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2012-12-05 09:32:14 AM  
MSG?
 
2012-12-05 09:33:58 AM  
Secret - they haven't been in a few years.
 
2012-12-05 09:37:05 AM  
Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.
 
2012-12-05 09:38:19 AM  

Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.


Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".
 
2012-12-05 09:42:42 AM  

DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".


That's a shame. Before Cars 2, I don't think there was a single Pixar film that I didn't at least 'like a lot,' if not 'love.'

Who do we blame for this? I blame Disney. They're convenient.
 
2012-12-05 10:27:45 AM  
Their writing staff appears to have taken a hit of some kind. Toy Story 3 for example was ridiculously good. Lately though their stories have been much more...uninspiring...
 
2012-12-05 10:31:28 AM  
UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.
 
2012-12-05 10:33:09 AM  

Elandriel: Their writing staff appears to have taken a hit of some kind. Toy Story 3 for example was ridiculously good. Lately though their stories have been much more...uninspiring...


Toy Story 3 was a little heavy for little kids though.
 
2012-12-05 10:43:34 AM  

ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.


Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.
 
2012-12-05 10:43:46 AM  

Elandriel: Their writing staff appears to have taken a hit of some kind. Toy Story 3 for example was ridiculously good. Lately though their stories have been much more...uninspiring...


Maybe it's a rather simple explanation? Not every artist stays in their prime forever, ya know. It could just be that the muse has started to get bored and has fled back to Arcadia.
 
2012-12-05 10:44:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.


You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.
 
2012-12-05 10:46:14 AM  

Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.


Too much action for action's sake. Lame deus ex machina conclusion. Boring talking dog subplot.
 
2012-12-05 10:59:32 AM  

DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".


My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.

This may be one of those situations where, if you have a penis, you won't "get it," or something.
 
2012-12-05 10:59:56 AM  

ManateeGag: Toy Story 3 was a little heavy for little kids though.

Yeah I think the movie was actually more aimed toward the people who were kids when watching Toy Story and "grew up with the franchise". So, heading off to college or whatever, here's a much heavier story with much more adult themes as a send-off of sorts.

Cythraul: Maybe it's a rather simple explanation? Not every artist stays in their prime forever, ya know. It could just be that the muse has started to get bored and has fled back to Arcadia.

Very possible.
 
2012-12-05 11:29:57 AM  

Shostie: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.

This may be one of those situations where, if you have a penis, you won't "get it," or something.


I wasn't pleased with it either. It would have been better if the triplets had been taken away or put in grave danger, and Merida was the one who braved incredible odds and harrowing ordeals to bring them safe to the kingdom, instead of that touchy-feely mother/daughter crap they foisted on us.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:36 AM  

Shostie: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.


Your wife is probably a lesbian.
 
2012-12-05 11:53:03 AM  
Great Writing.

reads long article
Details?
Meh, My version of the article is better and a lot less worry.
 
2012-12-05 11:55:13 AM  
I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.
 
2012-12-05 11:55:29 AM  

bdub77: Shostie: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.

Your wife is probably a lesbian.


Go on...
 
2012-12-05 11:58:12 AM  

DamnYankees: Secret - they haven't been in a few years.


Except for Toy Story 3, you mean. In fact, they've released six films in the last five years of which one was bad (Cars 2) and one was middling (Brave), the rest being generally regarded as excellent. I'm sure you will say "a few" means "two" thus preserving your correctness.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:01 AM  

r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.


I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:20 AM  
Brave is a great movie if you shut it off the second Merida's arrow hits the target.

If you continue watching it quickly goes from a girl who kicks ass to a whiny child with mommy issues.
 
2012-12-05 12:02:54 PM  
The scripts. When they're good, they're very, very good.
 
2012-12-05 12:03:53 PM  

Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.


Two words: Talking. Dogs.
 
2012-12-05 12:06:13 PM  

Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.


The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger
 
2012-12-05 12:08:20 PM  

moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger


Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.
 
2012-12-05 12:08:46 PM  

factoryconnection: DamnYankees: Secret - they haven't been in a few years.

Except for Toy Story 3, you mean. In fact, they've released six films in the last five years of which one was bad (Cars 2) and one was middling (Brave), the rest being generally regarded as excellent. I'm sure you will say "a few" means "two" thus preserving your correctness.


Ratatouille was a terrible bog-standard kids movie. Toy Story 3 had the same plot as Toy Story 2.
 
2012-12-05 12:09:29 PM  
Story. Pacing. Art work. Acting.

All of these used to be what made Pixar movies good. I think marketing is the only that makes Pixar movies good anymore.

/all right....maybe just a little troll in there but when they were good...oh my...and Wall-E was very enjoyable
 
2012-12-05 12:09:40 PM  

Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger

Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.


So you're proudly repeating nonsense?
 
2012-12-05 12:10:12 PM  
Why are they good:
1. Good writing, in that there is a solid base story, witty dialogue, and multi-level humor without being cheap (See: Shrek fart jokes)
2. Excellent voice acting, and not because they're doing silly voices, but also because the actors are playing roles not themselves. (See: Bee Movie for Jerry Seinfeld and Patrick Warburton playing basically their Seinfeld characters)
3. Starting with a good movie before making it a kids' movie/product tie-in. This was Cars 2's major downfall: they focused on the most marketable toy and added a bunch of other products to hawk in the movie.
4. Stunning visuals and attention to detail, which gives parents subjected to endless re-watches more to appreciate.

And that's why, as a parent I don't mind re-watching any Toy Story or How to Train Your Dragon (not Pixar) or Tangled (not Pixar) but other movies just grind my freaking gears and are removed from the rotation.
 
2012-12-05 12:10:35 PM  

ManateeGag: Elandriel: Their writing staff appears to have taken a hit of some kind. Toy Story 3 for example was ridiculously good. Lately though their stories have been much more...uninspiring...

Toy Story 3 was a little heavy for little kids though.


I don't think you're giving little kids enough credit. They deserve to be left weeping uncontrollably at the end of the movie just like the rest of us.
 
2012-12-05 12:11:28 PM  

Cythraul: I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.


I just watched Pierce Brosnan's Robinson Curusoe from 1997. For an Irish/Englishman, that was a painfully bad Scottish accent.

Anyway, Pixar hires minimally competant writers, but that's still better than Dreamworks, which doesn't seem to hire writers at all. I don't know why anyone would greenlight a 100 million dollar movie without a great script.
 
2012-12-05 12:13:38 PM  
I figured the problem with Brave revolved around switching directors mid-stream, with both directors having different visions and a looming deadline that forced them to hammer out a haphazard story.
 
2012-12-05 12:15:04 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.


This. Everybody loves UP, but that's the only scene they remember. The animation and voice acting (namely, Ed Asner) was up to Pixar standards, but the story was boring.
 
2012-12-05 12:15:35 PM  
Um...because they're mostly well-written, well-animated, well-produced, well-directed, and well-acted?
 
2012-12-05 12:17:09 PM  

moothemagiccow: Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger

Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.

So you're proudly repeating nonsense?


Umm, no. I've heard of instances where American southern actors were asked to 'redneckify' their accents for a film because they didn't sound 'southern enough.'

So, in this instance, it could be possible.
 
2012-12-05 12:19:13 PM  

ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.


OMG that sequence was off the charts win. In a rip your heart out, chew it up, spit it out, and throw it on the ground sort way. If you can sit through it without tearing up, you have no soul.
 
2012-12-05 12:21:06 PM  
I don't understand the usage of "toe that line" in the last question. It doesn't make any sense.
 
2012-12-05 12:21:57 PM  
I thought Brave was all right, but my wife absolutely loved it. I have to give them credit, it's the kind of film that I've never seen before, focusing so much on the Mother/Daughter bond. It was a bold move, and white it didn't resonate with me, props to them for taking a chance. And not just remaking Mulan.

Of course, the animated film that got me this year was Wreck It Ralph. Saw that movie twice and both times it got me in a way that Pixar really hasn't the past few years. When a movie makes me laugh out loud and tear up in the same minute, it's a great film. (Even the short at the beginning, with the paper airplanes, was utterly fantastic and right up there with any Pixar short.) I really want to see Wreck It Ralph win best animated film next year at the Oscars.

I am a bit nervous about the Monsters Inc. Prequel. It's going to be cute and funny, but can they really top the emotional climax of the first one? Will they be able to match the absolute emotional awesome that is the final moment when Sully peeks his head in the door? It still gets me every time.
 
2012-12-05 12:22:51 PM  

kumanoki: ManateeGag: Elandriel: Their writing staff appears to have taken a hit of some kind. Toy Story 3 for example was ridiculously good. Lately though their stories have been much more...uninspiring...

Toy Story 3 was a little heavy for little kids though.

I don't think you're giving little kids enough credit. They deserve to be left weeping uncontrollably at the end of the movie just like the rest of us.


But little kids won't be. They don't have the frame of reference for the ending to have that impact. Adults, and older kids, sure. But your average 4 year old won't be getting a lump in their throat.
 
2012-12-05 12:27:35 PM  

moothemagiccow: Toy Story 3 had the same plot as Toy Story 2.


Wow, I missed the Toy Store, evil toy owner, and airplane sequences in Toy Story 3. Not to mention the inner workings of the daycare in Toy Story 2.

Do you actually pay attention to the films, or just spout nonsense after having them on in the background?

WAIT! I'm overreacting, there were characters that were in both films. That, they had in common.
 
2012-12-05 12:28:00 PM  
soporific: Will they be able to match the absolute emotional awesome that is the final moment when Sully peeks his head in the door? It still gets me every time.

"Kitty!"

/choked up just typing that
 
2012-12-05 12:28:18 PM  
I'll say one thing about Brave. We just got back from Disney World (I have three daughters) and the "cast members" they have signed up to play Princess Merida with the redhair? Daddy likey very much

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2012-12-05 12:30:33 PM  
Brave is good for a Disney movie, but not as a Pixar movie.

I have high hopes for Monsters University.
 
2012-12-05 12:34:27 PM  
Wreck-it Ralph > Brave
 
2012-12-05 12:35:56 PM  
Good? They jump the shark in every single one of their movies. Its like they started animating, realizing their idea will last about 30 minutes of screen time, and so they have to turn the plot on it head....
 
2012-12-05 12:39:25 PM  
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It's all finished and now sits in my office.
 
2012-12-05 12:39:46 PM  

Hebalo: Do you actually pay attention to the films, or just spout nonsense after having them on in the background?


We must have also missed the over-arching theme in Toy Story 2 of Andy moving on with his life without his toys. Oh, wait... that didn't happen either. Maybe you're on to something.

I've seen those movies WAAAAAY too many times to let that stupid-assed comment slide.
 
2012-12-05 12:40:53 PM  
Pixar movies: "it would be cool to see these actors in a LIVE ACTION something together---instead they did this."
 
2012-12-05 12:41:14 PM  

iggyskuz: Wreck-it Ralph > Brave


I haven't seen Brave yet, but damn Wreck-it Ralph was a good movie.
 
2012-12-05 12:41:37 PM  
For those you you complaining about Brave and how Pixar has deteriorated, go watch A Bugs Life.

/they go in cycles
//still better than 90% of what Hollywood usually poops out
 
2012-12-05 12:41:39 PM  

factoryconnection: Tangled


Tangled is a good illustration of why Pixar is better than Disney. I thought it was OK -- the horse was funny -- but it wasn't a great movie at all. A good example of that difference is the music. At some point there's this break-it-down hip-hop beat or something, which totally breaks the "Renaissance" period mood of the movie. You can just see the corporate types asking each other "how can we jazzify this movie, make it more fresh and funky for the kids?"

Pretty lame stuff IMHO, and is exactly what Pixar avoids.
 
2012-12-05 12:42:30 PM  
Also I see that the Pixar backlash has begun. God you all sound like a bunch of hipsters. "I haven't really been into Pixar since The Incredibles, no I'm watching animation by a small studio in Uzbekistan. You've probably never heard of it"
 
2012-12-05 12:44:18 PM  
I should add that Pixar is generally good at making a movie in a new universe, telling a story, and then letting it drop. I'd love to see "The Incredibles 2" but there's no way it can match was was in the first movie. Toy Story 2 was okay, Toy Story 3 was good if you were older and could understand the themes. Haven't watched Cars 2.
 
2012-12-05 12:46:15 PM  

enry: For those you you complaining about Brave and how Pixar has deteriorated, go watch A Bugs Life.

/they go in cycles
//still better than 90% of what Hollywood usually poops out


Aw... I liked A Bug's Life... Kinda like 7 Samurais with bugs...
 
2012-12-05 12:46:22 PM  
Even their bad movies aren't bad.
 
2012-12-05 12:48:12 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Also I see that the Pixar backlash has begun. God you all sound like a bunch of hipsters. "I haven't really been into Pixar since The Incredibles, no I'm watching animation by a small studio in Uzbekistan. You've probably never heard of it"


animationreview.files.wordpress.com

You mean Czechoslovakia, right?
 
2012-12-05 12:52:04 PM  

DeltaPunch: Tangled is a good illustration of why Pixar is better than Disney.


Wreck-It Ralph kind of came in and evened the odds a little bit. If it was a Pixar movie, I would put it somewhere in the top 10.
 
2012-12-05 12:53:20 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Also I see that the Pixar backlash has begun. God you all sound like a bunch of hipsters. "I haven't really been into Pixar since The Incredibles, no I'm watching animation by a small studio in Uzbekistan. You've probably never heard of it"


Am I a hipster if I never liked any of them?

I'll admit I haven't seen all or even most of them, but why would I after establishing that I don't like them?
 
2012-12-05 12:53:31 PM  
Grown men arguing over kids movies, especially a "Disney Princess" movie, cracks me the fark up.

/my daughter LOVED Brave.
 
2012-12-05 12:54:47 PM  

Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.


Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.
 
2012-12-05 12:55:09 PM  
I loved wreck it Ralph.
 
2012-12-05 12:57:27 PM  
They're not good. They're formulaic to the point of self-parody, written by committee, designed to elicit emotional responses as coldly and clinically as a science experiment on a monkey's brain, and don't have a shred of authenticity or artistic value to them. Pixar movies are to American culture as Wal*Mart and Best Buy are to the retail shopping experience. They encourage nothing but mindless consumption and predictable, uninteresting and ultimately unfulfilling, hollow emotional experiences that substitute for real life in a way that is psychically damaging.

Plus Lightning McQueen is a douchebag. Seriously, think about it. He's a complete selfish tool and people around him not only put up with his shiat, they reward him for it and the ultimate lesson of the movie is that retards and hicks will do anything for you if you just act like enough of a dick to them.
 
2012-12-05 12:57:41 PM  

enry: NuttierThanEver: Also I see that the Pixar backlash has begun. God you all sound like a bunch of hipsters. "I haven't really been into Pixar since The Incredibles, no I'm watching animation by a small studio in Uzbekistan. You've probably never heard of it"

[animationreview.files.wordpress.com image 425x323]

You mean Czechoslovakia, right?


video580.vkadre.ru

My favorite is Worker and Parasite
 
2012-12-05 12:58:00 PM  

theurge14: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.


You know what else is stupid? Talking mice.

I'm looking at you Mickey.

You too, Minnie.
 
2012-12-05 12:59:51 PM  

DeltaPunch: Tangled is a good illustration of why Pixar is better than Disney. I thought it was OK -- the horse was funny -- but it wasn't a great movie at all. A good example of that difference is the music. At some point there's this break-it-down hip-hop beat or something, which totally breaks the "Renaissance" period mood of the movie. You can just see the corporate types asking each other "how can we jazzify this movie, make it more fresh and funky for the kids?"


That was pretty good.

Now do "Pampers vs. Huggies"

or "Similac vs. Infamil"

Kids everywhere are on pins and needles waiting on your insight.
 
2012-12-05 01:01:21 PM  
The only thing I didn't like about Brave was that the will-o-wisps acted as a deus ex machina. Plus they're supposed to lead people to their death, not help them out.
 
2012-12-05 01:03:02 PM  
Because they're not?
 
2012-12-05 01:10:08 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-05 01:12:24 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: enry: NuttierThanEver: Also I see that the Pixar backlash has begun. God you all sound like a bunch of hipsters. "I haven't really been into Pixar since The Incredibles, no I'm watching animation by a small studio in Uzbekistan. You've probably never heard of it"

[animationreview.files.wordpress.com image 425x323]

You mean Czechoslovakia, right?

[video580.vkadre.ru image 320x240]

My favorite is Worker and Parasite


No love for Johannes Chimpo?

cf.juggle-images.com
 
2012-12-05 01:17:11 PM  

enry: NuttierThanEver: Also I see that the Pixar backlash has begun. God you all sound like a bunch of hipsters. "I haven't really been into Pixar since The Incredibles, no I'm watching animation by a small studio in Uzbekistan. You've probably never heard of it"

[animationreview.files.wordpress.com image 425x323]

You mean Czechoslovakia, right?


Ye Gods those were awful cartoons. The sounds were otherworldly bad. How do you screw up a cat chasing a mouse?
 
2012-12-05 01:19:07 PM  

Slow To Return: DeltaPunch: Tangled is a good illustration of why Pixar is better than Disney. I thought it was OK -- the horse was funny -- but it wasn't a great movie at all. A good example of that difference is the music. At some point there's this break-it-down hip-hop beat or something, which totally breaks the "Renaissance" period mood of the movie. You can just see the corporate types asking each other "how can we jazzify this movie, make it more fresh and funky for the kids?"

That was pretty good.

Now do "Pampers vs. Huggies"

or "Similac vs. Infamil"

Kids everywhere are on pins and needles waiting on your insight.


So you waltz into a thread where everyone is talking about Disney/Pixar movies and proceed to post three separate comments berating the fact that adults are talking about kids movies?

What cracks ME up is that you have a daughter. Somewhere, there's a little girl whose father goes online and acts like a dick on anonymous website forums... what a role model you are!
 
2012-12-05 01:25:38 PM  

ManateeGag: Elandriel: Their writing staff appears to have taken a hit of some kind. Toy Story 3 for example was ridiculously good. Lately though their stories have been much more...uninspiring...

Toy Story 3 was a little heavy for little kids though.


That was the glory of it, though. It was written for the people who saw Toy Story 1 in theaters.
 
2012-12-05 01:26:31 PM  
Wreck It Ralph was awesome.

/Brave = meh.
//Cars 2 = punishment for bad kids to be viewed while they're in time out.
 
2012-12-05 01:29:47 PM  

willfullyobscure: Plus Lightning McQueen is a douchebag. Seriously, think about it. He's a complete selfish tool and people around him not only put up with his shiat, they reward him for it and the ultimate lesson of the movie is that retards and hicks will do anything for you if you just act like enough of a dick to them.


OR.... The people around him make him atone for his dickishness (buy building a road), and his time spent with them makes him reconsider his behaviour, resulting in friendships with them, his turning down the big money for loyalty, and his moving to live with them, while the town prospers.

Seriously, did you watch a different movie? Or did you maybe think Lightning McQueen was the Green car?
 
2012-12-05 01:29:49 PM  
Other than not being a huge fan of Cars and Ratatouille churning my stomach when I watch it, I think Pixar far and away makes the best kids movies that are watchable as an adult. I have 3 yr old twins and about the only pixar movie they won't watch is UP. I'm just glad there's a nice range of movies that aren't completely objectionable to have on in the background.

If you ask me which Pixar movies I really like, I'd have to say Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc. and UP. I personally love the talking dogs in the fighter planes.

/squirrel!
 
2012-12-05 01:31:34 PM  

Miss Stein: Shostie: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.

This may be one of those situations where, if you have a penis, you won't "get it," or something.

I wasn't pleased with it either. It would have been better if the triplets had been taken away or put in grave danger, and Merida was the one who braved incredible odds and harrowing ordeals to bring them safe to the kingdom, instead of that touchy-feely mother/daughter crap they foisted on us.


I wouldn't have minded Brave so much if the moral of the story was "Both mom and daughter need to compromise a little."

Instead, we get an ending where mom let's the daughter be a tom-boy....without any scenes of the daughter also giving in a ruling like the princess her mom wants her to be.

In essence, the moral of the story is "put your parents through hell, and they'll give you what you want eventually."
 
2012-12-05 01:38:21 PM  

Hebalo: willfullyobscure: Plus Lightning McQueen is a douchebag. Seriously, think about it. He's a complete selfish tool and people around him not only put up with his shiat, they reward him for it and the ultimate lesson of the movie is that retards and hicks will do anything for you if you just act like enough of a dick to them.

OR.... The people around him make him atone for his dickishness (buy building a road), and his time spent with them makes him reconsider his behaviour, resulting in friendships with them, his turning down the big money for loyalty, and his moving to live with them, while the town prospers.

Seriously, did you watch a different movie? Or did you maybe think Lightning McQueen was the Green car?


He repaved the road that he tore up while running from the cops

And nothing suggests that he helped revive the town. Unless he knows how to refill neon tubes, get electricity going, etc. He only spent time with them, first to get the interest of the chick character, and then the rest after having some shallow, pasted on coming to God moment.
 
2012-12-05 01:43:48 PM  

RidgeRunner5: He repaved the road that he tore up while running from the cops

And nothing suggests that he helped revive the town. Unless he knows how to refill neon tubes, get electricity going, etc. He only spent time with them, first to get the interest of the chick character, and then the rest after having some shallow, pasted on coming to God moment.



Yes, but his sentence was to repave the road, which he did, he redeemed himself. First, he did a shiatty, self involved job of it. Then he went back and did it properly. But the point stands that through the punishment, he became a better car.

And yes, at first his intentions were selfish, but that changes as he spent time with them. And he revived the town by moving his headquarters there, and by talking them up in his interviews. At the end of the film, the town is bustling with traffic. That doesn't happen without him.

/ Am I the only one who pays attention?
 
2012-12-05 01:45:25 PM  

BizarreMan: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

OMG that sequence was off the charts win. In a rip your heart out, chew it up, spit it out, and throw it on the ground sort way. If you can sit through it without tearing up, you have no soul.


When I saw it in the theater, when if fades to black at the end of the scene there was complete silence. Not a single sound being made. Then some little kid turned to his parents and you hear "Is it over?". Needless to say a chuckle broke out and the spell was broken.
 
2012-12-05 01:52:15 PM  
I thought Brave was "meh," but I later realized these are kids' movies. I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult. So I haven't bothered to see a Wreck-It Ralph or whatever since. When I have kids I'll be subjected to that stuff all over, but for now, give me something with cussing, tits and blood in it.
 
2012-12-05 01:52:33 PM  
I just checked it: Wreck-It Ralph was a Disney film, not a Pixar one. This surprised me, as in terms of animation and writing quality, it easily looked like Pixar material.
 
2012-12-05 01:52:58 PM  

RidgeRunner5: Hebalo: willfullyobscure: Plus Lightning McQueen is a douchebag. Seriously, think about it. He's a complete selfish tool and people around him not only put up with his shiat, they reward him for it and the ultimate lesson of the movie is that retards and hicks will do anything for you if you just act like enough of a dick to them.

OR.... The people around him make him atone for his dickishness (buy building a road), and his time spent with them makes him reconsider his behaviour, resulting in friendships with them, his turning down the big money for loyalty, and his moving to live with them, while the town prospers.

Seriously, did you watch a different movie? Or did you maybe think Lightning McQueen was the Green car?

He repaved the road that he tore up while running from the cops

And nothing suggests that he helped revive the town. Unless he knows how to refill neon tubes, get electricity going, etc. He only spent time with them, first to get the interest of the chick character, and then the rest after having some shallow, pasted on coming to God moment.


You seriously need to watch "Doc Hollywood", and realize that Cars is a direct copy. At least Michael J Fox is believable why he adopts the town.
 
2012-12-05 01:55:14 PM  

Klaumbaz: RidgeRunner5: Hebalo: willfullyobscure: Plus Lightning McQueen is a douchebag. Seriously, think about it. He's a complete selfish tool and people around him not only put up with his shiat, they reward him for it and the ultimate lesson of the movie is that retards and hicks will do anything for you if you just act like enough of a dick to them.

OR.... The people around him make him atone for his dickishness (buy building a road), and his time spent with them makes him reconsider his behaviour, resulting in friendships with them, his turning down the big money for loyalty, and his moving to live with them, while the town prospers.

Seriously, did you watch a different movie? Or did you maybe think Lightning McQueen was the Green car?

He repaved the road that he tore up while running from the cops

And nothing suggests that he helped revive the town. Unless he knows how to refill neon tubes, get electricity going, etc. He only spent time with them, first to get the interest of the chick character, and then the rest after having some shallow, pasted on coming to God moment.

You seriously need to watch "Doc Hollywood", and realize that Cars is a direct copy. At least Michael J Fox is believable why he adopts the town.


Doc Hollywood, now there's one I haven't watched in ages. Time to check Amazon VOD. *Bam* in the wishlist it goes.
 
2012-12-05 01:57:39 PM  
Finding Nemo has been showing on cable lately and damn if that's not one of the most beautiful-looking animated movies I've ever seen. The detail is just stunning.

/Excellent story, too.
 
2012-12-05 02:02:18 PM  

Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger

Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.


That's probably because Americans wouldn't be able to understand them if they used their native accent.
 
2012-12-05 02:04:21 PM  

factoryconnection: Tangled (not Pixar)


I couldn't finish Tangled. First musical number and I ejected the DVD and sent it back to Netflix. Why does Disney keep doing that?
 
2012-12-05 02:05:15 PM  

FriarED1: Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger

Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.

That's probably because Americans wouldn't be able to understand them if they used their native accent.


Hell, southern yanks have confused my Canuckian accent as Scottish - or Irish ("Which one of them countries has dudes in dresses?").
 
2012-12-05 02:06:30 PM  
There are only two Pixar movies I didn't like: Ratatouille and Cars 2. Cars 2 was a shameless money grab that should have been a direct to DVD dump. Rat never grabbed me. I didn't give a wet crap about anyone in the movie.
 
2012-12-05 02:06:33 PM  

verbaltoxin: I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult.


imgs.xkcd.com

/just because I have adult responsibilities now doesn't mean I need to stop enjoying childish things
 
2012-12-05 02:07:16 PM  

snowshovel: I wouldn't have minded Brave so much if the moral of the story was "Both mom and daughter need to compromise a little."

Instead, we get an ending where mom let's the daughter be a tom-boy....without any scenes of the daughter also giving in a ruling like the princess her mom wants her to be.

In essence, the moral of the story is "put your parents through hell, and they'll give you what you want eventually."


The movie should have ended with the rival clans sacking the castle and burning everything down after realizing that everyone was being cut out of the action through the lack of a political marriage.
 
2012-12-05 02:07:59 PM  
For the longest time Pixar's secret was in NOT doing things.

Then they started making sequels and it all went to shiat.
 
2012-12-05 02:09:36 PM  

oldfarthenry: FriarED1: Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger

Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.

That's probably because Americans wouldn't be able to understand them if they used their native accent.

Hell, southern yanks have confused my Canuckian accent as Scottish - or Irish ("Which one of them countries has dudes in dresses?").


By 'southern yank,' I guess you mean Americans from the cultural region known as 'the south?' I've never had a problem with Canadian accents. I usually can't tell the difference from a Canadian accent and an American accent, unless they say a word like 'about.'

The exceptions to that would be the Newfie and Quebec accents.
 
2012-12-05 02:13:18 PM  
I just saw Brave for the first time last weekend. I thought it was pretty bad as far as Pixar movies go.
 
2012-12-05 02:18:37 PM  

Burr: verbaltoxin: I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 700x231]

/just because I have adult responsibilities now doesn't mean I need to stop enjoying childish things


And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.

If you want to pay $10/head to watch digital bedtime stories, more power to you.
 
2012-12-05 02:20:38 PM  
Because they require that all their stories be told in a Hero's Story format, subby.
 
2012-12-05 02:26:02 PM  

verbaltoxin: Burr: verbaltoxin: I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 700x231]

/just because I have adult responsibilities now doesn't mean I need to stop enjoying childish things

And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.

If you want to pay $10/head to watch digital bedtime stories, more power to you.


What a big boy you are!
 
2012-12-05 02:29:38 PM  

bdub77: Shostie: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.

Your wife is probably a lesbian.


whatculture.com

Agrees.

/hotter than a old timer hockey scrum
 
2012-12-05 02:32:16 PM  

Slow To Return: Grown men arguing over kids movies, especially a "Disney Princess" movie, cracks me the fark up.


Don't make me start summoning Bronies. I'll do it! I swear I will!
 
2012-12-05 02:32:39 PM  

verbaltoxin: And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.


More power to you. I have decided that means drinking whiskey, gardening, grilling, watching football, fixing cars, creating computer programs, playing video games, watching cartoons, and whatever else I want do...because I could care less if somebody thinks its "childish" or not. If you want to hang on to some abstract notion of "adult entertainment" then it is your loss. I on the other hand will enjoy life to it's fullest.

Also...

verbaltoxin: watching pro wrestling


...speaking of "digital bedtime stories"
 
2012-12-05 02:35:11 PM  

Cythraul: verbaltoxin: Burr: verbaltoxin: I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 700x231]

/just because I have adult responsibilities now doesn't mean I need to stop enjoying childish things

And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.

If you want to pay $10/head to watch digital bedtime stories, more power to you.

What a big boy you are!


You don't frequent the Sports tab on Mondays, I'll bet. I get my nerd on there, I'm not ashamed of it. But I just can't watch the kiddie movies anymore. I want to watch stuff like Serpico or old, Vincent Price movies.

I love how defensive you get over your own pet childhood obsessions though.
 
2012-12-05 02:37:00 PM  

Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.


It's a fairy tale about communication problems between a mother and daughter. It wasn't terrible, but I wouldn't watch it again (unlike walle, toy story, the incredibles, cars, etc; that you could watch several times and enjoy)
 
2012-12-05 02:38:38 PM  

Burr: verbaltoxin: And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.

More power to you. I have decided that means drinking whiskey, gardening, grilling, watching football, fixing cars, creating computer programs, playing video games, watching cartoons, and whatever else I want do...because I could care less if somebody thinks its "childish" or not. If you want to hang on to some abstract notion of "adult entertainment" then it is your loss. I on the other hand will enjoy life to it's fullest.

Also...

verbaltoxin: watching pro wrestling

...speaking of "digital bedtime stories"




Invalidation followed by passive aggression. Tell me, does Merida strike something within you that disturbs you, and that's why you get defensive? Is it an urge that dare not speak its name?

Because frankly I don't mind watching two, rippling-muscled men tustle together ion a canvas, sweat oozing, their tight spandex slipping every so slightly, and their bodies locked in a tight, physical dance of theatrical sensuality.

/Just cutting you off at the pass.
 
2012-12-05 02:39:49 PM  

Hebalo: willfullyobscure: Plus Lightning McQueen is a douchebag. Seriously, think about it. He's a complete selfish tool and people around him not only put up with his shiat, they reward him for it and the ultimate lesson of the movie is that retards and hicks will do anything for you if you just act like enough of a dick to them.

OR.... The people around him make him atone for his dickishness (buy building a road), and his time spent with them makes him reconsider his behaviour, resulting in friendships with them, his turning down the big money for loyalty, and his moving to live with them, while the town prospers.

Seriously, did you watch a different movie? Or did you maybe think Lightning McQueen was the Green car?


He built the road to pay for tearing it up- straight equivalence. He did seem to enjoy the townspeople once he got bored with making fun of them, but he dropped them like a hot rock to go back to racing, where he was in a slump thanks to being a tool and suffering from boredom. No change there, he was still in a slump when he went back. The whole town experience could have been a bad dream as far as he was concerned. until the townspeople showed up on their own dime to support his race, with free tires, free special fuel and free pit work. He got exited and fired up to win because he realized he had a bunch of sycophants that turned their lives upside for him, not becuase they needed him or anything.

There's nothing to suggest Rust Eze wasn't paying him plenty of money, he was a star rookie with a fully equipped race team and clearly able to outperform the competition until he decided to go all Holden Caulfield on his sponsors. Dinoco was a prestige sponsor, not a money bill. He was embarrassed to be sponsored by a hemorrhoid cream--again, dickish all the way around.

He went back to Radiator Springs and brought them some business, sure, but why? So his race team could have cheap real estate and cheap labor and he could get some over the hill Porsche poon. About the only two times McQueen acted like a decent person where when he got Mater a ride in the copter and when Doc taught him how to drift on dirt. And even that! There is nothing douchebaggier than needing to be beaten into submission before you finally show some respect.

the ENTIRE lesson of that movie was: believe in yourself and other people will suck your dick. Cars 2 was much, much better, since he actually had to work for a living for once and they let Mater and the spy cars take lead in the story.
 
2012-12-05 02:40:10 PM  

DeltaPunch: What cracks ME up is that you have a daughter. Somewhere, there's a little girl whose father goes online and acts like a dick on anonymous website forums... what a role model you are!


I tell you what, pumpkin. I'm going to Target later today to get Christmas presents. Brave for my daughter, Dark Knight for my son.

I can pick you up a copy of Brave, if you like.

Friends?
 
2012-12-05 02:48:12 PM  

willfullyobscure: He built the road to pay for tearing it up- straight equivalence. He did seem to enjoy the townspeople once he got bored with making fun of them, but he dropped them like a hot rock to go back to racing, where he was in a slump thanks to being a tool and suffering from boredom. No change there, he was still in a slump when he went back. The whole town experience could have been a bad dream as far as he was concerned. until the townspeople showed up on their own dime to support his race, with free tires, free special fuel and free pit work. He got exited and fired up to win because he realized he had a bunch of sycophants that turned their lives upside for him, not becuase they needed him or anything.

There's nothing to suggest Rust Eze wasn't paying him plenty of money, he was a star rookie with a fully equipped race team and clearly able to outperform the competition until he decided to go all Holden Caulfield on his sponsors. Dinoco was a prestige sponsor, not a money bill. He was embarrassed to be sponsored by a hemorrhoid cream--again, dickish all the way around.

He went back to Radiator Springs and brought them some business, sure, but why? So his race team could have cheap real estate and cheap labor and he could get some over the hill Porsche poon. About the only two times McQueen acted like a decent person where when he got Mater a ride in the copter and when Doc taught him how to drift on dirt. And even that! There is nothing douchebaggier than needing to be beaten into submission before you finally show some respect.

the ENTIRE lesson of that movie was: believe in yourself and other people will suck your dick. Cars 2 was much, much better, since he actually had to work for a living for once and they let Mater and the spy cars take lead in the story.



You miiiight be borderline retarded.

So, choosing to help The King doesn't strike you as "acting like a decent person".

You fail at seeing the lesson of the movie, and I hope you never have kids, because.... wow.
 
2012-12-05 02:48:51 PM  

willfullyobscure: Hebalo: willfullyobscure: Plus Lightning McQueen is a douchebag. Seriously, think about it. He's a complete selfish tool and people around him not only put up with his shiat, they reward him for it and the ultimate lesson of the movie is that retards and hicks will do anything for you if you just act like enough of a dick to them.

OR.... The people around him make him atone for his dickishness (buy building a road), and his time spent with them makes him reconsider his behaviour, resulting in friendships with them, his turning down the big money for loyalty, and his moving to live with them, while the town prospers.

Seriously, did you watch a different movie? Or did you maybe think Lightning McQueen was the Green car?

He built the road to pay for tearing it up- straight equivalence. He did seem to enjoy the townspeople once he got bored with making fun of them, but he dropped them like a hot rock to go back to racing, where he was in a slump thanks to being a tool and suffering from boredom. No change there, he was still in a slump when he went back. The whole town experience could have been a bad dream as far as he was concerned. until the townspeople showed up on their own dime to support his race, with free tires, free special fuel and free pit work. He got exited and fired up to win because he realized he had a bunch of sycophants that turned their lives upside for him, not becuase they needed him or anything.

There's nothing to suggest Rust Eze wasn't paying him plenty of money, he was a star rookie with a fully equipped race team and clearly able to outperform the competition until he decided to go all Holden Caulfield on his sponsors. Dinoco was a prestige sponsor, not a money bill. He was embarrassed to be sponsored by a hemorrhoid cream--again, dickish all the way around.

He went back to Radiator Springs and brought them some business, sure, but why? So his race team could have cheap real estate and cheap labor and he could get some over the hill Porsc ...


If you want to troll these guys, follow my example.
 
2012-12-05 02:55:18 PM  

verbaltoxin: Invalidation followed by passive aggression. Tell me, does Merida strike something within you that disturbs you, and that's why you get defensive? Is it an urge that dare not speak its name?


Actually, I haven't seen the movie, and it really doesn't interest me enough to watch it unless it is on (really seems a little boring to me). I did take my 3 year old to see Wreck-It Ralph though, more for my enjoyment then his but I wanted to share that enjoyment with him. I will also sit down and watch Adventure Time or Regular Show (I am a fan of the absurd)

I just don't like it when people dismiss things that others enjoy as "childish". Sure, when it borders on obsessive that might get a little...strange...but I feel the same way when somebody gets way to into their favorite sports team as when somebody gets way too far into My Little Pony. Granted, I won't say "hey you can't enjoy that" because, as long as they aren't hurting anybody, then why should it matter?

Just, when you limit yourself to only enjoying adult things because "I am an adult and that is what I am supposed to do" then you are severely limiting your life experience. And when you look down your nose on those who are enjoying themselves because its "childish" well that seems like a pretty closed outlook on life.
 
2012-12-05 02:56:05 PM  

Hebalo: You miiiight be borderline retarded.


You need to lighten up. That was hilarious and CLEARLY satire.
 
2012-12-05 02:56:15 PM  
After driving 2 hours to pick my husband up from the base upon his return from deployment, I found out that the aircraft would be delayed four hours. Not wanting to sit in a parking lot waiting, I went to the theater to see "Up". At the point where Mr. Frederikson sits down in defeat, open's Ellie's book and realizes that she'd filled it up, my phone rang. It was my husband saying "where are you?!?!?" I had to leave the theater then and there and it was a good two weeks before I saw the entire movie, with my husband, of course. I loved the talking dogs too - at the time I had a goofy Golden Retriever (RIP, buddy) who looked and acted just like Dug.

As an aside, I don't understand why anyone would waste time in a thread about a topic in which they have zero interest. I'm not a sports fan, but I don't feel the need to go into sports threads to proudly proclaim my disinterest or to insult those who are into them.
 
2012-12-05 03:00:15 PM  
Cars 2 is the only Pixar movie my 10 year old has never wanted to watch more than once. Enough said.
 
2012-12-05 03:01:56 PM  

willfullyobscure: He built the road to pay for tearing it up- straight equivalence. He did seem to enjoy the townspeople once he got bored with making fun of them, but he dropped them like a hot rock to go back to racing, where he was in a slump thanks to being a tool and suffering from boredom. No change there, he was still in a slump when he went back. The whole town experience could have been a bad dream as far as he was concerned. until the townspeople showed up on their own dime to support his race, with free tires, free special fuel and free pit work. He got exited and fired up to win because he realized he had a bunch of sycophants that turned their lives upside for him, not becuase they needed him or anything.


You didn't pay attention to the movie. Doc Hudson called the press corps and he was forced to leave the town. Once the town realized what Doc had done, he felt guilty and went to the race with the other townsfolk (townscars?) to help McQueen.

There's nothing to suggest Rust Eze wasn't paying him plenty of money, he was a star rookie with a fully equipped race team and clearly able to outperform the competition until he decided to go all Holden Caulfield on his sponsors. Dinoco was a prestige sponsor, not a money bill. He was embarrassed to be sponsored by a hemorrhoid cream--again, dickish all the way around.


And in the end he turned down Dinoco's offer, but still had them give 'Mater a ride in a helicopter. That's the OPPOSITE of dickish.

/dickish is misrepresenting what happened in a movie just because you didn't personally care for it
 
2012-12-05 03:01:57 PM  

Burr: And when you look down your nose on those who are enjoying themselves because its "childish" well that seems like a pretty closed outlook on life.


There's nothing wrong with enjoying "childish" movies. The problem comes in when people want to ascribe grown-up expectations to movies made for children. Someone upthread lamented the fact that the writers of Tangled put in an upbeat dance number to appeal to the kids, and how that broke the "Renaissance" feel of the movie.

A kids' movie appeal to kids?? How dare they!!!

Like a 10 year old konws what the Renaissance is, much less gives a shiat about it.
 
2012-12-05 03:02:44 PM  
Well, judging from the feedback, I'm guessing that if everyone rated all the Pixar movies, best to worst, you'd end up with at least 30 different lists. Even obvious things like the number one choice would be vastly different for different groups of people, but most people will throw Cars 2 in last place, unless they freakin' love NASCAR. So, here's my list.

1. The Incredibles
2. WALL-E
3. Toy Story 3
4. Toy Story 2
5. Finding Nemo
6. Monsters Inc
7. A Bug's Life
8. Tory Story
9. Up
10. Ratatouille
11. Cars
12. Brave
13. Cars 2
 
2012-12-05 03:04:46 PM  
i1125.photobucket.com 

/The most wanted sequel never made.
 
2012-12-05 03:07:44 PM  

freetomato: As an aside, I don't understand why anyone would waste time in a thread about a topic in which they have zero interest. I'm not a sports fan, but I don't feel the need to go into sports threads to proudly proclaim my disinterest or to insult those who are into them.


They're called trolls.
 
2012-12-05 03:09:19 PM  

Bluemookie: 8. Tory Story


This has potential.
 
2012-12-05 03:18:50 PM  

Slow To Return: theurge14: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.

You know what else is stupid? Talking mice.

I'm looking at you Mickey.

You too, Minnie.


Cute.

It's usually established early on in a movie what kind of universe it takes place in. Nowhere in the first 3/4 of the movie UP did it indicate that this was going to be in a universe where dogs talk and fly airplanes. It was jarringly out of place.
 
2012-12-05 03:20:38 PM  

Watched "Brave" the other day. It looked strangely familiar...



ecx.images-amazon.com

 
2012-12-05 03:20:48 PM  

theurge14: It's usually established early on in a movie what kind of universe it takes place in. Nowhere in the first 3/4 of the movie UP did it indicate that this was going to be in a universe where dogs talk and fly airplanes. It was jarringly out of place.


The ghost was jarringly out of place in Sixth Sense, too.
 
2012-12-05 03:25:05 PM  

verbaltoxin: I thought Brave was "meh," but I later realized these are kids' movies. I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult. So I haven't bothered to see a Wreck-It Ralph or whatever since. When I have kids I'll be subjected to that stuff all over, but for now, give me something with cussing, tits and blood in it.


Listen, I really like the movie Commando, but I also think it's less mature than Pixar movies in many ways. Stuff made for kids isn't supposed to suck, unfortunately a lot of it does because lazy hack writers who couldn't make it in the adult world wind up doing it. But there's also talented people out there making stuff designed to appeal to any age.
 
2012-12-05 03:25:05 PM  

theurge14: Slow To Return: theurge14: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.

You know what else is stupid? Talking mice.

I'm looking at you Mickey.

You too, Minnie.

Cute.

It's usually established early on in a movie what kind of universe it takes place in. Nowhere in the first 3/4 of the movie UP did it indicate that this was going to be in a universe where dogs talk and fly airplanes. It was jarringly out of place.


It's established in the intro when the young Carl Fredricksen is watching a news reel in a movie theater that shows the explorer and inventor Charles Muntz's various inventions that aid his dogs, such as an 'automatic dog washer,' and an dog exercise machine, if I remember correctly.

Those may be a stretch from dog-friendly fighter planes, but it does seem to imply a sort of 'mad scientist' vibe about Charles Muntz, which I think explains talking dogs well. Maybe not dogs that can fly planes, that was a little weird.
 
2012-12-05 03:28:13 PM  
I really enjoyed Brave when I saw it with some friends over the summer, and it's on my Christmas list. Is it my favorite Pixar movie? Nah, I think WALL-E will hold that spot for awhile. But it was still a great all around film. Pixar isn't going to hit it out of the park every time, but I do trust that they'll consistently make something that is quality and enjoyable for wide ranging groups of people. Even my niece loves watching WALL-E.

I really do want to see Wreck-It Ralph. Maybe over the holidays I'll get a chance to go.
 
2012-12-05 03:29:23 PM  

Cythraul: theurge14: Slow To Return: theurge14: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.

You know what else is stupid? Talking mice.

I'm looking at you Mickey.

You too, Minnie.

Cute.

It's usually established early on in a movie what kind of universe it takes place in. Nowhere in the first 3/4 of the movie UP did it indicate that this was going to be in a universe where dogs talk and fly airplanes. It was jarringly out of place.

It's established in the intro when the young Carl Fredricksen is watching a news reel in a movie theater that shows the explorer and inventor Charles Muntz's various inventions that aid his dogs, such as an 'automatic dog washer,' and an dog exercise machine, if I remember correctly.

Those may be a stretch from dog-friendly fighter planes, but it does seem to imply a sort of 'mad scientist' vibe about Charles Muntz, which I think explains talking dogs well. Maybe not dogs that can fly planes, that was a little weird.


I'm pretty sure that once you see an entire house being floated away by a couple thousand helium balloons, it's clear you're watching a movie where you might be called on to suspend your disbeliefs a time or two.
 
2012-12-05 03:32:28 PM  

Slow To Return: Cythraul: theurge14: Slow To Return: theurge14: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.

You know what else is stupid? Talking mice.

I'm looking at you Mickey.

You too, Minnie.

Cute.

It's usually established early on in a movie what kind of universe it takes place in. Nowhere in the first 3/4 of the movie UP did it indicate that this was going to be in a universe where dogs talk and fly airplanes. It was jarringly out of place.

It's established in the intro when the young Carl Fredricksen is watching a news reel in a movie theater that shows the explorer and inventor Charles Muntz's various inventions that aid his dogs, such as an 'automatic dog washer,' and an dog exercise machine, if I remember correctly.

Those may be a stretch from dog-friendly fighter planes, but it does seem to imply a sort of 'mad scientist' vibe about Charles Muntz, which I think explains talking dogs well. Maybe not dogs that can fly planes, that was a little weird.

I'm pretty sure that once you see an entire house being floated away by a couple thousand helium balloons, it's clear you're watching a movie where you might be called on to suspend your disbeliefs a time or two.


No way, man. That's totally believable. My sister's former college room mate dated a guy has a brother who is also has a friend who told him and then later told him and then her that the totally know someone who did the same thing to their house.
 
2012-12-05 03:33:11 PM  

ChrisDe: The scripts. When they're good, they're very, very good.


I agree. I think that Pixar has always understood that they are, first and foremost, telling a story. The stunning technological achievements (of which there have been plenty) are never an end in itself.
 
2012-12-05 03:39:36 PM  

verbaltoxin: Tell me, does Merida strike something within you that disturbs you, and that's why you get defensive? Is it an urge that dare not speak its name?


Merida gives me the urge to part her like the red sea.

Hey, I have no shame in saying it, I think Merida is hot. I did not hesitate whipping it out and start spaking it to her. Until the cops showed up. Stupid asshole theater manager. Because of him, now I have to move by court order because I currently live within 50 yards of a school.

Boycott Cinemark!!!
 
2012-12-05 03:39:51 PM  

Cythraul: No way, man. That's totally believable. My sister's former college room mate dated a guy has a brother who is also has a friend who told him and then later told him and then her that the totally know someone who did the same thing to their house.


I have a similar friend. Except the friend has talking dogs.

By the way, anyone who thinks the opening sequence with Carl and Ellie is the saddest part of that movie didn't watch all the through to the part where Carl finally opens the photo album.
 
2012-12-05 03:41:48 PM  
Cythraul [TotalFark]
2012-12-05 10:44:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

You mean other than it being dull, boring inane and had ed assner droning on and on for 2 hrs?
 
2012-12-05 03:43:11 PM  

peterthx: willfullyobscure:

You didn't pay attention to the movie. Doc Hudson called the press corps and he was forced to leave the town. Once the town realized what Doc had done, he felt guilty and went to the race with the other townsfolk (townscars?) to help McQueen.


BS. McQueen could have broken his contract and stayed. He's just be piss pot poor like the rest of the hicks and wastoids. He went back because he's used to his star lifestyle and never seriously thought about giving it up.

Oh and Doc Hudson, there's ANOTHER giant douchebag!! Has a great year, gets hurt, starts a comeback and then gets whiny beucase people aren't tonguing his choad like they did before the accident? How about you stick around and work your way back up, chump? Istead he moves to West Bumfark where he can be a shiftless, dirty old man and still have people treat him like King shiat! Then he gets sandy vag when people like the young hot car better than him, dimes him out, THEN, uses his fellow tards and hicks to stage his own comeback as a successful race manager.


This movie should have been called "Two Douchebags That are Cars"
 
2012-12-05 03:47:54 PM  

Hebalo: willfullyobscure:

the ENTIRE lesson of that movie was: believe in yourself and other people will suck your dick. Cars 2 was much, much better, since he actually had to work for a living for once and they let Mater and the spy cars take lead in the story

You miiiight be borderline retarded.

So, choosing to help The King doesn't strike you as "acting like a decent person".

You fail at seeing the lesson of the movie, and I hope you never ...


tell you what, next time we're running a roadrace and you fall down, break your legs, have a head injury and what all else, let me pick your ass up and force you to keep running the race instead of waiting for medical professionals or administering first aid. No, I'll pick you up, hurt you some more, and then take all the credit for being a "hero".
 
2012-12-05 03:47:55 PM  

Slow To Return: Cythraul: theurge14: Slow To Return: theurge14: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.

You know what else is stupid? Talking mice.

I'm looking at you Mickey.

You too, Minnie.

Cute.

It's usually established early on in a movie what kind of universe it takes place in. Nowhere in the first 3/4 of the movie UP did it indicate that this was going to be in a universe where dogs talk and fly airplanes. It was jarringly out of place.

It's established in the intro when the young Carl Fredricksen is watching a news reel in a movie theater that shows the explorer and inventor Charles Muntz's various inventions that aid his dogs, such as an 'automatic dog washer,' and an dog exercise machine, if I remember correctly.

Those may be a stretch from dog-friendly fighter planes, but it does seem to imply a sort of 'mad scientist' vibe about Charles Muntz, which I think explains talking dogs well. Maybe not dogs that can fly planes, that was a little weird.

I'm pretty sure that once you see an entire house being floated away by a couple thousand helium balloons, it's clear you're watching a movie where you might be called on to suspend your disbeliefs a time or two.


Yeah, it's just a movie. Throw any stupid shiat you want in there, whimsical balloons means all bets are off. We'll get over it.
 
2012-12-05 03:49:00 PM  

UDel_Kitty: I really enjoyed Brave when I saw it with some friends over the summer, and it's on my Christmas list. Is it my favorite Pixar movie? Nah, I think WALL-E will hold that spot for awhile. But it was still a great all around film. Pixar isn't going to hit it out of the park every time, but I do trust that they'll consistently make something that is quality and enjoyable for wide ranging groups of people. Even my niece loves watching WALL-E.


I enjoyed Brave, and so did my daughters. Monsters Inc is still my favorite, and I'll be taking my kids to see it in 3D when it comes out. I'm a little suspicious of the "Monster University" idea because it sounds a lot like one of those lame direct-to-video sequels that Disney has churned out by the truckload since the days of Aladdin and The Little Mermaid.

I really do want to see Wreck-It Ralph. Maybe over the holidays I'll get a chance to go.

Wreck-It Ralph was really good.
 
2012-12-05 03:49:28 PM  

Cagey B: Bluemookie: 8. Tory Story

This has potential.


Too bad "Spitting Image" isn't still around with their satirical puppets. I'd like to see this made....
 
2012-12-05 03:51:19 PM  

browntimmy: Listen, I really like the movie Commando, but I also think it's less mature than Pixar movies in many ways


Commando would be a Pixar movie I would watch.
 
2012-12-05 03:52:38 PM  

UDel_Kitty: I really enjoyed Brave when I saw it with some friends over the summer, and it's on my Christmas list. Is it my favorite Pixar movie? Nah, I think WALL-E will hold that spot for awhile.


When you can have extended sequences featuring NO dialogue that still tell a beautiful story (WALL-E and EEEEEEEeeeeeeeva dancing around in space), or can compress entire lines of dialogue to a single "vocalization" (every time WALL-E talks) without losing any meaning, you know you have a good cinematic team.

That's why Pixar rules. So long as they can tell a better love story using only pictures and the score than Spielberg can in 3 hours with $400 million, Pixar will barely be able to spend the moneypiles we throw at them fast enough.
 
2012-12-05 04:04:21 PM  

Cythraul: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

That's a shame. Before Cars 2, I don't think there was a single Pixar film that I didn't at least 'like a lot,' if not 'love.'

Who do we blame for this? I blame Disney. They're convenient.


One of the movie intros describes a story meeting for the studio in 1995, when the studio was doing Toy Story, where movie ideas were discussed. They came up with the basics of Bug's Life, Nemo, Monsters Inc, Rattatoullie, WALL-E, etc literally years in advance.

The last movie mentioned in the intro, stated as "the last of the movies from that meeting" was, iirc, UP.

So... basically they've run through all the shiat they thought was cool when founding the studio, and from now on are having to write and create movies in the normal development time without, perhaps, the same personal attachment to them among the staff.

I mean, you can go look at the chart of writers/directors/etc for Pixar movies at wikipedia if you want, it sort of corresponds to what's been good and what's been meh as well. But I like my explanation better because narrative.
 
2012-12-05 04:08:47 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.



Disney sent out "For Your Consideration" screener DVDs to Academy members that year which featured just the opening sequence of Up ... up to the point that Carl is sitting alone with the balloons.

The picture fades to black ... and then credits roll.
 
2012-12-05 04:08:50 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: [i1125.photobucket.com image 850x164] 

/The most wanted sequel never made.


That's a funny way to spell "Buckaroo Bonzai Against the World Crime League."
 
2012-12-05 04:09:38 PM  
And...that's an even funnier way to spell Banzai.
 
2012-12-05 04:19:28 PM  
Saw Wreck-It Ralph for my girlfriend's birthday - she loves Disney and i love Gaming so it was a great movie for both of us to discover great common ground with each other. Since then she has suggested i dress as Ralph for Halloween if only for being able to dress as Vanellope herself. I Recently saw Brave - liked the hell out of it, especially the Dad. Wished i had seen it in theaters with her i bet it would have been fun.

But the best part of going to see a Pixar film in theaters...the shorts before the movie itself.

davelandweb.com



www.awn.com

www.filmequals.com

They always leave me with a smile.
 
2012-12-05 04:19:58 PM  

UDel_Kitty: I really enjoyed Brave when I saw it with some friends over the summer, and it's on my Christmas list. Is it my favorite Pixar movie? Nah, I think WALL-E will hold that spot for awhile. But it was still a great all around film. Pixar isn't going to hit it out of the park every time, but I do trust that they'll consistently make something that is quality and enjoyable for wide ranging groups of people. Even my niece loves watching WALL-E.

I really do want to see Wreck-It Ralph. Maybe over the holidays I'll get a chance to go.


I have yet to see a Pixar movie that didn't at least entertain me, and usually I find them rather touching and heartfelt. I've bought several on DVD or Blu-Ray, and a Pixar movie is the only thing that I'll say "sure, count me in" to see it in the theater without even hearing much about what the movie actually IS. They've been good for it so far.

I can see why others would disagree; some of their movies aren't as strong as others, but I'd rather see those than most of the other Hollywood dreck that's out there. I just don't understand why some people are practically creaming their shorts at the thought of Pixar finally making a bad movie.

Go see Wreck-It Ralph. You'll love it.
 
2012-12-05 04:36:18 PM  

verbaltoxin: Burr: verbaltoxin: And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.

More power to you. I have decided that means drinking whiskey, gardening, grilling, watching football, fixing cars, creating computer programs, playing video games, watching cartoons, and whatever else I want do...because I could care less if somebody thinks its "childish" or not. If you want to hang on to some abstract notion of "adult entertainment" then it is your loss. I on the other hand will enjoy life to it's fullest.

Also...

verbaltoxin: watching pro wrestling

...speaking of "digital bedtime stories"



Invalidation followed by passive aggression. Tell me, does Merida strike something within you that disturbs you, and that's why you get defensive? Is it an urge that dare not speak its name?

Because frankly I don't mind watching two, rippling-muscled men tustle together ion a canvas, sweat oozing, their tight spandex slipping every so slightly, and their bodies locked in a tight, physical dance of theatrical sensuality.

/Just cutting you off at the pass.


The voice of the voice of the voiceless.

10/10

/love Pixar films, own them all but Cars 2
//it's an abomination
///room for wrasslin' and kids flicks
////I really need to see Wreck it Ralph
//slashies are childish
 
2012-12-05 04:50:11 PM  

Expolaris: Saw Wreck-It Ralph for my girlfriend's birthday - she loves Disney and i love Gaming so it was a great movie for both of us to discover great common ground with each other. Since then she has suggested i dress as Ralph for Halloween if only for being able to dress as Vanellope herself. I Recently saw Brave - liked the hell out of it, especially the Dad. Wished i had seen it in theaters with her i bet it would have been fun.

But the best part of going to see a Pixar film in theaters...the shorts before the movie itself.

[davelandweb.com image 850x510]



[www.awn.com image 620x260]

[www.filmequals.com image 550x291]

They always leave me with a smile.

Paperman

is not Pixar (played before Wreck-It Ralph)
 
2012-12-05 04:52:24 PM  

peterthx: Expolaris: Saw Wreck-It Ralph for my girlfriend's birthday - she loves Disney and i love Gaming so it was a great movie for both of us to discover great common ground with each other. Since then she has suggested i dress as Ralph for Halloween if only for being able to dress as Vanellope herself. I Recently saw Brave - liked the hell out of it, especially the Dad. Wished i had seen it in theaters with her i bet it would have been fun.

But the best part of going to see a Pixar film in theaters...the shorts before the movie itself.

[davelandweb.com image 850x510]



[www.awn.com image 620x260]

[www.filmequals.com image 550x291]

They always leave me with a smile.

Paperman is not Pixar (played before Wreck-It Ralph)


Really? Do you know which studio put it together i really liked it and thought it stood on it's own. I still lump them in together with the other heart warming shorts.

Almost forgot one of my favorites!

0.tqn.com
 
2012-12-05 05:13:46 PM  

Goonie_Goo_Goo: Watched "Brave" the other day. It looked strangely familiar...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


I was telling the kids the other day "you know Pixar has never made a bad movie". Well that's still true but before the Disney corruption you could honestly say "every movie Pixar has ever made has been super awesome!"

Brave wasn't really even good. Not bad but not good. Oh and a complete ripoff.
 
2012-12-05 05:19:58 PM  

Miss Stein: Shostie: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.

This may be one of those situations where, if you have a penis, you won't "get it," or something.

I wasn't pleased with it either. It would have been better if the triplets had been taken away or put in grave danger, and Merida was the one who braved incredible odds and harrowing ordeals to bring them safe to the kingdom, instead of that touchy-feely mother/daughter crap they foisted on us.


I was hoping the coin/token thing the witch took was going to be used for some magic purpose to enable the witch to take over the entire kingdom and Merida would have to defeat her using cunning in addition to her bow skills. Possibly with some better story links to the old kingdom and freeing the cursed bear. But no.

Normally I rank Pixar movies on a scale of "Very Good" to "Excellent". IMO Brave was half a step up from "I want my money back". YMMV.
 
2012-12-05 05:21:39 PM  
I know Genndy Tartakovsky and I know the other directors

Wait, what awards is he up for?

*checks wiki*

"Hotel Transylvania"? Really??
 
2012-12-05 05:25:06 PM  
"at the end of the day, I just make movies."
"at the end of the day, they'll end up loving it."
"At the end of the day, I've done my job as a storyteller."
"At the end of the day she's just a character.

geekandpoke.typepad.com
 
2012-12-05 05:25:58 PM  

Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger

Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.

So you're proudly repeating nonsense?

Umm, no. I've heard of instances where American southern actors were asked to 'redneckify' their accents for a film because they didn't sound 'southern enough.'

So, in this instance, it could be possible.


If I was an actor that would be me. With the exception of maybe two weeks I have spent my entire 30 years in the southeast; my WoW guildies told me on vent I have no accent.

/looking to leave the southeast next year
 
2012-12-05 05:30:09 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abG2p9MwVRo

(lifted)

never fails to make me laugh like a loon when i need to do that very thing.
 
2012-12-05 05:32:35 PM  

theurge14: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: ManateeGag: UP told a more compelling story in that opening sequence between Carl and Ellie than the entirety of the Twilight Series.

Too bad there was an entire movie after that opening sequence. That kind of ruined the whole thing.

You didn't like the rest of UP? Why? I thought it was good.

Talking dogs flying fighter planes. Seriously, what the shiat? I thought I was watching a Dreamworks movie.


Wait, THAT'S how it ends? Never finished it, don't feel bad about it anymore.

And everyone says the opening was devastating, but those two had decades of love and happiness, we should all be so lucky.
 
2012-12-05 05:33:35 PM  

Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: moothemagiccow: Cythraul: r1niceboy: I liked Brave, mind you I am Scottish, so got all the inside jokes.

I kept reading how a lot of Scots couldn't watch the film because the accents made them cringe.

The king was billy connolly, a scot, and merida was a scot, kelly mcdonald. Most of the main cast were Scottish. The remainders were British apart from John Ratzenberger

Yeah, but I heard somewhere that they were asked to alter their accents to fit more of what Americans think the Scottish accent should be. These are just forum rumors I'm repeating, by the way.

So you're proudly repeating nonsense?

Umm, no. I've heard of instances where American southern actors were asked to 'redneckify' their accents for a film because they didn't sound 'southern enough.'

So, in this instance, it could be possible.


Could be, but you have absolutely nothing to back it up, and you're willfully repeating it.
 
2012-12-05 05:42:48 PM  
Because the competition is minimum effort garbage designed to create a large return for the producers by aiming at an easily manipulated demographic?
 
2012-12-05 05:42:53 PM  

Expolaris: peterthx: Expolaris: Saw Wreck-It Ralph for my girlfriend's birthday - she loves Disney and i love Gaming so it was a great movie for both of us to discover great common ground with each other. Since then she has suggested i dress as Ralph for Halloween if only for being able to dress as Vanellope herself. I Recently saw Brave - liked the hell out of it, especially the Dad. Wished i had seen it in theaters with her i bet it would have been fun.

But the best part of going to see a Pixar film in theaters...the shorts before the movie itself.

[davelandweb.com image 850x510]



[www.awn.com image 620x260]

[www.filmequals.com image 550x291]

They always leave me with a smile.

Paperman is not Pixar (played before Wreck-It Ralph)

Really? Do you know which studio put it together i really liked it and thought it stood on it's own. I still lump them in together with the other heart warming shorts.

Almost forgot one of my favorites!

[0.tqn.com image 555x313]


It was produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios, same as Wreck-It Ralph.
 
2012-12-05 05:47:26 PM  

Hebalo: moothemagiccow: Toy Story 3 had the same plot as Toy Story 2.

Wow, I missed the Toy Store, evil toy owner, and airplane sequences in Toy Story 3. Not to mention the inner workings of the daycare in Toy Story 2.

Do you actually pay attention to the films, or just spout nonsense after having them on in the background?

WAIT! I'm overreacting, there were characters that were in both films. That, they had in common.


toys that belong to kid too old for toys get lost
 
2012-12-05 05:49:17 PM  

brandent: Goonie_Goo_Goo: Watched "Brave" the other day. It looked strangely familiar...

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

I was telling the kids the other day "you know Pixar has never made a bad movie". Well that's still true but before the Disney corruption you could honestly say "every movie Pixar has ever made has been super awesome!"

Brave wasn't really even good. Not bad but not good. Oh and a complete ripoff.


Ripoff of what pray tell?

Just because it had a character turned into a bear? That makes it Brother Bear? You must think ALIEN and Star Trek are exactly the same because they have spaceships and androids.
 
2012-12-05 07:02:06 PM  
Pixar movies are "goddamned good" in the same sense that fast food, Christmas songs, and blue jeans are.

Lowest common denominator, convenient, ubiquitous, and not terrible...but also far from "goddamn good."

I'm surprised there aren't more snobs dissing them.
 
2012-12-05 07:08:31 PM  

Ed Grubermann: factoryconnection: Tangled (not Pixar)

I couldn't finish Tangled. First musical number and I ejected the DVD and sent it back to Netflix. Why does Disney keep doing that?


Probably because Disney makes musicals. And a musical without music is sort of pointless.
 
2012-12-05 08:00:18 PM  

bifford: I just checked it: Wreck-It Ralph was a Disney film, not a Pixar one. This surprised me, as in terms of animation and writing quality, it easily looked like Pixar material.


When Disney bought Pixar the top guy at Pixar, John Lasseter, was given control of Disney Animation as well. He was the executive producer of all the Pixar flicks and also Wreck-It Ralph.
 
2012-12-05 09:12:00 PM  

moothemagiccow: Hebalo: moothemagiccow: Toy Story 3 had the same plot as Toy Story 2.

Wow, I missed the Toy Store, evil toy owner, and airplane sequences in Toy Story 3. Not to mention the inner workings of the daycare in Toy Story 2.

Do you actually pay attention to the films, or just spout nonsense after having them on in the background?

WAIT! I'm overreacting, there were characters that were in both films. That, they had in common.

toys that belong to kid too old for toys get lost


You and I have very different definitions of plot. In your world, every action movie is "Good guy gets get, shoots lots of bad guys".
 
2012-12-05 09:32:07 PM  
John Lasseter. That is the secret. Since he started running all Disney animation things have gotten good. Tangled, Wreck it Ralph, and Paper Man are good examples. The greatest thing Steve Jobs was fund John Lasseter.
 
2012-12-05 10:55:52 PM  

wildcardjack: For the longest time Pixar's secret was in NOT doing things.

Then they started making sequels and it all went to shiat.


Their third movie was a sequel, but that's a fine theory.

/Unless you think "A Bug's Life" was their zenith.
 
2012-12-05 11:08:09 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Also I see that the Pixar backlash has begun. God you all sound like a bunch of hipsters. "I haven't really been into Pixar since The Incredibles, no I'm watching animation by a small studio in Uzbekistan. You've probably never heard of it"



Because it's sooo hipster to have an opinion.
Get over yourself.
 
2012-12-05 11:14:18 PM  

verbaltoxin: When I have kids I'll be subjected to that stuff all over, but for now, give me something with cussing, tits and blood in it.


..

you want a basement?
 
2012-12-06 12:00:15 AM  

cicdle: John Lasseter. That is the secret. Since he started running all Disney animation things have gotten good. Tangled, Wreck it Ralph, and Paper Man are good examples. The greatest thing Steve Jobs was fund John Lasseter.


The greatest thing George Lucas did was get divorced to create the financial need to sell his computer graphics division of ILM which Steve Jobs then bought from him to create Pixar. Essentially the wreckage of Lucas' marriage gave us the studio we all love today. And three shiatty Star Wars prequels. There's your ironic schadenfreude.

IMHO the late Joe Ranft, as much as if not more than John Lasseter, was responsible for much of Pixar's early success. Ranft's storywriting abilities shaped much of the franchise. My theory is Pixar started going south after Cars, which was in production when Ranft died in a car accident. Ratatouille, Wall-E and Up, while they had moments of absolute, visceral majesty, were hampered by previously-mentioned weak plot elements and endings.

As for Toy Story 3 being too intense for kids? I agree the gulag aspects of the preschool were a bit heavy, but all I remember is myself and several hundred teens and grown adults crying their eyes out at the ending, while their kids either sat dumbfounded at all the emotion or cried because mom and dad were tearing up. Toy Story 3 was to me the end of that story, and I really, REALLY don't want a #4. That will be that story's Cars 2, which was an abomination to cinema. 

/I also agree that Wreck It Ralph is in my top 5 animated films of all time
//#1 still being Snow White...you can't ever outdo the very first one
///Walt Disney did the whole thing with a paintbrush, and it was excellent
 
2012-12-06 12:04:05 AM  
www.pixarportal.com
 
2012-12-06 12:56:50 AM  
Up made me cry because my young wife had just died, leaving me with two young children.

Brave made me cry for the hope I have of my young daughter growing into a strong woman.

They tell stories that touch people, and they tell them well.

(Cars and sequel didn't touch me at all, though. Just fluff for me.)
 
2012-12-06 04:45:08 AM  

th0th: Essentially the wreckage of Lucas' marriage gave us the studio we all love today. And three shiatty Star Wars prequels. There's your ironic schadenfreude.


Lucas's divorce gave us Empire and Jedi, neither of which were written or directed by him.
 
2012-12-06 09:31:43 AM  
I like Cars 2 better than Cars, it had better animation and a more interesting plot. I think people dislike it because it has too much Mater. I get this.

Brave is a GREAT story for women and little girls. As a father of a little girl, I support her watching this film for its strong female role, something seriously lacking in kids programming. This movie just doesn't have the laughs I have come to expect from Pixar which makes it hard for me to watch over and over.

I agree the scene in the beginning of Up is a tear-jerker, even made my 60+ year-old retired Air Force Colonel father weep. But the scene that really, really gets me is towards the climax where he finally turns the page of Ellie's book and finds out that the great adventure she lived was living with him. Plus, I think the dogs are hysterical, their lines are the ones I quote to annoy my wife.
 
2012-12-06 09:51:47 AM  

mbrother: Pixar movies are "goddamned good" in the same sense that fast food, Christmas songs, and blue jeans are.

Lowest common denominator, convenient, ubiquitous, and not terrible...but also far from "goddamn good."


Maybe in some ways, but as someone with a little experience in computer animation, there's a ton of skill and man hours that go into making those images. It's not something you can just slap together or do without any care.
 
2012-12-06 10:13:56 AM  
Well, since no one els... SQUIRREL!
 
2012-12-06 10:18:19 AM  

soporific: I thought Brave was all right, but my wife absolutely loved it. I have to give them credit, it's the kind of film that I've never seen before, focusing so much on the Mother/Daughter bond. It was a bold move, and white it didn't resonate with me, props to them for taking a chance. And not just remaking Mulan.

Of course, the animated film that got me this year was Wreck It Ralph. Saw that movie twice and both times it got me in a way that Pixar really hasn't the past few years. When a movie makes me laugh out loud and tear up in the same minute, it's a great film. (Even the short at the beginning, with the paper airplanes, was utterly fantastic and right up there with any Pixar short.) I really want to see Wreck It Ralph win best animated film next year at the Oscars.

I am a bit nervous about the Monsters Inc. Prequel. It's going to be cute and funny, but can they really top the emotional climax of the first one? Will they be able to match the absolute emotional awesome that is the final moment when Sully peeks his head in the door? It still gets me every time.


I liked Brave too. I don't think it's necessary to rip my heart out every pixar movie. This one was decently acted, the story was good, the animation fantastic, and the plot didn't wander from the main theme much at all. Was it their best effort? I doubt they can easily outdo Monsters Inc. our Toy Story 3. It was stil better than most of the live action stuff out there though. Except for "Butter", that movie kicked ass.
 
2012-12-06 10:28:14 AM  

moothemagiccow: th0th: Essentially the wreckage of Lucas' marriage gave us the studio we all love today. And three shiatty Star Wars prequels. There's your ironic schadenfreude.

Lucas's divorce gave us Empire and Jedi, neither of which were written or directed by him.


He wrote both. Kasdan wrote the screenplay based on his scripts.

He supervised the direction of Empire (everything had to be approved by him) and "ghost" directed Jedi.

/hate the fanboy obsession to rewrite history to deny Lucas proper credit for anything
 
2012-12-06 10:38:44 AM  

snowshovel: Miss Stein: Shostie: DamnYankees: Cythraul: Brave has been released?! I was wondering what was taking them so long. Was it any good? I was hoping after what I heard about Cars 2, Brave would be awesome.

Its not. Brave is the very apex of "eh, its ok".

My wife really liked it. I haven't gotten around to seeing it.

This may be one of those situations where, if you have a penis, you won't "get it," or something.

I wasn't pleased with it either. It would have been better if the triplets had been taken away or put in grave danger, and Merida was the one who braved incredible odds and harrowing ordeals to bring them safe to the kingdom, instead of that touchy-feely mother/daughter crap they foisted on us.

I wouldn't have minded Brave so much if the moral of the story was "Both mom and daughter need to compromise a little."

Instead, we get an ending where mom let's the daughter be a tom-boy....without any scenes of the daughter also giving in a ruling like the princess her mom wants her to be.

In essence, the moral of the story is "put your parents through hell, and they'll give you what you want eventually."


The last scene shows the girl working on a tapestry with the mom. Seems that hints at.hrr.taking up that stuff more. There's also the part where they need to sneak the bear mom into the room but the lords are all fighting. Merida was about to choose a husband until the mom stops her with hand signals. So she was about to own her responsibility until she was stopped. I assume Mom does this because she realizes how self reliant Merida is and realizes early marriage would break that.

The movie wasn't about compromise, it was about understanding the people you love and where they're coming from in order to honor them.
 
2012-12-06 10:43:21 AM  

verbaltoxin: Burr: verbaltoxin: I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 700x231]

/just because I have adult responsibilities now doesn't mean I need to stop enjoying childish things

And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.

If you want to pay $10/head to watch digital bedtime stories, more power to you.


Jesus, get over yourself.

stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg
 
2012-12-06 02:29:29 PM  
Early on, someone interviewed Lassiter who said, "You're not going to spend 40 million on a lousy script." Simple as that.
 
2012-12-06 06:43:11 PM  

rga184: verbaltoxin: Burr: verbaltoxin: I shouldn't be sitting in a theater watching kids' movies, I'm an adult.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 700x231]

/just because I have adult responsibilities now doesn't mean I need to stop enjoying childish things

And I've decided that means reading Ray Bradbury, drinking whiskey, home brewing beer, playing music, watching pro wrestling, and eating grilled, seasoned meats.

If you want to pay $10/head to watch digital bedtime stories, more power to you.

Jesus, get over yourself.

stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg


I have serious doubts that 'verbaltoxin' is Jesus' Fark handle.
 
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