informed critiques about dining out it most likely will involve going somewhere that I know the tab will be $250+ for two people and best believe I will not be relying on yelp for that.

/Zagat baby!
 
2012-12-05 03:08:06 PM  
The bald fark that slurps and chews into the mic like a cow chewing its cud? Yeah, I give two farks what he thinks about anything.
 
2012-12-05 03:15:16 PM  

gingerjet: Lucky LaRue: I tend to agree with Zimmerman on this one: The general public is too stupid to have an opinion on what kind of food and service they like when they go out to eat. The masses should let the experts tell them what they like.

And yet Zimmerman has spent many a column opining on economics, business, and other shiat he knows absolutely nothing about.

/the guy is an idiot and deserves no ones respect


Give Zimmerman a break, he was a homeless crackhead for several years. He often jokes about the smokinggun not being able to find his mug shots.
 
2012-12-05 03:17:49 PM  

Snargi: Maybe Zimmerman is afraid that if enough people critique restaurants he'll lose his job with Travel. After all getting paid to travel all over the world tasting exotic food is quite the gig.


I don't understand how these two things are related? Zimmern is not a food restaurant critic.
 
2012-12-05 03:20:07 PM  

mcwehrle: Snargi: Maybe Zimmerman is afraid that if enough people critique restaurants he'll lose his job with Travel. After all getting paid to travel all over the world tasting exotic food is quite the gig.

I don't understand how these two things are related? Zimmern is not a food restaurant critic.


Unless you consider "the open pit behind an Indonesian opium den where they slow-roast dog kidneys" a "restaurant".
 
2012-12-05 03:25:14 PM  

tricycleracer: mcwehrle: Snargi: Maybe Zimmerman is afraid that if enough people critique restaurants he'll lose his job with Travel. After all getting paid to travel all over the world tasting exotic food is quite the gig.

I don't understand how these two things are related? Zimmern is not a food restaurant critic.

Unless you consider "the open pit behind an Indonesian opium den where they slow-roast dog kidneys" a "restaurant".


heh.

That still isn't as bad as that fermented fat/some sort of offal caked in salt and put in a jar and left for something like a month at room temperature. He took a bite of it, and *I* threw up in my mouth a little.
 
2012-12-05 03:28:00 PM  
Yelp is absolute rubbish, and if you talk to most restaurant and other retail business owners, it's also bald extortion. You can pay to promote good reviews, and often as some troll ruins their Yelp page, they are left with little choice.

Some of the ignorant reviews of my favorite local haunts are just infuriating. Places that I've gone to for 10 years and never had a problem, and people are whining about stupid shiat and expecting five star service and food for the price of three star service and food.

The worst thing is, for many restaurants you'll have 7 good to great reviews, and then there will be three one star reviews mixed in, just totally trashing the place. "Did they even go to the same restaurant?" you think.

For small town, independent restaurants, the decent reviews often can't relegate the troll reviews to the noise, so people end up getting a really bad opinion of a place that's actually just fine.

When I look for restaurants in unfamiliar places I'm visiting, I ignore yelp and go with my gut. Sometimes if Google Maps has an aggregated star rating on the pop-up summary I'll take that into consideration if there are several choices.

I started a food review site for independent and ethnic restaurants in my local area mostly for friends and co-workers, with no user comments, just my personal opinions. And I like to think I give each restaurant a fair chance, visiting each one several times before making a review, just as a (good) professional food critic would.
 
2012-12-05 03:32:26 PM  

gingerjet: Lucky LaRue: I tend to agree with Zimmerman on this one: The general public is too stupid to have an opinion on what kind of food and service they like when they go out to eat. The masses should let the experts tell them what they like.

And yet Zimmerman has spent many a column opining on economics, business, and other shiat he knows absolutely nothing about.


I am reading this on Fark.
 
2012-12-05 03:36:21 PM  

pute kisses like a man: /// an example of how bad most people's tastes are: go to a fark food thread, pick anyone recipe at random. 9/10 it's campbell's soup and canned vegetables in a caserole and everyone's sucking each other's dicks over it. 
/// 1/10 of the time, some one actually provides something good. why i continue farking and maintaining hope for humanity... 1/10 of the time


What do you expect? People who suck a lot of dick probably don't have the acuity of taste and refined palates. Otherwise, they wouldn't suck dicks.

/well... maybe 1 out of 10 dicks.
 
2012-12-05 03:44:36 PM  
Yelp reviews are about as insightful as YouTube comments.
 
2012-12-05 03:45:09 PM  

Rahsa Naba Doe-ah Gola Wookiee Nipple Pinchy: Surly U. Jest: Hey, don't knock the tapir anus until you've tried it. It is remarkable.

Meh, I found it to be a little leathery.


I assume you know better, but you didn't cook it, did you? Because heat destroys the essence of the dish.
 
2012-12-05 03:45:45 PM  

tricycleracer: Rapmaster2000: I love Yelp reviews. At best, the complaints are incorrect expectations.

At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.

Okay, you've inspired me to find a local place that I love and adore and would recommend to anyone and find a horrible review...

Casita Taqueria

We recently moved from the Chicago area and were excited about going after reading a review in the newspaper. Boy, were we sorry. First, you're not sure if you get waited on or not. Not! You order your food and they bring to you (which is OK if you know that). We though we would authentic mexican food. NOT!!! The corn tortillas were very good, but the rest was not authentic. Black beans!! Where's the pinto beans and mexican rice and since when do you have to BUY chips and salsa (chips were good). Oh, and it was not inexpensive. Come on now, mexican food should be really inexpensive., DISAPPOINTED.

Go back to flyover country.


That is a horrible review, but i got more of a chuckle from someone in St. Petersburg calling Chicago "flyover country".
 
2012-12-05 03:47:30 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I tend to agree with Zimmerman on this one: The general public is too stupid to have an opinion on what kind of food and service they like when they go out to eat. The masses should let the experts tell them what they like.


It's the same issue with Amazon reviews ... people don't seem to grasp the concept of the 4-5 star rating system. I can't tell you how many yelp's reviews I've seen saying "Well, I ordered crabcakes, but then I realized I don't really like the taste of crab that much so .... 1 star". An utterly disastrous meal is worthy of 1 star, not merely disappointing. Same thing on the other side of the coin on giving 5 star reviews because someone put extra guacamole on your Chipotle burrito.
 
2012-12-05 03:51:57 PM  

Moopy Mac: That is a horrible review, but i got more of a chuckle from someone in St. Petersburg calling Chicago "flyover country".


Just sayin'.

media.theonion.com
 
2012-12-05 03:52:32 PM  

Rapmaster2000: At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.


Yes, ethnic food reviews on Yelp are the worst.

"I'd give this place zero stars if I could. They put cilantro on everything. Ugh, I hate cilantro!!!!"
 
2012-12-05 03:55:26 PM  
Geez, Andrew. Did you get ahold of a bad yak testicle or somethin'?
 
2012-12-05 03:57:13 PM  

InmanRoshi: Lucky LaRue: I tend to agree with Zimmerman on this one: The general public is too stupid to have an opinion on what kind of food and service they like when they go out to eat. The masses should let the experts tell them what they like.

It's the same issue with Amazon reviews ... people don't seem to grasp the concept of the 4-5 star rating system. I can't tell you how many yelp's reviews I've seen saying "Well, I ordered crabcakes, but then I realized I don't really like the taste of crab that much so .... 1 star". An utterly disastrous meal is worthy of 1 star, not merely disappointing. Same thing on the other side of the coin on giving 5 star reviews because someone put extra guacamole on your Chipotle burrito.


Anyone who has ever taken a statistical methods class is now reviewing their notes on the criticisms of Likert-type scales. Does Yelp have a "star standard", where they clearly explain what a "1-star rating" means vs a "5-star"?
 
2012-12-05 04:01:59 PM  

pkellmey: sigdiamond2000: There is something about restaurants that trigger a kind of instinct in some people that forces them to be disappointed. A lot of these types of people write online reviews.

I'm sure it's probably just the people I know, but for some reason, I've only had that experience around some females. Every man I know who had orders screwed up will say "close enough", eat the food and just not leave a tip or something. Most women I know go to extremes for how the food is to be prepared, a list of substitutions and then trying to get substitutions not on the list, if it's too hot or too cold it gets returned to the kitchen. I feel sorry for the waiters/waitresses most of the time after I see what they have to go through to make some people happy.


... huh. Yeah, I've noticed that too. Both when I've been a customer and a server. If someone at the table is going to complain, it's seems like it's going to be one of the women most of the time.

/Also men seem to be more consistent about tipping.
 
2012-12-05 04:12:21 PM  
take all online reviews and opinions with a grain of refined gourmet artisan sea salt.
 
2012-12-05 04:18:39 PM  
Leave Trayan Martin alone.
 
2012-12-05 04:51:45 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Does Yelp have a "star standard", where they clearly explain what a "1-star rating" means vs a "5-star"?


Would it matter if they did? The average Yelper wouldn't read it.
 
2012-12-05 04:51:51 PM  
If you go solely by Yelp reviews when choosing a restaurant, then you fully deserve the meal that's coming to you. Hope your Hep C shots are up to date.
 
2012-12-05 04:55:40 PM  
Anyone else read that headline as Zimmerman, and expect a discussion of why people don't love using pgp for encrypted email?
 
2012-12-05 05:04:24 PM  
I once read a review (not on Yelp, some random website that predates it) while looking for the street address of a Thai restaurant I like to give to a friend. It read like avant-gard poetry:

We ordered the calamari, but it smelled of old oil.
Servers were surly and would not bring us water.
There was fresh blood on our teacups.
 
2012-12-05 05:04:31 PM  

busy chillin': take all online reviews and opinions with a grain of refined gourmet artisan sea salt.


is it herb smoked sea salt? or fluer de sal?



but, back to the thing.. .People love to complain... if most people couldn't complain, they wouldn't have anything to say. A miserable existence if you ask me. and that's the thing about most review sites, people just jump at a chance to complain about something. they want to spread their misery... and when people are happy with something.. they just go about their day.

for every one bad review... expect 1500 nameless, faceless, unbothered, happy people out there.


the pub/resturant attached to the brewery I work at has a slew of bad user reviews.. We made efforts to correct repeated issues based on user reviews, and filter out the single point complaints as "just somebody whining"

I also must add that I once got into a ITG fight with some beer geek who published a bad review of one the beers I make. further research revealed that the beer, which at the time was not shelf stabilized, was mailed to the dude, UPS ground to New Mexico in august. The beer had been recklessly mishandled. spoiled in the process, and then sampled and a published review was made

I had to confront the reviewer that the review was unfair and mis representative, took my own money and sent the guy a fresh bottle UPS overnight, in a insulated container with a frozen Gel pack.

the guy had no idea that the words "fresh beer, Keep cool" was an actual warning label, and not just a serving suggestion.


he really, really liked the sample I sent him. and I won the ITG fight... I'm not proud... winning an ITG fight is like winning gold in the special Olympics after all... but at least I got an error corrected..

of course, people like free shiat, so, his opinion may have been swayed
 
2012-12-05 05:18:46 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: I also must add that I once got into a ITG fight with some beer geek who published a bad review of one the beers I make. further research revealed that the beer, which at the time was not shelf stabilized, was mailed to the dude, UPS ground to New Mexico in august. The beer had been recklessly mishandled. spoiled in the process, and then sampled and a published review was made

I had to confront the reviewer that the review was unfair and mis representative, took my own money and sent the guy a fresh bottle UPS overnight, in a insulated container with a frozen Gel pack.

the guy had no idea that the words "fresh beer, Keep cool" was an actual warning label, and not just a serving suggestion.


Eh, so he was a self-described beer geek, and not actually a beer geek. And you should find out who mailed him that bottle and chew their ignorant asses out. That would be the ITG battle to win.
 
2012-12-05 05:37:47 PM  

InmanRoshi: Rapmaster2000: At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.

Yes, ethnic food reviews on Yelp are the worst.

"I'd give this place zero stars if I could. They put cilantro on everything. Ugh, I hate cilantro!!!!"


I've read a review for an area Colombian restaurant by someone who was upset that the restaurant didn't serve the standard Mexican restaurant fare while finding a positive point in that they were not the lone white couple there.
 
2012-12-05 05:39:31 PM  

sweetmelissa31: If we know nothing about fine dining, then reviews from other people who know nothing of fine dining should be suitable.


I've had a couple "fine dining" experiences over the years and most of the times I left hungry. Not because the food was inedible, but because of the tiny portions. One time the vegetable was 4 (four really 4), green beans. I told one Maitre d' that the appetizers were great, but we never got the main course. We had, but it was tiny. I think he understood what we were saying.
 
2012-12-05 05:49:20 PM  
I never trust Yelp reviews.  People are MUCH more apt to complain than they are compliment something.  As well, you may have just got a single dish made by a line cook who was having a terrible night.  Or a waitress who's on her way out and doesn't give a crap.
 
I also don't give my friends a thumbs up or down on a local place if I haven't visited at least twice.
 
Also, no one should ever trust a review of a place that's less than 6 months old.  You need to give a place time to get their bearings.  Any professional reviewer would tell you this.
 
2012-12-05 05:52:33 PM  

borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link


Um, no. The restaurant owners decided to blame Yelp instead of owning up to the fact that the place was overpriced and not a good fit for the area.

Let's also not forget that the owners had zero restaurant experience.
 
2012-12-05 05:56:15 PM  

MrEricSir: borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link

Um, no. The restaurant owners decided to blame Yelp instead of owning up to the fact that the place was overpriced and not a good fit for the area.

Let's also not forget that the owners had zero restaurant experience.



Yeah, I highly doubt any place has been taken down because of Yelp (or any other user-based) reviews.  I mean, the sheer majority of people who eat out never look at Yelp.  Hell, many of them probably don't know what it is.
 
Word of mouth is still the biggest factor.  Always will be.
 
I know plenty of people who run restaruants and bars (there's like 3,000 down here).  I don't know any of them who even pay attention to Yelp.  Even the ones who are savvy with the Internet just roll their eyes at most bad reviews.
 
2012-12-05 05:59:30 PM  

sigdiamond2000: tricycleracer: Okay, you've inspired me to find a local place that I love and adore and would recommend to anyone and find a horrible review...

Here's the deal: There are people in this world, a lot of people, who go out to eat for the express purpose of being disappointed. My own grandmother is like this. My grandmother has never had a positive dining experience in her entire life. I've literally never been out to eat with her when she didn't get upset about something, be it the temperature of the restaurant, the noise level, the server, the food...whatever.

The weird thing is, she's a wonderful, nice person. And I know other people who are the same way.

There is something about restaurants that trigger a kind of instinct in some people that forces them to be disappointed. A lot of these types of people write online reviews.


If you add incessant complaining about how they always give you way too much food, my grandmother is the exact same way. Also, at a previous job I had an elderly woman coworker who was really one of the nicest people I've ever known, she was friendly to a fault with everyone. Until of course, a whole bunch of us went to dinner after work. She treated the poor waitress so badly I was embarrassed to be sitting at the same table as her.
 
2012-12-05 06:29:11 PM  

chechcal: borg: A restaurant in San Francisco was CLAIMED IT WAS IN PART driven out of business earlier this week because of fake/catty yelp reviews. Link

FTFY.

They were first time restaurant owners who took over a beloved local spot in the Castro. SF in general and neighborhoods like the Castro in particular are very difficult to survive in for restaurants. They're Their executive chef left in the first year, and the place didn't seem well-run.


and FTFY.

//typos mean I get to treat you like you're not a credible source.
 
2012-12-05 06:48:20 PM  

tricycleracer


What a refined pallet may look like:


Hey, that's really neat. No snark.
 
2012-12-05 06:51:37 PM  

fustanella: Treygreen13: Fark you, Yelper!

My favorite: "I ordered the broiled crab cakes and they were really good and i called and asked if i could speak to the supervisor and the girl that asnswerd the phone wanted to know what it was in reference to and I told her it was regarding the food i ordered and and she said what was wrong with it and i said nothing i just wanted to let him or her know that it was good and then she was like ok hold on. When the manager got on the phone and i thanked him and let him know it was good he said thank you and you welcome but seemed like he was in a rush. I don't think i will be eating their anymore because if the manager is not nice then what does that say about the business they are running and the people in it.
1-star review of Stratford Diner by Dalia B."

Any Yelp review you read should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people just can't write a review without focusing on one issue and giving out 1 star because of it.

I'd love to know when she called. I get better responses from restaurants if I call with feedback (good or bad) during not-slammed times.


And I can see a Yelp review that the reviewer was dining and spotted the supervisor on the phone talking yak yak yak while the restaurant was oh so busy and apparently ignoring everything, so the reviewer will never eat there again yadda yadda yadda....
 
2012-12-05 07:25:27 PM  

Mr. Holmes: They're Their executive chef left in the first year, and the place didn't seem well-run.

and FTFY.

//typos mean I get to treat you like you're not a credible source.


goddamnitsomuch
 
2012-12-05 07:38:32 PM  
I've shared this story before so sorry if you've heard it but one can have only so many Yelp stories.  A few years back friends of mine opened a restaraunt on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, putting themselves in all sorts of insane debt to do so. Anyhew, the remodel was finally done for the most part, staff had been hired, and it was time to celebrate. So, they threw a party.

Long story short, people see a crowded new restaraunt, they get curious. Throughout the evening curious people wandered in off the street. Rather than turn people away, the owner sat them, gave them beers, and let them know that the place wasn't officially open but they were free to look at the menu he had planned for the opening next week and he said could make them some burgers and shuck them some oysters if they liked.

The next day the place got its first Yelp review - and I paraphrase...

"On a whim, me and my husband went to RESTARAUNT NAME for the first time last night. What a mistake! The menu was EXTREMELY like TWO ITEMS limited, the wait staff was drunk and innattentive, the music WAY too loud. People were DANCING. It took 15 minutes for me to get my burger, which though delicious was made by the same waiter that took my order! What sort of shoddy outfit is this?!?!? The complimentary drinks were a pathetic attempt to win back our favor. I will NEVER come back to this place." 
 
2012-12-05 08:57:30 PM  
Yelp is perfect for the mass collection of people that think TGI Friday's or Chili's is acceptable food. For those that like quality food, Yelp is 0% helpful. Problem with that guy is he's talking about servicing himself, not the tasteless, mindless masses that just don't have that level of scrutiny. Is Yelp good for everyone? No.. is it good for something? Yes, it has a market target.. it just isn't this guy. Nor me, but it's as easy as not using it. Fixed.

If they're blackmailing businesses, then they should be prosecuted and shut down.
 
2012-12-05 09:38:30 PM  

valkore: Cerebral Knievel: I also must add that I once got into a ITG fight with some beer geek who published a bad review of one the beers I make. further research revealed that the beer, which at the time was not shelf stabilized, was mailed to the dude, UPS ground to New Mexico in august. The beer had been recklessly mishandled. spoiled in the process, and then sampled and a published review was made

I had to confront the reviewer that the review was unfair and mis representative, took my own money and sent the guy a fresh bottle UPS overnight, in a insulated container with a frozen Gel pack.

the guy had no idea that the words "fresh beer, Keep cool" was an actual warning label, and not just a serving suggestion.

Eh, so he was a self-described beer geek, and not actually a beer geek. And you should find out who mailed him that bottle and chew their ignorant asses out. That would be the ITG battle to win.


it would be nice, but many years and many beers ago,

thing was, it was that particualrr assholes review on the interwebs, and the beer I makes name on the line, so it had to be addressed thusly.
and dude was a prick.. the story I gave was the condensend version.. it took several exchanges to get him to admidt to his location and how he came about getting the beer in the first place. for the record, the beer only ships in VA, NC, and MD at the moment, at the time that review came out, we were ONLY in central and eastern VA pumping out maybe 5000bbls a year. dude had had several differnt beers we had made shipped out to him by his buddy that SWORE that this stuff was awesome, but whenever he had tasted it, it tasted spoiled and nasty.

I furiosly tryped at him USER ERROR!!!!

but no... there was no way in gods green earth his tastes buds and knoweldge was messing with him.

I should've just told the guy to go fark himself, but the good name of my product was on the line so I was able to eventually get him to agree to a drop address.


then, he apologized and changed his online review.


lord have mercy, I went a long.way to win that ITG fight.

the dudes reward is now to be immortalized in my weekly brewery tour schpiel as to why all the glass pack is run through a micro filter to be made shelf stable..
 
2012-12-05 10:39:21 PM  
"I was very disappointed. This place can't even serve a decent cup of hickory-smoked Horse Buttholes. 1 star."
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-05 10:41:32 PM  
He's not wrong about Yelp. If they could make these improvements, it would make the service a hell of a lot more useful to me:

- Force users to include their favorite restaurants in their profile. Even positive reviews don't mean much to me if that reviewer's idea of fine dining is Applebee's.

- Allow users to rate other users' reviews and then list the reviews in descending order of overall rating by other users, kinda like Amazon.

- Allow users to manually hide reviews by other users and/or auto-hide reviews if they receive enough negative feedback from other users.

- Allow users to mark other users as favorites and display reviews by favorited users in a prominent spot.
 
2012-12-05 10:57:09 PM  
Until he learns to chew with his farking mouth closed, I have no interest in anything he has to say.
 
2012-12-06 01:40:21 AM  
When I was young I took a film class. I asked the instructor "Why is it that so many popular movies are given such horrible reviews by critics?"

his response, "Critics watch an order of magnitude greater number of movies than most people. So subtle flaws stand out much more to them than to most people."

"So why does anyone care what a critic says?"

"Because humans like to be told what to think."

It was only a film class, but it applies to any subjective taste..
 
2012-12-06 04:25:58 AM  

FinFangFark: Rapmaster2000: I love Yelp reviews. At best, the complaints are incorrect expectations.

At worst, it's flat-out ignorance. My favorites so far are one complaining about an Ethiopian restaurant trying to trick people into eating with their hands, and another complained about the lack of frozen margaritas at a Belgian pub.

Usually here in Houston if you look at the Chinese restaurant reviews, there are always complaints that they serve their sodas single serving in a can, rather than a refillable fountain drink.


Why bother serving canned sodas, though? I pay less in a vending machine, and even then the can is cold.
 
2012-12-06 05:20:59 AM  

brap: I've shared this story before so sorry if you've heard it but one can have only so many Yelp stories.  A few years back friends of mine opened a restaraunt on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, putting themselves in all sorts of insane debt to do so. Anyhew, the remodel was finally done for the most part, staff had been hired, and it was time to celebrate. So, they threw a party.

Long story short, people see a crowded new restaraunt, they get curious. Throughout the evening curious people wandered in off the street. Rather than turn people away, the owner sat them, gave them beers, and let them know that the place wasn't officially open but they were free to look at the menu he had planned for the opening next week and he said could make them some burgers and shuck them some oysters if they liked.

The next day the place got its first Yelp review - and I paraphrase...

"On a whim, me and my husband went to RESTARAUNT NAME for the first time last night. What a mistake! The menu was EXTREMELY like TWO ITEMS limited, the wait staff was drunk and innattentive, the music WAY too loud. People were DANCING. It took 15 minutes for me to get my burger, which though delicious was made by the same waiter that took my order! What sort of shoddy outfit is this?!?!? The complimentary drinks were a pathetic attempt to win back our favor. I will NEVER come back to this place." 


As someone who worked in fine dining for a LOT of years, this may be the best post I've ever seen on Fark. There aren't enough palms or faces in the world to express my exasperated mirth.

Thank you, kind sir/madam.
 
2012-12-06 07:46:14 AM  

Rahsa Naba Doe-ah Gola Wookiee Nipple Pinchy: Surly U. Jest: Hey, don't knock the tapir anus until you've tried it. It is remarkable.

Meh, I found it to be a little leathery.


I always have chest pains when I eat tapir anus. They can kick pretty hard.
 
2012-12-06 08:30:15 AM  

sigdiamond2000: The fundamental problem with online reviews is that they're written by the type of people who write online reviews, i.e., crazy people.

TotalFarkers.

FTFY
 
2012-12-06 08:48:48 AM  
Sometimes you like things because you like things and you don't because you don't. One of the best movies I saw last year was "The Big Year" but really because I like birds. It was a well done movie, but my guess is that it is pretty hard, even with a pretty good cast, to sell a movie like that. But I think IMDB has it at 6.1, which is lower than what I'd normally go for.

My wife LOVES Friendly's Restaurant, and we go there when we are up north on vacation, only for the ice cream, even though the annual Consumer Reports poll ranks it dead last for its category.

If a restaurant has 4.5 stars on yelp and 500 reviews, my guess is that it is probably okay.

If it has 2.5 star and 500 reviews, it probably isn't.

My biggest complaint about yelpers (and other online reviews) is that sometimes the rating has nothing to do with the restaurant. "The parking lot costs $5" or something. Or when people say "this isn't authentic Mexican food" and I think, first of all, it's Tex Mex, and second of all, which style of Mexican food is authentic? Northern roasted goat or southwestern coastal seafood?

Look at the rating, read a few of the recent reviews... make a decision. I think Yelp is fine, but it is one data point not the only data point.

And experts suck and push their own agenda.
 
2012-12-06 08:52:25 AM  
Just like Amazon reviews for products, some can be pretty helpful while others are just totally useless. I still use Urbanspoon to try new places to eat and haven't been steered wrong. Granted I wait till there are enough reviews to reduce skewing by a disgruntle patron or a shill for the restaurant.
 
2012-12-06 09:01:20 AM  
Oh btw, that's pretty elitist of someone to say that the common consumer should not review a place for common consumers. Andrew Zimmern can go EABOD... wait, he probably did that already. He can eat a bowl of walnuts (dude can't stand walnuts but will eat cow anuses, go figure).
 
2012-12-06 09:07:44 AM  
That fat glutton occupies rare ground at the intersection of Good Eats and MTV's Jackass. He is a walking truth-or-dare stunt, and in my opinion is more of a circus sideshow novelty act that a true epicurean. Therefore, Mr. Zimmern, please stop trying to convince us you are a viable authority on anything other than gross-out food porn, and kindly go fark yourself with a basketful of balut. One at a time. Slowly.

Thank you.
 
2012-12-06 09:41:27 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: tjsands1118

hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.


You don't get to complain about anyone's palate until you learn how to spell 'palate'.


No society has a refined palate - because like all things "hip", the followers of hip will move the goalpost and declare whatever the masses like as un-refined.
 
2012-12-06 10:50:31 AM  
Yelp is great if you know what you are looking for in the reviews, just like Amazon reviews.

I find it quite helpful, and it has rarely led me astray.
 
2012-12-06 11:03:25 AM  
Mr. Zimmern did a terrible job of doing his job, which is providing informative and substantive commentary. Maybe if Yelp was a ham sandwich he would have been more throrough. The problem with his statements isn't that they don't contain a grain of truth, but that they are not placed in proper context in order to be useful to the reader......kind of like a number of Yelp reviews.

Yelp is: only as good as the number and quality of reviews it has for a particular establishment.
Yelp is not: a thorough and insightful review of all aspects of an establishment's performance provided by a recognized expert in the field.

But - there are only a limited number of expert critics, and even they disagree, so Yelp does a couple of things that an expert critic cannot. 1) visit every establishment within days of opening. 2) comment on everything about the establishment (theoretically). I rarely hear a food critic discuss parking options or nearest metro/bus stop, but Yelpers are helpful on that kind of secondary info.

I would have much preferred and I think the internet deserves a much more thorough analysis of Yelp's good and bad aspects from a professional food critic. Perhaps a representative sample of where he agreed with and disagreed with comments and ratings of a couple of establishments and why.
 
2012-12-06 11:20:55 AM  
Yelp is, usually, a waste. The star system is a mess. The commentary is, at times, marginally helpful.

I mean... what the fark is going on with someone's rating of 1 or 2 stars for a place then turn around and say the food was delicious?

And unless there's some actual numbers behind it... a place with 5 reviews isn't enough. 50 or more... chances are, the averages and commentary may have actual people involved, rather than meatpuppets.
 
2012-12-06 12:43:17 PM  
Yelp is invaluable if you have job that requires you to travel. I don't use it locally because I already know a ton of foodies and we all test out restaurants for each other, but when you show up in Leesville, LA, you really have no idea where to go. Thanks to yelp I got to try a Thai restaurant that is better than any of the Thai places I tried while I lived in DC. Without yelp, probably wouldn't have gone to it, I hate going to ethnic places that are poorly done (LOOKING AT YOU 90% of Chinese restaurants)
 
2012-12-06 01:43:00 PM  

Cinaed: Yelp is, usually, a waste. The star system is a mess. The commentary is, at times, marginally helpful.

I mean... what the fark is going on with someone's rating of 1 or 2 stars for a place then turn around and say the food was delicious?


Yeah, i've seen a review that fully consisted of "so far so good" 3-stars and another place got 2-stars because "They also charged for coffee which should be a given with dessert so that was a little disappointing".

Finally, the same place as that last one, a German restaurant, only got 2 stars because "''m a pescetarian & everything on the entree menu was meat beside one item which was shrimp but I'm not too keen on shrimp "
 
2012-12-06 01:48:00 PM  

syberpud: Englebert Slaptyback: tjsands1118

hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.


You don't get to complain about anyone's palate until you learn how to spell 'palate'.

No society has a refined palate - because like all things "hip", the followers of hip will move the goalpost and declare whatever the masses like as un-refined.


Watching Gordon Ramsay's cooking show the F-Word and his reality show Kitchen Nightmares is a great introduction to the concept that the only difference between refined and unrefined is in the dining room, and not the kitchen. I learned an awful lot about preparing meat simply, and luxuriously, from the F-Word.
 
2012-12-06 03:26:44 PM  
This place was awesome! Fantastic, attentive servers and an incredibly compfortable atmosphere. Great food, and gigantic portions for the price! I love this place, and plan to come back regularly!

Two stars

/WTF?
 
2012-12-06 04:06:44 PM  

Treygreen13: Fark you, Yelper!

My favorite: "I ordered the broiled crab cakes and they were really good and i called and asked if i could speak to the supervisor and the girl that asnswerd the phone wanted to know what it was in reference to and I told her it was regarding the food i ordered and and she said what was wrong with it and i said nothing i just wanted to let him or her know that it was good and then she was like ok hold on. When the manager got on the phone and i thanked him and let him know it was good he said thank you and you welcome but seemed like he was in a rush. I don't think i will be eating their anymore because if the manager is not nice then what does that say about the business they are running and the people in it.
1-star review of Stratford Diner by Dalia B."

Any Yelp review you read should be taken with a grain of salt. Some people just can't write a review without focusing on one issue and giving out 1 star because of it.


It's interesting isn't it? Where I work, we have a yearly survey which is intended to do some good so as to allow the upper management about how we feel about our work envrionment and the jorb as a whole. So, there's maybe 40 questions and each one you get to rate on a scale of 1-5.

After about 3 years of this, I figured out that if you rate a question 2 it's the same as rating it a 4. So the only way to have any effect on the survey of employees is to vote at the extremes.
 
2012-12-06 04:28:44 PM  
My favorite review was for a hotel. The guy gave it 1 star out of 10. The reason: location.

Really? You didn't take five seconds to look at the map before you booked?
 
2012-12-06 04:30:12 PM  

tjsands1118: pute kisses like a man: yelp: ensuring shiat restaurants get business... while helping to ensure no one eats anywhere nice.

/ i only use yelp by accident, when googling a restaurant to get an address/phone number/menu when the restaurant does not have a website.
// reading user comments may be the most unreliable source of information on earth. you get what you pay for... if you pick a restaurant based on yelp users, you might as well eat at applebee's
/// an example of how bad most people's tastes are: go to a fark food thread, pick anyone recipe at random. 9/10 it's campbell's soup and canned vegetables in a caserole and everyone's sucking each other's dicks over it. 
/// 1/10 of the time, some one actually provides something good. why i continue farking and maintaining hope for humanity... 1/10 of the time

This I work in a sushi restaurant, we have a dollar night, it's all the end leftover, small cuts, and a cheaper grade of tuna; we pre roll maki and rice balls. It is the McDonald's equivalent of sushi. We regularly have a line around the building and people raving about how great it is. I know it's shiat, I made it, but people will constantly tell anyone who listen about how it's amazing and such a great price, like they were a freaking foodie dinning at a Michelin star restaurant. It helps my paycheck, but it's really discourage me in hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.


So, you're saying I might not get the same pizza on "two for one-Thursday" at my local?
 
2012-12-06 05:29:53 PM  

tjsands1118: pute kisses like a man: yelp: ensuring shiat restaurants get business... while helping to ensure no one eats anywhere nice.

/ i only use yelp by accident, when googling a restaurant to get an address/phone number/menu when the restaurant does not have a website.
// reading user comments may be the most unreliable source of information on earth. you get what you pay for... if you pick a restaurant based on yelp users, you might as well eat at applebee's
/// an example of how bad most people's tastes are: go to a fark food thread, pick anyone recipe at random. 9/10 it's campbell's soup and canned vegetables in a caserole and everyone's sucking each other's dicks over it. 
/// 1/10 of the time, some one actually provides something good. why i continue farking and maintaining hope for humanity... 1/10 of the time

This I work in a sushi restaurant, we have a dollar night, it's all the end leftover, small cuts, and a cheaper grade of tuna; we pre roll maki and rice balls. It is the McDonald's equivalent of sushi. We regularly have a line around the building and people raving about how great it is. I know it's shiat, I made it, but people will constantly tell anyone who listen about how it's amazing and such a great price, like they were a freaking foodie dinning at a Michelin star restaurant. It helps my paycheck, but it's really discourage me in hopes of our society ever having a refined pallet.


So what should someone use? Zagat's? They only do the major cities.
 
2012-12-06 08:58:07 PM  
Tapir anus has gone downhill ever since they started getting it domestically. True connoisseurs insist on true Javanese tapir anus for the best anus-y goodness.

Anus.
 
kab
2012-12-07 08:57:24 AM  
I've used yelp exactly once, to find out about any good pizzerias in this area that I may not have known about. The one with the highest rating, lo and behold, actually IS really that good.

While there's all sorts of room for abuse of any rating system (as if there isn't for any other form of critique), to basically say that people don't know what they enjoy eating, and therefore shouldn't be voicing opinions about it, is beyond idiotic.
 
2012-12-07 01:40:12 PM  
fark Andrew Zimmern.
What kind of NYC chef cant speak spanish?
 
2012-12-07 05:54:34 PM  

FinFangFark: Usually here in Houston if you look at the Chinese restaurant reviews, there are always complaints that they serve their sodas single serving in a can,


To be fair, that does deter them from putting pee-pee in your Coke.
 
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