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2012-12-05 12:08:11 PM  

mizchief: had98c: mizchief: Further proof that Atheism is a religion. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You cannot prove that god does not exist, but you base your belief on lack of evidence and fill the gap with faith.

The truly scientifically minded people don't make that leap of faith in either direction and simply live their lives based on facts and reason.

The most logical religion in my opinion is Christianity. All you have to do is say one prayer then you can pretty much do whatever you want and still get into heaven if such a place does actually exist.

4/10. You managed to get Pascal's Wager in there and also got the complete misrepresentation of atheism right, but it seemed too obvious. Good try.

The real difference between a religion and a viewpoint based on scientific evidence is if those who subscribe to that idea are willing to change their minds if new evidence is offered, or if they cling to their beliefs and are unwilling to modify their model to support that new evidence and try to deny the facts in front of their face like those who dismiss evolution and think the earth is 6000 years old.


Most atheists I know base their viewpoint on rules of evidence and rational thinking. So where does the religion part come in? Again the confusion seems to be stemming from a lack of understanding of what an atheist is.
 
2012-12-05 12:08:23 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So tell me, why can't the kids watch Charlie Brown at their school? Why MUST it be at the church?


BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PLAY WAS BEING PUT ON.
 
2012-12-05 12:08:35 PM  

amindtat: Rincewind53: That is the entire basis for the people in this thread claiming that Mithra or Sol Invictus were "born" on the 25th, though why the Romans would think that the sun had a birthday is not entirely clear.

I always assumed that they probably celebrated it as a rebirth than an actual birthday and was probably a tradition long before the Romans. I imagine to the common folk with little or no understanding of science way back when, seeing the sun not rise quite so high as the day before starting after the summer solstice (talking about the northern hemisphere, naturally) could be a bit unnerving. Days start getting shorter, the temperature starts dropping, crops and plants stop growing and start to wither. Without having televisions to watch, they probably watched the sun pretty closely. By the time they were approaching the winter solstice, without the modern conveniences we enjoy today, life was probably getting pretty hard and people were probably feeling pretty discouraged. But once they noticed that the day after the solstice, the sun was a little higher and the day was a little longer I would think it may have encouraged them that it could only get better from there. They may have even thought, hey...why not celebrate? And since throughout ages, people seem to be drawn to attributing everything that happens to them to whatever invisible sky friend(s) that are popular at that time and place, it seems only natural that people might include them in this event.


Oh yeah, you'll get no disagreement from me that primitive cultures venerated the sun, and that the solstice was always seen as a time of rebirth, and that Jesus's "birth" was pegged to the solstice. The historical record on that is clear. I just get annoyed when people go around copy-pasting pat explanations of why lolChristianityisafraud because they ignore the historical record in favor of what they think sounds good.
 
2012-12-05 12:08:45 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: dkoucky: This is cultural censorship! I am not a Christian, however we cannot censor culture. Many plays, books, paintings, sculptures, and other works of art have religious themes; does that mean they should not be seen? Should we stop teaching Algebra because it was created by a Muslim and pushed forward through Islam? Is a class allowed to see paintings by Da Vinci as many of them contain Christian themes? This is the same concept of censoring school libraries because you disagree with the moral principals of a book.

Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?


It was a play, might have been a minor pain in the ass to rebuild the set, reblock the actors, setup seating, and transport it to the school gymnasium.
 
2012-12-05 12:08:56 PM  

FlashHarry: citoriman: You really don't get it. Some people actually care about the separation of church and state from a moral perspective. Bringing a school to church violates that. If every "athesit" was like you and just STFU and relaxed, Christians would have us living in the 1500's by now.

teach intelligent design in a publicly funded school? i'll be right with you at the barricades. but this charlie brown, for chrissakes (sorry, for FSM's sake). it's harmless.


It's not about Charlie Brown. Its about bringing kids from a public school to church to learn about jesus.

From the pastor involved: "Christmas is a Christian holiday - hence it's name - Christmas....The context of the birth of Christ is broadly described in both Old and New Testament texts."

Put a damn VHS on in the classroom if you need Charlie Brown. Why waste students' time to bus over to a church to watch a crappy rendition? Because getting kids through their church doors however they can is a typical christian recruitment tactic.

One more thing: all you old farts need to accept that Charlie Brown may have been important to you when you were a kid, but it has been a long time since children in general gave half a crap about Charlie Brown, in any form. I guarantee if this performance had gone on, the kids would have been bored to tears.
 
2012-12-05 12:09:02 PM  

IAmRight: The My Little Pony Killer: Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?

Because it's a play, not the movie? Because the church has a large auditorium with seating, and perhaps the school's auditorium is in use by students from another grade?
A lot of you seem to feel like churches are evil scary places, which is really odd, if you really don't believe in any of these higher powers. They're just buildings and they often have better facilities for public shows (since they have them at least every week) than most other secular buildings.


My sister went to a public high school. Her graduation ceremony was held at a local church for precisely that reason. It was larger than the school's gymnasium and could hold more bodies, since over 1000 students were graduating and that many guests would be crammed out on the street. The class valedictorian was Jewish, and her parents sat in front of my parents, and I didn't hear them complaining that their Jewish daughter was giving a speech about not slacking off in college while standing in a Baptist church.
 
2012-12-05 12:09:12 PM  

Coco LaFemme: What religious dogma? I'm an atheist, and atheism is not a religion.


It is to many atheists unfortunately. They can be quite dogmatic.
 
2012-12-05 12:09:12 PM  
I don't consider myself a "militant" atheist, and I wouldn't have complained to the Society of Freethinkers (or the media or whatever). I wouldn't have signed the permission slip though. A visit to a church/synagogue/mosque/temple/whatever for non-educational purposes is over the line.

I agree with those upthread: the church looks like they are attention whoring..."oh woe is us! help help, we're being repressed!". Stand by your guns and have it at the church (but be ready to accept the possible consequences), put the play on after school, or at the school (still optional attendance) and get over yourself.

/too many wadded panties in this thread, on both sides of the debate
 
2012-12-05 12:09:27 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.


This x 2
 
2012-12-05 12:09:29 PM  

hdhale:
If you are standing on your atheist soap box and refuse to allow a child to see "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown", it is my fondest hope that any children you have grow up to despise you, have you placed in a nursing home before your time because they decide you are "inconvenient", and that they be a bitter disappointment to you and refuse to visit you on Sundays because it's "church day".

/in other words, get the farking corn cob out of your ass...you should be so lucky to have kids that give a fark about people and put their friends before commercialism, whatever their belief in God, Jesus, or whatever holy spirit moves them


For someone supposedly championing the statement of love the movie contains, you're spewing an awful lot of hate.

You might want to get the log out of your own eye, first.
 
2012-12-05 12:09:36 PM  

DaSwankOne: Epicedion: Is your eye in your ass? I don't get it.

/queueing up behind Coco in the "I don't understand metaphor" line

So you don't understand that when someone hits you in the face hard enough to blacken and swell your eye that it is commonly referred to as an "ass beating". This is probably because you are an over protected momma's boy precious snowflake that would have been much better off learning what it meant to get your ass whooped at some point in your life.


No one punch isn't an ass beating. I've punched an acquaintance in the face and broke his glasses because he was treating his girlfriend like shiat. What did I call it? I punched him in his farking face.
 
2012-12-05 12:10:01 PM  

dkoucky: The My Little Pony Killer: dkoucky: This is cultural censorship! I am not a Christian, however we cannot censor culture. Many plays, books, paintings, sculptures, and other works of art have religious themes; does that mean they should not be seen? Should we stop teaching Algebra because it was created by a Muslim and pushed forward through Islam? Is a class allowed to see paintings by Da Vinci as many of them contain Christian themes? This is the same concept of censoring school libraries because you disagree with the moral principals of a book.

Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?

It was a play, might have been a minor pain in the ass to rebuild the set, reblock the actors, setup seating, and transport it to the school gymnasium.


So why couldn't the play have been put on during a time when kids AREN'T going to be in school?
 
2012-12-05 12:10:06 PM  

citoriman: xanadian: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.

Did you consider the fact that because of the atheists' religious beliefs, they are being forced to exclude themselves from a day of PUBLIC education?

By your logic, it would be OK to have public school taught in a church, by a priest, from the bible, because parents have the option to homeschool.


Atheists don't have religious beliefs. That's the definition of an atheist.
 
2012-12-05 12:10:17 PM  

dkoucky: It was a play, might have been a minor pain in the ass to rebuild the set, reblock the actors, setup seating, and transport it to the school gymnasium.


Assuming the gymnasium was open.

/can see lots of Farkers have never worked in any kind of logistics
//what, stuff can easily just go anywhere - the real world is totally like the internet, you can just copy/paste stuff and it's at the new site!
 
2012-12-05 12:10:50 PM  

mizchief: The My Little Pony Killer: mizchief: getting angry because someone has a different idea sure does sound like a religion to me.

You have a retarded idea of what religion is.

Yea, you can't make an argument without name calling. What's your point?


That based upon your definition of religion, I'm not sure ANYBODY in this thread can effectively argue on the same level as you. It's just too difficult to stoop that low!
 
2012-12-05 12:10:57 PM  

Coco LaFemme: justtray: Coco LaFemme: The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?

It's not Constitutionally sound. I've never argued that it was. That doesn't mean that if I was a parent of one of the kids in this class, I would be bothered by it, because I don't think the mere act of putting a child in a church is indoctrinating them. I think a lot would need to be going on for me to think that the school was trying to force my child to be a Christian when they were not.

Good. Glad you agree then this shouldn't happen. Whether or not you personally would be bothered by it is irelevant. It's a clear violation of separation of church and state.

I look forward to the field trip about how Charlie Brown becomes a muslim terrorists because of the actions of the West on his people. I'm sure Fox News wouldn't oppose that because it's a teaching opportunity.

Just face it, you were wrong, and your opinion on the matter is based purely in religious dogma.

What religious dogma? I'm an atheist, and atheism is not a religion.


The dogma that it's okay because it's Christian, because it's the religion you're familiar with and surrounded by.

I even listed an example in my reply to make it more clear for you, yet you willfully ignore it and still can't comprehend. Typical bad troll.
 
2012-12-05 12:11:06 PM  

doczoidberg: I'm an atheist, and this shiat annoys the hell out of me.
Why do atheists have to act like such a-holes?

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.


You sound agnostic.
 
2012-12-05 12:11:14 PM  

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


Why not? I'm an athiest, but I would have no problem with my kid going on a field trip to observe the customs or holiday traditions of a religious group, if it was presented as an educational opportunity and not a chance to preach at them.
 
2012-12-05 12:11:25 PM  

mizchief: The My Little Pony Killer: mizchief: getting angry because someone has a different idea sure does sound like a religion to me.

You have a retarded idea of what religion is.

Yea, you can't make an argument without name calling. What's your point?


Where in there did I call YOU a name? I said YOUR DEFINITION was retarded. Cry harder.
 
2012-12-05 12:11:43 PM  

notdorothy: After reading this entire thread, I'm confused. Is the problem the play itself or the fact that it was being put on at a church?

If the play had religious themes, but was put on by the local theater company, is that okay. Or if the play was secular, but put on in a church. This happened by the way. The small town I live in put on a public performance of the Wizard of Oz. The only place big enough that had a stage was the church. The whole elementary went and watched. No one complained.


The problem seems to be fluid and ever changing just like in every other thread in Fark.

/Moving the goalposts for the good of the human race
 
2012-12-05 12:12:00 PM  

citoriman: Put a damn VHS on in the classroom if you need Charlie Brown.


THANK YOU.
 
2012-12-05 12:12:07 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So why couldn't the play have been put on during a time when kids AREN'T going to be in school?


Also, who was performing in the play if it was going on during school hours? Out-of-work adults? Kids skipping school?
 
2012-12-05 12:12:51 PM  

Ozone_Ranger: I agree with those upthread: the church looks like they are attention whoring..."oh woe is us! help help, we're being repressed!". Stand by your guns and have it at the church (but be ready to accept the possible consequences), put the play on after school, or at the school (still optional attendance) and get over yourself.


I agree, they should have to bear the extra costs of transportation and set design, as well as face lawyer costs for potential lawsuits. If they're not willing to spend hundreds to thousands more dollars in order to show this play as a matinee, then it clearly shows that they're attention-whoring.

/i'd be more worried about it being indoctrination if they WERE willing to go through all the extra sh*t to show the play at that time
 
2012-12-05 12:12:54 PM  
Of all the douchebag atheists in the world, you're douchebag atheistiest.
 
2012-12-05 12:13:01 PM  

manimal2878: I'm an athiest, but I would have no problem with my kid going on a field trip to observe the customs or holiday traditions of a religious group, if it was presented as an educational opportunity and not a chance to preach at them.


So at what point is Merry Christmas Charlie Brown educational in any way?
 
2012-12-05 12:13:02 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: mizchief: getting angry because someone has a different idea sure does sound like a religion to me.

You have a retarded idea of what religion is.


I think the word he meant to use is zealot...

/words have meaning or something
 
2012-12-05 12:13:38 PM  

Tenatra: No one punch isn't an ass beating. I've punched an acquaintance in the face and broke his glasses because he was treating his girlfriend like shiat. What did I call it? I punched him in his farking face.


Maybe someone should punch you in the face for making the dumbest thing I have read on the internet in a long time.

/ we just finished an election season
// I read an article with Sarah Palin quotes in it last night
 
2012-12-05 12:13:54 PM  

exatron: Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.

And our problem isn't with A Charlie Brown Christmas. It's with a public school taking kids to see a play about Christianity's central character at a church. You know, that whole separation of church and state thing.


Charlie Brown: Christianity's central character
 
2012-12-05 12:13:54 PM  
AMERICA! Land of the Free, Home of the Brave!

...So long as there is ZERO chance that you could even REMOTELY come within 100 miles of offending even 1 person that either does, has or will live.
 
2012-12-05 12:14:28 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?

It's not Constitutionally sound. I've never argued that it was. That doesn't mean that if I was a parent of one of the kids in this class, I would be bothered by it, because I don't think the mere act of putting a child in a church is indoctrinating them. I think a lot would need to be going on for me to think that the school was trying to force my child to be a Christian when they were not.

So you're a-okay with public schools acting in ways that are unConstitutional so long as a certain groups feelings aren't hurt? Just because you're okay with the law of the nation being flaunted by religious groups doesn't mean that everybody else will be or should be okay with it as well. Just because this isn't your own personal view of indoctrination doesn't mean that that isn't exactly what was going on here.

So tell me, why can't the kids watch Charlie Brown at their school? Why MUST it be at the church?


For the same reason other people have mentioned several times in this thread; because it's a live production, not someone setting up a TV and putting the DVD in. Maybe the school's gymnasium wasn't large enough, maybe the school had a room for putting on plays and other shows, but it wasn't big enough to accommodate all the people who'd go, maybe another grade or group was using the gym for something else, and they needed the larger space.

There ARE valid reasons for using a religious structure for a non-religious reason, and none of them have to do with indoctrinating students or forcing them to be Christian when they're not.
 
2012-12-05 12:14:47 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: citoriman: Put a damn VHS on in the classroom if you need Charlie Brown.

THANK YOU.


really? That's the farking issue? Not the religious content of the Charlie Brown Christmas special about the true meaning of the season being the birth of Christ but what building it was being shown in?

Holy crap.
 
2012-12-05 12:15:27 PM  
Good grief! From the article, it is clear that the pastor of the church cancelled the event! Not the atheists, not the principal, not the school board or anyone else. The farking pastor cancelled his own event. The poor baby was worried that his little play might be attacked. If he had any courage at all, he'd have stood up and defended his faith, church and Charlie Brown. The pastor has the backbone of a jellyfish or, more likely, is ginning up the controversy to promote ticket sales for his weekend performance. Basically you have a pastor crying, "Oppression!" when the only thing that has happened is a concerned parent contacted a group and they sought some legal counsel.
 
2012-12-05 12:15:33 PM  

Epicedion: You are such an adorable internet badass. Come here, you.


I have got chunks of trolls like you in my stool.
 
2012-12-05 12:15:49 PM  

DaSwankOne: Tenatra: No one punch isn't an ass beating. I've punched an acquaintance in the face and broke his glasses because he was treating his girlfriend like shiat. What did I call it? I punched him in his farking face.

Maybe someone should punch you in the face for making the dumbest thing I have read on the internet in a long time.

/ we just finished an election season
// I read an article with Sarah Palin quotes in it last night


Why didn't you say someone should give me an ass beating?
 
2012-12-05 12:15:56 PM  

Coco LaFemme: IAmRight: The My Little Pony Killer: Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?

Because it's a play, not the movie? Because the church has a large auditorium with seating, and perhaps the school's auditorium is in use by students from another grade?
A lot of you seem to feel like churches are evil scary places, which is really odd, if you really don't believe in any of these higher powers. They're just buildings and they often have better facilities for public shows (since they have them at least every week) than most other secular buildings.

My sister went to a public high school. Her graduation ceremony was held at a local church for precisely that reason. It was larger than the school's gymnasium and could hold more bodies, since over 1000 students were graduating and that many guests would be crammed out on the street. The class valedictorian was Jewish, and her parents sat in front of my parents, and I didn't hear them complaining that their Jewish daughter was giving a speech about not slacking off in college while standing in a Baptist church.


Well, if you didn't hear her parents complain while sitting next to them during the ceremony, then clearly they were stoked. Case closed folks, nothing to see here.
 
2012-12-05 12:16:23 PM  
As an atheist at the extreme end of the spectrum, I sent my son to a Roman Catholic school. They had performances similar to this as part of the syllabus. They also had trips to mosques, Sikh, Hindu temples and other establishments to experience their celebrations. I absolutely support this.

As a young adult, he shows no inclination for any faith but can hold his own in a discussion about most of the major religions. Nothing wrong with that.
 
2012-12-05 12:16:36 PM  

justtray: Coco LaFemme: justtray: Coco LaFemme: The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?

It's not Constitutionally sound. I've never argued that it was. That doesn't mean that if I was a parent of one of the kids in this class, I would be bothered by it, because I don't think the mere act of putting a child in a church is indoctrinating them. I think a lot would need to be going on for me to think that the school was trying to force my child to be a Christian when they were not.

Good. Glad you agree then this shouldn't happen. Whether or not you personally would be bothered by it is irelevant. It's a clear violation of separation of church and state.

I look forward to the field trip about how Charlie Brown becomes a muslim terrorists because of the actions of the West on his people. I'm sure Fox News wouldn't oppose that because it's a teaching opportunity.

Just face it, you were wrong, and your opinion on the matter is based purely in religious dogma.

What religious dogma? I'm an atheist, and atheism is not a religion.

The dogma that it's okay because it's Christian, because it's the religion you're familiar with and surrounded by.

I even listed an example in my reply to make it more clear for you, yet you willfully ignore it and still can't comprehend. Typical bad troll.


LOL, I'm a troll. Good one. What next, my mom is so fat when she sits around the house.......she sits around the house?
 
2012-12-05 12:16:39 PM  

mizchief: The My Little Pony Killer: mizchief: getting angry because someone has a different idea sure does sound like a religion to me.

You have a retarded idea of what religion is.

Yea, you can't make an argument without name calling. What's your point?


ROFL You couldn't even differentiate between you and your definition of religion.
 
2012-12-05 12:16:50 PM  

manimal2878: Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.

Why not? I'm an athiest, but I would have no problem with my kid going on a field trip to observe the customs or holiday traditions of a religious group, if it was presented as an educational opportunity and not a chance to preach at them.


You know, if this was done in NYC, or LA, or a major urban center that doesn't have a history of trying to jam Jesus into the science class, I'd probably be giving a big "Meh".

It was in Arkansas. A state that is in the process of trying to wedge creationism into the science class yet again. They have tried again and again to violate the separation of church and state, so perhaps I am not as willing to forgive or allow a place that has such a record to cart the kids in to a church.

It's a state that already ranks pretty damn low in education. Maybe, just maybe, they should spend less time taking the kids to get preached at and reinforcing their probably already 100% Christian beliefs on public school time and spend it doing math, reading, and writing?
 
2012-12-05 12:17:01 PM  

DaSwankOne: I have got chunks of trolls like you in my stool.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-05 12:17:45 PM  

justtray: I even listed an example in my reply to make it more clear for you, yet you willfully ignore it and still can't comprehend. Typical bad troll.


I like that you're so supportive of other religions that you claim the Muslim alternative to "A Charlie Brown Christmas" would be that Charlie Brown becomes a terrorist.
 
2012-12-05 12:17:51 PM  
I wonder if the outrage would be the same for say "It a wonderful life?"

/I must have missed congress making the law to forcing them to go see this
 
2012-12-05 12:18:08 PM  
i get it...i just find i have a hard time getting worked up about it.
 
2012-12-05 12:18:43 PM  

citoriman: Coco LaFemme: IAmRight: The My Little Pony Killer: Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?

Because it's a play, not the movie? Because the church has a large auditorium with seating, and perhaps the school's auditorium is in use by students from another grade?
A lot of you seem to feel like churches are evil scary places, which is really odd, if you really don't believe in any of these higher powers. They're just buildings and they often have better facilities for public shows (since they have them at least every week) than most other secular buildings.

My sister went to a public high school. Her graduation ceremony was held at a local church for precisely that reason. It was larger than the school's gymnasium and could hold more bodies, since over 1000 students were graduating and that many guests would be crammed out on the street. The class valedictorian was Jewish, and her parents sat in front of my parents, and I didn't hear them complaining that their Jewish daughter was giving a speech about not slacking off in college while standing in a Baptist church.

Well, if you didn't hear her parents complain while sitting next to them during the ceremony, then clearly they were stoked. Case closed folks, nothing to see here.


I would think, and that's because this is a common sense thing here, I would think that if they had a problem with the graduation ceremony being held in a church different from their own religious beliefs, they wouldn't have let her go. I mean, I'm just guessing out loud here. If you're the kind of person to get offended by something like that, you're also the kind of person who would tell your child they're not going.
 
2012-12-05 12:18:43 PM  

gerrymander: Of all the douchebag atheists in the world, you're douchebag atheistiest.


i think you meant "douchebaggiest Athiest"... they can't be any more Athiest than Athiest, but they certainly can be more douchebaggier than just standard levels of douchebaggery

/douchebaggery... my new favorite word of the day
 
2012-12-05 12:18:46 PM  

IAmRight: I like that you're so supportive of other religions that you claim the Muslim alternative to "A Charlie Brown Christmas" would be that Charlie Brown becomes a terrorist.


I've seen that one. Pig Pen sets off a dirty bomb.
 
2012-12-05 12:19:27 PM  

IAmRight: Mouthoy: /Rhymes with..um...Schmithaca College

And you are now favorited appropriately.


Rockin'!

/Have several colleagues over on East Hill - good people!
//and you have hockey!
 
2012-12-05 12:19:47 PM  

IAmRight: justtray: I even listed an example in my reply to make it more clear for you, yet you willfully ignore it and still can't comprehend. Typical bad troll.

I like that you're so supportive of other religions that you claim the Muslim alternative to "A Charlie Brown Christmas" would be that Charlie Brown becomes a terrorist.


Why do you think I didn't dignify that crap with a response?
 
2012-12-05 12:20:01 PM  
So when will they repeal it as a national holiday?
 
2012-12-05 12:20:05 PM  
As someone who can be a bit loud about the rights of atheists:

I don't really see the problem with kids watching a not-very religious stage play inspired by a cartoon featuring macrocephalic children that try to put on their own play. In fact, I can appreciate the meta-nature of it all. I'm a little curious why the venue is a church, but maybe they have a nice stage (that's not sarcasm, some churches have very nice theater capabilities). Beyond that, it's voluntary. Kids aren't required to go. Sure, it's not exactly educational, but it seems like an overreaction.

This is different from teachers mandating a break time for prayer in schools, or, for example, kicking out students with henna decorations on their hands for diwali. Those show discrimination of one sort or another.

Personally, I wish we had mandated academic religion classes in schools. Kids should be allowed to learn about various religions, their ideals, goals, and contrast that against how the organizations and their followers actually behave historically and to date, before they're entirely brainwashed by their parents and religious leaders. Let them choose a religion (or none) instead of having it imposed on them. Let them understand what other cultures believe, and help them to judge them based on their own merits, not preconceived ideas from their parents.

For now, it's up to responsible parents to provide their children with these tools, but it rarely happens. I'd even go so far as to claim that parents who don't are either uncaring, or too scared that their child will pick the 'wrong' one that they don't let them choose for themselves - and this goes for atheists too. Seems like it'd apply to the woman who complained from the article.
 
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