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2012-12-05 11:23:22 AM
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2012-12-05 11:23:22 AM

BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.


I always thought of that as a beer. Maybe it's just cause I want a beer.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:37 AM
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wonk, wonk, wonk, wonk. Wonk, wonk, wonk, wonk, wonk.
/wonk?
 
2012-12-05 11:23:45 AM
As an atheist I have no issues with Christmas. It's a great holiday and it has transcended past Christianity and has become more of a cultural event in our society.

I think it would serve atheists well to embrace Christmas. It would send the message to the droves of Christians who don't really believe in their religion but think being an atheist is too far out there, that not believing in god doesn't mean you have to quit things you enjoy. They can have the exact life they have now without believing in fairy tales.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:51 AM

Coco LaFemme: Slaves2Darkness: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Why? Because we object to religious indoctrination, even if it comes in the form of cartoons?

I must be a different kind of atheist because I don't believe "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" is religious indoctrination.


Showing "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" in the school auditorium with no religious leaders present = not indoctrination.

Taking students to multiple religious venues (including at least the big three) outside of ceremony times, and studying the history of religion in general = not indoctrination.

Taking students to a church to watch "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" being sponsored by the church with no other religion getting equal time = indoctrination.

Taking students to a church to see a church service with no other religion getting equal time = indoctrination.

That's where they step over the line. They're both giving one religion preferential treatment and taking students to a church-sponsored activity.

----

Again, if this were happening at a mosque, most of the parents in the class would be in outrage mode.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:54 AM
My employer (a liberal organization in the heathen area of Cambridge, MA that rhymes with "Schmarvard") hates Christmas so much, they told us to not show up to work starting close of business Dec 21 and don't want to see us again until Jan 2. And they have the nerve to pay us for it!

/woot
 
2012-12-05 11:24:22 AM
My brother is a Christian (I, on the other hand, am a dirty atheist) and he attends church quite regularly. When the Harry Potter books were still coming out, he and I were both reading them. One of the ladies at his church asked him why he was reading them, and that the books were "satanic" and promoted witchcraft. My brother replied that they are just stories, that actually have a positive message for both kids and adults.

He went on to say that his faith in god is strong and that if someone's faith is so fragile that it can be shaken by reading a book or watching a telivision show or movie, then maybe that person needs to re-evaluate what he or she believes. This is true for both the religious and non-religious.

The bible itself has a lot of good messages in it (subject, of course, to interpretation) and sheltering your kids from that is not doing them any favors. It is a good opportunity to open a discussion about morality (yes, we atheists have morals) and religion. Inform them and teach them, you are parents, it's what you are supposed to do.

/watches Charlie Brown Christmas Special every year.
//doesn't feel like Christmas without it
///anyone else notice that the Charlie Brown cartoons feel like a Wes Anderson movie?
 
2012-12-05 11:24:32 AM
I suspect the headlines would read differently if the play being performed at a local mosque and had to do with a re-enactment of Muhammad's revelations.
 
2012-12-05 11:24:35 AM

xanadian: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.


Just because something is "optional" doesn't mean that it was ever okay for it to be suggested in the first place.

Why can't the kids be shown the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it have to be at a church?
 
2012-12-05 11:24:53 AM
So we live in a society where grown men watching "My Little Pony" should be celebrated, but "A Charlie Brown Christmas" should be vilified.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:10 AM

JonZoidberg: BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.

I always thought of that as a beer. Maybe it's just cause I want a beer.


Confirmation Bias, Sir!

It's really an after dinner mixture of iced coffee, kaluah, chocolate, and top shelf vodka.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:24 AM
Setting aside, for now, the fact that Charlie Brown (and anything 'Peanuts' for that matter) is horribly boring, no one in that school district thought that a field trip to a Church was perhaps not a good idea?

Maybe quit spending my tax dollars on completely non-educational field trips, and spend that money on educating the little snowflakes, before they fall even farther behind students in other first-world countries.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:43 AM
Let me get this straight:

The school tried to have a field trip that would take students to a church to watch a show being put on by the church, and the show has a religious message that's supported by the church?

I don't see who could possibly have a problem with this.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:22 AM
Huh?

I mean, I hate Merry Christmas Charlie Brown, but I hated it when I was a believer too.

//It has some horrible memories attached to it.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:33 AM
Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:34 AM

enry: My employer (a liberal organization in the heathen area of Cambridge, MA that rhymes with "Schmarvard") hates Christmas so much, they told us to not show up to work starting close of business Dec 21 and don't want to see us again until Jan 2. And they have the nerve to pay us for it!

/woot


Mine too!

/rhymes with Schmornell
//actually was known as the heathen/godless school since all the other Ivies were founded by religious types
///LET'S COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR WEEK-PLUS OF FREE VACATION TO VISIT OUR FAMILIES
 
2012-12-05 11:26:37 AM
If your Atheism is so weak that your child will be converted by going to a church, then you've failed as a parent.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:47 AM
Why can't they just go to a performance of Die Hard? That's an awesome Christmas movie that doesn't offend anyone. Except maybe Germans. But fark them.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:53 AM

Via Infinito: Rincewind53: Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing

Common sense and quick google search shows that this statement is patently false.
I don't have the time or inclination to refute any of the other crap you're whining about, but feel free to do some research on your own.


You're correct about that one, I mistakenly confused the fact that Sol Invictus was part of the Mithraic cult with the idea that Sol Invictus and Mithra were the same.

That doesn't change the fact that all of the other things I stated are correct. Sol Invictus's "birthdate" is a complete historical mystery, no one is entirely certain. The Pope thinks that the view that it was the 25th was incorrect, and I'll take him over anyone else.

Hercules was a demigod, the half-human, half-god offspring of Zeus and as common sense dictates; he was mortal during his lifetime, though endowed with great strength. He is a legendary figure, and there is no "December 25th" birthdate associated with him. The only internet sources you'll find claiming that are citing the same tired, old, idea that tons of religions had gods that were virgin births on the 25th. Which is not true.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:09 AM
I remember reading somewhere that Charles Schulz later regretted (presumably after he became an atheist) putting in Linus' little religious speech into that Christmas special.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:14 AM
Sorry, when you start with the phrase "Let's take a field trip to a church and..." you can stop right there. I'm an atheist and I like Christmas and normally don't care about religious display in public and whatnot but this is over the line of separation of church and state and they are right to complain. If you replaced church with mosque/synagogue/temple you'd be hearing the outrage from the right.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:28 AM
That reminds me, it's time to start saying "Merry Christmas" to everyone, just to piss off the uber-PC idiots. Christmas is a really nice tradition. It has it's roots in religion (several of them) but so what? Many things in our culture have their roots in religion. That doesn't mean we should abandon them and start saying stupid shiat like "Happy Holidays".

/agnostic
//firmly against organized religion
///Merry Christmas!
 
2012-12-05 11:27:40 AM

abhorrent1: Just so I'm sure I understand..

Religious people biatching about anything that doesn't follow their religion = Okay
Non-Religious people biatching about anything religious = Not okay
Earplugs to shut them all out = Okay
Is that right? Got it.


FTFY, so it'll be all right
 
2012-12-05 11:27:44 AM

MayoSlather: As an atheist I have no issues with Christmas. It's a great holiday and it has transcended past Christianity and has become more of a cultural event in our society.

I think it would serve atheists well to embrace Christmas. It would send the message to the droves of Christians who don't really believe in their religion but think being an atheist is too far out there, that not believing in god doesn't mean you have to quit things you enjoy. They can have the exact life they have now without believing in fairy tales.


Mmm hmm. Nothing all that religious about Santa, really. Not anymore. He's as secular an icon as you get these days (despite his roots in Saint Nicholas).

LazarusLong42: Again, if this were happening at a mosque, most of the parents in the class would be in outrage mode.


Well...FOX News would be in outrage mode, at least. And they'd promptly blame Obama for it.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:58 AM

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2012-12-05 11:27:58 AM

doyner: "Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

Non-story, folks. Carving out a few hours from a public school day to take kids to a church to watch a story about how Linus and Charlie Brown are touched by the birth of Christ is clearly over the line.


As someone who was non-religious in an extremely religious small town, not "volunteering" to go on this trip meant social suicide.
 
2012-12-05 11:28:34 AM

digitalrain: The AW parent is out of line. She forced the school and every child who didn't opt out to
accommodate her views on religion when they could have just as easily been accommodated
if she'd just oped out her own kid and leave everybody else alone.


Except she didn't. RTFA. The church cancelled it before anyone even approached them. The school had literally nothing to do with the decision not to go.
 
2012-12-05 11:29:41 AM

advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.


Can the militant atheists bring science with them into the Thunderdome?
 
2012-12-05 11:29:46 AM

xanadian: On a semi-related note, I wonder how the freethinkers' group would've reacted if the Charlie Brown play were held at a public amphitheater, as opposed to a church? Or, even IN the school itself?


This is the exact problem I have with the entire scenario.

Why can't the kids just watch the damn movie at their school? Why do they HAVE to be bussed out to a church for the viewing?
 
2012-12-05 11:29:59 AM

BronyMedic: The_Sponge: Coffee? That's a beer.

That's even more evil.

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i like how they're STILL doing the big nose guys are evil art with bonus balding spot on his head looks like a yarmulke.
 
2012-12-05 11:29:59 AM

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


THIS.
 
2012-12-05 11:30:11 AM

Coco LaFemme: FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist

Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.


For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about what people believe and wishes them to just mind their own farking business, you sure do spend a lot of time trying convince them that they're wrong.
 
2012-12-05 11:30:12 AM

advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.


If you're militant about, well, virtually anything involving beliefs and other people's thoughts, you should go off yourself. Intolerant atheists are just as annoying as intolerant Christians - love how many of them in this thread automatically assume "oh hey, look, I bet those other people hate Muslims!" to deflect their whininess.

/not militant because the extent of my outrage is typing this post
//and honestly, I started yawning by the end of typing it
 
2012-12-05 11:30:15 AM

xanadian: advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.

Can the militant atheists bring science with them into the Thunderdome?


Wouldn't matter. It'd be no match for the power of the opposing god(s).
 
2012-12-05 11:30:46 AM

HotWingConspiracy: This fits the grand religious tradition of knowingly stepping over the line, then crying persecution when they're pushed back.


Excellent point.
 
2012-12-05 11:30:46 AM

xanadian: advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.

Can the militant atheists bring science with them into the Thunderdome?


They can use whatever is hanging from the hooks in the cage.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:24 AM

Lord Dimwit: doyner: "Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

Non-story, folks. Carving out a few hours from a public school day to take kids to a church to watch a story about how Linus and Charlie Brown are touched by the birth of Christ is clearly over the line.

As someone who was non-religious in an extremely religious small town, not "volunteering" to go on this trip meant social suicide.


Having attended public school in Brighton, Tennesse for k-3, I can attest to the validity of this statement. My 1st grade teacher was the Preacher's wife too. It was almost like being home schooled.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:41 AM

enry: My employer (a liberal organization in the heathen area of Cambridge, MA that rhymes with "Schmarvard") hates Christmas so much, they told us to not show up to work starting close of business Dec 21 and don't want to see us again until Jan 2. And they have the nerve to pay us for it!

/woot


Damned Druidic heathens. There's nothing they won't do to inconvenience others.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:42 AM

FauxReal: Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig

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I'm an agnostic, my wife is a lapsed Catholic, and our son is a firm believer in the Church of Goldfish Crackers and Cold Milk, but we celebrate Christmas. At this point it's just as much a secular American holiday as it is anything else.

...on that note, you never see Christians getting all up in arms about Halloween or Valentine's Day losing their religious significance.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:52 AM

Marcintosh: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

and this is why atheists hate religion - most adherents to any particular religion seem to be blissfully unaware that another view point exists and if they ARE aware the adherents are dismissive of that view point.

Think about the quandary of a muslim family might be in here - allow the kid to go and violate their religious feelings etc or deny their kid the trip and wonder if he'll be ostracized for it.

These two trivial points are just that - trivial points - there very well could be other far more important issues in play.

On the surface it seems harmless enough but it in fact introduces a complication into others lives that just doesn't need to be there and in fact shouldn't be there.

So yeah, cultural and religious ignorance sucks and in todays United States, shouldn't be there.

Plus, it's that crappy Chuck Brown schlock - I've had it up to here with that dead guys cartoons - bring back Prince Valium


I was raised Catholic. I no longer am, but that's beside the point. I was raised Catholic, and often was exposed to non-Catholic teachings, whether it was from visiting another faith's place of worship or learning about it in class. THAT'S THE POINT OF LEARNING. How can you claim to be devoutly religious, yet the mere exposure to someone else's faith can make you suddenly question your own? Attending a bar mitzvah when I wasn't Jewish didn't invalidate the fact that I was Catholic, and didn't "violate" anything that had to do with my Catholicism. I was learning about a tradition from another faith, and it was interesting.

Learning about other religions is not "state-sponsored indoctrination", nor should it be sneered upon as such.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:59 AM
That said, I have yet to find it during a search, but Nickelodeon had on during one of its Christmas season bumps in between shows probably between 2003 and 2004, it was a Rugrats mini-episode that was a play on the Merry Christmas Charlie Brown, complete with Linus's soliloquy delivered by Tommy, which ended with Angelica saying "You stupid babies! That's not what Christmas is about! It's about the presents!" And then the babies all say, "Oh yeah" and go about playing.

Anyone else remember that?
 
2012-12-05 11:32:00 AM
Charlie Brown Christmas?

This is what Linus meant to say.

/seen this dozens of times
//will watch it dozens more
///must I always be aloooooooone?
 
2012-12-05 11:32:07 AM

kronicfeld: The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene


Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


This and that. I'm as atheist as they come, but this weekend the wife and I went and picked out a tree and we watched the Charlie Brown Christmas Special while decorating it. Nothing wrong with that. Until you are a public school using public funds. As was also mentioned, if they had gone to a mosque the farsenews crowd would have been losing their minds.
 
2012-12-05 11:32:52 AM

WhippingBoy: If your Atheism is so weak that your child will be converted by going to a church, then you've failed as a parent.


That is most definitely not the point.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:35 AM

Keeve: They interviewed representatives from the church, the school district and the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers. Where exactly does it say that it was the church that initially called the media?


They were free to go forward with the field trip if they wanted? Why would they cancel if they didn't want to make a big f*cking deal about it?
 
2012-12-05 11:33:39 AM

IAmRight: If you're militant about, well, virtually anything involving beliefs and other people's thoughts, you should go off yourself. Intolerant atheists are just as annoying as intolerant Christians - love how many of them in this thread automatically assume "oh hey, look, I bet those other people hate Muslims!" to deflect their whininess.

/not militant because the extent of my outrage is typing this post
//and honestly, I started yawning by the end of typing it


"Militant" with respect to "atheist" is usually just an epithet used to encourage backpedaling and meekness. Which is funny, since apparently the meek get to inherit the Earth. At this point, "militant" is used to describe any atheist with a voiced opinion.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:57 AM

FauxReal: Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig

I didn't make it and I'm not gonna try to shop it clean. But it fits what you posted, so here it is.
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I'm stealing this for facebook. I expect some outrage from bible thumper friends. Hopefully a few drop me.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:59 AM

AbbeySomeone: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.
Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.

Religious people give us plenty of reason to loathe them as well but I have watched that show every year since it came out.


Obviously you DNRTFA.

FTA: The cancellation came as the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers told television station KATV they had received legal advice on pursuing a possible lawsuit against the Little Rock School District.

Unless some of the parents are members of the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers, the parents weren't the ones protesting.
 
2012-12-05 11:34:02 AM
Oh, and for some more historical basis on why claiming Mithra was born on the 25th is silly:

In the 100 ADs, Mithra was often referred to as "Deus Sol Invictus Mithras", or "The Invincible Sun God Mithras." As a result, he is often confused with Sol Invictus (as I did earlier), who was the official Sun God of the Roman Empire starting about 175 years later. From there, people grab onto the fact that there was a ceremony held in 354 AD, on December 25th, entitled "Natalis Invicti", which was a celebration of Sol Invictus. "Natalis Invicti" can possibly be translated as "The birth of the Invicible", or it could simply imply that a temple was being dedicated. That is it. That is the entire basis for the people in this thread claiming that Mithra or Sol Invictus were "born" on the 25th, though why the Romans would think that the sun had a birthday is not entirely clear.
 
2012-12-05 11:34:06 AM
Oh brother...
 
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