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2012-12-05 09:33:01 AM  
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"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace and goodwill towards men.

.And that's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.
 
2012-12-05 09:36:26 AM  
"Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

Non-story, folks. Carving out a few hours from a public school day to take kids to a church to watch a story about how Linus and Charlie Brown are touched by the birth of Christ is clearly over the line.
 
2012-12-05 09:37:14 AM  
The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene
 
2012-12-05 09:39:17 AM  
......and this is why people hate atheists.
 
2012-12-05 09:41:04 AM  
Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.
 
2012-12-05 09:43:02 AM  
As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.
 
2012-12-05 09:45:21 AM  
Aren't field trips optional?
 
2012-12-05 09:45:42 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?
 
2012-12-05 09:45:54 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.

Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.


Religious people give us plenty of reason to loathe them as well but I have watched that show every year since it came out.
 
2012-12-05 09:49:17 AM  
I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.
 
2012-12-05 09:49:58 AM  
I watch the Charlie Brown Christmas show every year, and I'm one of those evil atheist types. The objection was that a school was taking a field trip to a church.
 
2012-12-05 09:50:12 AM  

minoridiot: Aren't field trips optional?


Doesn't matter. As soon as you put kids whose parents opted to have them put on a bus paid for by tax dollars, chaperone by teachers paid by tax dollars, and the kids are counted as present on a school day, and thus get federal funds, you are violating the first amendment.
 
2012-12-05 09:51:02 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


Sorry. I signed Satan's exclusivity deal.
 
2012-12-05 09:51:21 AM  

Cythraul: R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.

Sorry. I signed Satan's exclusivity deal.


So you DO believe?
 
2012-12-05 09:51:42 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


Oh good, you're going to pray. I was concerned you were going to do something that could actually accomplish anything.

No public school should be bringing kids to a performance within explicitly proselytizing tone, much less one that includes passages from a religious text presented in anything but a scholarly fashion.
 
2012-12-05 09:51:44 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


Truth. The All-Father needs more followers. "To You, Dread Lord, I dedicate this battle-field, this harvest of Men!"
 
2012-12-05 09:54:33 AM  

minoridiot: Aren't field trips optional?


Sure. But the question has nothing to do with the children's or parents' consent or ability to opt out, it has to do with the initiation of state action.

The school couldn't say, "Hey, we're taking a 'field trip' to 'watch' Catholic Mass, but you can opt out if you don't want to go" and have it pass muster.
 
2012-12-05 09:54:47 AM  

Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?


Maybe those people need to pull the sticks out of their asses and lighten up. I'm an atheist. We're never going to be a secular society, completely devoid of religious worship. People are going to believe. You can't do a damn thing about that. It's farking Charlie Brown. It's been a while since I've last seen it, but to my recollection, Jesus or the birth of Jesus is mentioned only once in the entire film.

If I had kids, and the school took them to see a play where at one point in the play, a Bible verse was recited, you know what I'd do? Nothing. That's what I'd do. "Oh no, my children were exposed to a point of view that differs from my own, whatever shall I do?" Children have to learn at some point there's different kinds of people in this world. I'd tell them that while I don't believe in God, lots of other people do, and that's just as okay. It's not going to hurt them. They aren't going to burst into flames and become charcoal briquettes.
 
2012-12-05 09:54:49 AM  
This is what it is all about

Still gives me chills
 
2012-12-05 09:56:45 AM  

kronicfeld: The school couldn't say, "Hey, we're taking a 'field trip' to 'watch' Catholic Mass, but you can opt out if you don't want to go" and have it pass muster.


The Bible, the Quran, and other religious writings have been studied in public schools for years, with full legal backing. They may certainly bring kids to religious ceremonies in the name of education.
 
2012-12-05 09:57:02 AM  

Coco LaFemme: We're never going to be a secular society, completely devoid of religious worship.


This exists to protect believers, too. Does this school have no Jews? Muslims? Hindus? Is it right for the school to discriminate against them? Sure, it's an atheist organization that's doing the complaining, but by what right does the school marginalize religious believers that aren't Christian?
 
2012-12-05 09:57:10 AM  

AbbeySomeone: If you are offended don't let your kids go.


I don't think anyone's offended by the cartoon/play. What they take offense to is the school-sponsored religious activity.
 
2012-12-05 09:57:47 AM  

R.A.Danny: They may certainly bring kids to religious ceremonies in the name of education.


For the purpose of education, yes, but it's a very fuzzy line. A religious studies class could attend a mass, but you couldn't send the entire 5th grade, for example.
 
2012-12-05 10:00:57 AM  

t3knomanser: Coco LaFemme: We're never going to be a secular society, completely devoid of religious worship.

This exists to protect believers, too. Does this school have no Jews? Muslims? Hindus? Is it right for the school to discriminate against them? Sure, it's an atheist organization that's doing the complaining, but by what right does the school marginalize religious believers that aren't Christian?


How is this marginalizing them? Is it telling them they're less than human or not as good as Christians? Is it devaluing their religious beliefs and/or mocking them?
 
2012-12-05 10:01:10 AM  

R.A.Danny: The Bible, the Quran, and other religious writings have been studied in public schools for years, with full legal backing. They may certainly bring kids to religious ceremonies in the name of education.


If they're going to have a scholarly discussion about the religious themes in the play upon returning to school and explore comparative religious education regarding the historical origins of Christmas (including Saturnalia and pagans) and other religions' observances, then of course it is legitimate. Somehow, though, I doubt that is what is happening.
 
2012-12-05 10:01:29 AM  

t3knomanser: For the purpose of education, yes, but it's a very fuzzy line. A religious studies class could attend a mass, but you couldn't send the entire 5th grade, for example.


Of course. I wasn't speaking in absolutes.

t3knomanser: This exists to protect believers, too. Does this school have no Jews? Muslims? Hindus? Is it right for the school to discriminate against them? Sure, it's an atheist organization that's doing the complaining, but by what right does the school marginalize religious believers that aren't Christian?


Having served in the USMC I was thankful for the opportunity to see how people worship in many places in the world. Absolutely fascinating.
 
2012-12-05 10:02:39 AM  
He said it was clear "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" did not pose a constitutional issue.

"Christmas is a Christian holiday - hence it's name - Christmas," the pastor wrote in his statement. "Our program addresses its origins with light-hearted songs and theatre. The context of the birth of Christ is broadly described in both Old and New Testament texts."


Whooooooooooooooooooosh.
 
2012-12-05 10:02:44 AM  

kronicfeld: If they're going to have a scholarly discussion about the religious themes in the play upon returning to school and explore comparative religious education regarding the historical origins of Christmas (including Saturnalia and pagans) and other religions' observances, then of course it is legitimate. Somehow, though, I doubt that is what is happening.


It's gotta be better than Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
 
2012-12-05 10:04:52 AM  

R.A.Danny: It's gotta be better than Santa Claus Conquers the Martians


You leave Pia Zadora out of this.
 
2012-12-05 10:05:07 AM  
I don't see the harm really - Jesus is as real as Santa Claus after all. Most bright kids understand its a big game of make believe and will do fine in college once they are deprogrammed by their marxist socialist hippie professors...
 
2012-12-05 10:08:02 AM  

kronicfeld: R.A.Danny: It's gotta be better than Santa Claus Conquers the Martians

You leave Pia Zadora out of this.


Lord knows no one ever left anything out of Pia Zadora.
 
2012-12-05 10:09:02 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Is it telling them they're ... not as good as Christians?


Yes. The Christians get a special treat about their holiday myths. No one else does. Giving one group a reward while withholding similar rewards from other groups is the core of marginalization.

R.A.Danny: It's gotta be better than Santa Claus Conquers the Martians


Which at least is overwhelmingly secular in its approach to Christmas. It would be much more acceptable than Charlie Brown.

Part of the overall confusion, I think, is that America has two Christmases. There is Christmas as a solstice celebration, with decorated trees and the exchange of gifts, deeply steeped in Nordic mythology but more-or-less secular. Then there is Christmas as the Christian religious holiday. The former is suitable for celebration by public institutions, but the latter is not.

//The MST3K of Santa Claus and Santa Claus Conquers the Martians are Christmas traditions in my house.
 
2012-12-05 10:10:12 AM  
hello? yes, this is atheist.

i love a charlie brown christmas. and the biblical content doesn't bother me one bit. it's just as fictional as the rest of the story, but it's sweet in its intent. sometimes people should just STFU and relax.
 
2012-12-05 10:10:39 AM  
FTFA: Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip.

Society of Freethinkers, indeed.
 
2012-12-05 10:11:23 AM  

FlashHarry: hello? yes, this is atheist.

i love a charlie brown christmas. and the biblical content doesn't bother me one bit. it's just as fictional as the rest of the story, but it's sweet in its intent. sometimes people should just STFU and relax.


Someone forgot to tell these "freethinkers" that they do not have a Constitutional right to not be offended.
 
2012-12-05 10:12:24 AM  
At first I thought it was ridiculous but I never saw the Christmas special and I didn't know it was quite that religious in nature. Someone up-thread is right, if this was "It's Ramada, Charlie Brown" held in a mosque, people would be rioting in the streets. All or nothing.
 
2012-12-05 10:13:21 AM  

Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?


....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.
 
2012-12-05 10:14:44 AM  

t3knomanser: Coco LaFemme: Is it telling them they're ... not as good as Christians?

Yes. The Christians get a special treat about their holiday myths. No one else does. Giving one group a reward while withholding similar rewards from other groups is the core of marginalization.


You're kidding, right? THIS WAS VOLUNTARY. As in, not required. If you, as a non-Christian, didn't feel comfortable with your child attending a play held in a church.....you didn't send the little snot and all was well. How is a totally voluntary field trip "marginalizing" someone? If every student was forced to attend and then write a report on Christianity, I could see and support the outrage but for fark's sake.....this is people whining for the sake of whining.
 
2012-12-05 10:15:01 AM  

xanadian: It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.


And why aren't children of other faiths offered a similar field trip? Why is one group given an advantage that other groups are not?
 
2012-12-05 10:15:25 AM  

Mugato: At first I thought it was ridiculous but I never saw the Christmas special and I didn't know it was quite that religious in nature. Someone up-thread is right, if this was "It's Ramada, Charlie Brown" held in a mosque, people would be rioting in the streets. All or nothing.


Like Ramada Inn? Why would you do that in a mosque?
 
2012-12-05 10:16:29 AM  

xanadian: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.


Look, I don't think this is particularly egregious and I don't actually have much of a problem with it myself. But I can see why some people might, especially with the statement from the pastor explaining that this is to explain the origins of Christmas. Also, the "Well, you don't have to come" argument doesn't give the school the right to do otherwise impermissible things. It's about school sponsorship, and who wants to be the kid who has to explain to his classmates why he isn't going along with everyone else? If the school took a "field trip" to a megachurch to go see Billy Graham, and made it "optional", it'd still be unconstitutional as hell.
 
2012-12-05 10:16:40 AM  

Nabb1: Mugato: At first I thought it was ridiculous but I never saw the Christmas special and I didn't know it was quite that religious in nature. Someone up-thread is right, if this was "It's Ramada, Charlie Brown" held in a mosque, people would be rioting in the streets. All or nothing.

Like Ramada Inn? Why would you do that in a mosque?


Damned racist auto-correct.
 
2012-12-05 10:16:56 AM  

Coco LaFemme: You're kidding, right? THIS WAS VOLUNTARY. As in, not required.


And where was the voluntary activity for the Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc? Sure, the Christians get an optional event that they can enjoy, but nobody else gets an option? So one group gets to go have a day-long field trip to a church, to participate in a religious event, while everybody else sits around and does worksheets for the day? And you believe this is fair?
 
2012-12-05 10:17:13 AM  
I was always told that if you don't love baby Jesus, Charlie Brown will kill you in your sleep.
 
2012-12-05 10:18:06 AM  

Nabb1: I was always told that if you don't love baby Jesus, Charlie Brown will kill you in your sleep.


I had a cousin that died that way. When they found him, Snoopy was chewing on his entrails.
 
2012-12-05 10:20:11 AM  

t3knomanser: Nabb1: I was always told that if you don't love baby Jesus, Charlie Brown will kill you in your sleep.

I had a cousin that died that way. When they found him, Snoopy was chewing on his entrails.


You can only have that football taken away from you so many times before you snap.
 
2012-12-05 10:23:21 AM  

t3knomanser: Coco LaFemme: You're kidding, right? THIS WAS VOLUNTARY. As in, not required.

And where was the voluntary activity for the Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc? Sure, the Christians get an optional event that they can enjoy, but nobody else gets an option? So one group gets to go have a day-long field trip to a church, to participate in a religious event, while everybody else sits around and does worksheets for the day? And you believe this is fair?


Oh please. Feeble bullsh*t and weak attempt. Charlie Brown can be enjoyed by anyone without a stick up their ass.
I will give you a generous 7/10.
 
2012-12-05 10:27:28 AM  

AbbeySomeone: t3knomanser: Coco LaFemme: You're kidding, right? THIS WAS VOLUNTARY. As in, not required.

And where was the voluntary activity for the Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc? Sure, the Christians get an optional event that they can enjoy, but nobody else gets an option? So one group gets to go have a day-long field trip to a church, to participate in a religious event, while everybody else sits around and does worksheets for the day? And you believe this is fair?

Oh please. Feeble bullsh*t and weak attempt. Charlie Brown can be enjoyed by anyone without a stick up their ass.
I will give you a generous 7/10.


Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

/again, I don't think this particular case is egregious, but I think it's okay to err on the side of caution when government sponsorship of religion is at stake. And clearly here some parents were unhappy about sending their children to a church to see an allegorical play about the birth of Jesus.
 
2012-12-05 10:27:45 AM  
Agnostic here.
A Charlie Brown Christmas is one of the few times where I get to feel like a kid at Christmastime. Given that I'm in my 30's, I cherish this. Because those moments are few and far between.
So if anyone has a problem with Charlie Brown, and my love of it, I say to you this: SCREW YOU.
 
2012-12-05 10:28:53 AM  

Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!


Down to about 4/10
 
2012-12-05 10:29:25 AM  

t3knomanser: Coco LaFemme: You're kidding, right? THIS WAS VOLUNTARY. As in, not required.

And where was the voluntary activity for the Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc? Sure, the Christians get an optional event that they can enjoy, but nobody else gets an option? So one group gets to go have a day-long field trip to a church, to participate in a religious event, while everybody else sits around and does worksheets for the day? And you believe this is fair?


No, I believe this is a stupid thing to worry about. Too many people give too big of a shiat about religion, whether they're religious themselves or not. It boggles my farking mind sometimes the shiat people will find to complain about. In high school, we went to a Catholic church, a synagogue, a mosque, a Mormon temple, a Baptist church, and a Ba'hai temple. All in the interest of understanding that hey, we aren't alone on this rock, other people live here too. The non-Catholics didn't biatch when we went to the cathedral, the non-Jews didn't biatch when we went to a synagogue, the non-Muslims didn't biatch when we went to a mosque, the non-Mormons didn't biatch when we went to a Mormon temple, the non-Baptists didn't biatch when we went to a Baptist church, and the non-Ba'hai folks didn't biatch when we went there either.

Those trips were all voluntary, if you didn't want to go, you didn't have to. Many of us did though, not just because the architecture in these buildings was stunning, but because it was a chance to LEARN SOMETHING. ZOMG LEARNING IN SCHOOL?!?!! Alert the farking press. I was totally non-religious at this point, having left the church a couple years earlier, so I was totally and completely outside even the sphere the other students were in, and I didn't see these trips as some kind of "Fark you, Coco LaFemme, you filthy non-believer swine" exercise.
 
2012-12-05 10:29:46 AM  

R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10


I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.
 
2012-12-05 10:35:11 AM  

Rincewind53: R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10

I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.


Perhaps you are genuinely wounded at the mere mention of Jesus. Mea culpa.
 
2012-12-05 10:37:57 AM  

SilentStrider: Agnostic here.
A Charlie Brown Christmas is one of the few times where I get to feel like a kid at Christmastime. Given that I'm in my 30's, I cherish this. Because those moments are few and far between.
So if anyone has a problem with Charlie Brown, and my love of it, I say to you this: SCREW YOU.
I didn't RTFA.


FIFY
 
2012-12-05 10:41:02 AM  
School wants to take kids to church and someone isn't happy about this? I wouldn't be either if my kid went there...
 
2012-12-05 10:41:36 AM  

R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10

I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.

Perhaps you are genuinely wounded at the mere mention of Jesus. Mea culpa.


I'm glad you actually read my posts and saw how I mentioned multiple times that I did not think this was egregious. Good reading skills there, champ.

Oh, and P.S., to all the crowd screaming about humorless atheists ruining Christmas, the school isn't the one that cancelled this. THey hadn't even received a formal complaint. The church cancelled it, after hearing that one of the parents had complained the Freethinkers Society and the Freethinkers Society was (gasp) consulting with their lawyer.
 
2012-12-05 10:44:02 AM  

Nabb1: Like Ramada Inn? Why would you do that in a mosque?


Fewer bedbugs.
 
2012-12-05 10:44:09 AM  
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2012-12-05 10:48:46 AM  

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I really hate that, because the first part gets all of those old gods wrong, based off that stupid "Christianity is just a copy of old religions" image that's been circling the internet for a while.

Hercules was not a god.
There is no evidence that Horus was born anywhere near December 25th
Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing
Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.

Literally every part of that list of gods "born" during Saturnalia is wrong.
 
2012-12-05 10:49:32 AM  
Pulling kids out of class to see a church-sponsored play about a religious holiday outside of the context of a religious studies class is clearly over the line of acceptable amounts of religion in school; based on the decisions of our courts.

It doesn't matter if it's voluntary or not, it doesn't belong in school. Take your kids to church on your own damn time.
 
2012-12-05 10:49:54 AM  

Rincewind53: Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.


And niether was Jesus, so we're consistent.
 
2012-12-05 10:52:06 AM  
I guess very few people chose to read the article completely. The church cancelled the event voluntarily, then decided to call the media to talk about how they're being oppressed.

The school board and principal were all for going forward with the field trip.

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!
 
2012-12-05 10:52:59 AM  
I'm a teacher, and I'm an atheist. I keep my opinions about religion out of the classroom, because I have always felt that they really have no business there.

Am I doing it wrong? Should I be proselytizing in favor of atheism in my classroom? Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"? (Voluntarily, of course- the Christians in the class can sit in the classroom and do additional work.)

It never even occurred to me that this might be an appropriate use of class time and school money.
 
2012-12-05 10:56:22 AM  
The solstice is the reason for the season

http://elly.org/days/2002/12-25-2002/happy-solstice.jpg Might be a little NSFW
 
2012-12-05 10:56:44 AM  
I love that Charlie Brown.
 
2012-12-05 10:56:48 AM  
No subby, it's not an atheist outrage. It's a Faux News Fox atheist outrage.
 
2012-12-05 10:57:30 AM  

FloydA: I'm a teacher, and I'm an atheist. I keep my opinions about religion out of the classroom, because I have always felt that they really have no business there.

Am I doing it wrong? Should I be proselytizing in favor of atheism in my classroom? Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"? (Voluntarily, of course- the Christians in the class can sit in the classroom and do additional work.)

It never even occurred to me that this might be an appropriate use of class time and school money.


OMG I feel so silly. This thread has shown me that Charlie Brown is merely a tool of the Christian agenda.
/off to rethink my life
 
2012-12-05 10:57:41 AM  
And so this is Christmas?
 
2012-12-05 10:57:58 AM  
Uhhhh......no.

Shocking that FOX News Channel is wrong yet again.


This atheist enjoys Christmas thoroughly. My favorite piece of Christmas music is Handel's Hallelujah Chorus. My favorite Christmas song is a tie between "The Holly and the Ivy" and "Christmas At Ground Zero" by Weird Al.
 
2012-12-05 10:57:58 AM  
the cartoon has a pretty heavyhanded christian message
 
2012-12-05 10:58:11 AM  

kronicfeld: The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene


It's not a bad headline, all it needs is a little love.
 
2012-12-05 10:58:34 AM  
I think I'm more outraged that anyone would believe Fox News on, well..anything.

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And now, it's time for a Christmas Classic - A Charilie Brown Kwanzaa, the Director's Cut.
 
2012-12-05 10:58:54 AM  

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2012-12-05 10:59:18 AM  
 
2012-12-05 10:59:40 AM  

Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.


I do and I'm a hellbound prick.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:06 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Why? Because we object to religious indoctrination, even if it comes in the form of cartoons?
 
2012-12-05 11:00:16 AM  
Recipe for Christians Are Under Attack Attention Whoring:

1. Be a church
2. Sponsor a showing of a Children's cartoon that is about Christmas. Make sure it has a biblical passage
3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school
4. Make sure the event is highly publicized
5. When some whacked atheist group expresses their butthurt OUTRAGE, cancel the event and contact the media (AWing begets AWing)
6. Profit
 
2012-12-05 11:00:28 AM  

minoridiot: Aren't field trips optional?


Yes, but this is textbook libtard atheist. If they don't like something, they must make sure NOONE else can make their own decissions.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:42 AM  
Not only that, the farking awesome Vince Guaraldi Trio soundtrack.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:46 AM  
More like gaythiest.
 
2012-12-05 11:00:56 AM  

Jake Havechek: Uhhhh......no.

Shocking that FOX News Channel is wrong yet again.


This atheist enjoys Christmas thoroughly. My favorite piece of Christmas music is Handel's Hallelujah Chorus. My favorite Christmas song is a tie between "The Holly and the Ivy" and "Christmas At Ground Zero" by Weird Al.


just don't have your school orchestra perform that. Mostly because aside from the awesomeness that is the Chorus, the Messiah is really long and boring
 
2012-12-05 11:01:52 AM  

Nabb1: kronicfeld: R.A.Danny: It's gotta be better than Santa Claus Conquers the Martians

You leave Pia Zadora out of this.

Lord knows no one ever left anything out of Pia Zadora.


OMG coffee in the sinuses burns!!!!eleventy1!

/Best story is still "She's in the attic!!" even if it isn't true.
 
2012-12-05 11:02:21 AM  

JackieRabbit: Recipe for Christians Are Under Attack Attention Whoring:

1. Be a church
2. Sponsor a showing of a Children's cartoon that is about Christmas. Make sure it has a biblical passage
3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school CHURCH4. Make sure the event is highly publicized
5. When some whacked atheist group expresses their butthurt OUTRAGE, cancel the event and contact the media (AWing begets AWing)
6. Profit


FIFY
 
2012-12-05 11:02:31 AM  
The parents who stopped this bullshiat deserve a f*cking medal.
 
2012-12-05 11:02:50 AM  

NowhereMon: The solstice is the reason for the season


Christmas doesn't fall on the solstice.
 
2012-12-05 11:02:57 AM  
Also:

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Jeremiah 10

Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
 
2012-12-05 11:03:17 AM  
Fox news is a conspiracy site.
 
2012-12-05 11:03:52 AM  
I always liked the cartoon.

I thought it was odd when I was in public school and the Power Team showed up for a pep-rally. Bunch of roided out guys doing stupid stuff like eating phonebooks and blowing up water bottles and then they tell us we are going to burn in hell if we don't except Christ.

I also remember creepy dudes hanging around outside the front doors handing out bibles to everyone a few times a year. Unfortunately there's not much separation between church and state in the south.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:29 AM  
I'm an atheist, and this shiat annoys the hell out of me.
Why do atheists have to act like such a-holes?

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:31 AM  
the Messiah is really long and boring

Well, yeah. I think I listened to the whole thing only once. Opera or opera type stuff has never been my thing. I have just the Chorus on an awesome 2 CD Baroque comp.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:51 AM  
Yet another glorious victory in the War on Christmas.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:51 AM  

Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.


And our problem isn't with A Charlie Brown Christmas. It's with a public school taking kids to see a play about Christianity's central character at a church. You know, that whole separation of church and state thing.
 
2012-12-05 11:04:51 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.


A big 'ol pile of this. Heck, I'd pay extra for a DVD with commercials from McDonald's, York Peppermint Patties, and Almond Joy/Mounds

/heh, Mounds...
 
2012-12-05 11:04:58 AM  

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


This. It's really not that difficult. There must be hundreds on non-religious cultural events that the kids can be taken to.
 
2012-12-05 11:05:28 AM  

doyner: Rincewind53: Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.

And niether was Jesus, so we're consistent.


Boom. Headshot.

Pointing out flaws while ignoring the obvious flaw right next to you is part of the problem.

/another flaw, Linus didn't ask for "Lights?" to go down
//I demand consistency, dammit!
 
2012-12-05 11:05:35 AM  

Mirrorz: ...we don't except Christ.


...accept Christ, dumbass.

The Freudian slip was more accurate.
 
2012-12-05 11:05:44 AM  
At least it wasn't "Merry Chirstmas, Mr. Lawrence". That might have been traumatic.
 
2012-12-05 11:05:45 AM  

AbbeySomeone: FloydA: I'm a teacher, and I'm an atheist. I keep my opinions about religion out of the classroom, because I have always felt that they really have no business there.

Am I doing it wrong? Should I be proselytizing in favor of atheism in my classroom? Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"? (Voluntarily, of course- the Christians in the class can sit in the classroom and do additional work.)

It never even occurred to me that this might be an appropriate use of class time and school money.

OMG I feel so silly. This thread has shown me that Charlie Brown is merely a tool of the Christian agenda.
/off to rethink my life



Does that reply follow logically from my post?

I like the Charlie Brown Christmas, but it's not really educational, it is religious-themed entertainment. That's fine, but it's not the business of public schools to entertain or indoctrinate students. It's the business of public schools to educate the students.

Why would anyone want to leave their children's religious learning up to public school teachers? It seems unwise to me. Aren't parents and ministers better suited to that task?
 
2012-12-05 11:06:09 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Why? Because we object to religious indoctrination, even if it comes in the form of cartoons?


I must be a different kind of atheist because I don't believe "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" is religious indoctrination.
 
2012-12-05 11:06:12 AM  

enry: AbbeySomeone: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.

A big 'ol pile of this. Heck, I'd pay extra for a DVD with commercials from McDonald's, York Peppermint Patties, and Almond Joy/Mounds

/heh, Mounds...


Dolly Madison Snack Cakes and Pies.
 
2012-12-05 11:06:18 AM  
The only coward in this story is the pastor of the church who caved into a threat. The Atheists have a right to take legal action and did so according to their beliefs. The school principal took a stand on the issue and handled it in a very appropriate fashion. The actors in the play prepared for what they felt was an appropriate Christmas presentation. If I did not know better, it looks to me like the pastor of the church staged the whole thing very carefully to draw attention to his church.
 
2012-12-05 11:06:56 AM  

t3knomanser: xanadian: It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.

And why aren't children of other faiths offered a similar field trip? Why is one group given an advantage that other groups are not?


No such information is given in TFA. I mean, this IS Faux News, after all. As long as there's *some* level of education about other cultures and religions, you cannot say the school is favoring one particular religion. I expect there's no trips to a mosque for Ramadan because it's harder to justify spending the school budget for a minority interest. ...which opens up a whole DIFFERENT can of worms. Or to allocate time for ALL the potential sources of cultural enrichment? I mean, schools are cutting MUSIC because of their budgets. With that having been said, why do field trips at all unless it's to the museum, I guess...

On a semi-related note, I wonder how the freethinkers' group would've reacted if the Charlie Brown play were held at a public amphitheater, as opposed to a church? Or, even IN the school itself? Hell of a lot of gray areas, depending on what your definition of a "separation of church and state" is. Is it based off of the institution where the play is held? Is it the play at all, despite the fact that it's a traditional play with historical religious overtones (a product of its time)? And, of course, is there any education being done on all the OTHER aspects of Christmas/Yuletide/etc, as well as things like Ramadan and Hanukkah?

Note I didn't include Kwanzaa. What the hell is up with that shiat, anyway!??
 
Bf+
2012-12-05 11:07:08 AM  
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2012-12-05 11:07:32 AM  

doyner: JackieRabbit: Recipe for Christians Are Under Attack Attention Whoring:

1. Be a church
2. Sponsor a showing of a Children's cartoon that is about Christmas. Make sure it has a biblical passage
3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school CHURCH4. Make sure the event is highly publicized
5. When some whacked atheist group expresses their butthurt OUTRAGE, cancel the event and contact the media (AWing begets AWing)
6. Profit

FIFY


Whoops, I read too fast... "Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

But the effect is the same.
 
2012-12-05 11:07:37 AM  

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


Yeah, because God atheists forbid kids learn about culture.

Didn't some school take kids to a mosque earlier this year - you know, to learn about culture?

I have know problem with either field trip.
 
2012-12-05 11:07:41 AM  

Rincewind53: Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing


Common sense and quick google search shows that this statement is patently false.
I don't have the time or inclination to refute any of the other crap you're whining about, but feel free to do some research on your own.
 
2012-12-05 11:07:43 AM  

FloydA: Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"?


Do people actually do this?

/would rather do worksheets than listen to that
//not religious
 
2012-12-05 11:08:04 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


Oh please.

Moreover, the headline is really misleading. I doubt anyone cares that the kids were going to watch a Charlie Brown Christmas. I think it had more to do with a field trip and took public school students to church.

If I was a parent, I'd prefer my kid's school not take him/her to church. But I admit this ranks kinda low on my list of things to get upset about.
 
2012-12-05 11:08:22 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


Sorry, the grip of His Noodley Appendage is perpetually binding.
 
2012-12-05 11:08:23 AM  

doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.


Apatheist
 
2012-12-05 11:08:28 AM  
I do think its a bit religious for a public school field trip. Still, I wouldn't really care if my kid went.

Hell, I'm an atheist and I OWN a DVD of the Charlie Brown Christmas. It's too cute!
 
2012-12-05 11:08:45 AM  
"Atheist outrage" reported by Fox News? *laughs uncontrollably*
 
2012-12-05 11:08:48 AM  
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The "Charlie Brown Krampus Special" didn't go over so well, either. 


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2012-12-05 11:09:07 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I guess very few people chose to read the article completely. The church cancelled the event voluntarily, then decided to call the media to talk about how they're being oppressed.

The school board and principal were all for going forward with the field trip.

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!


So very, very true. The article also omits the all-too-obvious fact that anyone can watch the Charlie Brown Christmas on network TV, on YouTube or through a home video rental without costing the taxpayers a dime or pulling kids out of class. Good grief!
 
2012-12-05 11:09:09 AM  

Jake Havechek: the Messiah is really long and boring

Well, yeah. I think I listened to the whole thing only once. Opera or opera type stuff has never been my thing. I have just the Chorus on an awesome 2 CD Baroque comp.


I went to see it at the NY Phil around Christmas when I was first dating my last girlfriend. I've never been into opera but she seemed kinda fancy so I figured I'd feign interest in culture and shiat and went along. Managed to stay away until the HC (which predictably did rock). Afterwards as we sat at a bar a few blocks away having some Guinness she looked at me and said "Wow that was farking boring, wasn't it?"

So we got married.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:10 AM  

Mirrorz: Mirrorz: ...we don't except Christ.

...accept Christ, dumbass.

The Freudian slip was more accurate.


No one expects the savior of Mankind!

/and Freud never wore a slip. That was just a Skinnerian lie.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:17 AM  

kronicfeld: The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene


The part where Lucy yanks away Baby Jesus just as Charlie was about to kick it was from the Bible??
 
2012-12-05 11:09:27 AM  

Bf+: [i.imgur.com image 320x240]


Laughter OL. That's great.

/BTW, Peanuts sucks.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:38 AM  

doyner: Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.


Absolutely. It would have had them crying foul for days.
 
2012-12-05 11:09:43 AM  

vernonFL: "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace and goodwill towards men.

.And that's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.


Course, he also believes in The Great Pumpkin so take all that with a grain of salt...

/award myself 3/10
 
2012-12-05 11:09:58 AM  

Rincewind53: Hercules was not a god.
There is no evidence that Horus was born anywhere near December 25th
Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing
Zeus wasn't born on December 25th
Mithra wasn't born on December 25th.


Neither was Jesus Christ. December 25th ties into the solstice traditions, not into any particular deity's birth.
 
2012-12-05 11:10:00 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I must be a different kind of atheist because I don't believe "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" is religious indoctrination.


I agree, to be honest.

Religious indoctrination would never teach us to be tolerant of lesbians like Marcie and Peppermint Patty.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-05 11:10:03 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Oh please.


You don't think this is the kind of stuff that makes other people believe all atheists are like this?
 
2012-12-05 11:10:35 AM  

doyner: 3. Schedule the showing at a public elementary school CHURCH4


Ayup. The atheist movement has more reason to be concerned about that than the play itself. Hence why I pondered e-aloud about their potential reactions if the play were held elsewhere.

I think they should do A Charlie Brown Christmas in their local Church of Satan. Wouldn't that be fun?

/talk about dividing by zero
 
2012-12-05 11:10:38 AM  
cache.ohinternet.com

/what Arkansas Society of Freethinkers may look like...
 
2012-12-05 11:11:08 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


Which Lord would that be? There are thousands to choose from. Maybe the states should set up some sort of Lord Exchange, where people should see the costs and benefits?
 
2012-12-05 11:11:37 AM  
Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.
 
2012-12-05 11:11:44 AM  

doczoidberg: I'm an atheist, and this shiat annoys the hell out of me.
Why do atheists have to act like such a-holes?

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.


You do realize there are plenty of Jews, Christians, and so on and so forth who also don't actively promote their religion but hold them as private beliefs right? Doesn't make them any less Jew/Christian/etc.

I'm proud to be an atheist. Doesn't mean I don't disagree with some people's approaches to atheism.

Trivia Jockey: Moreover, the headline is really misleading. I doubt anyone cares that the kids were going to watch a Charlie Brown Christmas. I think it had more to do with a field trip and took public school students to church.

If I was a parent, I'd prefer my kid's school not take him/her to church. But I admit this ranks kinda low on my list of things to get upset about.


So long as the kids are also taken to a synagogue or a mosque or where ever, I wouldn't really care.
 
2012-12-05 11:11:45 AM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 215x234]

The "Charlie Brown Krampus Special" didn't go over so well, either. 


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A banana and some electrolytes will take care of those krampus right away. Leg krampus are the worst!!
 
2012-12-05 11:11:46 AM  

doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.


nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.
 
2012-12-05 11:11:52 AM  

Bf+: [i.imgur.com image 320x240]


A pagan could believe in both.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:09 AM  

xanadian: Someone forgot to tell these "freethinkers" that they do not have a Constitutional right to not be offended.


I'm an atheist and love the Charlie Brown holiday specials. I actually came in here to poo-poo the article, because Atheist outrage goes overboard sometimes (sometimes, a lot of the time).

But having a public school shuttle kids to a church to watch it... that's different than just watching it in the privacy of your own home. And it's illegal.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:23 AM  
I'm an agnostic leaning towards atheist, and nothing - NOTHING - would make me happier than if the United States were to become a Christian nation. The catch is I mean Christian as in actually following the teachings of Jesus Christ - patience, forgiveness, tolerance, charity, love - not just hating homos and Muslims. I'd even settle for following those 10 commandments people are so anxious to hang in courtrooms.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:30 AM  
What if they changed it to Happy Kwanzaa Charlie Brown:

Link
 
2012-12-05 11:12:40 AM  

dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.


madmikesamerica.com

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:44 AM  

AbbeySomeone: OMG I feel so silly. This thread has shown me that Charlie Brown is merely a tool of the Christian agenda.


Charlie Brown in general? Not really.

The "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" movie? Of course it farking is, it's in the title. It's explicitly religious.
 
2012-12-05 11:13:05 AM  

IAmRight: FloydA: Would it be appropriate for me to take my students to a reading of Bertrand Russell's "Why I Am Not a Christian"?

Do people actually do this?


No. That's kind of my point. It would be a ridiculous thing to do. Public schools should not be in the business of supporting or endorsing one religion over any other, or of no religion over any. It's simply not their place. Religious teaching should be left up to the parents and their chosen ministers, not government functionaries.
 
2012-12-05 11:13:57 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: [cache.ohinternet.com image 309x282]

/what Arkansas Society of Freethinkers may look like...


I was thinking the same thing. One would think that a society of free-thinkers would have no problem with someone else's religious beliefs. I guess we are just free to think their way.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:18 AM  

dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
/Some just want to watch the world burn
 
2012-12-05 11:14:35 AM  

FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist


Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:37 AM  

busy chillin': doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.


My gf is a high school teacher and she spent a day a few months ago teaching about the hajj. No mosque visit but I was actually surprised she didn't get any kind of backlash from either the students or parents. Actually gave me some hope for humanity.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:55 AM  

t3knomanser: R.A.Danny: They may certainly bring kids to religious ceremonies in the name of education.

For the purpose of education, yes, but it's a very fuzzy line. A religious studies class could attend a mass, but you couldn't send the entire 5th grade, for example.


And you couldn't just present one religion, you'd have to present equal time to many religions. There's a difference between being exposed to religion (plural) and being exposed to one religion preferentially, which is the case in TFA.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:56 AM  

busy chillin': doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.


I think taking kids (of an older age than just elementary school) to various temples/churches/etc is a good idea. Explain to them that some people believe that way. Explain where the origins of the beliefs came from and the historical aspects of it. You'd almost be treating churches as museums that way. Hell, even bring up such topics as the Crusades and their impact on the middle ages.

...

Guess it would be cheaper to just talk about it in class, though. Who wants to spend all that public money on field trips IN THIS ECONOMY!??
 
2012-12-05 11:15:08 AM  

BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.


I think that picture needs updating
 
2012-12-05 11:15:09 AM  

Coco LaFemme: You don't think this is the kind of stuff that makes other people believe all atheists are like this?


No...because the people that hate atheists already hate them, merely for being atheists. And many of them don't really understand the concept of 'separation of church and state' anyway, so they'll be mad any time an atheist complains that the separation has been violated. Regardless of what the subject is.
 
2012-12-05 11:15:41 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com

A Christmas story we can all enjoy
 
2012-12-05 11:15:51 AM  

JackieRabbit: HindiDiscoMonster: [cache.ohinternet.com image 309x282]

/what Arkansas Society of Freethinkers may look like...

I was thinking the same thing. One would think that a society of free-thinkers would have no problem with someone else's religious beliefs. I guess we are just free to think their way.


winner winner chicken dinner
 
2012-12-05 11:16:01 AM  
pilateslogic.com

Rolls over in grave
 
2012-12-05 11:16:13 AM  
A lot of Peanuts stuff is really depressing. The music is awesome, though. The Merry Christmas Charlie Brown soundtrack is always on the stereo Christmas morning.

The only thing about Peanuts that ever made me angry was the New Years one. Linus knows that Charlie Brown has always loved the little redhaired girl, but moves in on her anyway. Bros before hos, Linus, bros before hos.
 
2012-12-05 11:16:28 AM  

ghare: R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.

Which Lord would that be? There are thousands to choose from. Maybe the states should set up some sort of Lord Exchange, where people should see the costs and benefits?


I've got 8 Lords a Leaping.
 
2012-12-05 11:16:34 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Trivia Jockey: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Oh please.

You don't think this is the kind of stuff that makes other people believe all atheists are like this?


In all fairness, I suppose most atheists do have an issue with a public school carving out class time to go to a church to watch a religious-themed presentation.

So if atheists are hated for this so be it....that is, unless the same haters would be fine with the class going to see "A Roger Rabbit Ramadan" at the Aliq Aman Mosque too.
 
2012-12-05 11:16:56 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I guess very few people chose to read the article completely. The church cancelled the event voluntarily, then decided to call the media to talk about how they're being oppressed.

The school board and principal were all for going forward with the field trip.

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!


They interviewed representatives from the church, the school district and the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers. Where exactly does it say that it was the church that initially called the media?
 
2012-12-05 11:17:03 AM  

Gunny Highway: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x675]

A Christmas story we can all enjoy


As long as they don't make it into a movie. Hellboy 2 sucked.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:09 AM  
Maybe if they watched this the atheists would be happy

s.ecrater.com

It's the equivalent of getting coal in your stocking, which is what these douchebags deserve
 
2012-12-05 11:17:19 AM  

BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.


Ask the Tibetans how much they enjoy actual militant atheism.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:23 AM  

FloydA: No. That's kind of my point. It would be a ridiculous thing to do.


I meant the reading part - does anyone read that sh*t in public?

/it'd be okay if the kids went to watch some re-enactments of Futurama's Xmas episodes, though, right?
//what if it took place in a church simply because they had available space on that night?
 
2012-12-05 11:17:36 AM  

had98c: My gf is a high school teacher and she spent a day a few months ago teaching about the hajj. No mosque visit but I was actually surprised she didn't get any kind of backlash from either the students or parents.


Where was this? I suspect geography played a role in the lack of backlash.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:41 AM  
This concerned parent may very well want to pull their child from school altogether. This play holds nothing on the amount of nonsense spewed by other children that are religious. My parents were raised in very religious homes but they never did any of that with me. How did I learn about Heaven, Hell, God, Jesus, etc etc? Other kids in school. I learned that if I believed in God then when I died I would go to Heaven and that anything I wanted to do I could do or anyone I wanted to talk to I could talk to. I went to bible camp, I went to church with some friends when I stayed at their houses but guess what if anything it just gave me a greater understanding of various religious practices and prominent religious figures. I wouldn't say that any of the material I was exposed to would have harmed me in anyway, most of it was rather inspirational stories about doing good for humanity.

/Still a non-believer
 
2012-12-05 11:17:41 AM  
Meh, my agnostic outrage is that the networks have edited out portions of the show in order to fit in more adverts to appease the false god of holiday overconsumerism.. So what they show today isn't the same as what I grew up with.

I should go see if the original unedited version is out on the torrents.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:46 AM  
Sounds like derp on all sides. The War on Christmas, and Fox's War on the War on Christmas. As long as all eyes are open and minds as well that this is a time of celebration of many cultures - pagans, Christians, Jews, etc, and all cultures are given equal weight in telling their stories, I am fine with it. I think the Atheist militance against traditions is annoying and makes me embarrassed to be an atheist. And Fox News's attempt at emphasizing their butt hurt over this is also embarrassing. Both sides need to chill out.

/watched that Dave Silverman/Bill O'reilly argument the other day
//nearly punched the tv at the stupidity of both people
///was really angry that Dave Silverman didn't just get up and walk out when O'reilly decided to make sh*t up to keep himself in the argument
///was even angrier when Silverman said he "had" to take the day off work on Christmas
 
2012-12-05 11:17:57 AM  

BronyMedic: I think I'm more outraged that anyone would believe Fox News on, well..anything.

[dailydiscord.com image 454x523]

And now, it's time for a Christmas Classic - A Charilie Brown Kwanzaa, the Director's Cut.


HARAMBEE!
 
2012-12-05 11:17:57 AM  

had98c: busy chillin': doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.

My gf is a high school teacher and she spent a day a few months ago teaching about the hajj. No mosque visit but I was actually surprised she didn't get any kind of backlash from either the students or parents. Actually gave me some hope for humanity.


chexydecimal.com
Was this him?
 
2012-12-05 11:18:26 AM  
When they cried about saying Merry Christmas, I said nothing.

When they cried about taking God off of money, I said nothing.

Try and stop my Charlie Brown, mother-suger and see how long you keep your teeth.
 
2012-12-05 11:18:33 AM  
mediumlarge.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-05 11:18:37 AM  
Atheist outrage again?!?
If only they could be reasonable about things they disagree with, as the devoutly religous are.
 
2012-12-05 11:18:37 AM  

Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig


Nice. But a little too sensible and logical, a little too devoid of religious herp and derp for Fark. Don't take the righteous indignation away from the religious types, ultimately it's all they really have.
 
2012-12-05 11:18:58 AM  

doyner: Coco LaFemme: Trivia Jockey: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Oh please.

You don't think this is the kind of stuff that makes other people believe all atheists are like this?

In all fairness, I suppose most atheists do have an issue with a public school carving out class time to go to a church to watch a religious-themed presentation.

So if atheists are hated for this so be it....that is, unless the same haters would be fine with the class going to see "A Roger Rabbit Ramadan" at the Aliq Aman Mosque too.


I must not be "most atheists" then, because if my kid was in this class, I wouldn't care. I guess I save my real ire and righteous indignation for things that are truly offensive.
 
2012-12-05 11:18:58 AM  

doyner: "A Roger Rabbit Ramadan" at the Aliq Aman Mosque too.


If this existed, it sounds entertaining.

/why don't other religions put on entertaining shows?
 
2012-12-05 11:18:59 AM  

BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.



Coffee? That's a beer.
 
2012-12-05 11:19:01 AM  

Pertifly: xanadian: Someone forgot to tell these "freethinkers" that they do not have a Constitutional right to not be offended.

I'm an atheist and love the Charlie Brown holiday specials. I actually came in here to poo-poo the article, because Atheist outrage goes overboard sometimes (sometimes, a lot of the time).

But having a public school shuttle kids to a church to watch it... that's different than just watching it in the privacy of your own home. And it's illegal.


Valid, and I said so earlier, after I processed the whole article with my brain cell. Doesn't help that the very first paragraph says the group protested the PLAY and didn't mention that they were protesting the CHURCH for hosting the play. TFA initially said they just had a problem with the play.

Once again, though, this is FAUX NEWS, and they spin it to win it.
 
2012-12-05 11:19:41 AM  

R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.


What do you mean, "back?"
 
2012-12-05 11:19:44 AM  

This text is now purple: Ask the Tibetans how much they enjoy actual militant atheism.


No thank you. I'd rather laugh at you for thinking State-as-Religion is the same as Atheism/Secular Humanism.

/we need a Godwin's law equivalent for people who say stupid things like this.
 
2012-12-05 11:20:39 AM  
Yes, as an atheist I really give a flying fark what you people watch.
 
2012-12-05 11:20:52 AM  
So it is okay to celebrate the materialism aspects of Christmas, but should one even MENTION the religious roots of a holiday it becomes absolutely, positively a state-sponsored endorsement of that religion?

Can public-school students be permitted to see any dramatic performance with a mention of religion in it?

busy chillin': doyner:
Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

nailed it.

A teacher should troll the f*ck out of America and take a class to a mosque for whatever type of program of mosque would put on.


I dunno; this seems more like a begging the question; it seems like it could be true (Fox News has a traditional slant against Muslims in general) and so we all assume it to be that they'd be outraged that any American child be subjected to learning about Eid al-Fitr or Ramadan.
 
2012-12-05 11:20:53 AM  

The_Sponge: Coffee? That's a beer.


That's even more evil.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-05 11:21:06 AM  

xanadian: Gunny Highway: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x675]

A Christmas story we can all enjoy

As long as they don't make it into a movie. Hellboy 2 sucked.


I am an unapologetic Mignola fan so I blindly enjoyed both movies.
 
2012-12-05 11:21:10 AM  

Coco LaFemme: "Oh no, my children were exposed to a point of view that differs from my own, whatever shall I do?"


thread should have ended here.

/seriously, thread over
//we can all go home
 
2012-12-05 11:21:10 AM  

the_chief: More like gaythiest.


So, not are you prejudiced against atheist, but homophobic also. You must be a good Christian.
 
2012-12-05 11:21:13 AM  
mediumlarge.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-05 11:21:13 AM  

The_Sponge: BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.


Coffee? That's a beer.


It's the devil's water, meant to turn otherwise God-fearing people into agnostic or atheist abominations.

And God, how I love beer!!!
 
2012-12-05 11:21:15 AM  

Trivia Jockey: had98c: My gf is a high school teacher and she spent a day a few months ago teaching about the hajj. No mosque visit but I was actually surprised she didn't get any kind of backlash from either the students or parents.

Where was this? I suspect geography played a role in the lack of backlash.


New Mexico.
 
2012-12-05 11:21:17 AM  

kerryclendenon: /watched that Dave Silverman/Bill O'reilly argument the other day
//nearly punched the tv at the stupidity of both people


That's why I no longer watch Fox News. I have no need to expose myself to constant stupidity.

/then again, I come here
//at least there are pockets of less-dumb here
 
2012-12-05 11:21:17 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


and this is why atheists hate religion - most adherents to any particular religion seem to be blissfully unaware that another view point exists and if they ARE aware the adherents are dismissive of that view point.

Think about the quandary of a muslim family might be in here - allow the kid to go and violate their religious feelings etc or deny their kid the trip and wonder if he'll be ostracized for it.

These two trivial points are just that - trivial points - there very well could be other far more important issues in play.

On the surface it seems harmless enough but it in fact introduces a complication into others lives that just doesn't need to be there and in fact shouldn't be there.

So yeah, cultural and religious ignorance sucks and in todays United States, shouldn't be there.

Plus, it's that crappy Chuck Brown schlock - I've had it up to here with that dead guys cartoons - bring back Prince Valium
 
2012-12-05 11:21:28 AM  

BronyMedic: Lets try this again. A Charlie Brown Kwanzaa (NSFW)



*Tipping my hat because you beat me to the punch*
 
2012-12-05 11:21:29 AM  

kerryclendenon: The War on Christmas, and Fox's War on the War on Christmas


I prefer this:

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-05 11:21:33 AM  

R.A.Danny: This is what it is all about

Still gives me chills


It's all about shiatty animation (and trolling, apparently) for you?

You have an odd relationship with your god.
 
2012-12-05 11:21:37 AM  
And yet another good reason for school vouchers (or even better expecting parents to actually pay for their own kids education). But that would hurt the teachers unions that protect pedophiles, so we can't have that.
 
2012-12-05 11:21:46 AM  
i26.photobucket.com

/second time today I get to post this
 
2012-12-05 11:21:50 AM  

IAmRight: FloydA: No. That's kind of my point. It would be a ridiculous thing to do.

I meant the reading part - does anyone read that sh*t in public?


I've never heard of such a thing.


/it'd be okay if the kids went to watch some re-enactments of Futurama's Xmas episodes, though, right?



During school hours? No, I don't think so. I'd prefer it if schools were actually teaching kids important things. They can watch TV at home.


//what if it took place in a church simply because they had available space on that night?

On their own time, parents can take their kids anywhere they choose. Schools have to be a bit more picky about where they take kids.
 
2012-12-05 11:21:57 AM  
i1151.photobucket.com
Nnnyyesss - it seems that atheist have extra pain receptors in the gluteus maximus region.
Perhaps fornication is in order.
 
2012-12-05 11:22:00 AM  

This text is now purple: BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.

Ask the Tibetans how much they enjoy actual militant atheism.


I'm pretty sure they're suffering from totalitarianism, not militant atheist. Unless you seriously believe that China is still Communist.
 
2012-12-05 11:22:09 AM  

The Why Not Guy: I'm an agnostic leaning towards atheist, and nothing - NOTHING - would make me happier than if the United States were to become a Christian nation. The catch is I mean Christian as in actually following the teachings of Jesus Christ - patience, forgiveness, tolerance, charity, love - not just hating homos and Muslims. I'd even settle for following those 10 commandments people are so anxious to hang in courtrooms.


The catch as you know is that the people who are loudest about the US being a Christian nation are usually the ones that follow the exact polar opposite of every single thing Christ supposedly said. It's very Alanis Morrisette.
 
2012-12-05 11:22:10 AM  

kerryclendenon: Sounds like derp on all sides. The War on Christmas, and Fox's War on the War on Christmas. As long as all eyes are open and minds as well that this is a time of celebration of many cultures - pagans, Christians, Jews, etc, and all cultures are given equal weight in telling their stories, I am fine with it. I think the Atheist militance against traditions is annoying and makes me embarrassed to be an atheist. And Fox News's attempt at emphasizing their butt hurt over this is also embarrassing. Both sides need to chill out.


Separation of Church and State.

This is not a complicated or new issue. Those saying it's not a big deal and "atheists" should chill out are just completely missing the point; this has nothing to do with atheism, this has to do with the state sponsoring one faith over others. It's a constitutional breach. There's an issue here, but that issue is this; why do these Christians hate the Constitution and thus America?
 
2012-12-05 11:22:33 AM  

The_Sponge: BronyMedic: Lets try this again. A Charlie Brown Kwanzaa (NSFW)


*Tipping my hat because you beat me to the punch*


Charlie Brown, you are well farked and far from home. :)
 
2012-12-05 11:22:33 AM  
Just so I'm sure I understand..

Religious people biatching about anything that doesn't follow their religion = Okay
Non-Religious people biatching about anything religious = Not okay

Is that right? Got it.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:07 AM  
This fits the grand religious tradition of knowingly stepping over the line, then crying persecution when they're pushed back.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:09 AM  

BronyMedic: The_Sponge: Coffee? That's a beer.

That's even more evil.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 490x252]


Ahh, good ole Chick Tracts. I think they got that very panel in the dictionary next to "hyperbole," and "f*cking retarded."
 
2012-12-05 11:23:13 AM  
Yeah, let's rally against those Atheist cry babies by acting like a bunch of cry babies. That'll show 'em
 
2012-12-05 11:23:16 AM  

Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?


Back when I was in school, if a parent wasn't cool with where the school was taking the kids
for a field trip, they opted their kid out of the trip. They didn't get their panties in a twist and
become such a pain in the ass that the school cancelled the trip altogether.

ZOMG! Taking kids to a church to see a play? That's crotch-fruit indoctrination, I tells ya!

Phbbbbbbbt.

There was a Catholic church and school a few blocks away from my elementary school. We
were forever going down there. Our little league basketball team practiced and played all
its games on their courts, our chorus and guitar class walked over a couple of times a year
for little assembly concerts, etc...

The AW parent is out of line. She forced the school and every child who didn't opt out to
accommodate her views on religion when they could have just as easily been accommodated
if she'd just oped out her own kid and leave everybody else alone.

It's like one biatch standing on a ladder holding a blown lightbulb in place while she makes
everyone else go outside and rotate the damn house in order to unscrew it.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:22 AM  
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2012-12-05 11:23:22 AM  

BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.


I always thought of that as a beer. Maybe it's just cause I want a beer.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:37 AM  
[high pitched, indistinct talking]
wonk, wonk, wonk, wonk. Wonk, wonk, wonk, wonk, wonk.
/wonk?
 
2012-12-05 11:23:45 AM  
As an atheist I have no issues with Christmas. It's a great holiday and it has transcended past Christianity and has become more of a cultural event in our society.

I think it would serve atheists well to embrace Christmas. It would send the message to the droves of Christians who don't really believe in their religion but think being an atheist is too far out there, that not believing in god doesn't mean you have to quit things you enjoy. They can have the exact life they have now without believing in fairy tales.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:51 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Slaves2Darkness: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Why? Because we object to religious indoctrination, even if it comes in the form of cartoons?

I must be a different kind of atheist because I don't believe "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" is religious indoctrination.


Showing "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" in the school auditorium with no religious leaders present = not indoctrination.

Taking students to multiple religious venues (including at least the big three) outside of ceremony times, and studying the history of religion in general = not indoctrination.

Taking students to a church to watch "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown" being sponsored by the church with no other religion getting equal time = indoctrination.

Taking students to a church to see a church service with no other religion getting equal time = indoctrination.

That's where they step over the line. They're both giving one religion preferential treatment and taking students to a church-sponsored activity.

----

Again, if this were happening at a mosque, most of the parents in the class would be in outrage mode.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:54 AM  
My employer (a liberal organization in the heathen area of Cambridge, MA that rhymes with "Schmarvard") hates Christmas so much, they told us to not show up to work starting close of business Dec 21 and don't want to see us again until Jan 2. And they have the nerve to pay us for it!

/woot
 
2012-12-05 11:24:22 AM  
My brother is a Christian (I, on the other hand, am a dirty atheist) and he attends church quite regularly. When the Harry Potter books were still coming out, he and I were both reading them. One of the ladies at his church asked him why he was reading them, and that the books were "satanic" and promoted witchcraft. My brother replied that they are just stories, that actually have a positive message for both kids and adults.

He went on to say that his faith in god is strong and that if someone's faith is so fragile that it can be shaken by reading a book or watching a telivision show or movie, then maybe that person needs to re-evaluate what he or she believes. This is true for both the religious and non-religious.

The bible itself has a lot of good messages in it (subject, of course, to interpretation) and sheltering your kids from that is not doing them any favors. It is a good opportunity to open a discussion about morality (yes, we atheists have morals) and religion. Inform them and teach them, you are parents, it's what you are supposed to do.

/watches Charlie Brown Christmas Special every year.
//doesn't feel like Christmas without it
///anyone else notice that the Charlie Brown cartoons feel like a Wes Anderson movie?
 
2012-12-05 11:24:32 AM  
I suspect the headlines would read differently if the play being performed at a local mosque and had to do with a re-enactment of Muhammad's revelations.
 
2012-12-05 11:24:35 AM  

xanadian: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

....where parents can opt out of the field trip for whatever reasons (including them not wanting their children to potentially be indoctrinated into Christianity)? A. It's right in TFA that it's voluntary and B. field trips have been "optional" since day one.


Just because something is "optional" doesn't mean that it was ever okay for it to be suggested in the first place.

Why can't the kids be shown the Charlie Brown movie at their school? Why does it have to be at a church?
 
2012-12-05 11:24:53 AM  
So we live in a society where grown men watching "My Little Pony" should be celebrated, but "A Charlie Brown Christmas" should be vilified.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:10 AM  

JonZoidberg: BronyMedic: dopekitty74: Gah! So farking tired of militant atheists giving us regular non-interfering in other people's fun atheists a bad name.

[madmikesamerica.com image 475x336]

Just look at that Atheist drinking his coffee. It's so EVIL.

I always thought of that as a beer. Maybe it's just cause I want a beer.


Confirmation Bias, Sir!

It's really an after dinner mixture of iced coffee, kaluah, chocolate, and top shelf vodka.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:24 AM  
Setting aside, for now, the fact that Charlie Brown (and anything 'Peanuts' for that matter) is horribly boring, no one in that school district thought that a field trip to a Church was perhaps not a good idea?

Maybe quit spending my tax dollars on completely non-educational field trips, and spend that money on educating the little snowflakes, before they fall even farther behind students in other first-world countries.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:43 AM  
Let me get this straight:

The school tried to have a field trip that would take students to a church to watch a show being put on by the church, and the show has a religious message that's supported by the church?

I don't see who could possibly have a problem with this.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:22 AM  
Huh?

I mean, I hate Merry Christmas Charlie Brown, but I hated it when I was a believer too.

//It has some horrible memories attached to it.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:33 AM  
Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:34 AM  

enry: My employer (a liberal organization in the heathen area of Cambridge, MA that rhymes with "Schmarvard") hates Christmas so much, they told us to not show up to work starting close of business Dec 21 and don't want to see us again until Jan 2. And they have the nerve to pay us for it!

/woot


Mine too!

/rhymes with Schmornell
//actually was known as the heathen/godless school since all the other Ivies were founded by religious types
///LET'S COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR WEEK-PLUS OF FREE VACATION TO VISIT OUR FAMILIES
 
2012-12-05 11:26:37 AM  
If your Atheism is so weak that your child will be converted by going to a church, then you've failed as a parent.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:47 AM  
Why can't they just go to a performance of Die Hard? That's an awesome Christmas movie that doesn't offend anyone. Except maybe Germans. But fark them.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:53 AM  

Via Infinito: Rincewind53: Sol Invictus and Mithra are the same damn thing

Common sense and quick google search shows that this statement is patently false.
I don't have the time or inclination to refute any of the other crap you're whining about, but feel free to do some research on your own.


You're correct about that one, I mistakenly confused the fact that Sol Invictus was part of the Mithraic cult with the idea that Sol Invictus and Mithra were the same.

That doesn't change the fact that all of the other things I stated are correct. Sol Invictus's "birthdate" is a complete historical mystery, no one is entirely certain. The Pope thinks that the view that it was the 25th was incorrect, and I'll take him over anyone else.

Hercules was a demigod, the half-human, half-god offspring of Zeus and as common sense dictates; he was mortal during his lifetime, though endowed with great strength. He is a legendary figure, and there is no "December 25th" birthdate associated with him. The only internet sources you'll find claiming that are citing the same tired, old, idea that tons of religions had gods that were virgin births on the 25th. Which is not true.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:09 AM  
I remember reading somewhere that Charles Schulz later regretted (presumably after he became an atheist) putting in Linus' little religious speech into that Christmas special.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:14 AM  
Sorry, when you start with the phrase "Let's take a field trip to a church and..." you can stop right there. I'm an atheist and I like Christmas and normally don't care about religious display in public and whatnot but this is over the line of separation of church and state and they are right to complain. If you replaced church with mosque/synagogue/temple you'd be hearing the outrage from the right.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:28 AM  
That reminds me, it's time to start saying "Merry Christmas" to everyone, just to piss off the uber-PC idiots. Christmas is a really nice tradition. It has it's roots in religion (several of them) but so what? Many things in our culture have their roots in religion. That doesn't mean we should abandon them and start saying stupid shiat like "Happy Holidays".

/agnostic
//firmly against organized religion
///Merry Christmas!
 
2012-12-05 11:27:40 AM  

abhorrent1: Just so I'm sure I understand..

Religious people biatching about anything that doesn't follow their religion = Okay
Non-Religious people biatching about anything religious = Not okay
Earplugs to shut them all out = Okay
Is that right? Got it.


FTFY, so it'll be all right
 
2012-12-05 11:27:44 AM  

MayoSlather: As an atheist I have no issues with Christmas. It's a great holiday and it has transcended past Christianity and has become more of a cultural event in our society.

I think it would serve atheists well to embrace Christmas. It would send the message to the droves of Christians who don't really believe in their religion but think being an atheist is too far out there, that not believing in god doesn't mean you have to quit things you enjoy. They can have the exact life they have now without believing in fairy tales.


Mmm hmm. Nothing all that religious about Santa, really. Not anymore. He's as secular an icon as you get these days (despite his roots in Saint Nicholas).

LazarusLong42: Again, if this were happening at a mosque, most of the parents in the class would be in outrage mode.


Well...FOX News would be in outrage mode, at least. And they'd promptly blame Obama for it.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:58 AM  

Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig


I didn't make it and I'm not gonna try to shop it clean. But it fits what you posted, so here it is.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-05 11:27:58 AM  

doyner: "Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

Non-story, folks. Carving out a few hours from a public school day to take kids to a church to watch a story about how Linus and Charlie Brown are touched by the birth of Christ is clearly over the line.


As someone who was non-religious in an extremely religious small town, not "volunteering" to go on this trip meant social suicide.
 
2012-12-05 11:28:34 AM  

digitalrain: The AW parent is out of line. She forced the school and every child who didn't opt out to
accommodate her views on religion when they could have just as easily been accommodated
if she'd just oped out her own kid and leave everybody else alone.


Except she didn't. RTFA. The church cancelled it before anyone even approached them. The school had literally nothing to do with the decision not to go.
 
2012-12-05 11:29:41 AM  

advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.


Can the militant atheists bring science with them into the Thunderdome?
 
2012-12-05 11:29:46 AM  

xanadian: On a semi-related note, I wonder how the freethinkers' group would've reacted if the Charlie Brown play were held at a public amphitheater, as opposed to a church? Or, even IN the school itself?


This is the exact problem I have with the entire scenario.

Why can't the kids just watch the damn movie at their school? Why do they HAVE to be bussed out to a church for the viewing?
 
2012-12-05 11:29:59 AM  

BronyMedic: The_Sponge: Coffee? That's a beer.

That's even more evil.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 490x252]


i like how they're STILL doing the big nose guys are evil art with bonus balding spot on his head looks like a yarmulke.
 
2012-12-05 11:29:59 AM  

Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


THIS.
 
2012-12-05 11:30:11 AM  

Coco LaFemme: FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist

Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.


For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about what people believe and wishes them to just mind their own farking business, you sure do spend a lot of time trying convince them that they're wrong.
 
2012-12-05 11:30:12 AM  

advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.


If you're militant about, well, virtually anything involving beliefs and other people's thoughts, you should go off yourself. Intolerant atheists are just as annoying as intolerant Christians - love how many of them in this thread automatically assume "oh hey, look, I bet those other people hate Muslims!" to deflect their whininess.

/not militant because the extent of my outrage is typing this post
//and honestly, I started yawning by the end of typing it
 
2012-12-05 11:30:15 AM  

xanadian: advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.

Can the militant atheists bring science with them into the Thunderdome?


Wouldn't matter. It'd be no match for the power of the opposing god(s).
 
2012-12-05 11:30:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: This fits the grand religious tradition of knowingly stepping over the line, then crying persecution when they're pushed back.


Excellent point.
 
2012-12-05 11:30:46 AM  

xanadian: advex101: Militant atheists and those people waving bibles and yelling at me on street corners should both be sentenced to Thunderdome.

Can the militant atheists bring science with them into the Thunderdome?


They can use whatever is hanging from the hooks in the cage.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:24 AM  

Lord Dimwit: doyner: "Students at Terry Elementary School had been planning to attend a school-day field trip to watch a stage version of the holiday classic - hosted by the church. The event was strictly voluntary and teachers sent home letters explaining the purpose of the trip."

Substitute "church" with "mosque" and regardless of the content of the performance the outrage would have been from Fox's base.

Non-story, folks. Carving out a few hours from a public school day to take kids to a church to watch a story about how Linus and Charlie Brown are touched by the birth of Christ is clearly over the line.

As someone who was non-religious in an extremely religious small town, not "volunteering" to go on this trip meant social suicide.


Having attended public school in Brighton, Tennesse for k-3, I can attest to the validity of this statement. My 1st grade teacher was the Preacher's wife too. It was almost like being home schooled.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:41 AM  

enry: My employer (a liberal organization in the heathen area of Cambridge, MA that rhymes with "Schmarvard") hates Christmas so much, they told us to not show up to work starting close of business Dec 21 and don't want to see us again until Jan 2. And they have the nerve to pay us for it!

/woot


Damned Druidic heathens. There's nothing they won't do to inconvenience others.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:42 AM  

FauxReal: Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig

I didn't make it and I'm not gonna try to shop it clean. But it fits what you posted, so here it is.
[i.imgur.com image 536x600]


I'm an agnostic, my wife is a lapsed Catholic, and our son is a firm believer in the Church of Goldfish Crackers and Cold Milk, but we celebrate Christmas. At this point it's just as much a secular American holiday as it is anything else.

...on that note, you never see Christians getting all up in arms about Halloween or Valentine's Day losing their religious significance.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:52 AM  

Marcintosh: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

and this is why atheists hate religion - most adherents to any particular religion seem to be blissfully unaware that another view point exists and if they ARE aware the adherents are dismissive of that view point.

Think about the quandary of a muslim family might be in here - allow the kid to go and violate their religious feelings etc or deny their kid the trip and wonder if he'll be ostracized for it.

These two trivial points are just that - trivial points - there very well could be other far more important issues in play.

On the surface it seems harmless enough but it in fact introduces a complication into others lives that just doesn't need to be there and in fact shouldn't be there.

So yeah, cultural and religious ignorance sucks and in todays United States, shouldn't be there.

Plus, it's that crappy Chuck Brown schlock - I've had it up to here with that dead guys cartoons - bring back Prince Valium


I was raised Catholic. I no longer am, but that's beside the point. I was raised Catholic, and often was exposed to non-Catholic teachings, whether it was from visiting another faith's place of worship or learning about it in class. THAT'S THE POINT OF LEARNING. How can you claim to be devoutly religious, yet the mere exposure to someone else's faith can make you suddenly question your own? Attending a bar mitzvah when I wasn't Jewish didn't invalidate the fact that I was Catholic, and didn't "violate" anything that had to do with my Catholicism. I was learning about a tradition from another faith, and it was interesting.

Learning about other religions is not "state-sponsored indoctrination", nor should it be sneered upon as such.
 
2012-12-05 11:31:59 AM  
That said, I have yet to find it during a search, but Nickelodeon had on during one of its Christmas season bumps in between shows probably between 2003 and 2004, it was a Rugrats mini-episode that was a play on the Merry Christmas Charlie Brown, complete with Linus's soliloquy delivered by Tommy, which ended with Angelica saying "You stupid babies! That's not what Christmas is about! It's about the presents!" And then the babies all say, "Oh yeah" and go about playing.

Anyone else remember that?
 
2012-12-05 11:32:00 AM  
Charlie Brown Christmas?

This is what Linus meant to say.

/seen this dozens of times
//will watch it dozens more
///must I always be aloooooooone?
 
2012-12-05 11:32:07 AM  

kronicfeld: The latest atheist outrage? People watching A public school taking children to church to watch a stage performance of "Merry Christmas Charlie Brown," which has a direct recitation from the bible in its seminal scene


Teknowaffle: As much as I love Merry Christmas Charlie Brown (despite being an evil atheist), a public school should never be going even voluntarily to a performance hosted by a church/mosque/synagogue.


This and that. I'm as atheist as they come, but this weekend the wife and I went and picked out a tree and we watched the Charlie Brown Christmas Special while decorating it. Nothing wrong with that. Until you are a public school using public funds. As was also mentioned, if they had gone to a mosque the farsenews crowd would have been losing their minds.
 
2012-12-05 11:32:52 AM  

WhippingBoy: If your Atheism is so weak that your child will be converted by going to a church, then you've failed as a parent.


That is most definitely not the point.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:35 AM  

Keeve: They interviewed representatives from the church, the school district and the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers. Where exactly does it say that it was the church that initially called the media?


They were free to go forward with the field trip if they wanted? Why would they cancel if they didn't want to make a big f*cking deal about it?
 
2012-12-05 11:33:39 AM  

IAmRight: If you're militant about, well, virtually anything involving beliefs and other people's thoughts, you should go off yourself. Intolerant atheists are just as annoying as intolerant Christians - love how many of them in this thread automatically assume "oh hey, look, I bet those other people hate Muslims!" to deflect their whininess.

/not militant because the extent of my outrage is typing this post
//and honestly, I started yawning by the end of typing it


"Militant" with respect to "atheist" is usually just an epithet used to encourage backpedaling and meekness. Which is funny, since apparently the meek get to inherit the Earth. At this point, "militant" is used to describe any atheist with a voiced opinion.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:57 AM  

FauxReal: Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig

I didn't make it and I'm not gonna try to shop it clean. But it fits what you posted, so here it is.
[i.imgur.com image 536x600]


I'm stealing this for facebook. I expect some outrage from bible thumper friends. Hopefully a few drop me.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:59 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Really. You just do NOT f*ck with Charlie Brown Christmas special. You just do not go there. If you are offended don't let your kids go.
Cythraul: Most atheists I know love Charlie Brown Christmas.

Religious people give us plenty of reason to loathe them as well but I have watched that show every year since it came out.


Obviously you DNRTFA.

FTA: The cancellation came as the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers told television station KATV they had received legal advice on pursuing a possible lawsuit against the Little Rock School District.

Unless some of the parents are members of the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers, the parents weren't the ones protesting.
 
2012-12-05 11:34:02 AM  
Oh, and for some more historical basis on why claiming Mithra was born on the 25th is silly:

In the 100 ADs, Mithra was often referred to as "Deus Sol Invictus Mithras", or "The Invincible Sun God Mithras." As a result, he is often confused with Sol Invictus (as I did earlier), who was the official Sun God of the Roman Empire starting about 175 years later. From there, people grab onto the fact that there was a ceremony held in 354 AD, on December 25th, entitled "Natalis Invicti", which was a celebration of Sol Invictus. "Natalis Invicti" can possibly be translated as "The birth of the Invicible", or it could simply imply that a temple was being dedicated. That is it. That is the entire basis for the people in this thread claiming that Mithra or Sol Invictus were "born" on the 25th, though why the Romans would think that the sun had a birthday is not entirely clear.
 
2012-12-05 11:34:11 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: R.A.Danny: This is what it is all about

Still gives me chills

It's all about shiatty animation (and trolling, apparently) for you?

You have an odd relationship with your god.


I repented.
 
2012-12-05 11:34:29 AM  
I wonder if this same parent that complained would have gone on how wonderfully culturally enlightening this field trip was if the play was about the Muslim, Buddhist or other than Christian religion?
 
2012-12-05 11:34:41 AM  

Epicedion: At this point, "militant" is used to describe any atheist with a voiced opinion.


Exactly. The only atheist they can tolerate is one who just bends over the takes it in the behind. Anything else, and you're "militant".
 
2012-12-05 11:35:02 AM  

xanadian: Mmm hmm. Nothing all that religious about Santa, really. Not anymore. He's as secular an icon as you get these days (despite his roots in Saint Nicholas).


STFU, my way-too-religious wife is anti-Santa because he detracts from the "true meaning" so I'm trying to make her be okay with Santa for our daughter because he is pretty damn allegorical to the Christian version of God.

/oh gee, a bearded man of indeterminate age who can bend time and space at his will and lives in an unfindable location (well, I mean, now we can find the North Pole relatively easily, but still) in order to reward good kids that believe in him and are good, nope, no correlation whatsoever.

Lord Dimwit: As someone who was non-religious in an extremely religious small town, not "volunteering" to go on this trip meant social suicide.


Sometimes in life you have to sit through sh*t you don't enjoy to make other people happy.
 
2012-12-05 11:35:08 AM  

Mugato: At first I thought it was ridiculous but I never saw the Christmas special and I didn't know it was quite that religious in nature. Someone up-thread is right, if this was "It's Ramada, Charlie Brown" held in a mosque, people would be rioting in the streets. All or nothing.


Please note that "It's Mothafarking Ramadan, Charlie Brown" does exist, along with other classics like "Beware the Easter nubian, Charlie Brown".

http://www.mostoffensivevideo.com/

They're all much, much better than the originals.
 
2012-12-05 11:35:46 AM  

MBrady: Unless some of the parents are members of the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers, the parents weren't the ones protesting.


According to the article, a parent contacted the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers.
 
2012-12-05 11:35:59 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Marcintosh: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

and this is why atheists hate religion - most adherents to any particular religion seem to be blissfully unaware that another view point exists and if they ARE aware the adherents are dismissive of that view point.

Think about the quandary of a muslim family might be in here - allow the kid to go and violate their religious feelings etc or deny their kid the trip and wonder if he'll be ostracized for it.

These two trivial points are just that - trivial points - there very well could be other far more important issues in play.

On the surface it seems harmless enough but it in fact introduces a complication into others lives that just doesn't need to be there and in fact shouldn't be there.

So yeah, cultural and religious ignorance sucks and in todays United States, shouldn't be there.

Plus, it's that crappy Chuck Brown schlock - I've had it up to here with that dead guys cartoons - bring back Prince Valium

I was raised Catholic. I no longer am, but that's beside the point. I was raised Catholic, and often was exposed to non-Catholic teachings, whether it was from visiting another faith's place of worship or learning about it in class. THAT'S THE POINT OF LEARNING. How can you claim to be devoutly religious, yet the mere exposure to someone else's faith can make you suddenly question your own? Attending a bar mitzvah when I wasn't Jewish didn't invalidate the fact that I was Catholic, and didn't "violate" anything that had to do with my Catholicism. I was learning about a tradition from another faith, and it was interesting.

Learning about other religions is not "state-sponsored indoctrination", nor should it be sneered upon as such.


You must not know what it's like to be a Muslim in a primarily christian area. Here: educate yourself (audio, 33 min, transcript available).

/Consider yourself fortunate to live in an area a little bit more tolerant than the norm.
 
2012-12-05 11:36:13 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I was raised Catholic. I no longer am, but that's beside the point. I was raised Catholic, and often was exposed to non-Catholic teachings, whether it was from visiting another faith's place of worship or learning about it in class. THAT'S THE POINT OF LEARNING.


Yes, we get it, you're incredibly smart and privileged and every experience you could possibly have is ultimately spinnable into some positive life-affirming wondrous examination of the self.

Over here in reality, uncomfortable shiat is often just uncomfortable. And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.
 
2012-12-05 11:36:35 AM  

Epicedion: "Militant" with respect to "atheist" is usually just an epithet used to encourage backpedaling and meekness. Which is funny, since apparently the meek get to inherit the Earth. At this point, "militant" is used to describe any atheist with a voiced opinion.


Threatening lawsuits isn't voicing an opinion.

/would be up for killing many people who file dumbass lawsuits of non-religious nature, too
 
2012-12-05 11:36:54 AM  
No more performances of A Christmas Carol either unless Tiny Tim's line famous line is struck from the production.

Jesus Christ Superstar? Do you even have to ask?
 
2012-12-05 11:36:55 AM  

mgshamster: Coco LaFemme: FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist

Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.

For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about what people believe and wishes them to just mind their own farking business, you sure do spend a lot of time trying convince them that they're wrong.


I don't spend any time trying to convince a Christian (or someone from any other faith) that they are wrong to be Christian, and as an atheist I am right. I have never done that once, either on Fark, or off it. I don't proselytize, nor do I have any desire to.
 
2012-12-05 11:36:58 AM  

Carn: FauxReal: Via Infinito: [draftsauronpac.files.wordpress.com image 850x548]

/oblig

I didn't make it and I'm not gonna try to shop it clean. But it fits what you posted, so here it is.
[i.imgur.com image 536x600]

I'm stealing this for facebook. I expect some outrage from bible thumper friends. Hopefully a few drop me.


Except a lot of those aren't true, as I've already made clear about Mithra.

Oh, and for the Mistletoe and the druidic thing, here's a Pliny quote about it (shamelessly stolen from Wiki)

"The druids - that is what they call their magicians - hold nothing more sacred than the mistletoe and a tree on which it is growing, provided it is Valonia Oak.... Mistletoe is rare and when found it is gathered with great ceremony, and particularly on the sixth day of the moon....Hailing the moon in a native word that means 'healing all things,' they prepare a ritual sacrifice and banquet beneath a tree and bring up two white bulls, whose horns are bound for the first time on this occasion. A priest arrayed in white vestments climbs the tree and, with a golden sickle, cuts down the mistletoe, which is caught in a white cloak. Then finally they kill the victims, praying to a god to render his gift propitious to those on whom he has bestowed it. They believe that mistletoe given in drink will impart fertility to any animal that is barren and that it is an antidote to all poisons"

Not really "kissing under the mistletoe", is it?
 
2012-12-05 11:37:08 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people religious zealots hate atheists.

 
2012-12-05 11:37:13 AM  
Never make atheists mad, they have a power more hated than Satan himself. Lawyers.
 
2012-12-05 11:37:37 AM  

SilentStrider: Agnostic here.
A Charlie Brown Christmas is one of the few times where I get to feel like a kid at Christmastime. Given that I'm in my 30's, I cherish this. Because those moments are few and far between.
So if anyone has a problem with Charlie Brown, and my love of it, I say to you this: SCREW YOU.


Amen Damn skippy! I have watched it almost every year for as long as
I can remember. My youngest starts getting excited around the beginning of Noveber
because he knows it's going to be on in a few weeks. He did a program search almost
two weeks ago or more to make sure he had it set up to record. Same thing with the
Thanksgiving special and the Mayflower special.

The end of CBC still makes my eyes tear up to this day. I'm a sap that way.

[CSB time]

My youngest went as Charlie Brown for Halloween -- Charlie Brown from It's The Great
Pumpkin Charlie Brown. I grabbed a sheet, cut a bunch of holes in it and gave him a
candy bukkit that had a sign on it that said:

I am Charlie Brown. No rocks please.

He made out like a bandit this year :)

[/end CSB]
 
2012-12-05 11:37:38 AM  
The atheist f*cks are more annoying than the pastor of Westboro Baptist!

what a bunch of sand-in-the-vagina pussy f*cks.

I'm not Catholic but I don't shiat my pants every time I see the Pope on the news.

Atheists SHOULD have the most civic-minded, volunteering, charity-based values. After all, no higher power - all we got is each other.

Instead, they poop their panties over a cartoon that is over 47 years old. Instead, they're bigger dicks to their own (you know...people?), on a daily basis, than ANY other faith-based belief system (because oh yeah, atheism is faith-based).

Jeebus, are you atheist f*ckers too lazy to use the remote? Because there are a LOT of TV programs that are on at any one point in time. Or try something more mentally stimulating like...reading, or have a hobby other than biatching about the irrelevant and watching TV shows you hate... 

Just a little suggestion for those whose stick up their arse has a stick up its arse.
 
2012-12-05 11:37:40 AM  

Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?


If you don't want your athiest hell bound child to go then don't sign the consent form.
 
2012-12-05 11:37:42 AM  

Lollipop165: MBrady: Unless some of the parents are members of the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers, the parents weren't the ones protesting.

According to the article, a parent contacted the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers.


Which is certainly headquartered somewhere outside of Arkansas
 
2012-12-05 11:38:02 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: R.A.Danny: This is what it is all about

Still gives me chills

It's all about shiatty animation (and trolling, apparently) for you?

You have an odd relationship with your god.


4.bp.blogspot.com
What Christmas is supposed to be about

c0389161.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com
What Christmas has been co-opted into

3.bp.blogspot.com
The ones who's festival was co-opted

2.bp.blogspot.com
The man that co-opted the date

/Merry Yule everyone.

NOTE: Celebrating anyone's birthday (Christ included) is considered a pagan tradition and frowned upon from a biblical perspective.
 
2012-12-05 11:38:11 AM  

Coco LaFemme: mgshamster: Coco LaFemme: FloydA: doczoidberg:

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.

Apatheist

Hey, that's me too. I give not one rat's wet asshole about anyone else's religious beliefs, and I have no desire to try and change people's minds about what they believe. Just mind your own farking business.

For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about what people believe and wishes them to just mind their own farking business, you sure do spend a lot of time trying convince them that they're wrong.

I don't spend any time trying to convince a Christian (or someone from any other faith) that they are wrong to be Christian, and as an atheist I am right. I have never done that once, either on Fark, or off it. I don't proselytize, nor do I have any desire to.


It wasn't the Christians to which I was referring.
 
2012-12-05 11:38:14 AM  

xanadian: Pertifly: xanadian: Someone forgot to tell these "freethinkers" that they do not have a Constitutional right to not be offended.

I'm an atheist and love the Charlie Brown holiday specials. I actually came in here to poo-poo the article, because Atheist outrage goes overboard sometimes (sometimes, a lot of the time).

But having a public school shuttle kids to a church to watch it... that's different than just watching it in the privacy of your own home. And it's illegal.

Valid, and I said so earlier, after I processed the whole article with my brain cell. Doesn't help that the very first paragraph says the group protested the PLAY and didn't mention that they were protesting the CHURCH for hosting the play. TFA initially said they just had a problem with the play.

Once again, though, this is FAUX NEWS, and they spin it to win it.


One of my favorite FOX moves was when they made all that noise about the "Ground Zero Mosque" being built near ground zero when there was already one within 4 blocks. Also the one being built was financed by Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal... who happened to be the second largest News Corp. (FOX's parent company) stockholder.

The station has a collectively dim view of muslims so it wasn't necessarily ironic that they were hating on one of their biggest financiers who's family is close with their favorite Presidential dynasty that runs a deeply religiously conservative country that provides the 2nd most of our oil imports. 

But I thought it was funny.
 
2012-12-05 11:38:24 AM  

IAmRight: Threatening lawsuits isn't voicing an opinion.


I love how suing something for something they should be sued for has become somehow wrong.
 
2012-12-05 11:39:01 AM  

citoriman: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people religious zealots hate atheists.


Charlie Brown and his insidious plan to establish a theocracy. Will that little bastard stop at nothing?
 
2012-12-05 11:39:33 AM  
It's Fox News, so I will take this with a grain of salt.

I love Christmas, but anymore I feel like the only 20-something that does. I don't get all the hate surrounding Christmas, how people groan about it and see it as a chore.

This is my first Christmas were I'm not going home and my Hubby is a Christmas hater. I miss having someone to share my enthusiasm with. :(

/Farking love Christmas Specials
//I'll get down with any other solstice-based celebration as well, the more the merrier!
 
2012-12-05 11:39:43 AM  
Thorak

Smartest

Funniest

2012-12-05 11:22:10 AM

kerryclendenon: Sounds like derp on all sides. The War on Christmas, and Fox's War on the War on Christmas. As long as all eyes are open and minds as well that this is a time of celebration of many cultures - pagans, Christians, Jews, etc, and all cultures are given equal weight in telling their stories, I am fine with it. I think the Atheist militance against traditions is annoying and makes me embarrassed to be an atheist. And Fox News's attempt at emphasizing their butt hurt over this is also embarrassing. Both sides need to chill out.

Separation of Church and State.

This is not a complicated or new issue. Those saying it's not a big deal and "atheists" should chill out are just completely missing the point; this has nothing to do with atheism, this has to do with the state sponsoring one faith over others. It's a constitutional breach. There's an issue here, but that issue is this; why do these Christians hate the Constitution and thus America?

A: I do not see this as an underwriting of a particular religion, or as an establishment of a national religion, because a local school, run but a local authority, decided to take kids who voluntarily agreed to go, to a play, where one of the actors accurately quotes a book, in describing the reason for the very holiday that a certain group of people follow. Christmas is a holiday that celebrates the birth of Jesus, a character in a series of religious stories.

B: there is nothing of the bigger picture in this article that I saw. Was this a social studies field trip? A look at culture? Was an overt ploy to wash kids in the blood of christ? Were there other opportunities to see Native American re-enactments of religious ceremonies? Who knows? This is not a reason to get your panties in a bundle.

When the derpy Christian right wants to overturn national law because some little tribe of people - surrounded by people who hated them - said it was bad - that's something to get mad about. Arguing over a school, run by a locality, transporting volunteers to a play, is going way overboard.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:15 AM  
Jon Stewart covered the Faux Nuze "War on Christmas" quite nicely.

Link
 
2012-12-05 11:40:27 AM  

WhippingBoy: So we live in a society where grown men watching "My Little Pony" should be celebrated


No, we don't. Brony-ism is stupid.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:31 AM  

R.A.Danny: Cythraul: R.A.Danny: I hope and pray that your hearts are turned back to the Lord. It isn't too late.

Sorry. I signed Satan's exclusivity deal.

So you DO believe?


You're brilliant. I will use that one in the future.

Damn atheists, acting like their nonbelief is a religion. I know some atheists that are more evangelical than any Christians I know. "None of the above" does not get equal representation.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:34 AM  
Many "atheists" are really just anti-Christian religious bigots. Calling yourself an "atheist" just makes it sound better.

Their entire goal is not being comfortable in their own beliefs but to cause as much angst as possible for those they disagree with.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:35 AM  

sethen320: Rincewind53: R.A.Danny: Rincewind53: Oh, so government sponsorship of a particular religion is okay as long as it's fun!

Down to about 4/10

I rate your attempt to classify me as a troll at about a 2/10.

Ill give you both 10/10 to shut up.


-threeve/10
 
2012-12-05 11:40:45 AM  
My how things have changed. When I was in elementary school, that was our school play. It was pretty good, too.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:52 AM  

FauxReal: xanadian: Pertifly: xanadian: Someone forgot to tell these "freethinkers" that they do not have a Constitutional right to not be offended.

I'm an atheist and love the Charlie Brown holiday specials. I actually came in here to poo-poo the article, because Atheist outrage goes overboard sometimes (sometimes, a lot of the time).

But having a public school shuttle kids to a church to watch it... that's different than just watching it in the privacy of your own home. And it's illegal.

Valid, and I said so earlier, after I processed the whole article with my brain cell. Doesn't help that the very first paragraph says the group protested the PLAY and didn't mention that they were protesting the CHURCH for hosting the play. TFA initially said they just had a problem with the play.

Once again, though, this is FAUX NEWS, and they spin it to win it.

One of my favorite FOX moves was when they made all that noise about the "Ground Zero Mosque" being built near ground zero when there was already one within 4 blocks. Also the one being built was financed by Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal... who happened to be the second largest News Corp. (FOX's parent company) stockholder.

The station has a collectively dim view of muslims so it wasn't necessarily ironic that they were hating on one of their biggest financiers who's family is close with their favorite Presidential dynasty that runs a deeply religiously conservative country that provides the 2nd most of our oil imports. 

But I thought it was funny.


There's a reason they never said the name of the financial backer of the mosque on their program.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:54 AM  

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.


The important thing here is to lump all atheists in with the extreme ones. You know, just like all religious people want to jihad themselves with a vest full of dynamite.
 
2012-12-05 11:41:01 AM  

doczoidberg: I'm an atheist, and this shiat annoys the hell out of me.
Why do atheists have to act like such a-holes?

And why isn't there just a word for someone who thinks the idea of a god is silly, but doesn't care to promote that thought to others? -- You know, like an apathetic atheist. An atheist who doesn't care what others do.

There should be a way to distinguish guys like me from those other jerks.


Thank you! Me too!
 
2012-12-05 11:41:08 AM  

shortymac: It's Fox News, so I will take this with a grain of salt.

I love Christmas, but anymore I feel like the only 20-something that does. I don't get all the hate surrounding Christmas, how people groan about it and see it as a chore.

This is my first Christmas were I'm not going home and my Hubby is a Christmas hater. I miss having someone to share my enthusiasm with. :(

/Farking love Christmas Specials
//I'll get down with any other solstice-based celebration as well, the more the merrier!


let the boy watch part of Rudolph last night for the first time. I haven't seen it in years. It's really weird. He was mesmerized though.
 
2012-12-05 11:41:10 AM  

jaybeezey: Rincewind53: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

Because they don't like children going to see school-sponsored plays in churches about the birth of Jesus?

If you don't want your athiest hell bound child to go then don't sign the consent form.


Yeahno. If the school wanted to take children to see Billy Graham give a sermon at a megachurch, they can't just claim it's voluntary. Doesn't work that way.
 
2012-12-05 11:41:17 AM  
I don't entirely agree with the complaint in question, but seriously guys, if this is the worst oppression "Militant Atheists" are capable of, I'm less than terrorized.
 
2012-12-05 11:41:33 AM  

Gentoolive: minoridiot: Aren't field trips optional?

Yes, but this is textbook libtard atheist. If they don't like something, they must make sure NOONE else can make their own decissions.


Your lack of proper spelling gives you away as an uneducated hick, and the fundie approach seals the deal. Go beat your Bible over in the Middle East where the rest of the bigots, moral police, and religious nuts live.
 
2012-12-05 11:42:17 AM  

mgshamster: Coco LaFemme: Marcintosh: Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why people hate atheists.

and this is why atheists hate religion - most adherents to any particular religion seem to be blissfully unaware that another view point exists and if they ARE aware the adherents are dismissive of that view point.

Think about the quandary of a muslim family might be in here - allow the kid to go and violate their religious feelings etc or deny their kid the trip and wonder if he'll be ostracized for it.

These two trivial points are just that - trivial points - there very well could be other far more important issues in play.

On the surface it seems harmless enough but it in fact introduces a complication into others lives that just doesn't need to be there and in fact shouldn't be there.

So yeah, cultural and religious ignorance sucks and in todays United States, shouldn't be there.

Plus, it's that crappy Chuck Brown schlock - I've had it up to here with that dead guys cartoons - bring back Prince Valium

I was raised Catholic. I no longer am, but that's beside the point. I was raised Catholic, and often was exposed to non-Catholic teachings, whether it was from visiting another faith's place of worship or learning about it in class. THAT'S THE POINT OF LEARNING. How can you claim to be devoutly religious, yet the mere exposure to someone else's faith can make you suddenly question your own? Attending a bar mitzvah when I wasn't Jewish didn't invalidate the fact that I was Catholic, and didn't "violate" anything that had to do with my Catholicism. I was learning about a tradition from another faith, and it was interesting.

Learning about other religions is not "state-sponsored indoctrination", nor should it be sneered upon as such.

You must not know what it's like to be a Muslim in a primarily christian area. Here: educate yourself (audio, 33 min, transcript available).

/Consider yourself fortunate to live in an area a little bit more tolerant than the norm.


I don't live in a tolerant area. Where I live and where I grew up are not the same thing. I grew up in Chicago, IL and currently live in Redneckville, NC. And no, seeing as I was a Catholic and now are not, I don't know what it's like to be Muslim. Or any other faith. I do however, know what it was like for my friends growing up who were not Christians, and they had a rough road. Not because of their specific faith, but just because they weren't Christians. It's ugly and unnecessary, and not a quality about some people in this country I like.

Epicedion: Coco LaFemme: I was raised Catholic. I no longer am, but that's beside the point. I was raised Catholic, and often was exposed to non-Catholic teachings, whether it was from visiting another faith's place of worship or learning about it in class. THAT'S THE POINT OF LEARNING.

Yes, we get it, you're incredibly smart and privileged and every experience you could possibly have is ultimately spinnable into some positive life-affirming wondrous examination of the self.

Over here in reality, uncomfortable shiat is often just uncomfortable. And Constitutionally disallowed shiat is still Constitutionally disallowed.


I'm not incredibly smart or privileged. The last thing I am is privileged. My parents would get a kick out of that one.
 
2012-12-05 11:42:20 AM  

probesport: And so this is Christmas?


What have we done?