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2012-12-05 09:28:22 AM  
Best Buy's doing just fine destroying itself.
 
2012-12-05 09:30:14 AM  
Yeah, and Carthage is next.
 
2012-12-05 09:35:06 AM  
He's doing America a favor.
 
2012-12-05 09:43:57 AM  
Unmentioned in the Demos study is that the "new wage floor" is modeled after another Demos plan for a "living wage" that devastated business when it was attempted in some cities in the 1990s as a pet project of ACORN.

here's what I don't get - the Republicans believe that 'greed is good' right? I mean it's all they talk about: money, vast accumulation of wealth, Ayn Rand style make cash at all costs stuff. well, ok then. what is the problem with min wage workers doing WHATEVER it takes to raise their income? think about it - if you go around telling people that anything you do to give yourself more money is reasonable AND moral, then you can't really yell at workers who form unions to raise their own income levels. you TOLD them to go do anything/everything necessary to gain more money for themselves. Unions are merely doing what Rand told them they should be doing. enlightened self interest is a GOP core value...so why is it wrong for Unions to act in the best interest of their workers?
 
2012-12-05 09:44:09 AM  
Because their policy of not training employees on tech and instead training them on how to upsell is doing so well for them
 
2012-12-05 09:50:37 AM  
At least Best Buy employees will then be able to afford the extended warranties on the products they sell.
 
2012-12-05 09:59:34 AM  

Weaver95: Unions are merely doing what Rand told them they should be doing. enlightened self interest is a GOP core value...so why is it wrong for Unions to act in the best interest of their workers?


But union workers aren't rich industrialists, which automatically makes them leeches and parasites.

//C'mon people, go Galt. Go. GOOOOOO. I'd offer to donate money to help you leave, but that would offend your principles.
 
2012-12-05 10:01:50 AM  
I have this recurring dream of choking a Best Buy employee to death with a Monster cable. I don't know what it means but every night I wake up covered in semen.
 
2012-12-05 10:14:19 AM  
oh noes. the jorbs. they're going away.

:/
 
2012-12-05 10:15:53 AM  
What's with all the greenlights from all these right wing nut job sites?
 
2012-12-05 10:15:54 AM  

bdub77: I have this recurring dream of choking a Best Buy employee to death with a Monster cable. I don't know what it means but every night I wake up covered in semen.


i'm just glad I finally stopped dreaming about being stalked through a winter forest by a Wendigo.
 
2012-12-05 10:16:29 AM  

Mugato: What's with all the greenlights from all these right wing nut job sites?


meh. just point and laugh.
 
2012-12-05 10:16:31 AM  
I think Amazon might have something to do with that.
 
2012-12-05 10:38:38 AM  
Baltimore's then-mayor Kurt Schmoke eventually signed a compromise bill that guaranteed the new $6.10 minimum for workers at any companies contracting with the city. Supporters hailed the increase as a costless victory for low-income workers. But Baltimore's economy soon crashed, with 58,000 jobs disappearing.

The cost of a good went up (labor) and demand it for went down. And the left gets surprised by this every time.

Demos claims the "new wage floor" would lift 700,000 Americans out of poverty, and more than 1.5 million retail workers and their families would move up from in or near poverty. The think tank posits the pay hike would create 100,000 or more new jobs, thus stimulating the economy.

They are insane. At those wages, big box stores will just employ less people. The total they spend on labor will remain unchanged.
 
2012-12-05 10:41:35 AM  

SlothB77:

They are insane. At those wages, big box stores will just employ less people. The total they spend on labor will remain unchanged.


CEO pay will still continue to rise tho, right? because hey, why not...
 
2012-12-05 10:43:32 AM  

Weaver95: here's what I don't get - the Republicans believe that 'greed is good' right? I mean it's all they talk about: money, vast accumulation of wealth, Ayn Rand style make cash at all costs stuff. well, ok then. what is the problem with min wage workers doing WHATEVER it takes to raise their income? think about it - if you go around telling people that anything you do to give yourself more money is reasonable AND moral, then you can't really yell at workers who form unions to raise their own income levels. you TOLD them to go do anything/everything necessary to gain more money for themselves. Unions are merely doing what Rand told them they should be doing. enlightened self interest is a GOP core value...so why is it wrong for Unions to act in the best interest of their workers?


You can do better than that. So you believe Ayn Rand believed the government should force people into contracts? Tell me how that works when all contracts are voluntary.

'I'd like you to pay me double now.' Ok, get bent.
'We have a union now and we want 33% more.' K, bye.
 
2012-12-05 10:50:52 AM  

SlothB77:

You can do better than that. So you believe Ayn Rand believed the government should force people into contracts? Tell me how that works when all contracts are voluntary.


Rand seemed to believe that government was there to enforce contracts and that was it. nothing else. it was ALL fair game far as she was concerned. that includes workers finding ways to loot the 'job creators' too ya know. in Rand's view, if you claw your way up from the bottom by dragging down a rich guy, then hey - they obviously didn't deserve to be rich in the first place.

'I'd like you to pay me double now.' Ok, get bent.
'We have a union now and we want 33% more.' K, bye.


workers: 'good luck finding anyone to ship you raw materials or food for that matter.'
Galt: 'hey, that's not FAIR!'
workers: 'get bent. now pay me if you want to eat this month.'
Galt: 'i'm self sufficient! I don't need you parasites!'
workers: 'oh look, no fuel oil. damn, and it's winter too...start gathering fire wood mr. self sufficent!'
Galt: 'I hate you guys.'
 
2012-12-05 10:54:27 AM  
SlothB77 - also, I noticed you didn't answer my question. the GOP belief is that 'greed is good' and that enlightened self interest is how a society should function. so why is rich people greed given a free pass when poor people greed looked down upon? greed is good right? ALL greed is good. so if min wage workers organize and fight for higher wages/better working conditions then they are following GOP ideology: enlightened self interest and greed.

you should be in favor of unions. it's the free market at work.
 
2012-12-05 11:13:54 AM  

Weaver95: Rand seemed to believe that government was there to enforce contracts and that was it. nothing else.


minimum wage workers can organize into unions all they want. if no employer is willing to hire them at those union wages and they remain unemployed, how is that greedy? seems like the guy willing to take a lower salary, but actually employed is the greedy one.

... unless you believe the employer should be forced to enter into contract with the union.
 
2012-12-05 11:15:16 AM  

Weaver95: SlothB77:

They are insane. At those wages, big box stores will just employ less people. The total they spend on labor will remain unchanged.

CEO pay will still continue to rise tho, right? because hey, why not...


if the CEO is worth it, yes.
 
2012-12-05 11:15:47 AM  
A "living wage" was implemented in 80 cities from the mid-1990s to 2003, sometimes spearheaded by ACORN.

And ACORN strikes again!
 
2012-12-05 11:16:29 AM  

SlothB77: Weaver95: SlothB77:

They are insane. At those wages, big box stores will just employ less people. The total they spend on labor will remain unchanged.

CEO pay will still continue to rise tho, right? because hey, why not...

if the CEO is worth it, yes.


Ah yes, the myth of the golden CEO.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:05 AM  

t3knomanser: //C'mon people, go Galt. Go. GOOOOOO. I'd offer to donate money to help you leave, but that would offend your principles.


Galtian overlords love charity so long as they're the sole recipients.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:08 AM  

SlothB77: minimum wage workers can organize into unions all they want. if no employer is willing to hire them at those union wages and they remain unemployed, how is that greedy


whoa, We're through the looking glass people.. a right wing nutter arguing against the idea that unions are greedy.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:10 AM  
Left-wing think tank =/= Obama, even if Obama's best buddy Van Jones works for it.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:15 AM  
I thought I heard Walmart supports an across the board wage floor because it expands their customer base and would force competitors to raise their wages along with Walmart.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:17 AM  
ACORN! Van Jones! Communism! This story has all the bells and whistles for the Pavlovian community.
 
2012-12-05 11:17:51 AM  

SlothB77: Weaver95: SlothB77:

They are insane. At those wages, big box stores will just employ less people. The total they spend on labor will remain unchanged.

CEO pay will still continue to rise tho, right? because hey, why not...

if the CEO is worth it, yes.


so when a CEO gives himself an 80% pay raise, then demands workers take a pay cut to pay for it...you are saying that workers shouldn't protest...?

i'm confused.
 
2012-12-05 11:18:13 AM  

USCLaw2010: I thought I heard Walmart supports an across the board wage floor because it expands their customer base gives their customer base more disposable income and would force competitors to raise their wages along with Walmart.


FTFM
 
2012-12-05 11:18:55 AM  

Weaver95: Mugato: What's with all the greenlights from all these right wing nut job sites?

meh. just point and laugh.


It tough to find a non-nuts right wing site these days.
 
2012-12-05 11:19:09 AM  
th09.deviantart.net
 
2012-12-05 11:20:16 AM  

Weaver95: SlothB77 - also, I noticed you didn't answer my question. the GOP belief is that 'greed is good' and that enlightened self interest is how a society should function. so why is rich people greed given a free pass when poor people greed looked down upon? greed is good right? ALL greed is good. so if min wage workers organize and fight for higher wages/better working conditions then they are following GOP ideology: enlightened self interest and greed.

you should be in favor of unions. it's the free market at work.


Voluntary contracts versus involuntary contracts. CEO pay has gone up, but always through voluntary contracts entered between CEO's and companies. Minimum wage workers wish to fight for higher wages via force. They wish to use the power of the federal government to force companies to enter into contracts they otherwise would not enter into. I addressed this succinctly with my Weeners to you.

If you are going to allow the arbitrary use of force, then it isn't about greed anymore. It is about who is the most ruthless.
 
2012-12-05 11:20:18 AM  

SlothB77:
minimum wage workers can organize into unions all they want. if no employer is willing to hire them at those union wages and they remain unemployed, how is that greedy? seems like the guy willing to take a lower salary, but actually employed is the greedy one.


well, according to standard issue GOP ideology - ANYTHING that you do to give yourself more money is justified. so if unions force a company into an agreement, then hey - free market!

... unless you believe the employer should be forced to enter into contract with the union.

hey, greed is good, right? anything I do to enhance my personal bottom line is justified in Republican ideology.
 
2012-12-05 11:20:58 AM  
Hey, Repubs!
Maybe if everyone could make a living wage, the gubmint wouldn't have to spend so much on welfare and all them other "obama gifts".

Study it out.
 
2012-12-05 11:21:38 AM  
A far-left think tank founded with input from President Obama is pushing a plan for private retail stores such as Walmart to create a "new wage floor" that hikes workers' wages by at least 27 percent to $12.25 per hour.

The scheme is outlined in a new study published by Demos, a longtime partner of the disgraced ACORN activist group.



I gave it an honest shot, but I couldn't get past this sentence. ACORN? Still? Smh.


/I tried
 
2012-12-05 11:22:15 AM  

Weaver95: SlothB77: Weaver95: SlothB77:so when a CEO gives himself an 80% pay raise, then demands workers take a pay cut to pay for it...you are saying that workers shouldn't protest...?


Citation needed.
 
2012-12-05 11:22:30 AM  
A wage floor? That would be as stupid as guaranteeing farmers a certain price for their crops.
 
2012-12-05 11:22:46 AM  
The minimum wage is $10.25 (+/- depending on the currency conversion, but roughly on par) in British Columbia, Manitoba, and Ontario.

Strangely, all three of these have Best Buys and Walmarts open right now. I know, it shouldn't be possible, but it is. True story.
 
2012-12-05 11:22:52 AM  
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/their argument
//in a nutshell
 
2012-12-05 11:22:58 AM  

SlothB77:
Voluntary contracts versus involuntary contracts. CEO pay has gone up, but always through voluntary contracts entered between CEO's and companies. Minimum wage workers wish to fight for higher wages via force. They wish to use the power of the federal government to force companies to enter into contracts they otherwise would not enter into. I addressed this succinctly with my Weeners to you.

If you are going to allow the arbitrary use of force, then it isn't about greed anymore. It is about who is the most ruthless.


again, according to GOP beliefs - ANYTHING that I do to put more money in my pocket is completely justified. companies flat out hiring members of congress to make favorable laws: justified. workers forming a union and forcing companies into contracts favorable to unions: also justified.

And stop waving your weeners at me. i'm not gay.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:42 AM  

Weaver95: so when a CEO gives himself an 80% pay raise, then demands workers take a pay cut to pay for it...you are saying that workers shouldn't protest...?


If the company is run poorly, it will go bankrupt. The workers can protest by finding employment somewhere else. They can always ask for more money. If they are worth the pay raise, they will get it. If someone else deems them worth a pay raise, that someone else can hire them. In a truly free market, everyone would be paid exactly what they are worth.
 
2012-12-05 11:24:44 AM  
And Best Buy just rolled out their brilliant remodeling plan that removed about 60% of their shelf space and moved the neckbeards front and center.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:08 AM  

Coach_J: Weaver95: SlothB77: Weaver95: SlothB77:so when a CEO gives himself an 80% pay raise, then demands workers take a pay cut to pay for it...you are saying that workers shouldn't protest...?

Citation needed.


this is merely the most recent example.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:23 AM  

SlothB77: Weaver95: SlothB77 - also, I noticed you didn't answer my question. the GOP belief is that 'greed is good' and that enlightened self interest is how a society should function. so why is rich people greed given a free pass when poor people greed looked down upon? greed is good right? ALL greed is good. so if min wage workers organize and fight for higher wages/better working conditions then they are following GOP ideology: enlightened self interest and greed.

you should be in favor of unions. it's the free market at work.

Voluntary contracts versus involuntary contracts. CEO pay has gone up, but always through voluntary contracts entered between CEO's and companies. Minimum wage workers wish to fight for higher wages via force. They wish to use the power of the federal government to force companies to enter into contracts they otherwise would not enter into. I addressed this succinctly with my Weeners to you.

If you are going to allow the arbitrary use of force, then it isn't about greed anymore. It is about who is the most ruthless.


Striking bad. Having your subordinates setting your CEO salary and benefits through "compensation committee" good. Got it.
 
2012-12-05 11:25:46 AM  

SlothB77: Weaver95: SlothB77 - also, I noticed you didn't answer my question. the GOP belief is that 'greed is good' and that enlightened self interest is how a society should function. so why is rich people greed given a free pass when poor people greed looked down upon? greed is good right? ALL greed is good. so if min wage workers organize and fight for higher wages/better working conditions then they are following GOP ideology: enlightened self interest and greed.

you should be in favor of unions. it's the free market at work.

Voluntary contracts versus involuntary contracts. CEO pay has gone up, but always through voluntary contracts entered between CEO's and companies. Minimum wage workers wish to fight for higher wages via force. They wish to use the power of the federal government to force companies to enter into contracts they otherwise would not enter into. I addressed this succinctly with my Weeners to you.

If you are going to allow the arbitrary use of force, then it isn't about greed anymore. It is about who is the most ruthless.


And if that "voluntary" contract between the employer and the employee does not pay enough to meet the minimum subsistence requirements of the employee, the employee is a "moocher" if they take government assistance to keep themselves housed, clothed and fed, right?
 
2012-12-05 11:26:58 AM  

Weaver95: well, according to standard issue GOP ideology - ANYTHING that you do to give yourself more money is justified. so if unions force a company into an agreement, then hey - free market!


That would violate a Randian free market.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:07 AM  
The Waltons only own as much the bottom 40% so far, they need MOAR and you will comply! Paying you less with Wal-mart the only shopping choice left works out real well for them. Their main clientele is the poorly paid worker.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:37 AM  
Instead of a wage floor, can we have a pork rinds floor? Or cheeseburger with french fries and a Coke floor?

I think there should be standards set for all snack foods. The Twinkie is dead or dying. Is beef jerky next? Have you seen the 2 3/4 ounce bags of beef jerky? Wake up America!!1!

Seriously, if government doesn't intervene then the wage earners--who actually created wealth--will never receive their fair share of the wealth they created. Government can intervene with taxes, price controls, subsidies, war...

I'm beginning to believe that rich people prefer war over all other forms of wealth redistribution. Better than raising wages or paying higher taxes. If we go to war, the rich get richer while the joi polloi may see a rise in their living standards. As long as they aren't one of the joi polloi that end up blown to bits half way round the world.
 
2012-12-05 11:28:48 AM  

bdub77: I have this recurring dream of choking a Best Buy employee to death with a Monster cable. I don't know what it means but every night I wake up covered in semen.


♥♥♥
 
2012-12-05 11:28:54 AM  

USCLaw2010: I thought I heard Walmart supports an across the board wage floor because it expands their customer base and would force competitors to raise their wages along with Walmart.


Walmart has had, for at least the last 20 years, a contract with a company named Resources for Living. The purpose of Resources for Living is to help Walmart employees sign up for government assistance like welfare, food stamps and subsidized housing. Basically, it is cheaper for Walmart to pay a 3rd party company to help their employees mooch on the public safety net than it is for Walmart to pay a living wage.
 
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