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2012-12-05 03:47:01 PM  

chuckufarlie: the elected school board. There was an attempt several years ago to bring the schools under state control but to continue to finance with local property taxes. Not surprisingly, that was shot down.


Ok, I think I am slowly getting where you are coming from. So the citizens elect the school board, and the board runs the schools? Do the schools ever get grants (state or federal) to update equipment or text books or anything like that?
 
2012-12-05 03:48:34 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Wow. Long thread!

[img38.imageshack.us image 775x800]
(This was in a flyer I just got from a local hardware store)


I have one of those Charlie Brown pre-fixup Christmas trees, we have been using it as our main tree for years. Is that wrong?
 
2012-12-05 03:48:44 PM  

Epicedion: dakwegmo: So in your mind, an institution financed entirely by taxes is what exactly?

Completely nongovermental in every way. CHECKMATE.


Why is it that so many incredibly stupid people believe that a government agency is one that gets funded by taxes while ignoring the fact that what makes a government agency a government agency is who is in control of the agency?

Oh wait!! INCREDIBLY STUPID. That is the answer!
 
2012-12-05 03:49:33 PM  

notdorothy: chuckufarlie: the elected school board. There was an attempt several years ago to bring the schools under state control but to continue to finance with local property taxes. Not surprisingly, that was shot down.

Ok, I think I am slowly getting where you are coming from. So the citizens elect the school board, and the board runs the schools? Do the schools ever get grants (state or federal) to update equipment or text books or anything like that?


not in this state.
 
2012-12-05 03:51:22 PM  

had98c: chuckufarlie: notdorothy: chuckufarlie: I am sure.

So, what you are saying is that the public schools are completely funded by local city and county money (absolutely no subsidies from state or federal government). Which would theoretically mean the schools were ran solely by the district, the city and any school board (are they elected or appointed?). Who is actually in charge of the schools where you live anyway?

the elected school board. There was an attempt several years ago to bring the schools under state control but to continue to finance with local property taxes. Not surprisingly, that was shot down.

Are the schools subject to any kind of higher level oversight at all? For example, statewide curriculum standards or anything like that? Not trying to be snarky, genuinely curious.


no, because that means that all of the schools would teach to the same standards. And when you do that, you end up teaching to the lowest standard in the state. It is bad enough that a teacher teaches to the lowest standard in the room
 
2012-12-05 03:52:18 PM  
Let's see....I pay taxes for schools, I vote for the School Board members, schools are open to the public...

clearly a private entity and NOT subject to the Constitution! Brilliant!

/seriously, wtf...a new level of derp
 
2012-12-05 03:53:07 PM  

Nabb1: chuckufarlie: Nabb1: chuckufarlie: udging by your ability to construct a sentence, your local public school sucks. Desegregation has nothing to do with separation of church and state. It is not about CIVIL RIGHTS. Nobody is allowed to deny a person his CIVIL RIGHTS, not even Burger King. Or do you think that Burger King is a govt.entity because the Constitution applies to them as well?

Public schools in New Orleans indeed suck. You missed the point. I know desegregation has nothing to do with separation of church and state, but it does have to do with Constitutional law, as does the Establishment Clause (which gives rise to the "separation of church and state") and illustrates how public schools are subject to all sorts of guarantees of Constitutional rights because they are entities of the state, and you either don't know that and therefore have not the slightest clue what you are talking about or are trolling.

You are making a comparison that makes no sense at all. Desegregation has to do with Civil Rights. Burger King has to provide people with their Civil Rights. Burger King is not come under separation of Church and State.

Therefore, your statement is completely incorrect.

You are completely insane.


I can see why you would say something like that. There are way too many very stupid people who believe that others who do not agree with their stupid ideas must be crazy. You just do not realize how stupid you really are.
 
2012-12-05 03:54:49 PM  

chuckufarlie:
it is not where the money comes from, it is based on who is in charge and the govt. is not in charge. It is a simple concept that I have had to repeat over and over. That tells me something.

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. Schools are run by people whose salaries are paid from taxpayer money. At least in the state of Georgia, those people are accountable to the local school boards, which are elected bodies. Perhaps where you live the schools are some publicly funded non-government entity, but where I live they are most certainly government institutions.

 
2012-12-05 03:55:09 PM  

SubjectVerb: Thanks, atheists! See y'all soon!

-Satan


Did your imaginary friend ask you to speak on his behalf? Does he ask you to do other thinks as well ... like set things on fire??

/Do your mommy and daddy call them "oopsies".
 
2012-12-05 03:55:18 PM  

lordjupiter: Let's see....I pay taxes for schools, I vote for the School Board members, schools are open to the public...

clearly a private entity and NOT subject to the Constitution! Brilliant!

/seriously, wtf...a new level of derp


none of those items determine if any institute is subject to the separation of Church and State. The fact that you made the comment about the entire Constitution speaks volumes about your level of intelligence.
 
2012-12-05 03:55:59 PM  

chuckufarlie: not in this state


Where the you know what do you live?

I still don't get though, it seems a public school is still a government agency, even if only a local one.
 
2012-12-05 03:56:50 PM  

chuckufarlie: if any institute is subject to the separation of Church and State


The Supreme Court decided that public schools are, and they did it a long time ago.
 
2012-12-05 03:58:07 PM  

Surool: jshine: This level of butt-hurt is like banning the Odyssey because "We're atheists and we don't believe in Zeus and Athena".

Would the school kids be bussed to a local temple of Zeus or Athena to study The Odyssey?


That would be very cool if it were possible -- to see the Odyssey performed as a play in the Parthenon (temple of Athena).
 
2012-12-05 03:58:16 PM  

chuckufarlie: Nabb1: chuckufarlie: Nabb1: chuckufarlie: udging by your ability to construct a sentence, your local public school sucks. Desegregation has nothing to do with separation of church and state. It is not about CIVIL RIGHTS. Nobody is allowed to deny a person his CIVIL RIGHTS, not even Burger King. Or do you think that Burger King is a govt.entity because the Constitution applies to them as well?

Public schools in New Orleans indeed suck. You missed the point. I know desegregation has nothing to do with separation of church and state, but it does have to do with Constitutional law, as does the Establishment Clause (which gives rise to the "separation of church and state") and illustrates how public schools are subject to all sorts of guarantees of Constitutional rights because they are entities of the state, and you either don't know that and therefore have not the slightest clue what you are talking about or are trolling.

You are making a comparison that makes no sense at all. Desegregation has to do with Civil Rights. Burger King has to provide people with their Civil Rights. Burger King is not come under separation of Church and State.

Therefore, your statement is completely incorrect.

You are completely insane.

I can see why you would say something like that. There are way too many very stupid people who believe that others who do not agree with their stupid ideas must be crazy. You just do not realize how stupid you really are.


No, what you are arguing has absolutely no basis in reality, or at least shows a vast ignorance of the law. Your argument that public schools are not subject to the Establishment Clause is completely, utterly, one-hundred percent, demonstrably wrong. Read this for starters. They are citing Supreme Court decisions, so no matter what you think of the ACLU or what you think should be the case, there is law on the books completely contrary to your argument.
 
2012-12-05 03:58:56 PM  

dakwegmo: chuckufarlie:
it is not where the money comes from, it is based on who is in charge and the govt. is not in charge. It is a simple concept that I have had to repeat over and over. That tells me something.

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. Schools are run by people whose salaries are paid from taxpayer money. At least in the state of Georgia, those people are accountable to the local school boards, which are elected bodies. Perhaps where you live the schools are some publicly funded non-government entity, but where I live they are most certainly government institutions.


Repeating something over and over does not make it true and that was not my purpose. It seems that way too many of you need to have something repeated over and over just to get you to understand.

Who is the school board accountable to? In my state, they are accountable to the people in the school district and nobody else.

Everything that I have said, I have tried to point out that this is what happens in my state. If it happens in this state, it probably happens in others. All of you need to stop making universal comments as if the entire country operates schools in the same manner.
 
2012-12-05 03:59:15 PM  

chuckufarlie: lordjupiter: Let's see....I pay taxes for schools, I vote for the School Board members, schools are open to the public...

clearly a private entity and NOT subject to the Constitution! Brilliant!

/seriously, wtf...a new level of derp

none of those items determine if any institute is subject to the separation of Church and State. The fact that you made the comment about the entire Constitution speaks volumes about your level of intelligence.



Says the guy who thinks that claiming school districts are not subject to laws or control by the government simply because they're not on the books as part of the larger government.

Every school board answers to SOME government, at SOME LEVEL. And that government in turn answers to a higher branch, and ultimately they are bound by the Constitution.

It is absolutely insane but typical that someone would argue otherwise, especially in light of numerous SCOTUS rulings, and then accuse others of being stupid.

Unless of course one is just trolling, in which case, 3/10.
 
2012-12-05 03:59:27 PM  

chuckufarlie: I can see why you would say something like that. There are way too many very stupid people who believe that others who do not agree with their stupid ideas must be crazy. You just do not realize how stupid you really are.


Given a choice between believing the opinion of a raving internet whack-job or the many rulings of the SCOTUS ... I will go with SCOTUS. They have made it abundantly clear that public schools are covered by the separation of church and state laws.

You keep ranting though ... by the end of this thread I'm sure most people will have you on ignore or favorited with their 'whack-job color' (I use dark grey for idiots ... makes their text easy to ignore but readable in case you want to peek at the crazy).
 
2012-12-05 03:59:42 PM  

JohnnyC: jshine: This level of butt-hurt is like banning the Odyssey because "We're atheists and we don't believe in Zeus and Athena".

Except that isn't what happened at all. But if you conflate the story to go from, "the preacher canceled the trip after hearing that an atheist was concerned about it" to "banning charlie brown Christmas", it makes it a lot easier for you to look down your nose at atheists? Is that about right?


Yea, that's just me skimming the article rather than reading it...
 
2012-12-05 03:59:46 PM  

Epicedion: Lionel Mandrake: Ctrl-Alt-Del: chuckufarlie: Derp.

Come on folks - he's claiming that public schools aren't government institutions. And you people respond as if he's anything other than a complete and total assclown of a troll? Seriously?


Yeah, that claim is just too stupid to be serious, or - if serious - is being presented by someone with no connection to reality.

He'll never let it go, though


And that's exactly how he usurps the entire conversation into pointless nonsense. He's been doing it for YEARS with great success to completely derail climate change threads here on Fark.
 
2012-12-05 04:02:39 PM  

Nabb1: chuckufarlie: Nabb1: chuckufarlie: Nabb1: chuckufarlie: udging by your ability to construct a sentence, your local public school sucks. Desegregation has nothing to do with separation of church and state. It is not about CIVIL RIGHTS. Nobody is allowed to deny a person his CIVIL RIGHTS, not even Burger King. Or do you think that Burger King is a govt.entity because the Constitution applies to them as well?

Public schools in New Orleans indeed suck. You missed the point. I know desegregation has nothing to do with separation of church and state, but it does have to do with Constitutional law, as does the Establishment Clause (which gives rise to the "separation of church and state") and illustrates how public schools are subject to all sorts of guarantees of Constitutional rights because they are entities of the state, and you either don't know that and therefore have not the slightest clue what you are talking about or are trolling.

You are making a comparison that makes no sense at all. Desegregation has to do with Civil Rights. Burger King has to provide people with their Civil Rights. Burger King is not come under separation of Church and State.

Therefore, your statement is completely incorrect.

You are completely insane.

I can see why you would say something like that. There are way too many very stupid people who believe that others who do not agree with their stupid ideas must be crazy. You just do not realize how stupid you really are.

No, what you are arguing has absolutely no basis in reality, or at least shows a vast ignorance of the law. Your argument that public schools are not subject to the Establishment Clause is completely, utterly, one-hundred percent, demonstrably wrong. Read this for starters. They are citing Supreme Court decisions, so no matter what you think of the ACLU or what you think should be the case, there is law on the books completely contrary to your argument.


Okay, your link stated:

"More recently, the Supreme Court has held that a school district may not require that students observe a moment of silence at the beginning of the school day where the purpose of such a requirement is that students use that time for prayer."

In the article, the children were given the option of not attending the outing. Thank you for proving that the school in this article did nothing wrong.

CASE CLOSED.
 
2012-12-05 04:03:58 PM  

chuckufarlie: In the article, the children were given the option of not attending the outing. Thank you for proving that the school in this article did nothing wrong.

CASE CLOSED.
WHARRGARBL CHECKMATE


FTFY
 
2012-12-05 04:06:35 PM  

Wrathskellar: cybernia: ONE parent had a problem with it and the tattled to that group who probably don't have any kids in that school. 99.99% of the parents didn't have a problem with it. The parent didn't want to be identified because "they are concerned about their kids being singled out and bullied." Yeah, "because your/mom dad is such a douche, we don't get to see Charlie Brown."

From a KATV report:

"They have to choose to either go against their own personal beliefs and go with the in-crowd," said Thomas, "or step aside and take a stand for their own beliefs, which they'll be ostracized and singled out."

Yeah they will be, not because of their personal beliefs but because they are trying to impose those personal beliefs on others. All they had to do was opt out. Problem solved. None of the other parents seemed to have a problem with and if they did, opted their kid out without making a huge fuss.

I believe in separation of church and state, but this kind of stuff is absurd.

So you're okay with public schools spending your money to promote a preferred religious view?

I'm not, and neither is the law.


I don't see a problem. They weren't forcing kids to go. The bottom line here is 99.99% of parents didn't have a problem with it and if they don't have a problem, neither do I. And they're not spending my money, but when they do quite often isn't something I agree with but that's the nature of our society. Your tax money goes for a lot of stuff you don't use or agree with.

I don't believe that this separation has to be absolute, there's wiggle room and you have to take each case on its own merits. I'm not afraid of religion or churches and although I don't have kids, if I did I wouldn't have a problem with them being exposed to religion. It might even get them asking questions.
 
2012-12-05 04:07:17 PM  
Speaking as an Atheist; all other atheists need to STFU please. You're not as important as you think you are.
 
2012-12-05 04:07:22 PM  

chuckufarlie: CASE CLOSED.


I love this argument technique.

Rant on and on about legal concept is correct even though it goes completely against all precedent and then announce "CASE CLOSED" like you've just said something important.

The stupid really does burn sometimes ...
 
2012-12-05 04:08:18 PM  

lordjupiter: chuckufarlie: lordjupiter: Let's see....I pay taxes for schools, I vote for the School Board members, schools are open to the public...

clearly a private entity and NOT subject to the Constitution! Brilliant!

/seriously, wtf...a new level of derp

none of those items determine if any institute is subject to the separation of Church and State. The fact that you made the comment about the entire Constitution speaks volumes about your level of intelligence.


Says the guy who thinks that claiming school districts are not subject to laws or control by the government simply because they're not on the books as part of the larger government.

Every school board answers to SOME government, at SOME LEVEL. And that government in turn answers to a higher branch, and ultimately they are bound by the Constitution.

It is absolutely insane but typical that someone would argue otherwise, especially in light of numerous SCOTUS rulings, and then accuse others of being stupid.

Unless of course one is just trolling, in which case, 3/10.


My school board answers to the people of the school district. That is the way that it works in this state and you would have to be incredibly stupid to say that I am wrong when you have no idea about what happens in my state,
 
2012-12-05 04:08:38 PM  

chuckufarlie: lordjupiter: Let's see....I pay taxes for schools, I vote for the School Board members, schools are open to the public...

clearly a private entity and NOT subject to the Constitution! Brilliant!

/seriously, wtf...a new level of derp

none of those items determine if any institute is subject to the separation of Church and State. The fact that you made the comment about the entire Constitution speaks volumes about your level of intelligence.


You're like Fark's bratty little sister. "I'm not stupid, you're stupid. And jealous!"
 
2012-12-05 04:08:49 PM  

JeffDenver: Speaking as an Atheist; all other atheists need to STFU please. You're not as important as you think you are.


Right ... they should not point out violations of the constitution because you think it's rude??

/who's the person with the high opinion of themselves here??
 
2012-12-05 04:10:21 PM  

notdorothy: chuckufarlie: not in this state

Where the you know what do you live?

I still don't get though, it seems a public school is still a government agency, even if only a local one.


Maybe you should look into how it works where you live. "it seems" is hardly a position of authority.
 
2012-12-05 04:10:39 PM  

chuckufarlie: My school board answers to the people of the school district. That is the way that it works in this state and you would have to be incredibly stupid to say that I am wrong when you have no idea about what happens in my state,


That's because you live in a fictional state where the rules are obviously whatever you say they are.
 
2012-12-05 04:10:40 PM  

cybernia: Wrathskellar: cybernia: ONE parent had a problem with it and the tattled to that group who probably don't have any kids in that school. 99.99% of the parents didn't have a problem with it. The parent didn't want to be identified because "they are concerned about their kids being singled out and bullied." Yeah, "because your/mom dad is such a douche, we don't get to see Charlie Brown."

From a KATV report:

"They have to choose to either go against their own personal beliefs and go with the in-crowd," said Thomas, "or step aside and take a stand for their own beliefs, which they'll be ostracized and singled out."

Yeah they will be, not because of their personal beliefs but because they are trying to impose those personal beliefs on others. All they had to do was opt out. Problem solved. None of the other parents seemed to have a problem with and if they did, opted their kid out without making a huge fuss.

I believe in separation of church and state, but this kind of stuff is absurd.

So you're okay with public schools spending your money to promote a preferred religious view?

I'm not, and neither is the law.

I don't see a problem. They weren't forcing kids to go. The bottom line here is 99.99% of parents didn't have a problem with it and if they don't have a problem, neither do I. And they're not spending my money, but when they do quite often isn't something I agree with but that's the nature of our society. Your tax money goes for a lot of stuff you don't use or agree with.

I don't believe that this separation has to be absolute, there's wiggle room and you have to take each case on its own merits. I'm not afraid of religion or churches and although I don't have kids, if I did I wouldn't have a problem with them being exposed to religion. It might even get them asking questions.


Which is fine. It's not an absolute. Kids can pray in school, it's just teachers cannot sanction or lead it.

And as I mention elsewhere, if this had been in a part of the country where the people are not constantly and consistently trying to weaken the separation of church and state, no one would have said boo.

Besides all that, the play was violating copyright law.
 
2012-12-05 04:11:07 PM  

browntimmy: chuckufarlie: lordjupiter: Let's see....I pay taxes for schools, I vote for the School Board members, schools are open to the public...

clearly a private entity and NOT subject to the Constitution! Brilliant!

/seriously, wtf...a new level of derp

none of those items determine if any institute is subject to the separation of Church and State. The fact that you made the comment about the entire Constitution speaks volumes about your level of intelligence.

You're like Fark's bratty little sister. "I'm not stupid, you're stupid. And jealous!"


unlike your little sister, I explained why you people are stupid.
 
2012-12-05 04:11:23 PM  

that bosnian sniper: hell, "Christmas" as an established, universal Christian holiday doesn't even predate the First Council of Nicea.


The Catholic Church had no established, universal dogma prior to the First Council of Nicea.
 
2012-12-05 04:12:01 PM  

jshine: JohnnyC: jshine: This level of butt-hurt is like banning the Odyssey because "We're atheists and we don't believe in Zeus and Athena".

Except that isn't what happened at all. But if you conflate the story to go from, "the preacher canceled the trip after hearing that an atheist was concerned about it" to "banning charlie brown Christmas", it makes it a lot easier for you to look down your nose at atheists? Is that about right?

Yea, that's just me skimming the article rather than reading it...


It happens. Also, bravo for admitting as much.
 
2012-12-05 04:12:51 PM  

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: My school board answers to the people of the school district. That is the way that it works in this state and you would have to be incredibly stupid to say that I am wrong when you have no idea about what happens in my state,

That's because you live in a fictional state where the rules are obviously whatever you say they are.


nope, I live in one of the real 50 states. It would be very stupid of me to attempt to tell others how things are where they live. That applies to you as well.
 
2012-12-05 04:13:23 PM  

Surool: jshine: This level of butt-hurt is like banning the Odyssey because "We're atheists and we don't believe in Zeus and Athena".

Would the school kids be bussed to a local temple of Zeus or Athena to study The Odyssey?


How about to Atlanta, the site of an Olympic Games?
 
2012-12-05 04:14:35 PM  

chuckufarlie: nope, I live in one of the real 50 states


So, not Hawaii?
 
2012-12-05 04:14:57 PM  

grimlock1972: Atheists we don't force you to believe in a god so please keep out of religious folks business.


If it's in a public school it's the public's business. Including atheists.

Please learn this very simple fact.
 
2012-12-05 04:16:04 PM  

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: nope, I live in one of the real 50 states

So, not Hawaii?


I wish!!!!
 
2012-12-05 04:17:39 PM  

This text is now purple: Surool: jshine: This level of butt-hurt is like banning the Odyssey because "We're atheists and we don't believe in Zeus and Athena".

Would the school kids be bussed to a local temple of Zeus or Athena to study The Odyssey?

How about to Atlanta, the site of an Olympic Games?


Or how 'bout to Olympus Mons or the old Olympia beer brewery?
 
2012-12-05 04:20:25 PM  

chuckufarlie:
My school board answers to the people of the school district. That is the way that it works in this state and you would have to be incredibly stupid to say that I am wrong when you have no idea about what happens in my state,


Exactly how are they accountable to the people? Voting them out of office, impeachment?
 
2012-12-05 04:21:32 PM  

JeffDenver: Speaking as an Atheist; all other atheists need to STFU please. You're not as important as you think you are.


You capitalized atheist... interesting. Your silence is deafening.
 
2012-12-05 04:24:59 PM  
How about 'It's Ramadan, Charlie Brown!' Are you down with that haters?
 
2012-12-05 04:25:13 PM  
Right ... they should not point out violations of the constitution because you think it's rude??

LOL! "OMG someone is talking about religion in my presence, call the Police!"

Maybe it's time to grow a thicker skin princess.
 
2012-12-05 04:26:37 PM  

dj1s: How about 'It's Ramadan, Charlie Brown!' Are you down with that haters?


who are you talking to?
 
2012-12-05 04:29:39 PM  

dkoucky: This is cultural censorship! I am not a Christian, however we cannot censor culture. Many plays, books, paintings, sculptures, and other works of art have religious themes; does that mean they should not be seen? Should we stop teaching Algebra because it was created by a Muslim and pushed forward through Islam? Is a class allowed to see paintings by Da Vinci as many of them contain Christian themes? This is the same concept of censoring school libraries because you disagree with the moral principals of a book.


Let's start by having the kid's read Naked Lunch
 
2012-12-05 04:34:41 PM  

JohnnyC: Trivia Jockey: HotWingConspiracy:
I assume you were an atheist when you were in school? So you know how it goes for atheists who get outted to their fellow students?

For me it was the modified version of the pledge that outted me as an atheist to the more religious students. See... I didn't say that, "under god" part that the Knights of Columbus managed to get added to the pledge. I didn't agree with it, it didn't fit, and so when that part would come up, I simply wouldn't say those words. Someone noticed... one of the religious kids.

From that point on I was attacked, bullied, and persecuted by the religious kids in that school. It didn't really stop until I got into an entirely different school. Luckily at that school, they didn't make us say the pledge and nobody noticed that I wasn't "one of faithful."

If a kid got opted out of this... they would have faced more than just sitting and being bored while the other students went to church. You can pretend otherwise... but that just isn't how it goes..


Nope not an atheist and not religious, per se. and neither was anybody else in my school or town and I grew up in a small town. By that I mean, no one talked about it. It wasn't a topic of conversation or an issue. People would go to church on Sunday and that's about it. My town had about a half a dozen or so churches in a town of 5,000. Of course we didn't have any of the evangelical type churches. I had two good friends whose dads were reverends. I used to hang at their houses and there was never any talk of religion. 

Even though in my teens I rejected the church, my parents would make me go to at least Xmas eve mass. My friend also always had a party that night and they understood why I would be late.
 
2012-12-05 04:37:22 PM  

Surool: This text is now purple: Surool: jshine: This level of butt-hurt is like banning the Odyssey because "We're atheists and we don't believe in Zeus and Athena".

Would the school kids be bussed to a local temple of Zeus or Athena to study The Odyssey?

How about to Atlanta, the site of an Olympic Games?

Or how 'bout to Olympus Mons or the old Olympia beer brewery?


Or the Parthenon, which is an actual temple of Athena. Pricey field-trip, but very cool.
 
2012-12-05 04:38:06 PM  
Boo hoo, I was forced to say "under god" as a kid and it ruined my life forever. Outrage!
 
2012-12-05 04:38:21 PM  

JeffDenver: Right ... they should not point out violations of the constitution because you think it's rude??

LOL! "OMG someone is talking about religion in my presence, call the Police!"

Maybe it's time to grow a thicker skin princess.


Way to miss the point Sunshine. I have watched the Charlie Brown special and would not have an issue with letting a child of mine watch it (if I had any (and we'd probably have a laugh about how people actually believe that the magic stuff is real)).

The issue is with taking public school children to a church so they can attend an event created and hosted by a religious leader. At this point it doesn't matter what the content was (unless it was explicitly secular). It violates the separation of church and state. It alienates a percentage of the population.

As many have pointed out ... the priest backed down at the first sign of resistance. Obviously he is smarter than the bulk of the posters here and knew he was violating the law.
 
2012-12-05 04:40:49 PM  

JeffDenver: Right ... they should not point out violations of the constitution because you think it's rude??

LOL! "OMG someone is talking about religion in my presence, call the Police!"

Maybe it's time to grow a thicker skin princess.


You're trolling atheists? hmmmm
 
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