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2012-12-05 10:29:25 AM

t3knomanser: Coco LaFemme: You're kidding, right? THIS WAS VOLUNTARY. As in, not required.

And where was the voluntary activity for the Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc? Sure, the Christians get an optional event that they can enjoy, but nobody else gets an option? So one group gets to go have a day-long field trip to a church, to participate in a religious event, while everybody else sits around and does worksheets for the day? And you believe this is fair?


No, I believe this is a stupid thing to worry about. Too many people give too big of a shiat about religion, whether they're religious themselves or not. It boggles my farking mind sometimes the shiat people will find to complain about. In high school, we went to a Catholic church, a synagogue, a mosque, a Mormon temple, a Baptist church, and a Ba'hai temple. All in the interest of understanding that hey, we aren't alone on this rock, other people live here too. The non-Catholics didn't biatch when we went to the cathedral, the non-Jews didn't biatch when we went to a synagogue, the non-Muslims didn't biatch when we went to a mosque, the non-Mormons didn't biatch when we went to a Mormon temple, the non-Baptists didn't biatch when we went to a Baptist church, and the non-Ba'hai folks didn't biatch when we went there either.

Those trips were all voluntary, if you didn't want to go, you didn't have to. Many of us did though, not just because the architecture in these buildings was stunning, but because it was a chance to LEARN SOMETHING. ZOMG LEARNING IN SCHOOL?!?!! Alert the farking press. I was totally non-religious at this point, having left the church a couple years earlier, so I was totally and completely outside even the sphere the other students were in, and I didn't see these trips as some kind of "Fark you, Coco LaFemme, you filthy non-believer swine" exercise.
 
2012-12-05 10:29:46 AM

R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10


I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.
 
2012-12-05 10:35:11 AM

Rincewind53: R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10

I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.


Perhaps you are genuinely wounded at the mere mention of Jesus. Mea culpa.
 
2012-12-05 10:37:57 AM

SilentStrider: Agnostic here.
A Charlie Brown Christmas is one of the few times where I get to feel like a kid at Christmastime. Given that I'm in my 30's, I cherish this. Because those moments are few and far between.
So if anyone has a problem with Charlie Brown, and my love of it, I say to you this: SCREW YOU.
I didn't RTFA.


FIFY
 
2012-12-05 10:41:02 AM
School wants to take kids to church and someone isn't happy about this? I wouldn't be either if my kid went there...
 
2012-12-05 10:41:36 AM

R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10

I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.

Perhaps you are genuinely wounded at the mere mention of Jesus. Mea culpa.


I'm glad you actually read my posts and saw how I mentioned multiple times that I did not think this was egregious. Good reading skills there, champ.

Oh, and P.S., to all the crowd screaming about humorless atheists ruining Christmas, the school isn't the one that cancelled this. THey hadn't even received a formal complaint. The church cancelled it, after hearing that one of the parents had complained the Freethinkers Society and the Freethinkers Society was (gasp) consulting with their lawyer.
 
2012-12-05 10:44:02 AM

Nabb1: Like Ramada Inn? Why would you do that in a mosque?


Fewer bedbugs.
 
2012-12-05 10:44:09 AM
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2012-12-05 10:48:46 AM

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I really hate that, because the first part gets all of those old gods wrong, based off that stupid "Christianity is just a copy of old religions" image that's been circling the internet for a while.

Hercules was not a god.
There is no evidence that Horus was born anywhere near December 25th
Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing
Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.

Literally every part of that list of gods "born" during Saturnalia is wrong.
 
2012-12-05 10:49:32 AM
Pulling kids out of class to see a church-sponsored play about a religious holiday outside of the context of a religious studies class is clearly over the line of acceptable amounts of religion in school; based on the decisions of our courts.

It doesn't matter if it's voluntary or not, it doesn't belong in school. Take your kids to church on your own damn time.
 
2012-12-05 10:49:54 AM

Rincewind53: Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.


And niether was Jesus, so we're consistent.
 
2012-12-05 10:52:06 AM
I guess very few people chose to read the article completely. The church cancelled the event voluntarily, then decided to call the media to talk about how they're being oppressed.

The school board and principal were all for going forward with the field trip.

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!
 
2012-12-05 10:52:59 AM
I'm a teacher, and I'm an atheist. I keep my opinions about religion out of the classroom, because I have always felt that they really have no business there.

Am I doing it wrong? Should I be proselytizing in favor of atheism in my classroom? Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"? (Voluntarily, of course- the Christians in the class can sit in the classroom and do additional work.)

It never even occurred to me that this might be an appropriate use of class time and school money.
 
2012-12-05 10:56:22 AM
The solstice is the reason for the season

http://elly.org/days/2002/12-25-2002/happy-solstice.jpg Might be a little NSFW
 
2012-12-05 10:56:44 AM
I love that Charlie Brown.
 
2012-12-05 10:56:48 AM
No subby, it's not an atheist outrage. It's a Faux News Fox atheist outrage.
 
2012-12-05 10:57:30 AM

FloydA: I'm a teacher, and I'm an atheist. I keep my opinions about religion out of the classroom, because I have always felt that they really have no business there.

Am I doing it wrong? Should I be proselytizing in favor of atheism in my classroom? Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"? (Voluntarily, of course- the Christians in the class can sit in the classroom and do additional work.)

It never even occurred to me that this might be an appropriate use of class time and school money.


OMG I feel so silly. This thread has shown me that Charlie Brown is merely a tool of the Christian agenda.
/off to rethink my life
 
2012-12-05 10:57:41 AM
And so this is Christmas?
 
2012-12-05 10:57:58 AM
Uhhhh......no.

Shocking that FOX News Channel is wrong yet again.


This atheist enjoys Christmas thoroughly. My favorite piece of Christmas music is Handel's Hallelujah Chorus. My favorite Christmas song is a tie between "The Holly and the Ivy" and "Christmas At Ground Zero" by Weird Al.
 
2012-12-05 10:57:58 AM
the cartoon has a pretty heavyhanded christian message
 
2012-12-05 10:58:11 AM

kronicfeld: The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene


It's not a bad headline, all it needs is a little love.
 
2012-12-05 10:58:34 AM
I think I'm more outraged that anyone would believe Fox News on, well..anything.

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And now, it's time for a Christmas Classic - A Charilie Brown Kwanzaa, the Director's Cut.
 
2012-12-05 10:58:54 AM

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2012-12-05 10:59:18 AM
 
2012-12-05 10:59:40 AM

Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.


I do and I'm a hellbound prick.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:06 AM

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Why? Because we object to religious indoctrination, even if it comes in the form of cartoons?
 
2012-12-05 11:00:16 AM
Recipe for Christians Are Under Attack Attention Whoring:

1. Be a church
2. Sponsor a showing of a Children's cartoon that is about Christmas. Make sure it has a biblical passage
3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school
4. Make sure the event is highly publicized
5. When some whacked atheist group expresses their butthurt OUTRAGE, cancel the event and contact the media (AWing begets AWing)
6. Profit
 
2012-12-05 11:00:28 AM

minoridiot: Aren't field trips optional?


Yes, but this is textbook libtard atheist. If they don't like something, they must make sure NOONE else can make their own decissions.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:42 AM
Not only that, the farking awesome Vince Guaraldi Trio soundtrack.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:46 AM
More like gaythiest.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:56 AM

Jake Havechek: Uhhhh......no.

Shocking that FOX News Channel is wrong yet again.


This atheist enjoys Christmas thoroughly. My favorite piece of Christmas music is Handel's Hallelujah Chorus. My favorite Christmas song is a tie between "The Holly and the Ivy" and "Christmas At Ground Zero" by Weird Al.


just don't have your school orchestra perform that. Mostly because aside from the awesomeness that is the Chorus, the Messiah is really long and boring
 
2012-12-05 11:01:52 AM

Nabb1: kronicfeld: R.A.Danny: It's gotta be better than Santa Claus Conquers the Martians

You leave Pia Zadora out of this.

Lord knows no one ever left anything out of Pia Zadora.


OMG coffee in the sinuses burns!!!!eleventy1!

/Best story is still "She's in the attic!!" even if it isn't true.
 
2012-12-05 11:02:21 AM

JackieRabbit: Recipe for Christians Are Under Attack Attention Whoring:

1. Be a church
2. Sponsor a showing of a Children's cartoon that is about Christmas. Make sure it has a biblical passage
3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school CHURCH4. Make sure the event is highly publicized
5. When some whacked atheist group expresses their butthurt OUTRAGE, cancel the event and contact the media (AWing begets AWing)
6. Profit


FIFY
 
2012-12-05 11:02:31 AM
The parents who stopped this bullshiat deserve a f*cking medal.
 
2012-12-05 11:02:50 AM

NowhereMon: The solstice is the reason for the season


Christmas doesn't fall on the solstice.
 
2012-12-05 11:02:57 AM
Also:

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Jeremiah 10

Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
 
2012-12-05 11:03:17 AM
Fox news is a conspiracy site.
 
2012-12-05 11:03:52 AM
I always liked the cartoon.

I thought it was odd when I was in public school and the Power Team showed up for a pep-rally. Bunch of roided out guys doing stupid stuff like eating phonebooks and blowing up water bottles and then they tell us we are going to burn in hell if we don't except Christ.

I also remember creepy dudes hanging around outside the front doors handing out bibles to everyone a few times a year. Unfortunately there's not much separation between church and state in the south.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:29 AM
I'm an atheist, and this shiat annoys the hell out of me.
Why do atheists have to act like such a-holes?

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:31 AM
the Messiah is really long and boring

Well, yeah. I think I listened to the whole thing only once. Opera or opera type stuff has never been my thing. I have just the Chorus on an awesome 2 CD Baroque comp.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:51 AM
Yet another glorious victory in the War on Christmas.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:51 AM

Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.


And our problem isn't with A Charlie Brown Christmas. It's with a public school taking kids to see a play about Christianity's central character at a church. You know, that whole separation of church and state thing.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:51 AM

AbbeySomeone: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.


A big 'ol pile of this. Heck, I'd pay extra for a DVD with commercials from McDonald's, York Peppermint Patties, and Almond Joy/Mounds

/heh, Mounds...
 
2012-12-05 11:04:58 AM

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


This. It's really not that difficult. There must be hundreds on non-religious cultural events that the kids can be taken to.
 
2012-12-05 11:05:28 AM

doyner: Rincewind53: Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.

And niether was Jesus, so we're consistent.


Boom. Headshot.

Pointing out flaws while ignoring the obvious flaw right next to you is part of the problem.

/another flaw, Linus didn't ask for "Lights?" to go down
//I demand consistency, dammit!
 
2012-12-05 11:05:35 AM

Mirrorz: ...we don't except Christ.


...accept Christ, dumbass.

The Freudian slip was more accurate.
 
2012-12-05 11:05:44 AM
At least it wasn't "Merry Chirstmas, Mr. Lawrence". That might have been traumatic.
 
2012-12-05 11:05:45 AM

AbbeySomeone: FloydA: I'm a teacher, and I'm an atheist. I keep my opinions about religion out of the classroom, because I have always felt that they really have no business there.

Am I doing it wrong? Should I be proselytizing in favor of atheism in my classroom? Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"? (Voluntarily, of course- the Christians in the class can sit in the classroom and do additional work.)

It never even occurred to me that this might be an appropriate use of class time and school money.

OMG I feel so silly. This thread has shown me that Charlie Brown is merely a tool of the Christian agenda.
/off to rethink my life



Does that reply follow logically from my post?

I like the Charlie Brown Christmas, but it's not really educational, it is religious-themed entertainment. That's fine, but it's not the business of public schools to entertain or indoctrinate students. It's the business of public schools to educate the students.

Why would anyone want to leave their children's religious learning up to public school teachers? It seems unwise to me. Aren't parents and ministers better suited to that task?
 
2012-12-05 11:06:09 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Why? Because we object to religious indoctrination, even if it comes in the form of cartoons?


I must be a different kind of atheist because I don't believe "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" is religious indoctrination.
 
2012-12-05 11:06:12 AM

enry: AbbeySomeone: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.

A big 'ol pile of this. Heck, I'd pay extra for a DVD with commercials from McDonald's, York Peppermint Patties, and Almond Joy/Mounds

/heh, Mounds...


Dolly Madison Snack Cakes and Pies.
 
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