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(Fox News)   The latest atheist outrage? People watching "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown"   (radio.foxnews.com) divider line 1010
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2012-12-05 11:44:24 AM  

Mugato: Why can't they just go to a performance of Die Hard? That's an awesome Christmas movie that doesn't offend anyone. Except maybe Germans. But fark them.



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Mommy! They killed Santa!
 
2012-12-05 11:44:27 AM  

BronyMedic: Lets try this again. A Charlie Brown Kwanzaa (NSFW)


That's ... wow... :) But why is the Swedish Chef singing the intro?

/ Bork bork...bork?
 
2012-12-05 11:44:37 AM  
Again, the very same people championing this silly play at the local church would set themselves on fire in outrage, if the play had to do with a non-christian belief system.

This is all about pushing a particular belief system with the local government's approval. And it's not right, even if the religion in question is the dominant one in this country.
 
2012-12-05 11:45:15 AM  
All I want is what I... I have coming to me. All I want is my fair share
s10.postimage.org 

\bunch of Sallies in this thread.
 
2012-12-05 11:45:23 AM  

MilesTeg: Many "atheists" are really just anti-Christian religious bigots. Calling yourself an "atheist" just makes it sound better.

Their entire goal is not being comfortable in their own beliefs but to cause as much angst as possible for those they disagree with.


"Many". Sure, yeah, you should go with that.
 
2012-12-05 11:45:31 AM  

xanadian: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.


So when is the voluntary field trip to the local mosque during Ramadan scheduled?
 
2012-12-05 11:45:32 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I don't proselytize, nor do I have any desire to.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*takes deep breath"

AHJAHHAHAHAHAHA.

What the hell have you been doing up and down this thread then?
 
2012-12-05 11:45:43 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I don't live in a tolerant area. Where I live and where I grew up are not the same thing. I grew up in Chicago, IL and currently live in Redneckville, NC. And no, seeing as I was a Catholic and now are not, I don't know what it's like to be Muslim. Or any other faith. I do however, know what it was like for my friends growing up who were not Christians, and they had a rough road. Not because of their specific faith, but just because they weren't Christians. It's ugly and unnecessary, and not a quality about some people in this country I like.


So you do know what it's like, because you've seen people go through it, and yet you still think it's ok for even more non-christian kids to become ostracized by being a non-christian faith. Alright then.

/Obviously I was referring to where you when to high school; are you seriously this obtuse, or are you just trolling?
 
2012-12-05 11:45:45 AM  

IAmRight: /why don't other religions put on entertaining shows?



Because they don't have the hubristic crassness to show off how great their religion is to others in an effort to popularize and proselytize?

/the others either leave alone or kill nonbelievers, christians convert
 
2012-12-05 11:45:47 AM  
I'm torn. As an atheist, my blood is always up against actual dangerous meshing of church and state, such as creationism in public schools. However Christmas has effectively become a secular holiday, whatever the etymology of it's name may be. Easter is named for a pagan deity, but no one doubts that it is Christian. Why can't it go the other way? If a bunch of kids want to decorate a tree and sing Jingle Bells, let them have at it. Even when we do reach a post-religion society, Christian roots in our culture will still always remain an important part of our history.
 
2012-12-05 11:45:49 AM  

t3knomanser: This exists to protect believers, too. Does this school have no Jews? Muslims? Hindus? Is it right for the school to discriminate against them? Sure, it's an atheist organization that's doing the complaining, but by what right does the school marginalize religious believers that aren't Christian?


When I was in school we used to make a field trip to different temples and churches of many faiths and denominations. It was important to by understanding of other people and their culture. I do not believe that the state or a school has the right to force you to pray to or give money to any god or church. I do however believe that we could become a much better society if we learned more about each other's traditions and learned to respect them.
 
2012-12-05 11:46:13 AM  

FlashHarry: hello? yes, this is atheist.

i love a charlie brown christmas. and the biblical content doesn't bother me one bit. it's just as fictional as the rest of the story, but it's sweet in its intent. sometimes people should just STFU and relax.


You really don't get it. Some people actually care about the separation of church and state from a moral perspective. Bringing a school to church violates that. If every "athesit" was like you and just STFU and relaxed, Christians would have us living in the 1500's by now.
 
2012-12-05 11:46:18 AM  

Carn: FauxReal: Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig

I didn't make it and I'm not gonna try to shop it clean. But it fits what you posted, so here it is.
[i.imgur.com image 536x600]

I'm stealing this for facebook. I expect some outrage from bible thumper friends. Hopefully a few drop me.


if they do, then they don't know their Bible anyway... that picture is a whole lot of fact.
 
2012-12-05 11:46:32 AM  

MilesTeg: Many "atheists" are really just anti-Christian religious bigots. Calling yourself an "atheist" just makes it sound better.

Their entire goal is not being comfortable in their own beliefs but to cause as much angst as possible for those they disagree with.


Ah, the "They're all terrorists bent on destroying our freedom and liberty" argument. Haven't seen that used in a while, thanks for the nostalgia!
 
hej
2012-12-05 11:46:48 AM  
"We're not waging a war," said LeeWood Thomas, a spokesman for the group. "We're basically calling a foul against the separation of church and state."

That's some serious outrage there, subbs.
 
2012-12-05 11:47:06 AM  

mgshamster: Coco LaFemme: mgshamster: Coco LaFemme: FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist

Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.

For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about what people believe and wishes them to just mind their own farking business, you sure do spend a lot of time trying convince them that they're wrong.

I don't spend any time trying to convince a Christian (or someone from any other faith) that they are wrong to be Christian, and as an atheist I am right. I have never done that once, either on Fark, or off it. I don't proselytize, nor do I have any desire to.

It wasn't the Christians to which I was referring.


That's funny, because I was talking about religion. I don't argue with people over matters of religious belief, because that's futile and a waste of time. Don't spin what I was saying to fit something else, then accuse me of doing the opposite. I do not try and change someone's mind about what they believe, re: religion. Now, if you think Pink Floyd sucks, I will try and change your mind about that.
 
2012-12-05 11:47:21 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.


Well apparently you get to live in a world where everything is a magical learning experience full of learning and magic.

Look, it's an indictment of your "but but but they'll learn something" shtick and not intended to be an accurate assessment of your life story. You're acting like everything is okay because everything can be learned from, which is great if you live on Sesame Street but doesn't necessarily translate to reality. Often times you just get punched in the eye. But in your view, learning how to drain fluids from around your own black eye might be a positive learning experience.
 
2012-12-05 11:47:35 AM  

enry: My employer (a liberal organization in the heathen area of Cambridge, MA that rhymes with "Schmarvard") hates Christmas so much, they told us to not show up to work starting close of business Dec 21 and don't want to see us again until Jan 2. And they have the nerve to pay us for it!

/woot


IAmRight:

Mine too!

/rhymes with Schmornell
//actually was known as the heathen/godless school since all the other Ivies were founded by religious types
///LET'S COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR WEEK-PLUS OF FREE VACATION TO VISIT OUR FAMILIES


Thirded!

/Rhymes with..um...Schmithaca College
//Could be worse - could rhyme with schmortland!
 
2012-12-05 11:47:38 AM  

MilesTeg: Many "atheists" are really just anti-Christian religious bigots. Calling yourself an "atheist" just makes it sound better hipster.

Their entire goal is not being comfortable in their own beliefs but to cause as much angst as possible for those they disagree with.


FTFY. And, you are, of course, absolutely correct. I've known atheists all my life and they've always fought for the preservation of church and state. Only recently have they become outraged douche bags, pushing their beliefs onto everyone else. They are no different than the born-againers they so despise.
 
2012-12-05 11:47:48 AM  
This is cultural censorship! I am not a Christian, however we cannot censor culture. Many plays, books, paintings, sculptures, and other works of art have religious themes; does that mean they should not be seen? Should we stop teaching Algebra because it was created by a Muslim and pushed forward through Islam? Is a class allowed to see paintings by Da Vinci as many of them contain Christian themes? This is the same concept of censoring school libraries because you disagree with the moral principals of a book.
 
2012-12-05 11:48:05 AM  

sethen320: Rincewind53: R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10

I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.

Ill give you both 10/10 to shut up.


now that's just cheating... only pocketninja gets 10s... O.o
 
2012-12-05 11:48:10 AM  

Coco LaFemme: mgshamster: Coco LaFemme: mgshamster: Coco LaFemme: FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist

Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.

For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about what people believe and wishes them to just mind their own farking business, you sure do spend a lot of time trying convince them that they're wrong.

I don't spend any time trying to convince a Christian (or someone from any other faith) that they are wrong to be Christian, and as an atheist I am right. I have never done that once, either on Fark, or off it. I don't proselytize, nor do I have any desire to.

It wasn't the Christians to which I was referring.

That's funny, because I was talking about religion. I don't argue with people over matters of religious belief, because that's futile and a waste of time. Don't spin what I was saying to fit something else, then accuse me of doing the opposite. I do not try and change someone's mind about what they believe, re: religion. Now, if you think Pink Floyd sucks, I will try and change your mind about that.


I was talking about the other atheists (which, while not a religion, is still on the subject of religions). Wow, you really are this obtuse, aren't you?
 
2012-12-05 11:48:36 AM  

kerryclendenon: A: I do not see this as an underwriting of a particular religion, or as an establishment of a national religion, because a local school, run but a local authority, decided to take kids who voluntarily agreed to go, to a play, where one of the actors accurately quotes a book, in describing the reason for the very holiday that a certain group of people follow. Christmas is a holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus, a character in a series of religious stories.

You just stated that you don't see it as an underwriting of a particular religion, and then proceeded to describe in detail why it IS underwriting a particular religion and thus is a breach of Constitutional law.

It's a religious film, being shown in a church. There are no circumstances where this would be "okay" for a public school, unless it was part of a religious studies program where they were making similar trips to various other religious institutions.

That it was "voluntary" is irrelevant. It can't be offered as an option. Separation of Church and State.


When the derpy Christian right wants to overturn national law because some little tribe of people - surrounded by people who hated them - said it was bad - that's something to get mad about. Arguing over a school, run by a locality, transporting volunteers to a play, is going way overboard.

It's a public, government-run school. It's transporting students, unless they opt out, to a religious play.

If you ignore the necessary context, sure, you can portray this as not a big deal. Kind of like if we were discussing a school that led students in a Bible reading every morning, and you'd written it up as a "voluntary recitation from a historical text". You're not making a point, you're deliberately obfuscating the facts to mislead.

 
2012-12-05 11:48:51 AM  

Tommy Moo: I'm torn. As an atheist, my blood is always up against actual dangerous meshing of church and state, such as creationism in public schools. However Christmas has effectively become a secular holiday, whatever the etymology of it's name may be. Easter is named for a pagan deity, but no one doubts that it is Christian. Why can't it go the other way? If a bunch of kids want to decorate a tree and sing Jingle Bells, let them have at it. Even when we do reach a post-religion society, Christian roots in our culture will still always remain an important part of our history.


It's not about the roots of xmas, it's about the fact that they put on a play at a church that has a rather long and detailed recitation of religious scripture regarding the linchpin of that religion, it's savior figure's birth.

No one would have had any issue if they'd shown the 'movie' at school without the Linus Speech included.
 
2012-12-05 11:48:56 AM  

Tommy Moo: Christmas has effectively become a secular holiday,


Christmas is still Christian. The secularists just don't get the benefits of eternal life like the believers do.
 
2012-12-05 11:49:02 AM  

Madbassist1: My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.


Which one were you?? Orange Shirt??!?!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-05 11:49:17 AM  

Madbassist1: My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.


That I'm assuming was performed at your school, and not say, a church, correct?

Congratulations, you've come THISCLOSE to actually touching upon the issue people might possibly have with the scenario from TFA.
 
2012-12-05 11:49:18 AM  

Lord Dimwit: doyner: "Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

Non-story, folks. Carving out a few hours from a public school day to take kids to a church to watch a story about how Linus and Charlie Brown are touched by the birth of Christ is clearly over the line.

As someone who was non-religious in an extremely religious small town, not "volunteering" to go on this trip meant social suicide.


I doubt it was about social ostracizing. It's more likely about spending government money to pay for a visit to a church to see a film that recites a Bible passage along with an proselytizing that may go on which could be considered a violation of the First Amendment.
 
2012-12-05 11:49:28 AM  

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


I would have an issue if it was the Christmas Story, but it's a Charlie Brown Christmas which despite Linus' Speech doesn't have that much religiosity to it.

It's like the controversy my school got into with choosing a church as our graduation hall, however, the church was chosen because it was the only hall nearby with AC that could fit our huge graduating class. Does that make it an issue for the separation of church and state?
 
2012-12-05 11:49:59 AM  

ChipNASA: Madbassist1: My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.

Which one were you?? Orange Shirt??!?!

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 350x240]


that farker was cool!
 
2012-12-05 11:50:11 AM  
I used to love this as a kid... back in the 70's when cartoons were few and far between.

Now... the voice acting makes my skin crawl.
 
2012-12-05 11:50:17 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Now, if you think Pink Floyd sucks, I will try and change your mind about that.


Just play them the second set of Shine on You Crazy Diamond and highlight the bit where the organ note seamlessly transitions to electric guitar. Pretty awesome, that.
 
2012-12-05 11:50:22 AM  
The War on Christmas (TM)

The War on Christmas is a trademark of img1.fark.net 

/ well this should be clear of sensationalist nonsense
 
2012-12-05 11:50:32 AM  

sethen320: I believe the saying is "turn the other cheek".


I would not expect you to understand this because you are a hater, but actually the "turn the other cheek" phrase has been misinterpreted. The real meaning is more in line with the concept of not seeking vengeance rather than allowing oneself to be abused.
 
2012-12-05 11:50:50 AM  

Coco LaFemme: And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.

I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.


No comment on the Constitutionality of the scenario from TFA?
 
2012-12-05 11:50:51 AM  

mizchief: Further proof that Atheism is a religion. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You cannot prove that god does not exist, but you base your belief on lack of evidence and fill the gap with faith.

The truly scientifically minded people don't make that leap of faith in either direction and simply live their lives based on facts and reason.

The most logical religion in my opinion is Christianity. All you have to do is say one prayer then you can pretty much do whatever you want and still get into heaven if such a place does actually exist.


Oh shut up.
 
2012-12-05 11:51:00 AM  

mizchief: Further proof that Atheism is a religion. The opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference. You cannot prove that god does not exist, but you base your belief on lack of evidence and fill the gap with faith.

The truly scientifically minded people don't make that leap of faith in either direction and simply live their lives based on facts and reason.

The most logical religion in my opinion is Christianity. All you have to do is say one prayer then you can pretty much do whatever you want and still get into heaven if such a place does actually exist.


4/10. You managed to get Pascal's Wager in there and also got the complete misrepresentation of atheism right, but it seemed too obvious. Good try.
 
2012-12-05 11:51:35 AM  

Mouthoy: /Rhymes with..um...Schmithaca College


And you are now favorited appropriately.
 
2012-12-05 11:51:46 AM  
This being fark, I was expecting the hero tag
 
2012-12-05 11:51:54 AM  

xanadian: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.


Did you consider the fact that because of the atheists' religious beliefs, they are being forced to exclude themselves from a day of PUBLIC education?

By your logic, it would be OK to have public school taught in a church, by a priest, from the bible, because parents have the option to homeschool.
 
2012-12-05 11:52:36 AM  

citoriman: You really don't get it. Some people actually care about the separation of church and state from a moral perspective. Bringing a school to church violates that. If every "athesit" was like you and just STFU and relaxed, Christians would have us living in the 1500's by now.


teach intelligent design in a publicly funded school? i'll be right with you at the barricades. but this charlie brown, for chrissakes (sorry, for FSM's sake). it's harmless.
 
2012-12-05 11:52:39 AM  

mgshamster: So you do know what it's like, because you've seen people go through it, and yet you still think it's ok for even more non-christian kids to become ostracized by being a non-christian faith. Alright then.


The kids do not ostracize themselves. It is their farking icehole parents that use their kids to make a crappy political point and turn their kids into unlikeable turds.
 
2012-12-05 11:52:41 AM  
Come on people, really?
 
2012-12-05 11:53:08 AM  

Infernalist: No one would have had any issue if they'd shown the 'movie' at school without the Linus Speech included.


I'd think that was particularly stupid since it's the whole point of the story, whether you like it or not.
 
2012-12-05 11:53:38 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Madbassist1: My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.

That I'm assuming was performed at your school, and not say, a church, correct?

Congratulations, you've come THISCLOSE to actually touching upon the issue people might possibly have with the scenario from TFA.


my...you're quite the asshole, aren't ya? Moan all you want, my point was I'm pretty damn sure the same people would throw the same fit over the same farking thing, dickhead.
 
2012-12-05 11:53:39 AM  
Hitler would have been outraged at this too.
 
2012-12-05 11:54:44 AM  

DaSwankOne: sethen320: I believe the saying is "turn the other cheek".

I would not expect you to understand this because you are a hater, but actually the "turn the other cheek" phrase has been misinterpreted. The real meaning is more in line with the concept of not seeking vengeance rather than allowing oneself to be abused.


It's a bit more "aggressive" than that. It's not meant to be a policy of passivity at all. It's more of a "go on, hit me again, you farker" kind of passive resistance thing.

If anything, it's the antithesis of being a victim. It's a statement about what makes the difference between being victimized, and becoming a martyr for your beliefs.
 
2012-12-05 11:55:07 AM  

dkoucky: This is cultural censorship! I am not a Christian, however we cannot censor culture. Many plays, books, paintings, sculptures, and other works of art have religious themes; does that mean they should not be seen? Should we stop teaching Algebra because it was created by a Muslim and pushed forward through Islam? Is a class allowed to see paintings by Da Vinci as many of them contain Christian themes? This is the same concept of censoring school libraries because you disagree with the moral principals of a book.


Why can't the kids just watch the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it HAVE to be at a church?
 
2012-12-05 11:55:21 AM  

The Ascent of Spam: This being fark, I was expecting the hero tag


This
 
2012-12-05 11:55:41 AM  

AcneVulgaris: I used to love this as a kid... back in the 70's when cartoons were few and far between.

Now... the voice acting makes my skin crawl.


The voice acting is a bit spotty because Schulz was given very short notice to put this together, or so I read somewhere.
 
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