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2012-12-05 01:52:58 PM  

ordinarysteve: Joe Blowme: GregInIndy: I'm thinking 90%+ of Christians would completely lose their f-in' minds if their kid's school put together a "voluntary" field trip to a mosque to see a really fun play about Ramadan and how just awesome Muhammad & Allah is, showed them around the mosque, maybe let them check out how they pray & stuff.

Thats like taking them to a kkk rally, they openly preach death to lots of different people. You might have had a point if you stopped at the fun play about a murdering rapist pedo...er i mean Mohamed....

hahah so you slander the prophet of a billion people but get butthurt over a play getting cancelled? This is why sane people shake their heads at you and your ilk. Happy Holidays you waste of human potential!


If its all imaginary i did not slander anyone. Thanks for proving my point, Merry Christmas. Sorry you got all buthurt over what i said about MO, you must be really pissed about all the awful things i said about Adolph.
 
2012-12-05 01:52:59 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ordinarysteve: HindiDiscoMonster: ordinarysteve: Joe Blowme: GregInIndy: I'm thinking 90%+ of Christians would completely lose their f-in' minds if their kid's school put together a "voluntary" field trip to a mosque to see a really fun play about Ramadan and how just awesome Muhammad & Allah is, showed them around the mosque, maybe let them check out how they pray & stuff.

wait... was i supposed to have a point? I thought this was Fark... I do agree with you though about bureaucracies though... people in power will always twist things to fit their own agenda... human nature and all that.


haha sorry. I wasn't sure if you were trying to get at how Muslims have treated other religions like crap at different points of history....as every major religion has. And yup, that's why I am an agnostic who doesn't trust any religious texts...they are all wrote by people (lets face it...men) who had their own biases and personal baggage.
 
2012-12-05 01:53:09 PM  

doyner: SilentStrider: Agnostic here.
A Charlie Brown Christmas is one of the few times where I get to feel like a kid at Christmastime. Given that I'm in my 30's, I cherish this. Because those moments are few and far between.
So if anyone has a problem with Charlie Brown, and my love of it, I say to you this: SCREW YOU. I didn't RTFA.

FIFY


Blow me. My point stands.
 
2012-12-05 01:53:20 PM  

kerryclendenon: Sounds like derp on all sides. The War on Christmas, and Fox's War on the War on Christmas.


I think there are legitimate issues in the clash of interests between those celebrating religious holidays and those who would prefer more PC material. On the local level of some places, it sucks. But FOX News seriously overblows it to idiotic proportions as if Christmas will completely disappear this year. It's not really crying wolf, but crying that there is a giant army of thousands of wolves ready to flood down upon our livestock and children when really it's just a small pack.
 
2012-12-05 01:54:13 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: if you want a bigger copy, i can upload it and give you a link


no thanks

i'm good
 
2012-12-05 01:55:07 PM  

Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?


Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?
 
2012-12-05 01:55:45 PM  
Whatever your personal religion (or not), I'm sure we can all agree that organizing chaperones, taking teachers out of classrooms, paying bus drivers and buying diesel, and losing at least half a day of education just might *MIGHT* not be the best use of our taxpayer dollars and our childrens limited learning time.
 
2012-12-05 01:56:12 PM  

BronyMedic: REMEMBER THE REASON FOR THE SEASON, FOLKS!

[img214.imageshack.us image 648x484]


Dead Cats?
 
2012-12-05 01:56:48 PM  

Joe Blowme: Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: How to put a condom on a cucumber? CHECK
See Charlie Brown Xmas play? NOT

That actually makes a lot of sense. The condom on a cucumber is useful information whereas the Charlie brown christmas play and especially the christian messages contained in it isn't useful at all.

"...and on earth peace and goodwill towards men" yep, no use in that

Because all the stds spread by vegtables?

/Know how i know you dont have kids and never should?


What peace on earth might look like;

theblackboxspeaks.org

/hot
 
2012-12-05 01:57:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Remember when atheists forbade Christians from holding office?

Yeah, me either, but I keep hearing about how atheists are just as bad, so it must have happened somewhere.


I think you meant 'protestants' forbade 'Catholics' from holding office... because that did happen. and not all that long ago, either.
 
2012-12-05 01:58:30 PM  

Joe Blowme: ordinarysteve: Joe Blowme: GregInIndy: I'm thinking 90%+ of Christians would completely lose their f-in' minds if their kid's school put together a "voluntary" field trip to a mosque to see a really fun play about Ramadan and how just awesome Muhammad & Allah is, showed them around the mosque, maybe let them check out how they pray & stuff.

Thats like taking them to a kkk rally, they openly preach death to lots of different people. You might have had a point if you stopped at the fun play about a murdering rapist pedo...er i mean Mohamed....

hahah so you slander the prophet of a billion people but get butthurt over a play getting cancelled? This is why sane people shake their heads at you and your ilk. Happy Holidays you waste of human potential!

If its all imaginary i did not slander anyone. Thanks for proving my point, Merry Christmas. Sorry you got all buthurt over what i said about MO, you must be really pissed about all the awful things i said about Adolph.


It's a bit early in the day to be hitting the egg nog dude. Anyways, I assure you that I enjoy people taking the piss out of religions in an intelligent fashion. You on the other hand might want to consider taking part in the greatly increased suicide rate that occurs over the holidays. Seasons greeting and happy festivus!
 
2012-12-05 01:58:53 PM  

BronyMedic: hdhale: The cancellation came as the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers told television station KATV they had received legal advice on pursuing a possible lawsuit against the Little Rock School District.

The second most ironically named organization ever. The first and still the champion is the Committee of Public Safety, who during the French Revolution sent thousands of people to the guillotine.

If you are standing on your atheist soap box and refuse to allow a child to see "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown", it is my fondest hope that any children you have grow up to despise you, have you placed in a nursing home before your time because they decide you are "inconvenient", and that they be a bitter disappointment to you and refuse to visit you on Sundays because it's "church day".

/in other words, get the farking corn cob out of your ass...you should be so lucky to have kids that give a fark about people and put their friends before commercialism, whatever their belief in God, Jesus, or whatever holy spirit moves them

This has got to be the most pants-on-head retarded comment I've read on FARK. And that includes any link to American thinker.

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Really? Whole thread of people trying to argue others into their own world/religious view and THIS is the winner?

What kills me is the number of people here on BOTH sides that think they're going to convince someone to change their views. It's even funnier because once they see it's not working they give up and resort to outright insults...because that'll change their minds.

In arguments about Religion (or lack thereof) and politics...the only way to win is not to play.
 
2012-12-05 01:59:50 PM  

sethen320: This is where you overplayed it. Simply saying "I punched someone in the face once..." would have got the point across and sealed the deal. It was the overly long drawn out explanation where you made yourself a hero that was a bit distasteful. Try not to do that again while arguing on the internet.


Eh I felt that at least that much was needed. I could have added more details, he is a middle eastern exchange student living in a college town. He has never had alcohol before coming here, him + alcohol turned him into a huge dick to his gf so I stepped in. He yelled, "Where I comes from no one gets between two people in a relationship" and wanted to fight. One swing and his glasses got busted. He couldn't see, game over. It still doesn't mean he got his ass beat.
 
2012-12-05 02:00:16 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.

considering your performance in every thread, I am not surprised that you're surprised by unsurprising things. You are that simple.

that had a kind of symmetry to it... it was kind of beautiful.

thanks for quoting it so the simple minded coward could enjoy it as well

I aim to please.....

/You aim too please.


Haha, the irony is palpable.

I've been called a lot of things, but never coward or simple minded.

Deflection, Projection, and Hypocrisy, three pillars of conservatism.
 
2012-12-05 02:00:17 PM  

Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?


Wait, I think you are doing a little evading here. Nabb1 asked if it would be okay to visit a church for non-religious reasons, like a history lesson, or visiting old works of art.
 
2012-12-05 02:01:12 PM  
Dear christians,

Just as the actions of James Charles Kopp do not represent all christians, the actions of certain atheists do not represent all atheists.


Regards,
Mock26.
 
2012-12-05 02:01:19 PM  

justtray: mizchief: justtray: mizchief: justtray: mizchief: justtray: mizchief: Further proof that Atheism is a religion. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You cannot prove that god does not exist, but you base your belief on lack of evidence and fill the gap with faith.

The truly scientifically minded people don't make that leap of faith in either direction and simply live their lives based on facts and reason.

The most logical religion in my opinion is Christianity. All you have to do is say one prayer then you can pretty much do whatever you want and still get into heaven if such a place does actually exist.

That's not how the burden of proof works, moron. Prove to me Santa Claus isn't real. Since you can't you have to give equal credance to the possibility he is.

See how stupid you are yet?

you mad bro? getting angry because someone has a different idea sure does sound like a religion to me. Almost like those fools that get pissed off over a simple cartoon.....

My point stands. Funny when presented with logic you can't respond and instead recoil.

I never said anything about different ideas, I simply stated why you have a non logical belief based in fact, and supported it with a believe that shows your lack of logical consistency within your own views. And you couldn't even address it. Says a lot about your mental capacity.

It's perfectly logical. Why risk all this supposed eternal hell fire when i can say one sentence and move on with my life? I don't go to church. I don't waste time in prayer. I do celebrate xmas with my family because I feel it's more productive to play along and enjoy my loved ones vs. spending hours over fruitless arguments.

I didn't address your Santa Clause example because I already explained my viewpoint on filling the gaps with faith. I don't "believe" in anything. There is no reason to believe. I can't prove Santa doesn't exists, but I can prove that a specific child's presents didn't come from a fat guy in a red suit t ...


Wasn't that argument in a movie?
 
2012-12-05 02:02:22 PM  

Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?


No, but you said "for any reason." There may be many valid reasons apart from religion to see a church (or place of worship of any number of faiths) - history, art, architecture. Don't get mad at me because you made a really broad statement. I'm not even particularly religious.
 
2012-12-05 02:03:15 PM  

Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: How to put a condom on a cucumber? CHECK
See Charlie Brown Xmas play? NOT

That actually makes a lot of sense. The condom on a cucumber is useful information whereas the Charlie brown christmas play and especially the christian messages contained in it isn't useful at all.

"...and on earth peace and goodwill towards men" yep, no use in that

Because all the stds spread by vegtables?

/Know how i know you dont have kids and never should?

What peace on earth might look like;

[theblackboxspeaks.org image 315x373]

/hot


Crusades? Seriously? The christains trying to take back that what was conquered by muslims? Thats the best you... sorry, forgot this was Fark for a sec... carry on
 
2012-12-05 02:03:20 PM  
I demand that these self-proclaimed "Atheists" be relabeled as "Anti-theists."

/ These "atheists" make me look like a D-bag through association as I am an atheist.
// I am already a D-bag, especially on the intarwebs. I don't need the help.
 
2012-12-05 02:04:08 PM  

BronyMedic: REMEMBER THE REASON FOR THE SEASON, FOLKS!

[img214.imageshack.us image 648x484]


lulz dead babies are hilarious, those silly militant xians trying to ruin everyone's fun
 
2012-12-05 02:04:26 PM  

Chief_ Danz153A: I demand that these self-proclaimed "Atheists" be relabeled as "Anti-theists."


Why?
 
2012-12-05 02:05:48 PM  

ordinarysteve: Joe Blowme: ordinarysteve: Joe Blowme: GregInIndy: I'm thinking 90%+ of Christians would completely lose their f-in' minds if their kid's school put together a "voluntary" field trip to a mosque to see a really fun play about Ramadan and how just awesome Muhammad & Allah is, showed them around the mosque, maybe let them check out how they pray & stuff.

Thats like taking them to a kkk rally, they openly preach death to lots of different people. You might have had a point if you stopped at the fun play about a murdering rapist pedo...er i mean Mohamed....

hahah so you slander the prophet of a billion people but get butthurt over a play getting cancelled? This is why sane people shake their heads at you and your ilk. Happy Holidays you waste of human potential!

If its all imaginary i did not slander anyone. Thanks for proving my point, Merry Christmas. Sorry you got all buthurt over what i said about MO, you must be really pissed about all the awful things i said about Adolph.

It's a bit early in the day to be hitting the egg nog dude. Anyways, I assure you that I enjoy people taking the piss out of religions in an intelligent fashion. You on the other hand might want to consider taking part in the greatly increased suicide rate that occurs over the holidays. Seasons greeting and happy festivus!


You could have just said i was a doo doo head and you hate facts.
 
2012-12-05 02:06:00 PM  

skullkrusher: justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.

considering your performance in every thread, I am not surprised that you're surprised by unsurprising things. You are that simple.


I have skullkrusher in green.
 
2012-12-05 02:06:08 PM  

that bosnian sniper: lordjupiter: that bosnian sniper: lordjupiter: Soon, Xtianity will fully lose out to capitalism, which has already been linked via this holiday and selective biblical interpretations (as well as anti-commie hysteria).

Are you suggesting it already hasn't by way of prosperity theology?

Are you suggesting that "soon" and "fully" and "has already been linked" aren't words?

No, merely that your use of those words in this particular context aren't accurate.


Well, you would be wrong if you think PF has FULLY taken over all of Xtianity. Nitpick fail.
 
2012-12-05 02:06:39 PM  

Joe Blowme: Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: How to put a condom on a cucumber? CHECK
See Charlie Brown Xmas play? NOT

That actually makes a lot of sense. The condom on a cucumber is useful information whereas the Charlie brown christmas play and especially the christian messages contained in it isn't useful at all.

"...and on earth peace and goodwill towards men" yep, no use in that

Because all the stds spread by vegtables?

/Know how i know you dont have kids and never should?

What peace on earth might look like;

[theblackboxspeaks.org image 315x373]

/hot

Crusades? Seriously? The christains trying to take back that what was conquered by muslims? Thats the best you... sorry, forgot this was Fark for a sec... carry on


I figured I was arguing at your level. Your hargument that putting condoms on cucumbers was teaching kids that STDs comes from vegetables seemed to indicate that you are mentally handicapped.
 
2012-12-05 02:08:27 PM  

lordjupiter: that bosnian sniper: lordjupiter: that bosnian sniper: lordjupiter: Soon, Xtianity will fully lose out to capitalism, which has already been linked via this holiday and selective biblical interpretations (as well as anti-commie hysteria).

Are you suggesting it already hasn't by way of prosperity theology?

Are you suggesting that "soon" and "fully" and "has already been linked" aren't words?

No, merely that your use of those words in this particular context aren't accurate.

Well, you would be wrong if you think PF has FULLY taken over all of Xtianity. Nitpick fail.




I mean, jesus farking christ, the entire thread is about a show/play that disproves you, and involves the common complaint about the "true meaning" of Xmas.

derpy bells
derpy bells
it's derpy time
in farkistan
 
2012-12-05 02:09:24 PM  

Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: Egoy3k: Joe Blowme: How to put a condom on a cucumber? CHECK
See Charlie Brown Xmas play? NOT

That actually makes a lot of sense. The condom on a cucumber is useful information whereas the Charlie brown christmas play and especially the christian messages contained in it isn't useful at all.

"...and on earth peace and goodwill towards men" yep, no use in that

Because all the stds spread by vegtables?

/Know how i know you dont have kids and never should?

What peace on earth might look like;

[theblackboxspeaks.org image 315x373]

/hot

Crusades? Seriously? The christains trying to take back that what was conquered by muslims? Thats the best you... sorry, forgot this was Fark for a sec... carry on

I figured I was arguing at your level. Your hargument that putting condoms on cucumbers was teaching kids that STDs comes from vegetables seemed to indicate that you are mentally handicapped.


And you not knowing what a ? means is proof you are a retard
 
2012-12-05 02:09:37 PM  

xanadian: BronyMedic: REMEMBER THE REASON FOR THE SEASON, FOLKS!

[img214.imageshack.us image 648x484]

Dead babby box on a piano always gets a chuckle out of me. But, that's only because I'm an asshole.


Is that what that thing is? Now I know. Where did that pic come from?
 
2012-12-05 02:10:16 PM  
News Flash: People found living in remote corner of planet who still give a shiat about Charlie Brown.
 
2012-12-05 02:11:58 PM  
It's that time of year again...when Fox "News" delves deep, deep, DEEP into local news for any shred of something to become indignant about.

Because that's what Christmas is all about.

Outrage over alleged outrage.
 
2012-12-05 02:13:01 PM  

Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?

No, but you said "for any reason." There may be many valid reasons apart from religion to see a church (or place of worship of any number of faiths) - history, art, architecture. Don't get mad at me because you made a really broad statement. I'm not even particularly religious.


Oh f*ck off with your juvenile parsing. If you want your religion to be respected, you should respect the beliefs of others.
 
2012-12-05 02:13:09 PM  

justtray: I've been called a lot of things, but never coward or simple minded.


what about scaredy-cat poopoohead?

just lemme know when I hit on the right choice of words.
 
2012-12-05 02:18:13 PM  

Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?

No, but you said "for any reason." There may be many valid reasons apart from religion to see a church (or place of worship of any number of faiths) - history, art, architecture. Don't get mad at me because you made a really broad statement. I'm not even particularly religious.

Oh f*ck off with your juvenile parsing. If you want your religion to be respected, you should respect the beliefs of others.


My, aren't we charming? Why can't you answer a simple question? I don't think I was parsing. I was asking you to elaborate. You said you would not allow a school to take your child to a church "for any reason" and I responded by asking if you thought history or art or architecture - wholly non-religious interests - would be an acceptable purpose for such a trip. How have I disrespected anyone's beliefs? Have I accused you of disrespecting any of my beliefs (which would be kind of hard since even I haven't ever really pinned them down myself)?
 
2012-12-05 02:20:47 PM  

Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?

No, but you said "for any reason." There may be many valid reasons apart from religion to see a church (or place of worship of any number of faiths) - history, art, architecture. Don't get mad at me because you made a really broad statement. I'm not even particularly religious.

Oh f*ck off with your juvenile parsing. If you want your religion to be respected, you should respect the beliefs of others.

My, aren't we charming? Why can't you answer a simple question? I don't think I was parsing. I was asking you to elaborate. You said you would not allow a school to take your child to a church "for any reason" and I responded by asking if you thought history or art or architecture - wholly non-religious interests - would be an acceptable purpose for such a trip. How have I disrespected anyone's beliefs? Have I accused you of disrespecting any of my beliefs (which would be kind of hard since even I haven't ever really pinned them down myself)?


I don't need to elaborate or explain anything beyond the fact I don't want religion in my schools, and that schools shouldn't take kids to church so they can promote religion.
 
2012-12-05 02:20:55 PM  

lordjupiter: Well, you would be wrong if you think PF has FULLY taken over all of Xtianity. Nitpick fail.


It's not my problem if you can't tell a difference between words and consequence. To listen to Christians, one would assume prosperity theology to be only a fringe belief practiced by a stark minority of Christians which has been long-disavowed by mainstream Christianity.

Yet, here we are.
 
2012-12-05 02:22:36 PM  

manimal2878: Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.

Why not? I'm an athiest, but I would have no problem with my kid going on a field trip to observe the customs or holiday traditions of a religious group, if it was presented as an educational opportunity and not a chance to preach at them.


Hmm, I forgot to put a disclaimer about religious studies classes. But lets face it. CBC is about a bunch of kids putting on a Nativity scene (religion). Then one of the kids gets all preachy and recites directly from the gospels (religion). This is being hosted by a church (religion). I would wager that the church throws in their own extra dash of religiosity into the play.
 
2012-12-05 02:23:01 PM  

Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?

No, but you said "for any reason." There may be many valid reasons apart from religion to see a church (or place of worship of any number of faiths) - history, art, architecture. Don't get mad at me because you made a really broad statement. I'm not even particularly religious.

Oh f*ck off with your juvenile parsing. If you want your religion to be respected, you should respect the beliefs of others.

My, aren't we charming? Why can't you answer a simple question? I don't think I was parsing. I was asking you to elaborate. You said you would not allow a school to take your child to a church "for any reason" and I responded by asking if you thought history or art or architecture - wholly non-religious interests - would be an acceptable purpose for such a trip. How have I disrespected anyone's beliefs? Have I accused you of disrespecting any of my beliefs (which would be kind of hard since even I haven't ever really pinned them down myself)?

I don't need to elaborate or explain anything beyond the fact I don't want religion in my schools, and that schools shouldn't take kids to church so they can promote religion.


but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?
 
2012-12-05 02:23:05 PM  
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2012-12-05 02:23:07 PM  

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


It was VOLUNTARY!!! They didn't have to phukking go if they didn't want to. But the hardnosed parents of a few children phukked it up for all the rest. Way to go atheists!
Whiney a$$3d biatch3s.
 
2012-12-05 02:23:24 PM  

Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: Nabb1: Surool: As an atheist I am all for kids (including my kid) watching the Peanuts Christmas Special. I am very against her school taking her to a church for any reason.

Any reason? Even historical significance? What if her school went to London and Westminster Abbey was on the schedule? What if they went to Rome and were going to the Sistine Chapel to see the works of Michelangelo? What about the Old North Church in Boston?

Taking her to a Christian Church to promote Christian beliefs is off the table. Is that too hard to understand? Would you be okay if the school kids went to an auditorium where they were told there is no god, or that the one true God was Allah?

No, but you said "for any reason." There may be many valid reasons apart from religion to see a church (or place of worship of any number of faiths) - history, art, architecture. Don't get mad at me because you made a really broad statement. I'm not even particularly religious.

Oh f*ck off with your juvenile parsing. If you want your religion to be respected, you should respect the beliefs of others.

My, aren't we charming? Why can't you answer a simple question? I don't think I was parsing. I was asking you to elaborate. You said you would not allow a school to take your child to a church "for any reason" and I responded by asking if you thought history or art or architecture - wholly non-religious interests - would be an acceptable purpose for such a trip. How have I disrespected anyone's beliefs? Have I accused you of disrespecting any of my beliefs (which would be kind of hard since even I haven't ever really pinned them down myself)?

I don't need to elaborate or explain anything beyond the fact I don't want religion in my schools, and that schools shouldn't take kids to church so they can promote religion.


I don't think schools should promote religion, either, but I certainly wouldn't have a problem with anyone taking my kids to see a church or synagogue or mosque if the purpose was non-religious. You haven't answered that question. Intellectual curiosity doesn't necessarily mean religious indoctrination, after all.
 
2012-12-05 02:23:25 PM  

that bosnian sniper: lordjupiter: Well, you would be wrong if you think PF has FULLY taken over all of Xtianity. Nitpick fail.

It's not my problem if you can't tell a difference between words and consequence. To listen to Christians, one would assume prosperity theology to be only a fringe belief practiced by a stark minority of Christians which has been long-disavowed by mainstream Christianity.

Yet, here we are.



Irony. U has it.
 
2012-12-05 02:23:35 PM  

Mock26: Just as the actions of James Charles Kopp do not represent all christians, the actions of certain atheists do not represent all atheists.


Yeah, god forbid we damned dirty atheists insist on respecting and honoring the rule of law, and fostering in kids that same trait. It's not as if bussing a bunch of schoolkids during school hours on the school's, and therefore taxpayer's dime, to a Christian church to be proselytized to is against the law or anything.
 
2012-12-05 02:24:30 PM  
You know, in most circumstances like this, I've generally found myself saying that the atheists' position is not entirely reasonable, and I stick by that. But this was a public-school trip, it was held in a church, and it's A Charlie Brown Christmas: the most explicitly religious Christmas special still in regular American broadcast (having taken that spot over from The Little Drummer Boy). To make a school trip out of that is way beyond reasonable bounds.
 
2012-12-05 02:25:20 PM  

JackieRabbit: I should be in the kitchen: Please knock it off, fellow atheists, it's hard enough being openly atheist in this country without giving religious types more fodder to attack us with.

I agree with your request, but why do you feel you need to be "openly atheist?" I'm agnostic and if someone tries to engage me with something along the lines of "where do you go to church?," I simply say, "I'm sorry, but I don't discuss religion." This works for the mainstreamers. Some born-againers will start to "witness" and I just tell them I am not interested. I don't care if this offends them. Really, it's not worth the wasted effort to do otherwise. Religious belief or the lack thereof should be a very personal matter that is not discussed with strangers.


I don't make a point of telling people I'm an atheist, but I won't lie if asked either. I used to, or change the subject but I dunno... It began to feel like I was hiding that part of who I am for fear of offending people. And I realized I'm not ashamed of who I am, so why hide it? If someone gets offended and tries to "witness" at me, that says a lot about their insecurity.
 
2012-12-05 02:25:42 PM  

BackwardsHatClub: Teknowaffle: minoridiot: Aren't field trips optional?

Doesn't matter. As soon as you put kids whose parents opted to have them put on a bus paid for by tax dollars, chaperone by teachers paid by tax dollars, and the kids are counted as present on a school day, and thus get federal funds, you are violating the first amendment.

Unless this is somehow establishing a state religion, no, no you're not. I went to public school and we made dradels and had a field trip to a synagogue around Hannukah along with the Christmas stuff. No one converted. It was educational and interesting. Denying these children an opportunity because a religious group hosts it makes no sense unless we are going to deny every group. Everyone has some sort of agenda, part of growing up is hearing all sides then making up your own mind.


It is a play that is about a religious holiday featuring direct quotations from the bible, hosted at a church. They sure are coming close to establishing a religion by giving ZERO time to other religions. A public school going to a christian church to show them religious dogma using state and federal funds is coming damn close to establish it.
 
2012-12-05 02:26:13 PM  

chewielouie: What a miserable existence it must be, to be an atheist . . . so sure and smugly confident in your beliefs, that you still cry and complain you are being excluded or ostracized by something like 'A Charlie Brown Christmas.' Where is the moaning about not having to work on December 25?


Were you replying to someone specific or just to atheists in general? My only concern here is the separation of church and state. The government should not promote any religion. Now that's not the same at all as denying or outlawing any religion or religions. Here it means that the school shouldn't use public funds to bus children to a church sponsored, pseudo-religious event. Doesn't matter what church. It wouldn't be right even if they asked every child what their religion was and crafted a personal, religious field trip for each one. US governments are not to be in the business of religion. That's what churches are for.
 
2012-12-05 02:27:24 PM  

skullkrusher: but showing the Charlie Brown special in a classroom would be ok?


No.
 
2012-12-05 02:27:45 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Mock26: Just as the actions of James Charles Kopp do not represent all christians, the actions of certain atheists do not represent all atheists.

Yeah, god forbid we damned dirty atheists insist on respecting and honoring the rule of law, and fostering in kids that same trait. It's not as if bussing a bunch of schoolkids during school hours on the school's, and therefore taxpayer's dime, to a Christian church to be proselytized to is against the law or anything.


the parents of those children going to Christian schools also paid taxes to support the public schools. If you do the math and figure what it costs to teach a child per year and compare that to what is spent out to bus those children to the Christian School, you will see that the school system is getting off light.
 
2012-12-05 02:28:14 PM  

sethen320: skullkrusher: justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.

considering your performance in every thread, I am not surprised that you're surprised by unsurprising things. You are that simple.

I have skullkrusher in green.


I've got him in cyan. Love me some skullkrusher.
 
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