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2012-12-05 02:29:12 PM  

Nabb1: I don't think schools should promote religion, either, but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with anyone taking my kids to see a church or synagogue or mosque if the purpose was non-religious. You haven't answered that question. Intellectual curiosity doesn't necessarily mean religious indoctrination, after all.


What does that have to do with the story in the link?
 
2012-12-05 02:29:29 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Farking Canuck: HindiDiscoMonster: I drunk what: BronyMedic:
[www.conservapedia.com image 350x241]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL. 

lulz look at them drinkin' their cawfee, so cute

you have a larger version of that?

Why? So you perpetuate the stupidity that atheism can actually be the motivation for any act??

How about you show us the sections in the atheist magic books that encourage spreading atheism by the sword. Or any other form of atheist dogma that encourages killing infidels.

Religions have rules, guidelines, instructions, commandments ... all of which are manipulated by leaders to make religious people do stuff.

Atheism has none of these things. There is no way for the lack of belief in something to motivate actions.

This is just another lie from the religious people who are desperate to bring atheism down to the level of a religion.

wow, you went full retarded on me... dayum.... never go full retarded
the reason i wanted a larger version is my screen sucks... kind of hard to make things out on...

/calm down Francis... I didn't attack you.


If you are not one of the idiots that maintains that somehow atheism motivated the mass murders committed by dictators then I apologize. I would have responded to IDW's original post but he just talks in endless circles telling people what they believe so that would be useless.
 
2012-12-05 02:31:55 PM  
It was a cultural event that tells the true origin of the holiday that was voluntary with parental permission.

There is NOTHING wrong with that.
 
2012-12-05 02:32:15 PM  

lordjupiter: Irony. U has it.


Sorry, I must have missed your point when I was looking out my window at the tax-exempt megachurch that's hosted anti-Obama sermons from the pulpit, which counsels its parishioners in the tax-deductability of church contributions, that enjoys regular visits on the campaign trail and otherwise from Republican political candidates and endorses them in return, busses parishioners to debates and town hall meetings, has a whole PR/advertising/marketing staff, and preaches prosperity theology from the pulpit...all while contributing heavily in money and time to conservative organizations and groups while doing very precious little in way of real charity. I was also thinking about how it's one of three in my town alone, and how there's a couple dozen of them in the major metropolitan area and sprawl.

You were saying something about greed and capitalism, and prosperity theology, co-opting Christianity?
 
2012-12-05 02:32:36 PM  

SubjectVerb: Beliefs about religion =/= religious beliefs.


bacon =/= eggs

i like bacon
 
2012-12-05 02:33:05 PM  

RatOmeter: chewielouie: What a miserable existence it must be, to be an atheist . . . so sure and smugly confident in your beliefs, that you still cry and complain you are being excluded or ostracized by something like 'A Charlie Brown Christmas.' Where is the moaning about not having to work on December 25?

Were you replying to someone specific or just to atheists in general? My only concern here is the separation of church and state. The government should not promote any religion. Now that's not the same at all as denying or outlawing any religion or religions. Here it means that the school shouldn't use public funds to bus children to a church sponsored, pseudo-religious event. Doesn't matter what church. It wouldn't be right even if they asked every child what their religion was and crafted a personal, religious field trip for each one. US governments are not to be in the business of religion. That's what churches are for.


I have been paying property taxes in this area for 20 plus years. Both of my children went to Catholic Schools. I still paid property taxes just like parents who sent their kids to public schools. All I asked was that the school provide transportation to the schools that my children attended. The school system got off easy. It would have been a lot more expensive for this if I had sent my children to public schools.

My local school system is not a part of the U.S. government. I do not know of any school that is. The local school system is not part of the state, country or municipal government. They do get financing via property taxes but that does not make them a govt. entity.
 
2012-12-05 02:34:38 PM  

Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?

No, but you said "for any reason." There may be many valid reasons apart from religion to see a church (or place of worship of any number of faiths) - history, art, architecture. Don't get mad at me because you made a really broad statement. I'm not even particularly religious.

Oh f*ck off with your juvenile parsing. If you want your religion to be respected, you should respect the beliefs of others.

My, aren't we charming? Why can't you answer a simple question? I don't think I was parsing. I was asking you to elaborate. You said you would not allow a school to take your child to a church "for any reason" and I responded by asking if you thought history or art or architecture - wholly non-religious interests - would be an acceptable purpose for such a trip. How have I disrespected anyone's beliefs? Have I accused you of disrespecting any of my beliefs (which would be kind of hard since even I haven't ever really pinned them down myself)?

I don't need to elaborate or explain anything beyond the fact I don't want religion in my schools, and that schools shouldn't take kids to church so they can promote religion.

I don't think schools should promote religion, either, but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with anyone taking my kids to see a chur ...


I think he is avoiding the question. But, any school trip would have have to be explained as non-religious, and maybe balanced with a following trip that is not to a religious location.
 
2012-12-05 02:34:49 PM  

Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.


maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.
 
2012-12-05 02:35:03 PM  

that bosnian sniper: lordjupiter: Irony. U has it.

Sorry, I must have missed your point when I was looking out my window at the tax-exempt megachurch that's hosted anti-Obama sermons from the pulpit, which counsels its parishioners in the tax-deductability of church contributions, that enjoys regular visits on the campaign trail and otherwise from Republican political candidates and endorses them in return, busses parishioners to debates and town hall meetings, has a whole PR/advertising/marketing staff, and preaches prosperity theology from the pulpit...all while contributing heavily in money and time to conservative organizations and groups while doing very precious little in way of real charity. I was also thinking about how it's one of three in my town alone, and how there's a couple dozen of them in the major metropolitan area and sprawl.

You were saying something about greed and capitalism, and prosperity theology, co-opting Christianity?


I was going to ask if you lived in Co Springs, but then I checked your profile.
 
2012-12-05 02:35:37 PM  

I drunk what: Farking Canuck: There is no way for the lack of belief in something to motivate actions.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 651x277]

what a lack of belief looks like

learn some words, then come back and go full retard on us

until then, i'd love to hear bronymedic's opinion about murdering innocent children...

are you for it or against it?


I'm sorry, did you just complain about people going full retard then ask someone how they felt about murdering innocent children?

Oh, god...the derp...THE DERP!!
 
2012-12-05 02:37:16 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: There is no way for the lack of belief in something to motivate actions.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 651x277]

what a lack of belief looks like

learn some words, then come back and go full retard on us

until then, i'd love to hear bronymedic's opinion about murdering innocent children...

are you for it or against it?

I'm sorry, did you just complain about people going full retard then ask someone how they felt about murdering innocent children?

Oh, god...the derp...THE DERP!!


Didn't you know? Us atheists are big fans of murdering innocent children. Well if you didn't already know that, now you know.
 
2012-12-05 02:37:38 PM  

chuckufarlie: My local school system is not a part of the U.S. government. I do not know of any school that is. The local school system is not part of the state, country or municipal government. They do get financing via property taxes but that does not make them a govt. entity.


They're run by state employees and receive their operational funding directly from the government.
 
2012-12-05 02:37:49 PM  

Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.


thank you for clarifying. Your posts were unclear on that.

It's the content of the production that's the issue. Going to a church for a play isn't a problem. My parish growing up had a theatre group that did all sorts of productions, not all religiously themed. There have been people in here who would be furious if their kids were taken on a field trip to see Death of a Salesman if the production happened in a church.
 
2012-12-05 02:38:14 PM  

GOOD CHRIST IS THIS THREAD STILL MEANDERING ON?

DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK OR SOMETHING?

 
2012-12-05 02:39:02 PM  

that bosnian sniper: lordjupiter: Irony. U has it.

Sorry, I must have missed your point when I was looking out my window at the tax-exempt megachurch that's hosted anti-Obama sermons from the pulpit, which counsels its parishioners in the tax-deductability of church contributions, that enjoys regular visits on the campaign trail and otherwise from Republican political candidates and endorses them in return, busses parishioners to debates and town hall meetings, has a whole PR/advertising/marketing staff, and preaches prosperity theology from the pulpit...all while contributing heavily in money and time to conservative organizations and groups while doing very precious little in way of real charity. I was also thinking about how it's one of three in my town alone, and how there's a couple dozen of them in the major metropolitan area and sprawl.

You were saying something about greed and capitalism, and prosperity theology, co-opting Christianity?


Something about it, yes. That's about as far as you got, apparently.

Again, this very thread is proof of you're wrong. The assimilation is not complete, yet. Otherwise, this thread wouldn't exist.

Deck the halls with lots of derping
derpy derpy derp, da derp derp derp
 
2012-12-05 02:39:04 PM  

Surool: Nabb1: I don't think schools should promote religion, either, but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with anyone taking my kids to see a church or synagogue or mosque if the purpose was non-religious. You haven't answered that question. Intellectual curiosity doesn't necessarily mean religious indoctrination, after all.

What does that have to do with the story in the link?


I was asking you to elaborate on your statement about not letting a school take your child to a church "for any reason," not any particular aspect of the article. Would you let a school take your child to the Old North Church in Boston for a history lesson?
 
2012-12-05 02:39:06 PM  

Via Infinito: sethen320: skullkrusher: justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.

considering your performance in every thread, I am not surprised that you're surprised by unsurprising things. You are that simple.

I have skullkrusher in green.

I've got him in cyan. Love me some skullkrusher.


I aim to please
 
2012-12-05 02:40:21 PM  

chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.


What about the Hindu, Buddhist and Muslim kids?

That type of thing where kids of other religions (or lack thereof) get singled out while christian kids get to watch a cartoon is exactly why we keep religions of of public schools.

I know you'd like to send your kids to a christian school, and they exist. So send them there.
 
2012-12-05 02:40:24 PM  
Well then, I'm not inviting anyone over to see the Great Pumpkin on Halloween...on Pagan protest grounds.
 
2012-12-05 02:40:33 PM  

skullkrusher: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

thank you for clarifying. Your posts were unclear on that.

It's the content of the production that's the issue. Going to a church for a play isn't a problem. My parish growing up had a theatre group that did all sorts of productions, not all religiously themed. There have been people in here who would be furious if their kids were taken on a field trip to see Death of a Salesman if the production happened in a church.


Bob Jones University in Greenville, SC used to put on some great Shakespeare productions, from what I used to hear. Bob Jones was a religious nut, but he loved Shakespeare and did a pretty good Lear, apparently.
 
2012-12-05 02:40:47 PM  

mcwehrle: GOOD CHRIST IS THIS THREAD STILL MEANDERING ON?

DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK OR SOMETHING?


I did but my building was shut down by the NYC Freethinkers cuz the street sign out front made a shadow that looked vaguely like a cross on the sidewalk between 12:15 and 12:17PM each day
 
2012-12-05 02:40:47 PM  

Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: I don't think schools should promote religion, either, but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with anyone taking my kids to see a church or synagogue or mosque if the purpose was non-religious. You haven't answered that question. Intellectual curiosity doesn't necessarily mean religious indoctrination, after all.

What does that have to do with the story in the link?

I was asking you to elaborate on your statement about not letting a school take your child to a church "for any reason," not any particular aspect of the article. Would you let a school take your child to the Old North Church in Boston for a history lesson?


If you say yes, then schools can teach the Bible and checkmate, athiests.
 
2012-12-05 02:40:55 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.

Sure. I'm not a fan of preachy at the best of times, and I think CBC was heavy handed, even for a christian piece. But one of the few truly great things that religion has inspired over the millenia is art. CBC is art. Having it voiced by age-realistic children (as technically flawed as it turned out to be) was utter genius. The kids are at least half of the piece's soul.

Religion is inspiring*. Unfortunately, art isn't the only thing it inspires, but, you know... Different thread.

/ *Although not so much anymore it seems. Religion-inspired art seems to be utter garbage lately.
// CBC may be the last of the greats.


I think you might be confusing correlation with causation. Simply because art was historically generated in a religiously permeated culture does not make religion the generator of art. You gave evidence against that by saying that current religion-inspired art is utter garbage, yet we still have an outpouring of art currently. That would be pretty strong evidence against religion being in any way inspiring of art. The only thing it proves is that religion at the time was pervasive and you were effectively required to include religion in your art if you wanted to do art and not be ostracized, or worse.
 
2012-12-05 02:41:58 PM  

Farking Canuck: If you are not one of the idiots that maintains that somehow christianity motivated the murders committed by abortion clinic protesters then I apologize.


apology accepted

however we're still waiting to see who actually supports child murder in the first place, and whether or not they would defend innocent life in those cases...

any takers? for teh lulz....?
 
2012-12-05 02:41:59 PM  

Nabb1: skullkrusher: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

thank you for clarifying. Your posts were unclear on that.

It's the content of the production that's the issue. Going to a church for a play isn't a problem. My parish growing up had a theatre group that did all sorts of productions, not all religiously themed. There have been people in here who would be furious if their kids were taken on a field trip to see Death of a Salesman if the production happened in a church.

Bob Jones University in Greenville, SC used to put on some great Shakespeare productions, from what I used to hear. Bob Jones was a religious nut, but he loved Shakespeare and did a pretty good Lear, apparently.


BJU is the greatest example of false advertising ever
 
2012-12-05 02:42:51 PM  

mcwehrle: GOOD CHRIST IS THIS THREAD STILL MEANDERING ON?

DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK OR SOMETHING?


Shhhhh.. They're doing the work of Jesus and Non-Jesus. They'll take up the collection in a bit and the service will be over.
 
2012-12-05 02:43:24 PM  

chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.


Here's a better solution.

Send your kids to catholic school, and leave out all religion out of public school, voluntary or otherwise.
 
2012-12-05 02:44:11 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: JackieRabbit: I should be in the kitchen: Please knock it off, fellow atheists, it's hard enough being openly atheist in this country without giving religious types more fodder to attack us with.

I agree with your request, but why do you feel you need to be "openly atheist?" I'm agnostic and if someone tries to engage me with something along the lines of "where do you go to church?," I simply say, "I'm sorry, but I don't discuss religion." This works for the mainstreamers. Some born-againers will start to "witness" and I just tell them I am not interested. I don't care if this offends them. Really, it's not worth the wasted effort to do otherwise. Religious belief or the lack thereof should be a very personal matter that is not discussed with strangers.

I don't make a point of telling people I'm an atheist, but I won't lie if asked either. I used to, or change the subject but I dunno... It began to feel like I was hiding that part of who I am for fear of offending people. And I realized I'm not ashamed of who I am, so why hide it? If someone gets offended and tries to "witness" at me, that says a lot about their insecurity.


Fair enough. Sound like you have it covered pretty good.
 
2012-12-05 02:44:26 PM  

doyner: Carving out a few hours from a public school day to take kids to a church to watch a story about how Linus and Charlie Brown are touched by the birth of Christ is clearly over the line.


i.qkme.me

/there are rules
 
2012-12-05 02:45:09 PM  

had98c: Lionel Mandrake: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: There is no way for the lack of belief in something to motivate actions.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 651x277]

what a lack of belief looks like

learn some words, then come back and go full retard on us

until then, i'd love to hear bronymedic's opinion about murdering innocent children...

are you for it or against it?

I'm sorry, did you just complain about people going full retard then ask someone how they felt about murdering innocent children?

Oh, god...the derp...THE DERP!!

Didn't you know? Us atheists are big fans of murdering innocent children. Well if you didn't already know that, now you know.


As a life-long atheist, I have always opposed the murdering of innocent children.

I mean, why would you do that? That's just throwing away the opportunity to enjoy years of defilement, humiliation, torture, and mutilation. The sound of tortured children screaming is music to an atheist's ears! Try it, you'll love it!
 
2012-12-05 02:45:12 PM  

JackieRabbit: mcwehrle: GOOD CHRIST IS THIS THREAD STILL MEANDERING ON?

DON'T YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK OR SOMETHING?

Shhhhh.. They're doing the work of Jesus and Non-Jesus. They'll take up the collection in a bit and the service will be over.


What about supply side Jesus?

I just want to make sure we cover all the Jesuses.
 
2012-12-05 02:45:16 PM  
Can we finaly let go of the nostalgia about anything Charlie Brown? If you're between the ages of 10-65 and love it, I'm sorry, you're extremely lame. Okay, the song is catchy, but that's it.
 
2012-12-05 02:46:00 PM  

DaCaptain19: The atheist f*cks are more annoying than the pastor of Westboro Baptist!

what a bunch of sand-in-the-vagina pussy f*cks.

I'm not Catholic but I don't shiat my pants every time I see the Pope on the news.

Atheists SHOULD have the most civic-minded, volunteering, charity-based values. After all, no higher power - all we got is each other.

Instead, they poop their panties over a cartoon that is over 47 years old. Instead, they're bigger dicks to their own (you know...people?), on a daily basis, than ANY other faith-based belief system (because oh yeah, atheism is faith-based).

Jeebus, are you atheist f*ckers too lazy to use the remote? Because there are a LOT of TV programs that are on at any one point in time. Or try something more mentally stimulating like...reading, or have a hobby other than biatching about the irrelevant and watching TV shows you hate... 

Just a little suggestion for those whose stick up their arse has a stick up its arse.


I live with my mom
 
2012-12-05 02:47:07 PM  
Can't we just have something for once that people don't get all butt-hurt over? If it was good enough for us when we were kids, you would think it's still good enough for us as adults. Bugs Bunny cartoons, drinking from the hose in the yard, monkey bars, no warning labels on music, yada yada yada...
 
2012-12-05 02:47:40 PM  

Epicedion: ...They're run by state employees and receive their operational funding directly from the government.


Which, in turn, puts them on the hook for obeying federal law. As long as the taxpayer is footing the bill in total or in part, the First Amendment must be heeded.
 
2012-12-05 02:48:04 PM  
No discussion of Charlie Brown is complete without A PEANUTS HALLOWEEN II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
 
2012-12-05 02:48:13 PM  

gregp1369: Can't we just have something for once that people don't get all butt-hurt over? If it was good enough for us when we were kids, you would think it's still good enough for us as adults. Bugs Bunny cartoons, drinking from the hose in the yard, monkey bars, no warning labels on music, yada yada yada...


Lead paint, CFCs, Thalidomide...
 
2012-12-05 02:48:39 PM  

Surool: chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.

What about the Hindu, Buddhist and Muslim kids?

That type of thing where kids of other religions (or lack thereof) get singled out while christian kids get to watch a cartoon is exactly why we keep religions of of public schools.

I know you'd like to send your kids to a christian school, and they exist. So send them there.


I did. And they both ended up with scholastic scholarships for college.

Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.

It is a CARTOON ans that is what kids see. They do not see that one brief moment of religion that is tossed in.


Maybe we should insist that stores stop having Christmas sales, Christmas displays and the sappy music.

Or you could mind your own farking business and let people live the way that they want. You and your ilk are always screaming about separation of church and state. Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.
 
2012-12-05 02:48:46 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I'm sorry, did you just complain about people going full retard then ask someone how they felt about murdering innocent children?


well unlike Farking Canuck who just talks in endless circles telling people what they believe

i prefer to ask for clarification about a particular person's point of view before i criticize it, otherwise i'd be no better than the idiots that rage against me

/that would be useless
 
2012-12-05 02:49:15 PM  

Pitabred: MooseUpNorth: Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.

Sure. I'm not a fan of preachy at the best of times, and I think CBC was heavy handed, even for a christian piece. But one of the few truly great things that religion has inspired over the millenia is art. CBC is art. Having it voiced by age-realistic children (as technically flawed as it turned out to be) was utter genius. The kids are at least half of the piece's soul.

Religion is inspiring*. Unfortunately, art isn't the only thing it inspires, but, you know... Different thread.

/ *Although not so much anymore it seems. Religion-inspired art seems to be utter garbage lately.
// CBC may be the last of the greats.

I think you might be confusing correlation with causation. Simply because art was historically generated in a religiously permeated culture does not make religion the generator of art. You gave evidence against that by saying that current religion-inspired art is utter garbage, yet we still have an outpouring of art currently. That would be pretty strong evidence against religion being in any way inspiring of art. The only thing it proves is that religion at the time was pervasive and you were effectively required to include religion in your art if you wanted to do art and not be ostracized, or worse.


Actually, art had religious content because it was being sponsored by the church. If you where an artist at that time and actually wanted to get paid, the church was your only option unless you worked for a royal family.
 
2012-12-05 02:49:34 PM  

chuckufarlie: Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.


Yes, they are.
 
2012-12-05 02:49:38 PM  

srtpointman: Jesus fark! The god damned Atheists are getting as bad as the Christians!


i4.ytimg.com

I know how much people love to be morally indignant, but let's have a little perspective here.
 
2012-12-05 02:49:44 PM  

browntimmy: Can we finaly let go of the nostalgia about anything Charlie Brown? If you're between the ages of 10-65 and love it, I'm sorry, you're extremely lame. Okay, the song is catchy, but that's it.


Ten year old kids who like cartoons are lame? What is your mental age?
 
2012-12-05 02:49:57 PM  
I read TFA, though not all 600+ posts in this thread. One thing really stood out:

Do the schools have so little to teach, and the kids have so much time on their hands, that this school has to resort to filling up time by busing students to somewhere, anywhere, for the purposes of entertainment? And more specifically, a play duplicating something that every last one of them will watch on TV anyway? And probably already have the DVD of?

Seriously, with all the talk about schools needing to keep kids there year-round for more instruction, ending classes in non-core subjects so more time can be spent on the same, and whatnot, why are they taking the kids out of school to go to a play? Especially that play? Or, for that matter, if there was one based on Frosty the Snowman, or Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer, or How the Grinch Stole Christmas, or It's a Wonderful LIfe ... you're going to see those in December. They're practically inescapable, kind of like that recording of dogs barking Jingle Bells. Why pull the kids out of school, and waste at least half a day's instructional time, for that?

If the church really wanted kids to see their play, instead of just taking a fall to whip up fake outrage, they could have put it on any time. Saturday afternoon would be nice. They could have done a kids-only performance. They could have done a whole lot of things. Instead, they managed to hit on every way of doing it wrong -- taking time away from school, duplicating something that's ubiquitous, and of course holding it in a church -- and then cried to the media when some anonymous person supposedly objected. Not the school, I should point out. Not anybody identifiable.

And btw, Subby, there's no sign of atheist outrage over people watching "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown." None. Period. Not in the article, not anywhere. Watch anything you like; nobody's stopping you. Preferably watch it when you would otherwise be submitting trollish headlines to Fark.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:07 PM  

skullkrusher: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

thank you for clarifying. Your posts were unclear on that.

It's the content of the production that's the issue. Going to a church for a play isn't a problem. My parish growing up had a theatre group that did all sorts of productions, not all religiously themed. There have been people in here who would be furious if their kids were taken on a field trip to see Death of a Salesman if the production happened in a church.


Thank you for not suggesting a bunch of off-topic scenarios to try to play the "gotcha" game.

Public Schools should not be promoting Islam, Judaism, Christianity or anything else. There are religious schools out there for that... Send your kids there.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:21 PM  

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.

Yes, they are.


nope. They are not governed by any government agencies. Get over it.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:47 PM  
I didn't read the whole thread, it's pretty long.

Add mine to the voices which say why does a public school have to go to a church to see a live performance of CBC? If you want your kids to see it, take them yourself on the weekend or after school. Or you can all watch it together on TV as a family.

Going as a school trip is just wrong. It seems so obvious to me; I don't get why not everybody feels that way. It's not an issue whether you (or I) are personally offended or not. It's the exact same issue as a nativity scene on the courthouse grounds. Nobody is attacking Christmas or Christians by saying that you can put it on your church grounds or even your front yard just as easily.

Why this mania to put your religion in everyone's face? And why demonize people who feel that way?

Public school kids have no business going to such an overtly religous function while on the public school clock.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:51 PM  

justtray: chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.

Here's a better solution.

Send your kids to catholic school, and leave out all religion out of public school, voluntary or otherwise.



Kids SHOULD learn about religion in public schools. They SHOULD experience cultural practices and beliefs to expand their understanding of the world and their neighbors. This SHOULD NOT be voluntary. This should be part of the curriculum. However, they SHOULD NOT be taught religion as a matter of faith.

Once again you're wrong. Incessantly, vociferously and arrogantly wrong.
 
2012-12-05 02:51:46 PM  

Worldwalker: I read TFA, though not all 600+ posts in this thread. One thing really stood out:

Do the schools have so little to teach, and the kids have so much time on their hands, that this school has to resort to filling up time by busing students to somewhere, anywhere, for the purposes of entertainment? And more specifically, a play duplicating something that every last one of them will watch on TV anyway? And probably already have the DVD of?

Seriously, with all the talk about schools needing to keep kids there year-round for more instruction, ending classes in non-core subjects so more time can be spent on the same, and whatnot, why are they taking the kids out of school to go to a play? Especially that play? Or, for that matter, if there was one based on Frosty the Snowman, or Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer, or How the Grinch Stole Christmas, or It's a Wonderful LIfe ... you're going to see those in December. They're practically inescapable, kind of like that recording of dogs barking Jingle Bells. Why pull the kids out of school, and waste at least half a day's instructional time, for that?

If the church really wanted kids to see their play, instead of just taking a fall to whip up fake outrage, they could have put it on any time. Saturday afternoon would be nice. They could have done a kids-only performance. They could have done a whole lot of things. Instead, they managed to hit on every way of doing it wrong -- taking time away from school, duplicating something that's ubiquitous, and of course holding it in a church -- and then cried to the media when some anonymous person supposedly objected. Not the school, I should point out. Not anybody identifiable.

And btw, Subby, there's no sign of atheist outrage over people watching "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown." None. Period. Not in the article, not anywhere. Watch anything you like; nobody's stopping you. Preferably watch it when you would otherwise be submitting trollish headlines to Fark.


At this time of year, schools like to provide things for entertainment. Get over it.
 
2012-12-05 02:52:52 PM  

chuckufarlie: nope. They are not governed by any government agencies. Get over it.


Here's the one for New York.
 
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