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2012-12-05 02:48:39 PM

Surool: chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.

What about the Hindu, Buddhist and Muslim kids?

That type of thing where kids of other religions (or lack thereof) get singled out while christian kids get to watch a cartoon is exactly why we keep religions of of public schools.

I know you'd like to send your kids to a christian school, and they exist. So send them there.


I did. And they both ended up with scholastic scholarships for college.

Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.

It is a CARTOON ans that is what kids see. They do not see that one brief moment of religion that is tossed in.


Maybe we should insist that stores stop having Christmas sales, Christmas displays and the sappy music.

Or you could mind your own farking business and let people live the way that they want. You and your ilk are always screaming about separation of church and state. Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.
 
2012-12-05 02:48:46 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I'm sorry, did you just complain about people going full retard then ask someone how they felt about murdering innocent children?


well unlike Farking Canuck who just talks in endless circles telling people what they believe

i prefer to ask for clarification about a particular person's point of view before i criticize it, otherwise i'd be no better than the idiots that rage against me

/that would be useless
 
2012-12-05 02:49:15 PM

Pitabred: MooseUpNorth: Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.

Sure. I'm not a fan of preachy at the best of times, and I think CBC was heavy handed, even for a christian piece. But one of the few truly great things that religion has inspired over the millenia is art. CBC is art. Having it voiced by age-realistic children (as technically flawed as it turned out to be) was utter genius. The kids are at least half of the piece's soul.

Religion is inspiring*. Unfortunately, art isn't the only thing it inspires, but, you know... Different thread.

/ *Although not so much anymore it seems. Religion-inspired art seems to be utter garbage lately.
// CBC may be the last of the greats.

I think you might be confusing correlation with causation. Simply because art was historically generated in a religiously permeated culture does not make religion the generator of art. You gave evidence against that by saying that current religion-inspired art is utter garbage, yet we still have an outpouring of art currently. That would be pretty strong evidence against religion being in any way inspiring of art. The only thing it proves is that religion at the time was pervasive and you were effectively required to include religion in your art if you wanted to do art and not be ostracized, or worse.


Actually, art had religious content because it was being sponsored by the church. If you where an artist at that time and actually wanted to get paid, the church was your only option unless you worked for a royal family.
 
2012-12-05 02:49:34 PM

chuckufarlie: Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.


Yes, they are.
 
2012-12-05 02:49:38 PM

srtpointman: Jesus fark! The god damned Atheists are getting as bad as the Christians!


i4.ytimg.com

I know how much people love to be morally indignant, but let's have a little perspective here.
 
2012-12-05 02:49:44 PM

browntimmy: Can we finaly let go of the nostalgia about anything Charlie Brown? If you're between the ages of 10-65 and love it, I'm sorry, you're extremely lame. Okay, the song is catchy, but that's it.


Ten year old kids who like cartoons are lame? What is your mental age?
 
2012-12-05 02:49:57 PM
I read TFA, though not all 600+ posts in this thread. One thing really stood out:

Do the schools have so little to teach, and the kids have so much time on their hands, that this school has to resort to filling up time by busing students to somewhere, anywhere, for the purposes of entertainment? And more specifically, a play duplicating something that every last one of them will watch on TV anyway? And probably already have the DVD of?

Seriously, with all the talk about schools needing to keep kids there year-round for more instruction, ending classes in non-core subjects so more time can be spent on the same, and whatnot, why are they taking the kids out of school to go to a play? Especially that play? Or, for that matter, if there was one based on Frosty the Snowman, or Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer, or How the Grinch Stole Christmas, or It's a Wonderful LIfe ... you're going to see those in December. They're practically inescapable, kind of like that recording of dogs barking Jingle Bells. Why pull the kids out of school, and waste at least half a day's instructional time, for that?

If the church really wanted kids to see their play, instead of just taking a fall to whip up fake outrage, they could have put it on any time. Saturday afternoon would be nice. They could have done a kids-only performance. They could have done a whole lot of things. Instead, they managed to hit on every way of doing it wrong -- taking time away from school, duplicating something that's ubiquitous, and of course holding it in a church -- and then cried to the media when some anonymous person supposedly objected. Not the school, I should point out. Not anybody identifiable.

And btw, Subby, there's no sign of atheist outrage over people watching "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown." None. Period. Not in the article, not anywhere. Watch anything you like; nobody's stopping you. Preferably watch it when you would otherwise be submitting trollish headlines to Fark.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:07 PM

skullkrusher: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

thank you for clarifying. Your posts were unclear on that.

It's the content of the production that's the issue. Going to a church for a play isn't a problem. My parish growing up had a theatre group that did all sorts of productions, not all religiously themed. There have been people in here who would be furious if their kids were taken on a field trip to see Death of a Salesman if the production happened in a church.


Thank you for not suggesting a bunch of off-topic scenarios to try to play the "gotcha" game.

Public Schools should not be promoting Islam, Judaism, Christianity or anything else. There are religious schools out there for that... Send your kids there.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:21 PM

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.

Yes, they are.


nope. They are not governed by any government agencies. Get over it.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:47 PM
I didn't read the whole thread, it's pretty long.

Add mine to the voices which say why does a public school have to go to a church to see a live performance of CBC? If you want your kids to see it, take them yourself on the weekend or after school. Or you can all watch it together on TV as a family.

Going as a school trip is just wrong. It seems so obvious to me; I don't get why not everybody feels that way. It's not an issue whether you (or I) are personally offended or not. It's the exact same issue as a nativity scene on the courthouse grounds. Nobody is attacking Christmas or Christians by saying that you can put it on your church grounds or even your front yard just as easily.

Why this mania to put your religion in everyone's face? And why demonize people who feel that way?

Public school kids have no business going to such an overtly religous function while on the public school clock.
 
2012-12-05 02:50:51 PM

justtray: chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.

Here's a better solution.

Send your kids to catholic school, and leave out all religion out of public school, voluntary or otherwise.



Kids SHOULD learn about religion in public schools. They SHOULD experience cultural practices and beliefs to expand their understanding of the world and their neighbors. This SHOULD NOT be voluntary. This should be part of the curriculum. However, they SHOULD NOT be taught religion as a matter of faith.

Once again you're wrong. Incessantly, vociferously and arrogantly wrong.
 
2012-12-05 02:51:46 PM

Worldwalker: I read TFA, though not all 600+ posts in this thread. One thing really stood out:

Do the schools have so little to teach, and the kids have so much time on their hands, that this school has to resort to filling up time by busing students to somewhere, anywhere, for the purposes of entertainment? And more specifically, a play duplicating something that every last one of them will watch on TV anyway? And probably already have the DVD of?

Seriously, with all the talk about schools needing to keep kids there year-round for more instruction, ending classes in non-core subjects so more time can be spent on the same, and whatnot, why are they taking the kids out of school to go to a play? Especially that play? Or, for that matter, if there was one based on Frosty the Snowman, or Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer, or How the Grinch Stole Christmas, or It's a Wonderful LIfe ... you're going to see those in December. They're practically inescapable, kind of like that recording of dogs barking Jingle Bells. Why pull the kids out of school, and waste at least half a day's instructional time, for that?

If the church really wanted kids to see their play, instead of just taking a fall to whip up fake outrage, they could have put it on any time. Saturday afternoon would be nice. They could have done a kids-only performance. They could have done a whole lot of things. Instead, they managed to hit on every way of doing it wrong -- taking time away from school, duplicating something that's ubiquitous, and of course holding it in a church -- and then cried to the media when some anonymous person supposedly objected. Not the school, I should point out. Not anybody identifiable.

And btw, Subby, there's no sign of atheist outrage over people watching "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown." None. Period. Not in the article, not anywhere. Watch anything you like; nobody's stopping you. Preferably watch it when you would otherwise be submitting trollish headlines to Fark.


At this time of year, schools like to provide things for entertainment. Get over it.
 
2012-12-05 02:52:52 PM

chuckufarlie: nope. They are not governed by any government agencies. Get over it.


Here's the one for New York.
 
2012-12-05 02:52:55 PM
ONE parent had a problem with it and the tattled to that group who probably don't have any kids in that school. 99.99% of the parents didn't have a problem with it. The parent didn't want to be identified because "they are concerned about their kids being singled out and bullied." Yeah, "because your/mom dad is such a douche, we don't get to see Charlie Brown."

From a KATV report:

"They have to choose to either go against their own personal beliefs and go with the in-crowd," said Thomas, "or step aside and take a stand for their own beliefs, which they'll be ostracized and singled out."

Yeah they will be, not because of their personal beliefs but because they are trying to impose those personal beliefs on others. All they had to do was opt out. Problem solved. None of the other parents seemed to have a problem with and if they did, opted their kid out without making a huge fuss.

I believe in separation of church and state, but this kind of stuff is absurd.
 
2012-12-05 02:52:57 PM

chuckufarlie: Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.


No, because we have laws about this, and the kids' opinions don't change the laws.
 
2012-12-05 02:52:57 PM

Surool: Public Schools should not be promoting Islam, Judaism, Christianity or anything else. There are religious schools out there for that... Send your kids there.


agreed. Promotion of any faith (or faith in general) has no place in a public school.
 
2012-12-05 02:53:17 PM

Lionel Mandrake: That's just throwing away the opportunity to enjoy years of defilement, humiliation, torture, and mutilation. The sound of tortured children screaming is music to an atheist's ears!


thanks for the feedback

so BronyMedic do you also share this viewpoint? or do you feel that abortion is somehow a humane way to prevent them from suffering?

i'm assuming you are pro-choice? correct me if i'm wrong
 
2012-12-05 02:53:24 PM
At first I thought the Church canceled it because someone complained, and didn't read that it would be a school function.

Still, one of the high schools around here did Godspell one year. Other schools have chorus concerts that incorporate religious music.

Considering that I took AP Exams in the Church at my School, the mere fact they are going to a Church isn't a legitimate complaint.

The School gave the parents the option to not have their Child go. This is a non-issue.

/ I do agree though- the derp on fox news would be huge if they were going to a mosque and not a Church

// (Do people take AP Exams in Mosques? I've never heard of such a thing, but I think it would only make sense if it were the closest building that could accept people)
 
2012-12-05 02:53:33 PM
Why is it that atheists around here are a bunch of pussies? A bunch of crying little girls. It is embarrassing.
 
2012-12-05 02:54:56 PM

Surool: chuckufarlie: Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.

No, because we have laws about this, and the kids' opinions don't change the laws.


what laws? This does not fall under separation of church and state.
 
2012-12-05 02:56:07 PM

chuckufarlie: what laws? This does not fall under separation of church and state.


Yes, it does.
 
2012-12-05 02:56:38 PM

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: nope. They are not governed by any government agencies. Get over it.

Here's the one for New York.


that is a government body that oversees the education process. They are not actually running the schools. They do not decide things like sending kids to see a cartoon.
 
2012-12-05 02:56:57 PM

skullkrusher: justtray: chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.

Here's a better solution.

Send your kids to catholic school, and leave out all religion out of public school, voluntary or otherwise.


Kids SHOULD learn about religion in public schools. They SHOULD experience cultural practices and beliefs to expand their understanding of the world and their neighbors. This SHOULD NOT be voluntary. This should be part of the curriculum. However, they SHOULD NOT be taught religion as a matter of faith.

Once again you're wrong. Incessantly, vociferously and arrogantly wrong.


Knowing about the existence of religion ≠ promoting it. However, sending the non-Christians to the cafeteria while the Christians get a cartoon isn't the solution... it is against the law and should be.
 
2012-12-05 02:58:08 PM
It's from FoxNews, you morons.
You've been trolled.
//I'm not outraged.
 
2012-12-05 02:58:13 PM

t3knomanser: Coco LaFemme: We're never going to be a secular society, completely devoid of religious worship.

This exists to protect believers, too. Does this school have no Jews? Muslims? Hindus? Is it right for the school to discriminate against them? Sure, it's an atheist organization that's doing the complaining, but by what right does the school marginalize religious believers that aren't Christian?


probably the same they they marginalize vegetarians by not also providing them with 900 calories of veggies for lunch.
 
2012-12-05 02:58:48 PM

had98c: Didn't you know? Us atheists are big fans of murdering innocent children. Well if you didn't already know that, now you know.


If it is done for food is it really murder??
 
2012-12-05 02:58:55 PM

chuckufarlie: that is a government body that oversees the education process. They are not actually running the schools. They do not decide things like sending kids to see a cartoon.


That's like saying that the DMV isn't a government agency because the government body that oversees the license-issuing process doesn't decide things like how people should stand in line at the office. It may in fact qualify as the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in writing.
 
2012-12-05 02:59:19 PM

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: what laws? This does not fall under separation of church and state.

Yes, it does.


What church are they supporting? Christianity is a religion, it is not a church.

We have twisted the original meaning of separation of Church and state in an effort to appease a bunch of whiny ass atheists who will never be satisfied until all religion is abolished.
 
2012-12-05 02:59:43 PM

chuckufarlie: Surool: chuckufarlie: Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.

No, because we have laws about this, and the kids' opinions don't change the laws.

what laws? This does not fall under separation of church and state.


It does when public school money busses kids to a church to watch a christian cartoon during school time. If you want your kids to go, schedule the showing of the cartoon for after school and take the kids there yourself.
 
2012-12-05 02:59:46 PM
ct.politicomments.com
 
2012-12-05 03:00:15 PM

I drunk what: Lionel Mandrake: That's just throwing away the opportunity to enjoy years of defilement, humiliation, torture, and mutilation. The sound of tortured children screaming is music to an atheist's ears!

thanks for the feedback

so BronyMedic do you also share this viewpoint? or do you feel that abortion is somehow a humane way to prevent them from suffering?

i'm assuming you are pro-choice? correct me if i'm wrong


Abortion is wrong. The fetus doesn't suffer enough. I prefer retroactive abortion, fourth or fifth trimester.
 
2012-12-05 03:01:48 PM

Surool: chuckufarlie: Surool: chuckufarlie: Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.

No, because we have laws about this, and the kids' opinions don't change the laws.

what laws? This does not fall under separation of church and state.

It does when public school money busses kids to a church to watch a christian cartoon during school time. If you want your kids to go, schedule the showing of the cartoon for after school and take the kids there yourself.


You aren't going to answer my question, are you? That's fine. I understand.
 
2012-12-05 03:02:15 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I drunk what: Lionel Mandrake: That's just throwing away the opportunity to enjoy years of defilement, humiliation, torture, and mutilation. The sound of tortured children screaming is music to an atheist's ears!

thanks for the feedback

so BronyMedic do you also share this viewpoint? or do you feel that abortion is somehow a humane way to prevent them from suffering?

i'm assuming you are pro-choice? correct me if i'm wrong

Abortion is wrong. The fetus doesn't suffer enough. I prefer retroactive abortion, fourth or fifth trimester.


Abortion is good and bad. It's good that a baby is dying but it's unfortunate that a woman is getting to have a choice.
/an oldie but a goodie
 
2012-12-05 03:02:25 PM

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: that is a government body that oversees the education process. They are not actually running the schools. They do not decide things like sending kids to see a cartoon.

That's like saying that the DMV isn't a government agency because the government body that oversees the license-issuing process doesn't decide things like how people should stand in line at the office. It may in fact qualify as the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in writing.


your statement is the most ridiculous that I have seen. The DMV is a government agency, run by the state. Schools are not government agencies. Can you show me something to proof that the state govt. agency does anything beyond overseeing the process. Can you show me that they run the schools? That is not how it works in the state where I live. Good Luck.
 
2012-12-05 03:02:27 PM

chuckufarlie: Why is it that atheists around here are a bunch of pussies? A bunch of crying little girls. It is embarrassing.


Indeed. I'm not religious, and would not raise my kids to believe any of that stuff (no Sunday School, etc.), but that isn't the same as insulating them from all mention of it. It's perfectly ok to say "this is what many people believe" -- just like one might explain Buddhism or the religion of Ancient Greece & Rome. In context, its there's nothing wrong with seeing a religiously-inspired work, even if you're an atheist.

This level of butt-hurt is like banning the Odyssey because "We're atheists and we don't believe in Zeus and Athena".
 
2012-12-05 03:03:02 PM

Surool: skullkrusher: justtray: chuckufarlie: Surool: skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?

No.

maybe they should sent the atheist kids to the cafeteria while the rest of the kids watch the program.

Here's a better solution.

Send your kids to catholic school, and leave out all religion out of public school, voluntary or otherwise.


Kids SHOULD learn about religion in public schools. They SHOULD experience cultural practices and beliefs to expand their understanding of the world and their neighbors. This SHOULD NOT be voluntary. This should be part of the curriculum. However, they SHOULD NOT be taught religion as a matter of faith.

Once again you're wrong. Incessantly, vociferously and arrogantly wrong.

Knowing about the existence of religion ≠ promoting it. However, sending the non-Christians to the cafeteria while the Christians get a cartoon isn't the solution... it is against the law and should be.


that's absurd but it was also suggested by chuckufarlie so it sort of had to be
 
2012-12-05 03:03:05 PM

itsfullofstars: [ct.politicomments.com image 460x476]


It's funny how so many Christians talk about the founding fathers being Christian (which is somewhat inaccurate to begin with) and forget that they wrote out statements that are very clear about keeping religion and Government separate.
 
2012-12-05 03:03:25 PM

chuckufarlie: What church are they supporting? Christianity is a religion, it is not a church.

We have twisted the original meaning of separation of Church and state in an effort to appease a bunch of whiny ass atheists who will never be satisfied until all religion is abolished.


This is trite red-herring nonsense that's either intentionally crafted to seem like ignorant equivocation, or is produced from such deep lack of understanding that any explanation would be useless to you.
 
2012-12-05 03:03:31 PM

susler: I didn't read the whole thread, it's pretty long.

Add mine to the voices which say why does a public school have to go to a church to see a live performance of CBC? If you want your kids to see it, take them yourself on the weekend or after school. Or you can all watch it together on TV as a family.

Going as a school trip is just wrong. It seems so obvious to me; I don't get why not everybody feels that way. It's not an issue whether you (or I) are personally offended or not. It's the exact same issue as a nativity scene on the courthouse grounds. Nobody is attacking Christmas or Christians by saying that you can put it on your church grounds or even your front yard just as easily.

Why this mania to put your religion in everyone's face? And why demonize people who feel that way?

Public school kids have no business going to such an overtly religous function while on the public school clock.


I said this earlier, but I want to repeat it. This might have been planned as just a fun outing. The school wasn't thinking " Hey, let indoctrinate all the kiddies to Christianity."

I don't see how this has become a whole debate on keeping religion out of school.
 
2012-12-05 03:03:50 PM

Surool: chuckufarlie: Surool: chuckufarlie: Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.

No, because we have laws about this, and the kids' opinions don't change the laws.

what laws? This does not fall under separation of church and state.

It does when public school money busses kids to a church to watch a christian cartoon during school time. If you want your kids to go, schedule the showing of the cartoon for after school and take the kids there yourself.


NO. NO. NO.

The school is not a government entity. CASE CLOSED.
 
2012-12-05 03:04:45 PM

chuckufarlie: your statement is the most ridiculous that I have seen. The DMV is a government agency, run by the state. Schools are not government agencies. Can you show me something to proof that the state govt. agency does anything beyond overseeing the process. Can you show me that they run the schools? That is not how it works in the state where I live. Good Luck.


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
 
2012-12-05 03:05:00 PM

Millennium: You know, in most circumstances like this, I've generally found myself saying that the atheists' position is not entirely reasonable, and I stick by that. But this was a public-school trip, it was held in a church, and it's A Charlie Brown Christmas: the most explicitly religious Christmas special still in regular American broadcast (having taken that spot over from The Little Drummer Boy). To make a school trip out of that is way beyond reasonable bounds.


did they also take the same kids to an organic farm or nature preserve to watch 'It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown' at the end of October, hosted by wiccans or pagans?
 
2012-12-05 03:05:04 PM

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: What church are they supporting? Christianity is a religion, it is not a church.

We have twisted the original meaning of separation of Church and state in an effort to appease a bunch of whiny ass atheists who will never be satisfied until all religion is abolished.

This is trite red-herring nonsense that's either intentionally crafted to seem like ignorant equivocation, or is produced from such deep lack of understanding that any explanation would be useless to you.


Do you even understand the original intent of the men who wrote the Constitution? I am guessing that you have no idea.
 
2012-12-05 03:05:39 PM

itsfullofstars: [ct.politicomments.com image 460x476]


Do you even understand the original intent of the men who wrote the Constitution?
 
2012-12-05 03:06:28 PM

chuckufarlie: Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.


Wow, that's really dumb.
 
2012-12-05 03:06:29 PM

chuckufarlie: Epicedion: chuckufarlie: Schools are not government institutions. They are not under that rule.

Yes, they are.

nope. They are not governed by any government agencies. Get over it.


I'm not sure what bit of semantics you're working here, but public schools are paid for by taxes from federal, state, and local governments. Further they are regulated (i.e. governed) by government agencies, like the U.S. Department of Education, state departments of Education, and local School Boards. How exactly are these not government institutions?
 
2012-12-05 03:06:34 PM

chuckufarlie: Surool: chuckufarlie: Surool: chuckufarlie: Maybe you should ask all of those kids of various religions if they want to watch the cartoon. I am pretty sure that nobody here speaks for them.

No, because we have laws about this, and the kids' opinions don't change the laws.

what laws? This does not fall under separation of church and state.

It does when public school money busses kids to a church to watch a christian cartoon during school time. If you want your kids to go, schedule the showing of the cartoon for after school and take the kids there yourself.

NO. NO. NO.

The school is not a government entity. CASE CLOSED.


Just curious where the money comes from that pays schoolteachers and administrators. Also, money for things like books, desks, the buildings they teach in. That money has to come from somewhere, yes?
 
2012-12-05 03:06:36 PM

skullkrusher: that's absurd but it was also suggested by chuckufarlie so it sort of had to be


Sorry, I was commenting on the whole exchange. I wasn't singling you out as the originator of that specific idea.
 
2012-12-05 03:06:41 PM

Epicedion: chuckufarlie: your statement is the most ridiculous that I have seen. The DMV is a government agency, run by the state. Schools are not government agencies. Can you show me something to proof that the state govt. agency does anything beyond overseeing the process. Can you show me that they run the schools? That is not how it works in the state where I live. Good Luck.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


When you cannot dazzle them with diamonds, baffle them with bullshiat!

And you seem to be full of it.
 
2012-12-05 03:07:44 PM

chuckufarlie: NO. NO. NO.

The school is not a government entity. CASE CLOSED.


You can deny it til your face turns blue, but you know you are so very wrong.
 
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