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(Gawker)   Experts say that the best advice for people who fall onto subway tracks is to run to the end of platform, also make sure to smile big   (gawker.com) divider line 129
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2012-12-05 10:31:47 AM
Subby is going to hell for that.

/I'm going with for snickering
 
2012-12-05 10:33:21 AM
wiki.teamfortress.com
 
2012-12-05 10:35:07 AM
All right, big smiles everyone. On the count of three say "ChooChoo!"
 
2012-12-05 10:36:39 AM
Train platforms in Japan are built with recesses underneath the platforms that you can get in if you fall or get pushed onto the tracks.
 
2012-12-05 10:36:51 AM
HE RAN THE WONG WAY!!!
/Well he was Chinese.
 
2012-12-05 10:37:21 AM
Surviving the Subway
A Training Manual
 
2012-12-05 10:38:21 AM
A final option is to simply lie flat - there may be enough clearance for the train to pass over you.


Great...
 
2012-12-05 10:38:51 AM

kumanoki: Train platforms in Japan are built with recesses underneath the platforms that you can get in if you fall or get pushed onto the tracks.


You'd think that would be standard everywhere. That said if no train is coming, you might as well go for the oh shiat ladder opposite the end to where the train arrives.

/also as I said in the other thread, a couple cheap cameras scanning the track and doing automatic obstruction detection would also work
//the falling person should be easy to capture via edge detection and then just start tripping red signals or autobraking the trains
 
2012-12-05 10:39:15 AM
Wouldn't the best advice be to get under the platform? Most platforms that I have seen are just that... There is about 4 feet of open space beneath them.
 
2012-12-05 10:39:18 AM

cgraves67: All right, big smiles everyone. On the count of three say "ChooChoo!"


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2012-12-05 10:39:19 AM
If the platform appears flush with the approaching train, you could take shelter in the space between the two sets of train tracks. This is a dangerous choice, though, because you'd have to traverse the third rail, which carries 660 volts of electricity, more than enough to kill a person. A final option is to simply lie flat - there may be enough clearance for the train to pass over you.

If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters
 
2012-12-05 10:39:22 AM
The trains only go about 45 mph, right? If you run away, and the train slows to 30, 20 or 10 before it hits you, there has to be a point where you can jump and cling to the front without falling under the wheels. Someone call MythBusters.
 
2012-12-05 10:40:57 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters


You don't seem that current on basic E&M physics.
 
2012-12-05 10:41:43 AM

kumanoki: Train platforms in Japan are built with recesses underneath the platforms that you can get in if you fall or get pushed onto the tracks.



www.thepanamadigest.com

Which is good, because those Japanese can be pushy.
 
TWX
2012-12-05 10:42:29 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: If the platform appears flush with the approaching train, you could take shelter in the space between the two sets of train tracks. This is a dangerous choice, though, because you'd have to traverse the third rail, which carries 660 volts of electricity, more than enough to kill a person. A final option is to simply lie flat - there may be enough clearance for the train to pass over you.

If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters


It's the total energy that kills you, not the volts. Voltage just happens to be a bigger number than amps, which is more impressive. If they wanted to convert everything into Watts that'd be a much, much bigger number.

/watts = volts x amps
 
2012-12-05 10:43:55 AM
Yep, there should be a space under the platform to hide, that is unless someone should unfortuately stumble right when the train is approaching.
 
2012-12-05 10:43:59 AM

Lumpmoose: The trains only go about 45 mph, right? If you run away, and the train slows to 30, 20 or 10 before it hits you, there has to be a point where you can jump and cling to the front without falling under the wheels. Someone call MythBusters.


A reasonably estimate is that a person can sprint 10-15 MPH. I wouldn't place the chances of survival very high, however, with a speed difference of over 10 MPH. You'd also lose a lot of speed jumping and turning around to grab on to the train (otherwise you'd just bounce off and get run over).
 
2012-12-05 10:44:48 AM

Lumpmoose: The trains only go about 45 mph, right? If you run away, and the train slows to 30, 20 or 10 before it hits you, there has to be a point where you can jump and cling to the front without falling under the wheels. Someone call MythBusters.


I was thinking of this EXACT thing while waiting for my train this morning. Because I would assume that, as a train slows down at a station, it isn't the impact that kills you, but being run over/crushed that does it.

I am not a scientist, however.
 
2012-12-05 10:45:15 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: If the platform appears flush with the approaching train, you could take shelter in the space between the two sets of train tracks. This is a dangerous choice, though, because you'd have to traverse the third rail, which carries 660 volts of electricity, more than enough to kill a person. A final option is to simply lie flat - there may be enough clearance for the train to pass over you.

If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters


Volts -vs- Amps. How does it work?
 
2012-12-05 10:45:38 AM
I was on the platform waiting for the same train as this guy. You can be sure that he wasn't smiling.

He was fighting for his life, probably thinking about his little daughter or son waiting by the door for him to get home that evening. Or how he'd been working really hard lately, dedicating himself to his recovery, and how it was all starting to pay off. Or what his wife would like for Christmas.

Looking into his face was like looking through a rip in the very fabric of reality. Underneath our thoughts and emotions is the primal energy that flees insecurity and death with every ounce of its power. I haven't been able to get the spiralling look in his eyes, like hypnotic circles, out of my mind.

I really wish that I could've grabbed him and pulled him up, but it all just looked so surreal in the viewfinder of my iPhone.
 
2012-12-05 10:46:16 AM
Just don't run to the wrong end. That ges a tad messy.
 
2012-12-05 10:46:25 AM
Volts do not kill. Amps are the killers.
 
2012-12-05 10:46:56 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: If the platform appears flush with the approaching train, you could take shelter in the space between the two sets of train tracks. This is a dangerous choice, though, because you'd have to traverse the third rail, which carries 660 volts of electricity, more than enough to kill a person. A final option is to simply lie flat - there may be enough clearance for the train to pass over you.

If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters


It's not the volts, it's the amps that kill. 660 volts with a shiatload of amps to power the onboard motors will turn you into KFC pretty quickly. 50,000V at .5 amps or whatever is enough to start involuntary muscle spasms and generally piss you off, but not (usually, there are exceptions and everyone's physiology is different) enough to kill you.
 
2012-12-05 10:47:54 AM
Ok, so, why haven't they designed lower profile subway trains that don't require such high platforms.

Too much retrofitting to decades old subway stations?
 
2012-12-05 10:48:39 AM
Epic comment from below the article:

"Another way to prepare is to build up your body's resistance to electricity, so you do not have to worry about the third rail. It is kind of like a building up a tolerance for poison by ingesting a little bit at a time. I started years ago shocking myself with small amounts of electricity and then just building up the amps and voltage. This is often what murderers did in the old days, in order to avoid death by the electric chair.

You build up a tolerance quite quickly. Another ancillary benefit is that it seems to have a natural calming effect on the nerves. I suspect I could probably tolerate the third rail, now. Fortunately, I live in a city without a subway, so I don't have to worry about it. But if I go to the big city, I know I will be prepared. "
 
2012-12-05 10:49:09 AM
Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage
 
2012-12-05 10:49:14 AM

Lumpmoose


The trains only go about 45 mph, right? If you run away, and the train slows to 30, 20 or 10 before it hits you, there has to be a point where you can jump and cling to the front without falling under the wheels. Someone call MythBusters.


If you were to fall and hit the ground at 30, 20, or 10mph you would at least get the wind knocked out of you. Now imagine trying to find a handhold and maintain a grip on the front of a train at that precise moment.

Maybe the train needs to have a large easy chair mounted to the front at track level so people can just stand there and be picked up in a sitting position. (of course they would have to be facing away from the train at the time)
 
2012-12-05 10:49:25 AM
The key is to stand firm, and confront the train.
If you don't stand up for yourself, the train will never respect you.
 
2012-12-05 10:49:47 AM

Lava_Backflips: Volts do not kill. Amps are the killers.


Guns don't kill people, trains kill people.
 
2012-12-05 10:49:50 AM

Comic Book Guy: Jon iz teh kewl: If the platform appears flush with the approaching train, you could take shelter in the space between the two sets of train tracks. This is a dangerous choice, though, because you'd have to traverse the third rail, which carries 660 volts of electricity, more than enough to kill a person. A final option is to simply lie flat - there may be enough clearance for the train to pass over you.

If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters

It's not the volts, it's the amps that kill. 660 volts with a shiatload of amps to power the onboard motors will turn you into KFC pretty quickly. 50,000V at .5 amps or whatever is enough to start involuntary muscle spasms and generally piss you off, but not (usually, there are exceptions and everyone's physiology is different) enough to kill you.


.5 is above 500 milliamps. Way above the threshold to kill you. It hurts at .01
 
2012-12-05 10:50:45 AM
Wile E. Coyote would like a word...
 
2012-12-05 10:50:58 AM

Lava_Backflips: Volts do not kill. Amps are the killers.


ohm y god
 
2012-12-05 10:51:07 AM

BronyMedic: Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage



I'll take your word for it.
 
2012-12-05 10:51:10 AM

ChipNASA: HE RAN THE WONG WAY!!!
/Well he was Chinese.


by his name I would say he was probably Korean. Either sad that he was murdered by the thug.
 
2012-12-05 10:51:24 AM

Comic Book Guy: Jon iz teh kewl: If the platform appears flush with the approaching train, you could take shelter in the space between the two sets of train tracks. This is a dangerous choice, though, because you'd have to traverse the third rail, which carries 660 volts of electricity, more than enough to kill a person. A final option is to simply lie flat - there may be enough clearance for the train to pass over you.

If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters

It's not the volts, it's the amps that kill. 660 volts with a shiatload of amps to power the onboard motors will turn you into KFC pretty quickly. 50,000V at .5 amps or whatever is enough to start involuntary muscle spasms and generally piss you off, but not (usually, there are exceptions and everyone's physiology is different) enough to kill you.


i'm perfectly aware it's the "mills that kill". the problem is what does that have to do with electricity?? wind energy??

www.manhattancvb.org
 
2012-12-05 10:52:03 AM
so, they got a lot of footage of the guy getting hit by the train... was there any footage of the person who pushed the guy in the tracks?
 
2012-12-05 10:52:11 AM

Lava_Backflips: Volts do not kill. Amps are the killers.



www.walgreens.com


That's what the FDA is trying to prove.
 
2012-12-05 10:52:14 AM
Really? Another Gawker link?

Subby can't stay away from the $10 meth addicted hookers.
 
2012-12-05 10:52:36 AM
If you're unfamiliar with the schedule, or a relative n00b at the subway, how would you know for certain which direction to run before the train appears?
 
2012-12-05 10:53:56 AM

BronyMedic: Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage


If you're into that sort of thing...

/did not watch
 
2012-12-05 10:55:17 AM
I did not know that the good samaritan law required that you take a photo before helping.
 
2012-12-05 10:55:48 AM

JackieRabbit: BronyMedic: Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage

If you're into that sort of thing...

/did not watch


zombiecupcakes.files.wordpress.com

Greatest unintentional comedy ever.
 
2012-12-05 10:56:40 AM

BronyMedic: Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage


I had no idea a head had that much blood in it. It's like a tomato.
 
2012-12-05 10:56:43 AM

BronyMedic: Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage


That was AWESOME!
 
2012-12-05 10:57:11 AM
run faster than a subway train? that's impossible unless your like superman
 
2012-12-05 10:57:16 AM

BronyMedic: Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage


Damnit. I was too slow to get this up first.

/good work sir
 
2012-12-05 10:57:16 AM
So the "expert" in this article is some guy from the Internet... that's some good work there.
 
2012-12-05 10:58:46 AM

BronyMedic: Guys, I've been doing some digging, and I found live video of this poor man's death. I warn you, it's NSFW and totally graphic, he literally gets gibbed by the train.

Graphic Train Station Security Footage


the cover of the newspaper upset me a little. no thanks.
 
2012-12-05 10:59:30 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: If 660 volts is enough to kill a person what the fark are cops doing with 1000000 volt tasters


Sigh, in the future I recommend you learn to google something before running your mouth off. It's the amps that kills you not the volts.The volts just make it easier to overcome your skin's resistance. A 9v battery can kill you, and has resulted in a darwin award in fact, if you managed to get direct blood contact on both hands.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:40 AM

kumanoki: Train platforms in Japan are built with recesses underneath the platforms that you can get in if you fall or get pushed onto the tracks.


A bonus of this design is that the remains of the people who suicide themselves by jumping in front of trains can simply be shoved into the recess, allowing the full shinkansen service schedule to be maintained until the nighttime garbage collection train makes its rounds.

There are also sluices to collect the blood and viscera so that it can later be pressed into surimi, or "imitation crab stick".
 
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