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2012-12-05 11:06:18 AM  
The only coward in this story is the pastor of the church who caved into a threat. The Atheists have a right to take legal action and did so according to their beliefs. The school principal took a stand on the issue and handled it in a very appropriate fashion. The actors in the play prepared for what they felt was an appropriate Christmas presentation. If I did not know better, it looks to me like the pastor of the church staged the whole thing very carefully to draw attention to his church.
 
2012-12-05 11:06:56 AM  

t3knomanser: xanadian: It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.

And why aren't children of other faiths offered a similar field trip? Why is one group given an advantage that other groups are not?


No such information is given in TFA. I mean, this IS Faux News, after all. As long as there's *some* level of education about other cultures and religions, you cannot say the school is favoring one particular religion. I expect there's no trips to a mosque for Ramadan because it's harder to justify spending the school budget for a minority interest. ...which opens up a whole DIFFERENT can of worms. Or to allocate time for ALL the potential sources of cultural enrichment? I mean, schools are cutting MUSIC because of their budgets. With that having been said, why do field trips at all unless it's to the museum, I guess...

On a semi-related note, I wonder how the freethinkers' group would've reacted if the Charlie Brown play were held at a public amphitheater, as opposed to a church? Or, even IN the school itself? Hell of a lot of gray areas, depending on what your definition of a "separation of church and state" is. Is it based off of the institution where the play is held? Is it the play at all, despite the fact that it's a traditional play with historical religious overtones (a product of its time)? And, of course, is there any education being done on all the OTHER aspects of Christmas/Yuletide/etc, as well as things like Ramadan and Hanukkah?

Note I didn't include Kwanzaa. What the hell is up with that shiat, anyway!??
 
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2012-12-05 11:07:08 AM  
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2012-12-05 11:07:32 AM  

doyner: JackieRabbit: Recipe for Christians Are Under Attack Attention Whoring:

1. Be a church
2. Sponsor a showing of a Children's cartoon that is about Christmas. Make sure it has a biblical passage
3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school CHURCH4. Make sure the event is highly publicized
5. When some whacked atheist group expresses their butthurt OUTRAGE, cancel the event and contact the media (AWing begets AWing)
6. Profit

FIFY


Whoops, I read too fast... "Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

But the effect is the same.
 
2012-12-05 11:07:37 AM  

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


Yeah, because God atheists forbid kids learn about culture.

Didn't some school take kids to a mosque earlier this year - you know, to learn about culture?

I have know problem with either field trip.
 
2012-12-05 11:07:41 AM  

Rincewind53: Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing


Common sense and quick google search shows that this statement is patently false.
I don't have the time or inclination to refute any of the other crap you're whining about, but feel free to do some research on your own.
 
2012-12-05 11:07:43 AM  

FloydA: Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"?


Do people actually do this?

/would rather do worksheets than listen to that
//not religious
 
2012-12-05 11:08:04 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Oh please.

Moreover, the headline is really misleading. I doubt anyone cares that the kids were going to watch a Charlie Brown Christmas. I think it had more to do with a field trip and took public school students to church.

If I was a parent, I'd prefer my kid's school not take him/her to church. But I admit this ranks kinda low on my list of things to get upset about.
 
2012-12-05 11:08:22 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


Sorry, the grip of His Noodley Appendage is perpetually binding.
 
2012-12-05 11:08:23 AM  

doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.


Apatheist
 
2012-12-05 11:08:28 AM  
I do think its a bit religious for a public school field trip. Still, I wouldn't really care if my kid went.

Hell, I'm an atheist and I OWN a DVD of the Charlie Brown Christmas. It's too cute!
 
2012-12-05 11:08:45 AM  
"Atheist outrage" reported by Fox News? *laughs uncontrollably*
 
2012-12-05 11:08:48 AM  
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The "Charlie Brown Krampus Special" didn't go over so well, either. 


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2012-12-05 11:09:07 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I guess very few people chose to read the article completely. The church cancelled the event voluntarily, then decided to call the media to talk about how they're being oppressed.

The school board and principal were all for going forward with the field trip.

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!


So very, very true. The article also omits the all-too-obvious fact that anyone can watch the Charlie Brown Christmas on network TV, on YouTube or through a home video rental without costing the taxpayers a dime or pulling kids out of class. Good grief!
 
2012-12-05 11:09:09 AM  

Jake Havechek: the Messiah is really long and boring

Well, yeah. I think I listened to the whole thing only once. Opera or opera type stuff has never been my thing. I have just the Chorus on an awesome 2 CD Baroque comp.


I went to see it at the NY Phil around Christmas when I was first dating my last girlfriend. I've never been into opera but she seemed kinda fancy so I figured I'd feign interest in culture and shiat and went along. Managed to stay away until the HC (which predictably did rock). Afterwards as we sat at a bar a few blocks away having some Guinness she looked at me and said "Wow that was farking boring, wasn't it?"

So we got married.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:10 AM  

Mirrorz: Mirrorz: ...we don't except Christ.

...accept Christ, dumbass.

The Freudian slip was more accurate.


No one expects the savior of Mankind!

/and Freud never wore a slip. That was just a Skinnerian lie.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:17 AM  

kronicfeld: The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene


The part where Lucy yanks away Baby Jesus just as Charlie was about to kick it was from the Bible??
 
2012-12-05 11:09:27 AM  

Bf+: [i.imgur.com image 320x240]


Laughter OL. That's great.

/BTW, Peanuts sucks.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:38 AM  

doyner: Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.


Absolutely. It would have had them crying foul for days.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:43 AM  

vernonFL: "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace and goodwill towards men.

.And that's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.


Course, he also believes in The Great Pumpkin so take all that with a grain of salt...

/award myself 3/10
 
2012-12-05 11:09:58 AM  

Rincewind53: Hercules was not a god.
There is no evidence that Horus was born anywhere near December 25th
Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing
Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.


Neither was Jesus Christ. December 25th ties into the solstice traditions, not into any particular deity's birth.
 
2012-12-05 11:10:00 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I must be a different kind of atheist because I don't believe "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" is religious indoctrination.


I agree, to be honest.

Religious indoctrination would never teach us to be tolerant of lesbians like Marcie and Peppermint Patty.

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2012-12-05 11:10:03 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Oh please.


You don't think this is the kind of stuff that makes other people believe all atheists are like this?
 
2012-12-05 11:10:35 AM  

doyner: 3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school CHURCH4


Ayup. The atheist movement has more reason to be concerned about that than the play itself. Hence why I pondered e-aloud about their potential reactions if the play were held elsewhere.

I think they should do A Charlie Brown Christmas in their local Church of Satan. Wouldn't that be fun?

/talk about dividing by zero
 
2012-12-05 11:11:08 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


Which Lord would that be? There are thousands to choose from. Maybe the states should set up some sort of Lord Exchange, where people should see the costs and benefits?
 
2012-12-05 11:11:37 AM  
Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.
 
2012-12-05 11:11:44 AM  

doczoidberg: I'm an atheist, and this shiat annoys the hell out of me.
Why do atheists have to act like such a-holes?

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.


You do realize there are plenty of Jews, Christians, and so on and so forth who also don't actively promote their religion but hold them as private beliefs right? Doesn't make them any less Jew/Christian/etc.

I'm proud to be an atheist. Doesn't mean I don't disagree with some people's approaches to atheism.

Trivia Jockey: Moreover, the headline is really misleading. I doubt anyone cares that the kids were going to watch a Charlie Brown Christmas. I think it had more to do with a field trip and took public school students to church.

If I was a parent, I'd prefer my kid's school not take him/her to church. But I admit this ranks kinda low on my list of things to get upset about.


So long as the kids are also taken to a synagogue or a mosque or where ever, I wouldn't really care.
 
2012-12-05 11:11:45 AM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 215x234]

The "Charlie Brown Krampus Special" didn't go over so well, either. 


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A banana and some electrolytes will take care of those krampus right away. Leg krampus are the worst!!
 
2012-12-05 11:11:46 AM  

doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.


nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.
 
2012-12-05 11:11:52 AM  

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A pagan could believe in both.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:09 AM  

xanadian: Someone forgot to tell these "freethinkers" that they do not have a Constitutional right to not be offended.


I'm an atheist and love the Charlie Brown holiday specials. I actually came in here to poo-poo the article, because Atheist outrage goes overboard sometimes (sometimes, a lot of the time).

But having a public school shuttle kids to a church to watch it... that's different than just watching it in the privacy of your own home. And it's illegal.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:23 AM  
I'm an agnostic leaning towards atheist, and nothing - NOTHING - would make me happier than if the United States were to become a Christian nation. The catch is I mean Christian as in actually following the teachings of Jesus Christ - patience, forgiveness, tolerance, charity, love - not just hating homos and Muslims. I'd even settle for following those 10 commandments people are so anxious to hang in courtrooms.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:30 AM  
What if they changed it to Happy Kwanzaa Charlie Brown:

Link
 
2012-12-05 11:12:40 AM  

dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.


madmikesamerica.com

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:44 AM  

AbbeySomeone: OMG I feel so silly. This thread has shown me that Charlie Brown is merely a tool of the Christian agenda.


Charlie Brown in general? Not really.

The "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" movie? Of course it farking is, it's in the title. It's explicitly religious.
 
2012-12-05 11:13:05 AM  

IAmRight: FloydA: Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"?

Do people actually do this?


No. That's kind of my point. It would be a ridiculous thing to do. Public schools should not be in the business of supporting or endorsing one religion over any other, or of no religion over any. It's simply not their place. Religious teaching should be left up to the parents and their chosen ministers, not government functionaries.
 
2012-12-05 11:13:20 AM  

BronyMedic: Lets try this again. A Charlie Brown Kwanzaa (NSFW)


I'm an atheist and love both the original and the Kwanzaa version.
 
2012-12-05 11:13:57 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: [cache.ohinternet.com image 309x282]

/what Arkansas Society of Freethinkers may look like...


I was thinking the same thing. One would think that a society of free-thinkers would have no problem with someone else's religious beliefs. I guess we are just free to think their way.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:35 AM  

FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist


Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:37 AM  

busy chillin': doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.


My gf is a high school teacher and she spent a day a few months ago teaching about the hajj. No mosque visit but I was actually surprised she didn't get any kind of backlash from either the students or parents. Actually gave me some hope for humanity.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:55 AM  

t3knomanser: R.A.Danny: They may certainly bring kids to religious ceremonies in the name of education.

For the purpose of education, yes, but it's a very fuzzy line. A religious studies class could attend a mass, but you couldn't send the entire 5th grade, for example.


And you couldn't just present one religion, you'd have to present equal time to many religions. There's a difference between being exposed to religion (plural) and being exposed to one religion preferentially, which is the case in TFA.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:56 AM  

busy chillin': doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.


I think taking kids (of an older age than just elementary school) to various temples/churches/etc is a good idea. Explain to them that some people believe that way. Explain where the origins of the beliefs came from and the historical aspects of it. You'd almost be treating churches as museums that way. Hell, even bring up such topics as the Crusades and their impact on the middle ages.

...

Guess it would be cheaper to just talk about it in class, though. Who wants to spend all that public money on field trips IN THIS ECONOMY!??
 
2012-12-05 11:15:09 AM  

Coco LaFemme: You don't think this is the kind of stuff that makes other people believe all atheists are like this?


No...because the people that hate atheists already hate them, merely for being atheists. And many of them don't really understand the concept of 'separation of church and state' anyway, so they'll be mad any time an atheist complains that the separation has been violated. Regardless of what the subject is.
 
2012-12-05 11:15:41 AM  
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A Christmas story we can all enjoy
 
2012-12-05 11:16:01 AM  
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Rolls over in grave
 
2012-12-05 11:16:13 AM  
A lot of Peanuts stuff is really depressing. The music is awesome, though. The Merry Christmas Charlie Brown soundtrack is always on the stereo Christmas morning.

The only thing about Peanuts that ever made me angry was the New Years one. Linus knows that Charlie Brown has always loved the little redhaired girl, but moves in on her anyway. Bros before hos, Linus, bros before hos.
 
2012-12-05 11:16:28 AM  

ghare: R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.

Which Lord would that be? There are thousands to choose from. Maybe the states should set up some sort of Lord Exchange, where people should see the costs and benefits?


I've got 8 Lords a Leaping.
 
2012-12-05 11:16:34 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Trivia Jockey: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Oh please.

You don't think this is the kind of stuff that makes other people believe all atheists are like this?


In all fairness, I suppose most atheists do have an issue with a public school carving out class time to go to a church to watch a religious-themed presentation.

So if atheists are hated for this so be it....that is, unless the same haters would be fine with the class going to see "A Roger Rabbit Ramadan" at the Aliq Aman Mosque too.
 
2012-12-05 11:16:56 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I guess very few people chose to read the article completely. The church cancelled the event voluntarily, then decided to call the media to talk about how they're being oppressed.

The school board and principal were all for going forward with the field trip.

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!


They interviewed representatives from the church, the school district and the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers. Where exactly does it say that it was the church that initially called the media?
 
2012-12-05 11:17:03 AM  

Gunny Highway: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x675]

A Christmas story we can all enjoy


As long as they don't make it into a movie. Hellboy 2 sucked.
 
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