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2012-12-05 12:44:08 PM  
How to put a condom on a cucumber? CHECK
See Charlie Brown Xmas play? NOT
 
2012-12-05 12:44:34 PM  

Epicedion: Recap for those not paying attention

Apparently the rights to put on a live performance of this particular play don't exist (as the play, in any official way, does not exist), per the Peanuts website, under "Special Requests." That means the church (or anyone) putting on the performance would be a huge copyright violation, and fines for that sort of thing are pretty severe.

I'm rather interested in what's going to happen now that this little church show has gotten some national attention.


Given how sue happy the comic strip rights holders typically are, they probably have a letter in the mail to this church.
 
2012-12-05 12:45:53 PM  
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Coco LaFemme: citoriman: Coco LaFemme: citoriman: Coco LaFemme: IAmRight: The My Little Pony Killer: Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?

Because it's a play, not the movie? Because the church has a large auditorium with seating, and perhaps the school's auditorium is in use by students from another grade?
A lot of you seem to feel like churches are evil scary places, which is really odd, if you really don't believe in any of these higher powers. They're just buildings and they often have better facilities for public shows (since they have them at least every week) than most other secular buildings.

My sister went to a public high school. Her graduation ceremony was held at a local church for precisely that reason. It was larger than the school's gymnasium and could hold more bodies, since over 1000 students were graduating and that many guests would be crammed out on the street. The class valedictorian was Jewish, and her parents sat in front of my parents, and I didn't hear them complaining that their Jewish daughter was giving a speech about not slacking off in college while standing in a Baptist church.

Well, if you didn't hear her parents complain while sitting next to them during the ceremony, then clearly they were stoked. Case closed folks, nothing to see here.

I would think, and that's because this is a common sense thing here, I would think that if they had a problem with the graduation ceremony being held in a church different from their own religious beliefs, they wouldn't have let her go. I mean, I'm just guessing out loud here. If you're the kind of person to get offended by something like that, you're also the kind of person who would tell your child they're not going.

Because parents would NEVER swallow their pride to allow their daughter to serve as valedictorian. Do I really need to spell this out for you?

In the South, people take religion very seriously. You'd be surprised the number of times I've heard of it happening. Not all parents would be willing to swallow their pride. That said, my family knew this girl's family really well, so they didn't actually have a problem with it. Now, at my H. S. graduation, our valedictorian didn't give her speech because it was held in a Catholic church. The salutatorian read the speech after reading their own. Her parents wanted to know why graduation couldn't be held in the school gym, and when the principal told her it wasn't big enough to fit all the graduates, their guests, and the school's administration, they weren't satisfied with that answer and didn't let her walk. She still got her diploma, but she missed the dean of students falling on their ass during the processional. ...


Honestly, I think you are just making this all up. First, you said you would know how her parents felt because your parents sat behind hers at the ceremony. Now you say that your family "knew her family really well". Why wouldn't you open with that? Because you are a straight up LIAR.
 
2012-12-05 12:45:57 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: manimal2878: I'm an athiest, but I would have no problem with my kid going on a field trip to observe the customs or holiday traditions of a religious group, if it was presented as an educational opportunity and not a chance to preach at them.

So at what point is Merry Christmas Charlie Brown educational in any way?


I was responding to a post that claimed there was no reason ever to have a field trip to a place of religion, charlie brown is irrelevant.
 
2012-12-05 12:46:09 PM  

Joe Blowme: So when will they repeal it as a national holiday?


It already is for just about everyone in retail. National holidays in the US are a freaking joke. There is no law requiring that they be observed by employers.
 
2012-12-05 12:46:14 PM  
For the rest of this month I'll be able to see (not hear), on the LEDs embedded in the walls of the tunnel leading from Engineering to the main lobby...

Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (Bumbles BOUNCE)
Santa Claus is Coming to Town (Burgermeister Meisterburger FTW)
Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (good grief)

\think of the roof display in the movie Deck the Halls
\\same lights
 
2012-12-05 12:46:38 PM  

BronyMedic: Coco LaFemme: justtray: Coco LaFemme: justtray: Coco LaFemme: IAmRight: justtray: I even listed an example in my reply to make it more clear for you, yet you willfully ignore it and still can't comprehend. Typical bad troll.

I like that you're so supportive of other religions that you claim the Muslim alternative to "A Charlie Brown Christmas" would be that Charlie Brown becomes a terrorist.

Why do you think I didn't dignify that crap with a response?

Because you couldn't without being a hypocrite. Terrorist is subjective, especially in today's day and age. The idea was that you learn how Charlie brown becomes infatuated with the teachings of Allah, regardless of the purpose. Interchange terrorist with any other word you want, the meaning is still the same, and it still shows the blatant hypocrisy, and like I said, dogma, of those supporting this field trip, regardless of if it's voluntary or not.

You would not be okay with this being done in a Mosque, nor if being about any other religion other than Christianity, so you are a hypocrite if you support it. Period.

Prove that.

Easy. Using the same source material as the one for this thread.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/22/supporters-opponents-ground-zero - mosque-hold-dueling-rallies/

Now admit you were wrong or go away, I don't care which you choose, but at least have some shame.

You didn't answer my request. I want you to prove to me, with my own words used in this thread, where I said I would not be okay with this being held in a mosque or some other religious structure. You said that I would not be okay with that, and I want you to prove it. People opposing a mosque near Ground Zero has nothing to do with this thread, the subject of this thread, or anything that I said since you're personally challenging me.

Do it or shut the fark up.

You're asking people to prove the unprovable. Because, quite frankly, this is the internet. You can do one thing, and say another. I highly doubt that, even if you ...


I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.
 
2012-12-05 12:49:58 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.


Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.
 
2012-12-05 12:50:48 PM  

citoriman: FCoco LaFemme: citoriman: Coco LaFemme: citoriman: Coco LaFemme: IAmRight: The My Little Pony Killer: Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?

Because it's a play, not the movie? Because the church has a large auditorium with seating, and perhaps the school's auditorium is in use by students from another grade?
A lot of you seem to feel like churches are evil scary places, which is really odd, if you really don't believe in any of these higher powers. They're just buildings and they often have better facilities for public shows (since they have them at least every week) than most other secular buildings.

My sister went to a public high school. Her graduation ceremony was held at a local church for precisely that reason. It was larger than the school's gymnasium and could hold more bodies, since over 1000 students were graduating and that many guests would be crammed out on the street. The class valedictorian was Jewish, and her parents sat in front of my parents, and I didn't hear them complaining that their Jewish daughter was giving a speech about not slacking off in college while standing in a Baptist church.

Well, if you didn't hear her parents complain while sitting next to them during the ceremony, then clearly they were stoked. Case closed folks, nothing to see here.

I would think, and that's because this is a common sense thing here, I would think that if they had a problem with the graduation ceremony being held in a church different from their own religious beliefs, they wouldn't have let her go. I mean, I'm just guessing out loud here. If you're the kind of person to get offended by something like that, you're also the kind of person who would tell your child they're not going.

Because parents would NEVER swallow their pride to allow their daughter to serve as valedictorian. Do I really need to spell this out for you?

In the South, people take religion very seriously. You'd be ...


think about it logically - why would she need to lie to counter your point that the 1st amendment precludes a public school from using a facility for an event if that facility is a place of worship?
 
2012-12-05 12:51:28 PM  

BronyMedic: Coco LaFemme: justtray: Coco LaFemme: justtray: Coco LaFemme: IAmRight: justtray: I even listed an example in my reply to make it more clear for you, yet you willfully ignore it and still can't comprehend. Typical bad troll.

I like that you're so supportive of other religions that you claim the Muslim alternative to "A Charlie Brown Christmas" would be that Charlie Brown becomes a terrorist.

Why do you think I didn't dignify that crap with a response?

Because you couldn't without being a hypocrite. Terrorist is subjective, especially in today's day and age. The idea was that you learn how Charlie brown becomes infatuated with the teachings of Allah, regardless of the purpose. Interchange terrorist with any other word you want, the meaning is still the same, and it still shows the blatant hypocrisy, and like I said, dogma, of those supporting this field trip, regardless of if it's voluntary or not.

You would not be okay with this being done in a Mosque, nor if being about any other religion other than Christianity, so you are a hypocrite if you support it. Period.

Prove that.

Easy. Using the same source material as the one for this thread.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/22/supporters-opponents-ground-zero - mosque-hold-dueling-rallies/

Now admit you were wrong or go away, I don't care which you choose, but at least have some shame.

You didn't answer my request. I want you to prove to me, with my own words used in this thread, where I said I would not be okay with this being held in a mosque or some other religious structure. You said that I would not be okay with that, and I want you to prove it. People opposing a mosque near Ground Zero has nothing to do with this thread, the subject of this thread, or anything that I said since you're personally challenging me.

Do it or shut the fark up.

You're asking people to prove the unprovable. Because, quite frankly, this is the internet. You can do one thing, and say another. I highly doubt that, even if you wo ...


Yeah, I'd just like to add that I'm using the royal "you" in those instances. He's just butthurt that his viewpoint is wrong, and proven wrong.

Ignore bin +1 moron.

Anyway, thanks for the assist.
 
2012-12-05 12:51:38 PM  

DaSwankOne: sethen320: I believe the saying is "turn the other cheek".

I would not expect you to understand this because you are a hater, but actually the "turn the other cheek" phrase has been misinterpreted. The real meaning is more in line with the concept of not seeking vengeance rather than allowing oneself to be abused.


Hater? Wtf are you talking about?
 
2012-12-05 12:51:45 PM  

skullkrusher: GregInIndy: Sure, it's voluntary. Voluntary in the sense that if you don't sign the permission slip your kid gets separated from her classmates to sit & do dull bookwork all day in detention-like conditions while their friends go on the bus & see a fun show and you as a parent are the bad guy.

well, you would be the bad guy by preventing your kids from seeing a live action rendition of a show you love merely because it is being performed in a church.
The show itself quotes the Bible. It talks about the birth of Jesus Christ as the important thing to the Christmas season. The fact that you're cool with your kids hearing that but not if it happens in a church is mind boggling.


It only boggles if you don't think context, authority, location, or who's doing the presenting or speaking matters at all.

Moreover, I'd disagree with you on the content. It quotes a bible passage about Christ's birth, which is fine, but there's an entire message about the problems of commercialism and crassness vs. caring and goodwill for all that I like a lot, and that completely bypasses Linus's speech near the end.

What I don't want is for a church to use the school's authority over the kids to put forth any of their beliefs as objective truth. If it were a play at a playhouse of the same material it would be in a completely different context. Context and intent matter whether you like it or not.
 
2012-12-05 12:51:48 PM  
I never said that I thought god exists. By missing my point, your helping to prove it. I said something that really only slightly challenged your beliefs, then you go off on me about how stupid I am and all this nonsense which is exactly what I would expect from a hardcore christian or Muslim or any other religious person.

I think the the real problem with religion is the intolerance of others and the hatred expressed against them, and most of the so-called atheist I've interacted with display these same negative traits. So from my viewpoint atheism is just another flavor of belief.

While I do think that atheism does a much better job presenting rational for their belief that there is no god, it's still making, although much smaller, a leap of faith.

I'm a very practical person. I'm not going to waste my day off hearing about stories from 2000 years ago, but if saying one sentence out loud grants me passage into eternal paradise of whatever, then why not? I understand statistics and know that i'm very unlikely to hit the jackpot in the lottery, but i'll buy a ticket every now and then. Brings me a moment of hope and joy without much effort. Doesn't mean i'm going to blow my whole check every week on scratch offs.
 
2012-12-05 12:51:49 PM  

Coco LaFemme: and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread


You actually moved the goalposts there, not that it matters much. I suggest both of you drop the back-and-forth on the who-said-what. The point that stands is that most people in the US are very comfortable with Christianity and let them get away with stuff that seems jarring or offensive when done by another, less-familiar group.
 
2012-12-05 12:52:06 PM  

kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.


she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on
 
2012-12-05 12:52:39 PM  

DaSwankOne: Tenatra: Why didn't you say someone should give me an ass beating?

Because it is synonymous you farking retard.


An ass beating is not synonymous with one punch to the face. It is synonymous with losing horribly in competition with another person or team. It is synonymous with getting pounded into the ground. I'll have you know that you are arguing with a retard though, I won't pass judgement on your decisions to keep arguing with me, if you so choose to continue.
 
2012-12-05 12:55:46 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Madbassist1: The My Little Pony Killer: Madbassist1: My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.

That I'm assuming was performed at your school, and not say, a church, correct?

Congratulations, you've come THISCLOSE to actually touching upon the issue people might possibly have with the scenario from TFA.

my...you're quite the asshole, aren't ya? Moan all you want, my point was I'm pretty damn sure the same people would throw the same fit over the same farking thing, dickhead.

I'm not an asshole, I'm just somebody who actually read TFA and is commenting on such. If you don't have a counter to my points, that's fine, but going straight to namecalling only tells me how butthurt you are that I touched upon the little details that you chose to leave out completely.


Why would I have a counter to your 'points' I don't know what they are. I didnt read your farking post, all I did was comment that my school put on this show as a play when I was in elementary school, and because you just couldnt wait to snark, I had to clarify my unspoken point because you are too stupid to grasp it. Point being, that militant atheists would probably have a cow if my school had done the same thing today.

Then you have the balls to come back with "when you assume..."? You're out of your farking mind, dumbass. It was a one sentance opinion and you just couldnt wait to snark on it...because...wait for it...someone posted who didnt read the farking article?

[welcome to fark.jpg]

And yes...you certainly are acting like an asshole.
 
2012-12-05 12:55:52 PM  

Rincewind53: Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig

I really hate that, because the first part gets all of those old gods wrong, based off that stupid "Christianity is just a copy of old religions" image that's been circling the internet for a while.

Hercules was not a god.
There is no evidence that Horus was born anywhere near December 25th
Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing
Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.

Literally every part of that list of gods "born" during Saturnalia is wrong.


and let's not forget that christian's didn't hijack this holiday. people that were FORCED into christianity merged the christian bleliefs into their own so they could still pay homage to their gods while tricking the priests that they were believers.
 
2012-12-05 12:56:30 PM  
I'm as atheist as they come, but I'm not "outraged" by people celebrating Christmas ... a little annoyed by how unavoidable it all is, but not outraged.

I just wish I could say, "I don't really celebrate Christmas," without the Scrooge cracks and the assumption I had a sh*tty childhood or something. One of the most obnoxious things anyone can say is, "You don't like _____!? What's wrong with you?"

Nothing, I'm fine. Go have a good time. Whatever makes you happy. Just please stop spraying me with your Christmas cheer.

That said, I do really love Vince Guaraldi's music for that special.
 
2012-12-05 12:56:33 PM  

skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on


Which brings this to mind...

rationalwiki.org
 
2012-12-05 12:56:35 PM  

GregInIndy: It only boggles if you don't think context, authority, location, or who's doing the presenting or speaking matters at all.


would hearing a church choir sing holiday classics be an issue?

GregInIndy: Moreover, I'd disagree with you on the content. It quotes a bible passage about Christ's birth, which is fine, but there's an entire message about the problems of commercialism and crassness vs. caring and goodwill for all that I like a lot, and that completely bypasses Linus's speech near the end.


a secular aspect does not eliminate the point. The point is that the special itself has a CLEARLY Christian meaning which it drives home with specifically mentioning the birth of Jesus, and not commercialism, as the point of Christmas.
 
2012-12-05 12:56:58 PM  
Conservative 'outrage' on faux news about the 'war on christmas' and by extension, the 'war on christians'... trying too hard to be outraged about something, anything...

successful troll...
also, I feel dirty having clicked on that link for some fox nutjob who claims to have sarah palin as a fan of his work.
 
2012-12-05 12:57:44 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: gerrymander: Of all the douchebag atheists in the world, you're douchebag atheistiest.

i think you meant "douchebaggiest Athiest"


I meant it the way I wrote it (almost -- it should have the "the douchebag atheistiest"). Linus didn't call his companion was "the Charliest Brown".
 
2012-12-05 12:58:35 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]


I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.
 
2012-12-05 12:59:05 PM  

GregInIndy: The school could do anything; take the kids to see any sort of Christmas or holiday show. I'd even be fine with the same Charlie Brown Christmas play. Just not one at a church or run by a church.


I agree with this statement. Christianity didn't last more then 2000 years by not acting upon every opportunity to indoctrinate young people that it came across.
 
2012-12-05 12:59:26 PM  

Lernaeus: I just wish I could say, "I don't really celebrate Christmas," without the Scrooge cracks and the assumption I had a sh*tty childhood or something. One of the most obnoxious things anyone can say is, "You don't like _____!? What's wrong with you?"


Point out to them that Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate any holiday, birthday, etc either.
 
2012-12-05 12:59:54 PM  

justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.


considering your performance in every thread, I am not surprised that you're surprised by unsurprising things. You are that simple.
 
2012-12-05 01:00:08 PM  

Lernaeus: I'm as atheist as they come, but I'm not "outraged" by people celebrating Christmas ... a little annoyed by how unavoidable it all is, but not outraged.

I just wish I could say, "I don't really celebrate Christmas," without the Scrooge cracks and the assumption I had a sh*tty childhood or something. One of the most obnoxious things anyone can say is, "You don't like _____!? What's wrong with you?"

Nothing, I'm fine. Go have a good time. Whatever makes you happy. Just please stop spraying me with your Christmas cheer.

That said, I do really love Vince Guaraldi's music for that special.


/Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons?
//just kidding :P
 
2012-12-05 01:00:37 PM  
I'm thinking 90%+ of Christians would completely lose their f-in' minds if their kid's school put together a "voluntary" field trip to a mosque to see a really fun play about Ramadan and how just awesome Muhammad & Allah is, showed them around the mosque, maybe let them check out how they pray & stuff.
 
2012-12-05 01:00:49 PM  
Atheism is a Religion
 
2012-12-05 01:01:42 PM  

gerrymander: HindiDiscoMonster: gerrymander: Of all the douchebag atheists in the world, you're douchebag atheistiest.

i think you meant "douchebaggiest Athiest"

I meant it the way I wrote it (almost -- it should have the "the douchebag atheistiest"). Linus didn't call his companion was "the Charliest Brown".


Although it occurs to me well after the fact that I could have started with "atheist douches" and run the quote from there to get your more sensible version.
 
2012-12-05 01:03:05 PM  

Mugato: At first I thought it was ridiculous but I never saw the Christmas special and I didn't know it was quite that religious in nature. Someone up-thread is right, if this was "It's Ramada, Charlie Brown" held in a mosque, people would be rioting in the streets. All or nothing.


I would have 0 problem with that. I think people should learn about other religions than their own. I enjoy talking to people of other religions to see what it's all about, even if I have no intention of following it. Hell, some Jenova's witnesses came to my house and I spent an hour talking with them, and asking all sorts of questions. In fact, I'm the only person I know that's made a Witness look at their watch and say "look man, I gotta go".

My ex-wife is Buddhist. When I was getting married people where asking if she was gonna convert to Christianity. I said no. Then they asked if I was gonna convert to Buddhism. I said no. Well then how will you deal with two religions in the same house? Easy, it's not a big deal. What about if you have kids? Then they can choose what to believe based on what makes the most sense to them.

I think a wide variety of religions should be tought in school. Not that one is better or more correct than others, just what they are all about. be it Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Wiccan or whatever As long as it isn't one of those crazy-ass 'religions' like Scientology or Mormonism.
 
2012-12-05 01:04:49 PM  
Atheist getting free rent in the minds of Fox News viewers.

Remember, we're the ones making you doubt your faith. That free rent will make more atheists. I don't have to argue with a single christian at this rate.
 
2012-12-05 01:06:01 PM  

BronyMedic: This text is now purple: Ask the Tibetans how much they enjoy actual militant atheism.

No thank you. I'd rather laugh at you for thinking State-as-Religion is the same as Atheism/Secular Humanism.

/we need a Godwin's law equivalent for people who say stupid things like this.


You're just speaking from the privilege of your rape culture.
 
2012-12-05 01:06:16 PM  
RE: Arkansas

Local Christian churches here don't usually expect any voices in opposition to whatever they want, especially ones who have a lawyer.

Difficulty: atheists can't hold elected state public offices
 
2012-12-05 01:08:32 PM  

ghare: This text is now purple: BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.

Ask the Tibetans how much they enjoy actual militant atheism.

I'm pretty sure they're suffering from totalitarianism, not militant atheist. Unless you seriously believe that China is still Communist.


China has basically fallen back on Totalitarian Pragmatism. I just get tired of trotting out Stalinism.
 
2012-12-05 01:08:54 PM  

Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?


Are you implying the Bible is cartoonish?

Because I agree. All superhero origin stories have the same elements.
 
2012-12-05 01:09:11 PM  

GregInIndy: skullkrusher: GregInIndy: Sure, it's voluntary. Voluntary in the sense that if you don't sign the permission slip your kid gets separated from her classmates to sit & do dull bookwork all day in detention-like conditions while their friends go on the bus & see a fun show and you as a parent are the bad guy.

well, you would be the bad guy by preventing your kids from seeing a live action rendition of a show you love merely because it is being performed in a church.
The show itself quotes the Bible. It talks about the birth of Jesus Christ as the important thing to the Christmas season. The fact that you're cool with your kids hearing that but not if it happens in a church is mind boggling.

It only boggles if you don't think context, authority, location, or who's doing the presenting or speaking matters at all.

Moreover, I'd disagree with you on the content. It quotes a bible passage about Christ's birth, which is fine, but there's an entire message about the problems of commercialism and crassness vs. caring and goodwill for all that I like a lot, and that completely bypasses Linus's speech near the end.

What I don't want is for a church to use the school's authority over the kids to put forth any of their beliefs as objective truth. If it were a play at a playhouse of the same material it would be in a completely different context. Context and intent matter whether you like it or not.


I'm calling foul on that one. Do you think the school was using its authority over the children to "put forth their beliefs?"

It was most likely supposed to be a fun outing in relation to the holiday season coming up, a season in which everyone, what ever their beliefs, get out of school. Not just because of Christmas either, its usually the end of the semester and New Years too.

In small towns we don't always have the options of non-secular venues for this kind of thing. I know where I am there are only two auditoriums big enough, one at the high school and one at the Methodist church. They are usually pretty good about letting other people use it for programs and things, especially since the school district won't let the high school be used for anything non-school related.

We all don't have the same options. Some of us live in bum-fark Kansas, and still keep church and school separate, because we have a little common sense.

I know. I used Kansas and common sense in the same sentence.
 
2012-12-05 01:09:46 PM  
2%. That's what the focus here is about: 2%.

It's what the focus everywhere, especially government, is all about. That's the population of people in this country, let's call them "ass-clowns", who are offended by__________, disrupted by_________, downtrodden by__________, and harmed by__________. You fill in the blanks. Our society caters to this ever-changing 2%. One day Topic A bothers this 2%, the next day Topic B bothers that 2%.

Stop being part of the f'n 2%!
 
2012-12-05 01:10:17 PM  

gerrymander: HindiDiscoMonster: gerrymander: Of all the douchebag atheists in the world, you're douchebag atheistiest.

i think you meant "douchebaggiest Athiest"

I meant it the way I wrote it (almost -- it should have the "the douchebag atheistiest"). Linus didn't call his companion was "the Charliest Brown".


douchebag is a pronoun in this context whereas Atheist is a noun... so saying someone is Atheistiest is kind of like saying Charlieiest Brown... now if you said douchebaggiest Charlie Brown then that would mean he is the most douchbaggiest Charlie Brown... the other way doesn't make sense.... look at it again:

douchebag Charlieiest Brown

or

douchebaggiest Charlie Brown


douchebag (pronoun - a descriptive noun)
Charlie (proper noun - a name)

so... what makes more sense... the first or second sentence?

1> Charlie Brown was the douchebag Charliest Brown of all douchebag Charlie Browns
2> Charlie Brown was the douchbaggiest Charlie Brown of all Charlie Browns
 
2012-12-05 01:10:59 PM  

Joe Blowme: How to put a condom on a cucumber? CHECK
See Charlie Brown Xmas play? NOT


That actually makes a lot of sense. The condom on a cucumber is useful information whereas the Charlie brown christmas play and especially the christian messages contained in it isn't useful at all.
 
2012-12-05 01:11:06 PM  

justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.


sometimes i am a masochist... :)
 
2012-12-05 01:11:45 PM  

GregInIndy: I'm thinking 90%+ of Christians would completely lose their f-in' minds if their kid's school put together a "voluntary" field trip to a mosque to see a really fun play about Ramadan and how just awesome Muhammad & Allah is, showed them around the mosque, maybe let them check out how they pray & stuff.


Thats like taking them to a kkk rally, they openly preach death to lots of different people. You might have had a point if you stopped at the fun play about a murdering rapist pedo...er i mean Mohamed....
 
2012-12-05 01:11:53 PM  

mizchief: I'm a very practical person. I'm not going to waste my day off hearing about stories from 2000 years ago, but if saying one sentence out loud grants me passage into eternal paradise of whatever, then why not? I understand statistics and know that i'm very unlikely to hit the jackpot in the lottery, but i'll buy a ticket every now and then. Brings me a moment of hope and joy without much effort. Doesn't mean i'm going to blow my whole check every week on scratch offs.


So instead you are going to blow your whole life on one scratch off?
 
2012-12-05 01:12:02 PM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Because people are stupid?
 
2012-12-05 01:12:09 PM  

skullkrusher: justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.

considering your performance in every thread, I am not surprised that you're surprised by unsurprising things. You are that simple.


that had a kind of symmetry to it... it was kind of beautiful.
 
2012-12-05 01:13:10 PM  

Delectatio Morosa: 2%. That's what the focus here is about: 2%.

It's what the focus everywhere, especially government, is all about. That's the population of people in this country, let's call them "ass-clowns", who are offended by__________, disrupted by_________, downtrodden by__________, and harmed by__________. You fill in the blanks. Our society caters to this ever-changing 2%. One day Topic A bothers this 2%, the next day Topic B bothers that 2%.

Stop being part of the f'n 2%!


I hear ya. Better to just conform and do what everyone else says to do because I get annoyed when those pesky people with a minority viewpoint do something.
 
2012-12-05 01:14:21 PM  
What a miserable existence it must be, to be an atheist . . . so sure and smugly confident in your beliefs, that you still cry and complain you are being excluded or ostracized by something like 'A Charlie Brown Christmas.' Where is the moaning about not having to work on December 25?
 
2012-12-05 01:14:29 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: justtray: HindiDiscoMonster: skullkrusher: kronicfeld: Coco LaFemme: I think you're missing the point. He/She specifically told me that I would not be okay with this play being put on in a mosque or some other religious structure, and I asked them to point out where I said in this thread that the only reason I didn't think this was a big deal was because it as a Christian church. I'm not asking them to prove how life began, I'm asking them to tell me where I said something they clearly think I said.

Throwing a hissy fit is a sure way to win an argument on an internet message board.

she's already won - now she's just fighting off the desperate attempts to save face made by those she just laid the smackdown on

Which brings this to mind...

[rationalwiki.org image 500x372]

I'm surprised there's people that still don't have skullkrusher on ignore.

considering your performance in every thread, I am not surprised that you're surprised by unsurprising things. You are that simple.

that had a kind of symmetry to it... it was kind of beautiful.


thanks for quoting it so the simple minded coward could enjoy it as well
 
2012-12-05 01:15:02 PM  

Rindred: RE: Arkansas

Local Christian churches here don't usually expect any voices in opposition to whatever they want, especially ones who have a lawyer.

Difficulty: atheists can't hold elected state public offices


....yet. That one is dying to get challenged. But I guess it would take one actually getting elected first.

But would I know about Arkansas?
 
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