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2012-12-05 11:55:41 AM  

AcneVulgaris: I used to love this as a kid... back in the 70's when cartoons were few and far between.

Now... the voice acting makes my skin crawl.


The voice acting is a bit spotty because Schulz was given very short notice to put this together, or so I read somewhere.
 
2012-12-05 11:56:02 AM  

FlashHarry: citoriman: You really don't get it. Some people actually care about the separation of church and state from a moral perspective. Bringing a school to church violates that. If every "athesit" was like you and just STFU and relaxed, Christians would have us living in the 1500's by now.

teach intelligent design in a publicly funded school? i'll be right with you at the barricades. but this charlie brown, for chrissakes (sorry, for FSM's sake). it's harmless.

 
2012-12-05 11:56:13 AM  

Epicedion: Coco LaFemme: I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

Well apparently you get to live in a world where everything is a magical learning experience full of learning and magic.

Look, it's an indictment of your "but but but they'll learn something" shtick and not intended to be an accurate assessment of your life story. You're acting like everything is okay because everything can be learned from, which is great if you live on Sesame Street but doesn't necessarily translate to reality. Often times you just get punched in the eye. But in your view, learning how to drain fluids from around your own black eye might be a positive learning experience.


No, not really. I don't think everything can be learned from, but I do think most things can. My parents raised my sister and I that way, because my grandparents didn't give two shiats about education, and my parents wanted us to be smarter than them. So they told us to always try and learn from what we were doing or what happened to us, good or bad. It doesn't always work. If you fall off your bike and break your leg because you're not paying attention to where you're going, which happened to me 13 years ago, what are you supposed to learn from that? Watch where you're going. If you get taken to a synagogue to see how Jews practice their faith, what are you supposed to learn from that? That the Jewish tradition is different from the __________ tradition, and that their faith is as rooted in culture the same as anyone else's. If someone punches you in the eye, what are you supposed to learn from that? I don't know, I've never been punched in the face before. Is there something learnable in that? Maybe. It could inspire you to learn self-defense so that you're not victimized again.
 
2012-12-05 11:56:21 AM  
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I'm sure everyone upset about this will be OK with the next field trip to a mosque during Ramadan. I'm sure the local muslims put on a great show as well.
 
2012-12-05 11:56:27 AM  

BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.



Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.


Sorry, but that's highly inaccurate. I'm talking about the ones that go around protesting things like this that are harmless and fun.

I'm atheist and when my kids expressed an interest in things like sunday school and church based youth groups let them go and decide for themselves what they want to believe, rather than attempt to force my own belief system on them.
 
2012-12-05 11:56:44 AM  

DaSwankOne: sethen320: I believe the saying is "turn the other cheek".

I would not expect you to understand this because you are a hater, but actually the "turn the other cheek" phrase has been misinterpreted. The real meaning is more in line with the concept of not seeking vengeance rather than allowing oneself to be abused.


many many people don't seem to get that picking things out of context is just plain dumb... then they use it as a talking point.
 
2012-12-05 11:56:48 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Marcintosh: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

and this is why atheists hate religion - most adherents to any particular religion seem to be blissfully unaware that another view point exists and if they ARE aware the adherents are dismissive of that view point.

Think about the quandary of a muslim family might be in here - allow the kid to go and violate their religious feelings etc or deny their kid the trip and wonder if he'll be ostracized for it.

These two trivial points are just that - trivial points - there very well could be other far more important issues in play.

On the surface it seems harmless enough but it in fact introduces a complication into others lives that just doesn't need to be there and in fact shouldn't be there.

So yeah, cultural and religious ignorance sucks and in todays United States, shouldn't be there.

Plus, it's that crappy Chuck Brown schlock - I've had it up to here with that dead guys cartoons - bring back Prince Valium

I was raised Catholic. I no longer am, but that's beside the point. I was raised Catholic, and often was exposed to non-Catholic teachings, whether it was from visiting another faith's place of worship or learning about it in class. THAT'S THE POINT OF LEARNING. How can you claim to be devoutly religious, yet the mere exposure to someone else's faith can make you suddenly question your own? Attending a bar mitzvah when I wasn't Jewish didn't invalidate the fact that I was Catholic, and didn't "violate" anything that had to do with my Catholicism. I was learning about a tradition from another faith, and it was interesting.

Learning about other religions is not "state-sponsored indoctrination", nor should it be sneered upon as such.


I was raised in such a way as well.

The Muslim family is already exposed to a constant stream of Christianity in this country. More importantly, they are also exposed to the ideas and values of freedom. All the religious are. Seeing that the world didn't end when something their fathers and pastors were braying about seems to make them mellow as the generations pass.

We had at least two different courses in my public school (on in 7th grade and one as a senior) that were social studies courses that covered world religions. The guy that devoted an entire quarter to both Islam and Buddhism was shiat canned (albeit over an affair with an of age HS volleyball player), and the other guy was teaching a sociology class and presented one of the fairest discourses on world religions I've ever had, and that's including the course I had to take in college.

That is how you expose kids to the major world religions in a public school setting. Dispassionately and without proselytizing. The chance this field trip would be either is low.

We had a massive trip in 8th grade to DC where we also visited the National Cathedral, but we just toured. There was no service, no indoctrination, just a lot of questions about where the Darth Vader gargoyle was.
 
2012-12-05 11:57:37 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Yeah, because Fox takes the complaints of one asshole and makes it like we are all bunch of pricks. Screw the Conservative Mainstream Media.
 
2012-12-05 11:58:18 AM  

mizchief: Further proof that Atheism is a religion. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You cannot prove that god does not exist, but you base your belief on lack of evidence and fill the gap with faith.

The truly scientifically minded people don't make that leap of faith in either direction and simply live their lives based on facts and reason.

The most logical religion in my opinion is Christianity. All you have to do is say one prayer then you can pretty much do whatever you want and still get into heaven if such a place does actually exist.


That's not how the burden of proof works, moron. Prove to me Santa Claus isn't real. Since you can't you have to give equal credance to the possibility he is.

See how stupid you are yet?
 
2012-12-05 11:58:24 AM  

Coco LaFemme: If someone punches you in the eye, what are you supposed to learn from that? I don't know, I've never been punched in the face before. Is there something learnable in that? Maybe. It could inspire you to learn self-defense so that you're not victimized again.


Are you being deliberately obtuse

www.scene-stealers.com

or are you just blind to figurative language?
 
2012-12-05 11:58:29 AM  

Epicedion: Look, it's an indictment of your "but but but they'll learn something" shtick and not intended to be an accurate assessment of your life story. You're acting like everything is okay because everything can be learned from, which is great if you live on Sesame Street but doesn't necessarily translate to reality. Often times you just get punched in the eye. But in your view, learning how to drain fluids from around your own black eye might be a positive learning experience


So watching a local production of A Charlie Brown Christmas is the equivalent of taking an ass beating? Seriously guy go back to 4chan.
 
2012-12-05 11:58:30 AM  

FlashHarry: i'll be right with you at the barricades. but this charlie brown, for chrissakes (sorry, for FSM's sake). it's harmless.


It's Charlie Brown as shown at their local church under the guidance of a pastor.

Why can't the kids watch the movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?
 
2012-12-05 11:58:44 AM  
Just privatize all schools. Get the government out of education and these constitutional issues go away.

/Athiest.
//Celebrates Christmas. Would let my kid see Charlie Brown Christmas.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:02 AM  

citoriman: xanadian: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.

Did you consider the fact that because of the atheists' religious beliefs, they are being forced to exclude themselves from a day of PUBLIC education?

By your logic, it would be OK to have public school taught in a church, by a priest, from the bible, because parents have the option to homeschool.


that would certainly make an interesting math or home-economics class...
 
2012-12-05 11:59:07 AM  

had98c: mizchief: Further proof that Atheism is a religion. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You cannot prove that god does not exist, but you base your belief on lack of evidence and fill the gap with faith.

The truly scientifically minded people don't make that leap of faith in either direction and simply live their lives based on facts and reason.

The most logical religion in my opinion is Christianity. All you have to do is say one prayer then you can pretty much do whatever you want and still get into heaven if such a place does actually exist.

4/10. You managed to get Pascal's Wager in there and also got the complete misrepresentation of atheism right, but it seemed too obvious. Good try.


The real difference between a religion and a viewpoint based on scientific evidence is if those who subscribe to that idea are willing to change their minds if new evidence is offered, or if they cling to their beliefs and are unwilling to modify their model to support that new evidence and try to deny the facts in front of their face like those who dismiss evolution and think the earth is 6000 years old.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:09 AM  
Jesus fark! The god damned Atheists are getting as bad as the Christians!
 
2012-12-05 11:59:32 AM  
Hey atheists, don't be a dick.

It's possible for religion to exist, be studied, and to allow our children to be exposed to it. If you don't like it, you're just as bad as the homeschoolers that don't want their children in school because they are afraid of teaching them such subjects as "logic" and "reason". Religion is a big part of our history and culture. Would you sue the school for teaching about the holocost just because you don't believe it happened?

//agnostic
 
2012-12-05 11:59:53 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?


It's not Constitutionally sound. I've never argued that it was. That doesn't mean that if I was a parent of one of the kids in this class, I would be bothered by it, because I don't think the mere act of putting a child in a church is indoctrinating them. I think a lot would need to be going on for me to think that the school was trying to force my child to be a Christian when they were not.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:54 AM  

Madbassist1: The My Little Pony Killer: Madbassist1: My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.

That I'm assuming was performed at your school, and not say, a church, correct?

Congratulations, you've come THISCLOSE to actually touching upon the issue people might possibly have with the scenario from TFA.

my...you're quite the asshole, aren't ya? Moan all you want, my point was I'm pretty damn sure the same people would throw the same fit over the same farking thing, dickhead.


I'm not an asshole, I'm just somebody who actually read TFA and is commenting on such. If you don't have a counter to my points, that's fine, but going straight to namecalling only tells me how butthurt you are that I touched upon the little details that you chose to leave out completely.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:58 AM  

Rincewind53: That is the entire basis for the people in this thread claiming that Mithra or Sol Invictus were "born" on the 25th, though why the Romans would think that the sun had a birthday is not entirely clear.


I always assumed that they probably celebrated it as a rebirth than an actual birthday and was probably a tradition long before the Romans. I imagine to the common folk with little or no understanding of science way back when, seeing the sun not rise quite so high as the day before starting after the summer solstice (talking about the northern hemisphere, naturally) could be a bit unnerving. Days start getting shorter, the temperature starts dropping, crops and plants stop growing and start to wither. Without having televisions to watch, they probably watched the sun pretty closely. By the time they were approaching the winter solstice, without the modern conveniences we enjoy today, life was probably getting pretty hard and people were probably feeling pretty discouraged. But once they noticed that the day after the solstice, the sun was a little higher and the day was a little longer I would think it may have encouraged them that it could only get better from there. They may have even thought, hey...why not celebrate? And since throughout ages, people seem to be drawn to attributing everything that happens to them to whatever invisible sky friend(s) that are popular at that time and place, it seems only natural that people might include them in this event.
 
2012-12-05 12:00:11 PM  

dopekitty74: BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.



Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.

Sorry, but that's highly inaccurate. I'm talking about the ones that go around protesting things like this that are harmless and fun.

I'm atheist and when my kids expressed an interest in things like sunday school and church based youth groups let them go and decide for themselves what they want to believe, rather than attempt to force my own belief system on them.


Can you not see the difference in you allowing your children to do such a thing, and why a public school should not be taking kids to a church service? Especially one in Arkansas that might not have the most noble of intentions (given their track record in that state of trying to jam Christ into the public school setting to the exclusion of everything else and getting smacked down again and again).
 
2012-12-05 12:00:26 PM  

Nabb1: Infernalist: No one would have had any issue if they'd shown the 'movie' at school without the Linus Speech included.

I'd think that was particularly stupid since it's the whole point of the story, whether you like it or not.


Stupid knows no bounds. In my Comp I course we had to write a response essay to a section of, "The Help" There was a lady in class that raised her hand and said that she refused to take part in the assignment because the words were against her religious beliefs. She had to make this statement even though the instructor gave us two alternate readings from the course book. He had to reiterate this to her but she kept going on about the book.
 
2012-12-05 12:00:41 PM  
I'd like to see a public school sponsored trip to a retelling of the Horus myth.
 
2012-12-05 12:00:47 PM  

DaSwankOne: So watching a local production of A Charlie Brown Christmas is the equivalent of taking an ass beating?


Is your eye in your ass? I don't get it.

/queueing up behind Coco in the "I don't understand metaphor" line
 
2012-12-05 12:00:52 PM  

Madbassist1: The My Little Pony Killer: Madbassist1: My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.

That I'm assuming was performed at your school, and not say, a church, correct?

Congratulations, you've come THISCLOSE to actually touching upon the issue people might possibly have with the scenario from TFA.

my...you're quite the asshole, aren't ya? Moan all you want, my point was I'm pretty damn sure the same people would throw the same fit over the same farking thing, dickhead.


And when you assume, you think that you're making an ass out of everybody else, but it really only makes an ass out of you :)
 
2012-12-05 12:01:09 PM  
At least it's not Merry Christmas Graham Stark .

Yes, there's Peanuts involved.
 
2012-12-05 12:01:36 PM  
What is funny is that most of the aethist haters around here seem to have more belief in the power of the Holy Spirit to infect children and force them into a Christfilled life than most Christians I run into.
 
2012-12-05 12:02:01 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: dkoucky: This is cultural censorship! I am not a Christian, however we cannot censor culture. Many plays, books, paintings, sculptures, and other works of art have religious themes; does that mean they should not be seen? Should we stop teaching Algebra because it was created by a Muslim and pushed forward through Islam? Is a class allowed to see paintings by Da Vinci as many of them contain Christian themes? This is the same concept of censoring school libraries because you disagree with the moral principals of a book.

Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?


yeah seriously, why don't kids just ride it's a small world at home? why do they have to go to disneyland/world?
 
2012-12-05 12:02:13 PM  

dopekitty74: I'm talking about the ones that go around protesting things like this that are harmless and fun.


Hahaha no. The Constitutionality of this action has been discussed up and down this thread. Harmless, my ass.
 
2012-12-05 12:02:20 PM  
I think we've gotten to that point in a thread where the people posting haven't read the article, nor any of the other posts in the thread.

*drops mic*
 
2012-12-05 12:02:35 PM  
Sounds to me like the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers are not.
 
2012-12-05 12:02:42 PM  

Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.


Sure. I'm not a fan of preachy at the best of times, and I think CBC was heavy handed, even for a christian piece. But one of the few truly great things that religion has inspired over the millenia is art. CBC is art. Having it voiced by age-realistic children (as technically flawed as it turned out to be) was utter genius. The kids are at least half of the piece's soul.

Religion is inspiring*. Unfortunately, art isn't the only thing it inspires, but, you know... Different thread.

/ *Although not so much anymore it seems. Religion-inspired art seems to be utter garbage lately.
// CBC may be the last of the greats.
 
2012-12-05 12:02:47 PM  

kronicfeld: The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene


OMG!! Won't somebody think of the children? They'll be scarred for life.
 
2012-12-05 12:02:49 PM  
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2012-12-05 11:57:37 AM


Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Yeah, because Fox takes the complaints of one asshole and makes it like we are all bunch of pricks. Screw the Conservative Mainstream Media.
>



Good one dude!
 
2012-12-05 12:02:56 PM  

Coco LaFemme: The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?

It's not Constitutionally sound. I've never argued that it was. That doesn't mean that if I was a parent of one of the kids in this class, I would be bothered by it, because I don't think the mere act of putting a child in a church is indoctrinating them. I think a lot would need to be going on for me to think that the school was trying to force my child to be a Christian when they were not.


Good. Glad you agree then this shouldn't happen. Whether or not you personally would be bothered by it is irelevant. It's a clear violation of separation of church and state.

I look forward to the field trip about how Charlie Brown becomes a muslim terrorists because of the actions of the West on his people. I'm sure Fox News wouldn't oppose that because it's a teaching opportunity.

Just face it, you were wrong, and your opinion on the matter is based purely in religious dogma.
 
2012-12-05 12:03:05 PM  

Rincewind53: digitalrain: The AW parent is out of line. She forced the school and every child who didn't opt out to
accommodate her views on religion when they could have just as easily been accommodated
if she'd just oped out her own kid and leave everybody else alone.

Except she didn't. RTFA. The church cancelled it before anyone even approached them. The school had literally nothing to do with the decision not to go.


I did RTFA - I guess I just didn't absorb all of it. DOH! Thanks for pointing that out.

It's still pointless outrage on the part of the Society of the Freethinkers (wow...what an oxymoron if they
all think like the woman in TFA does)
 
2012-12-05 12:03:27 PM  

justtray: mizchief: Further proof that Atheism is a religion. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You cannot prove that god does not exist, but you base your belief on lack of evidence and fill the gap with faith.

The truly scientifically minded people don't make that leap of faith in either direction and simply live their lives based on facts and reason.

The most logical religion in my opinion is Christianity. All you have to do is say one prayer then you can pretty much do whatever you want and still get into heaven if such a place does actually exist.

That's not how the burden of proof works, moron. Prove to me Santa Claus isn't real. Since you can't you have to give equal credance to the possibility he is.

See how stupid you are yet?


you mad bro? getting angry because someone has a different idea sure does sound like a religion to me. Almost like those fools that get pissed off over a simple cartoon.....
 
2012-12-05 12:03:44 PM  

Qwertyette: be studied


What exactly will children be learning from watching Charlie Brown at a church that they can't learn from Charlie Brown at their school?

And why couldn't the church host this little event during a time when the kids aren't at school?
 
2012-12-05 12:03:46 PM  

Qwertyette: Hey atheists, don't be a dick.

It's possible for religion to exist, be studied, and to allow our children to be exposed to it. If you don't like it, you're just as bad as the homeschoolers that don't want their children in school because they are afraid of teaching them such subjects as "logic" and "reason". Religion is a big part of our history and culture. Would you sue the school for teaching about the holocost just because you don't believe it happened?

//agnostic


There's a primary difference between learning about religion and taking part in it. This smacks of taking part in religion -- travelling to a church to attend the production of a church-sponsored show with a religious message. They're not travelling to a library to attend a lecture about the history of December solstice celebrations throughout the world.
 
2012-12-05 12:03:53 PM  
The cancellation came as the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers told television station KATV they had received legal advice on pursuing a possible lawsuit against the Little Rock School District.

The second most ironically named organization ever. The first and still the champion is the Committee of Public Safety, who during the French Revolution sent thousands of people to the guillotine.

If you are standing on your atheist soap box and refuse to allow a child to see "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown", it is my fondest hope that any children you have grow up to despise you, have you placed in a nursing home before your time because they decide you are "inconvenient", and that they be a bitter disappointment to you and refuse to visit you on Sundays because it's "church day".

/in other words, get the farking corn cob out of your ass...you should be so lucky to have kids that give a fark about people and put their friends before commercialism, whatever their belief in God, Jesus, or whatever holy spirit moves them
 
2012-12-05 12:04:19 PM  

dopekitty74: BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.



Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.

Sorry, but that's highly inaccurate. I'm talking about the ones that go around protesting things like this that are harmless and fun.

I'm atheist and when my kids expressed an interest in things like sunday school and church based youth groups let them go and decide for themselves what they want to believe, rather than attempt to force my own belief system on them.


wait... hold on a second... you are making sense.... i was told this was not allowed on Fark.

I agree btw... the harder you push a child toward something, the more they push back and away from it.

/Human nature
 
2012-12-05 12:04:40 PM  

Epicedion: Is your eye in your ass? I don't get it.

/queueing up behind Coco in the "I don't understand metaphor" line


So you don't understand that when someone hits you in the face hard enough to blacken and swell your eye that it is commonly referred to as an "ass beating". This is probably because you are an over protected momma's boy precious snowflake that would have been much better off learning what it meant to get your ass whooped at some point in your life.
 
2012-12-05 12:04:56 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?


Because it's a play, not the movie? Because the church has a large auditorium with seating, and perhaps the school's auditorium is in use by students from another grade?

A lot of you seem to feel like churches are evil scary places, which is really odd, if you really don't believe in any of these higher powers. They're just buildings and they often have better facilities for public shows (since they have them at least every week) than most other secular buildings.
 
mhd
2012-12-05 12:05:17 PM  

Mugato: Why can't they just go to a performance of Die Hard? That's an awesome Christmas movie that doesn't offend anyone. Except maybe Germans. But fark them.


Hey! Stop zis, or ve now vill take ze krissmess trees back, ja?

And why? Looking at my copy of "Stirb Langsam" ("die slowly"), I see that the leader of the terrorists is called "Jack Gruber" and his long-haired Dragon is called "Charlie". Hardly German names.

/"yipi-ay-ey, pig cheek"
 
2012-12-05 12:05:19 PM  

trotsky: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Yeah, because Fox takes the complaints of one asshole and makes it like we are all bunch of pricks. Screw the Conservative Mainstream Media.


/FTFY (they all suck ass and are vultures)
 
2012-12-05 12:05:23 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: FlashHarry: i'll be right with you at the barricades. but this charlie brown, for chrissakes (sorry, for FSM's sake). it's harmless.

It's Charlie Brown as shown at their local church under the guidance of a pastor.

Why can't the kids watch the movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?


Because the church is the one putting on the performance. They scheduled a matinee performance for the field trip.
 
2012-12-05 12:05:42 PM  

justtray: Coco LaFemme: The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?

It's not Constitutionally sound. I've never argued that it was. That doesn't mean that if I was a parent of one of the kids in this class, I would be bothered by it, because I don't think the mere act of putting a child in a church is indoctrinating them. I think a lot would need to be going on for me to think that the school was trying to force my child to be a Christian when they were not.

Good. Glad you agree then this shouldn't happen. Whether or not you personally would be bothered by it is irelevant. It's a clear violation of separation of church and state.

I look forward to the field trip about how Charlie Brown becomes a muslim terrorists because of the actions of the West on his people. I'm sure Fox News wouldn't oppose that because it's a teaching opportunity.

Just face it, you were wrong, and your opinion on the matter is based purely in religious dogma.


What religious dogma? I'm an atheist, and atheism is not a religion.
 
2012-12-05 12:06:10 PM  

Coco LaFemme: The My Little Pony Killer: Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.

No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?

It's not Constitutionally sound. I've never argued that it was. That doesn't mean that if I was a parent of one of the kids in this class, I would be bothered by it, because I don't think the mere act of putting a child in a church is indoctrinating them. I think a lot would need to be going on for me to think that the school was trying to force my child to be a Christian when they were not.


So you're a-okay with public schools acting in ways that are unConstitutional so long as a certain groups feelings aren't hurt? Just because you're okay with the law of the nation being flaunted by religious groups doesn't mean that everybody else will be or should be okay with it as well. Just because this isn't your own personal view of indoctrination doesn't mean that that isn't exactly what was going on here.

So tell me, why can't the kids watch Charlie Brown at their school? Why MUST it be at the church?
 
2012-12-05 12:06:16 PM  
After reading this entire thread, I'm confused. Is the problem the play itself or the fact that it was being put on at a church?

If the play had religious themes, but was put on by the local theater company, is that okay. Or if the play was secular, but put on in a church. This happened by the way. The small town I live in put on a public performance of the Wizard of Oz. The only place big enough that had a stage was the church. The whole elementary went and watched. No one complained.
 
2012-12-05 12:06:36 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.

Sure. I'm not a fan of preachy at the best of times, and I think CBC was heavy handed, even for a christian piece. But one of the few truly great things that religion has inspired over the millenia is art. CBC is art. Having it voiced by age-realistic children (as technically flawed as it turned out to be) was utter genius. The kids are at least half of the piece's soul.

Religion is inspiring*. Unfortunately, art isn't the only thing it inspires, but, you know... Different thread.

/ *Although not so much anymore it seems. Religion-inspired art seems to be utter garbage lately.
// CBC may be the last of the greats.


Religion inspired art isn't always so great. There's a medieval painting section in Raleigh's art museum, and after a while, you get really tired of seeing 'Madonna and Child' paintings. It gets old after about the 5th or 6th one. 'Course, one of the reasons for this was that the church was one of the few patrons who had enough money to commission these paintings.
 
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