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(ESPN)   The B1G Ten initiates its plan to topple the SEC   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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2012-12-05 09:26:53 AM  
Keep telling yourself that.
 
2012-12-05 09:35:38 AM  
Meh, the pendulum will swing another direction again, it always does.
 
2012-12-05 09:38:37 AM  
He'll do well in the SEC where scheme and strategy aren't as important as recruiting top talent. He was a good recruiter in Wisconsin but awful during games.
 
2012-12-05 09:40:45 AM  
By sending the guy who won the conference title for the last three years? Crafty. Good thing you guys still have Ferentz, Beckman, Kill, and whoever the hell coaches teams like Indiana.

basemetal: Meh, the pendulum will swing another direction again, it always does.


I dunno, the SEC has stacked the deck further in their favor than anyone else has in the history of conferences with their network, not to mention deals with ABC/ESPN AND CBS. And for all the love USC supposedly got - how many times did they get in a title game without being undefeated?
 
2012-12-05 09:42:55 AM  
Are we talking about the Big 10 Conference with 12 members or the Big 12 Conference with 10 members.

Either way, no one is going to topple the SEC until they shut down Johnny Football.
 
2012-12-05 09:49:57 AM  

basemetal: Meh, the pendulum will swing another direction again, it always does.


Which is fine unless it cuts the Big Ten in half in the process.
 
2012-12-05 09:55:57 AM  

minoridiot: Are we talking about the Big 10 Conference with 12 members or the Big 12 Conference with 10 members.

Either way, no one is going to topple the SEC until they shut down Johnny Football.


You haven't been keeping up with recent news -- the Big Ten is going to have 14 members soon.
 
2012-12-05 10:03:26 AM  

Donnchadha: You haven't been keeping up with recent news -- the Big Ten is going to have 14 members soon.


Oh no! Rutgers is coming! Save me Smithers!
 
2012-12-05 10:17:30 AM  
My guess is the conversation went like this:

Arkansas: "Hey you want to be our football coach?"
Bret: "No."
Arkansas: "We've got like the same colors as Wisconsin."
Bret: "Sh*t, you'd have to pay me to live in Arkansas."
Arkansas: "OK here's I dunno, $25 million."
Bret: "I love razorbacks - what's a razorback?"
Arkansas: "It's like a badger, but bacon comes out."
 
2012-12-05 11:20:29 AM  

IAmRight: By sending the guy who won the conference title for the last three years? Crafty. Good thing you guys still have Ferentz, Beckman, Kill, and whoever the hell coaches teams like Indiana.


The only thing worse than the unjustified love for Ferentz is his contract.
 
2012-12-05 11:23:29 AM  

IAmRight: I dunno, the SEC has stacked the deck further in their favor than anyone else has in the history of conferences with their network, not to mention deals with ABC/ESPN AND CBS. And for all the love USC supposedly got - how many times did they get in a title game without being undefeated?


The deck is so stacked against teams like USC and biased in favor of the SEC that Auburn was left out of the title game after being undefeated.

Give me a freaking break with your conspiracy theory bullshiat.
 
2012-12-05 11:28:11 AM  
Heard someone on the radio this morning give a pretty good summation of Bielema going to the SEC: He may think the grass is greener in the SEC, but the water bill is a helluva lot higher.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:19 AM  

Donnchadha: minoridiot: Are we talking about the Big 10 Conference with 12 members or the Big 12 Conference with 10 members.

Either way, no one is going to topple the SEC until they shut down Johnny Football.

You haven't been keeping up with recent news -- the Big Ten is going to have 14 members soon.


Apparently, resistance is futile.
 
2012-12-05 11:34:11 AM  
No matter what the Big Ten does, the SEC will always have one advantage they can't overcome. Weather. Would you rather play November or December games in Alabama or Georgia compared to Wisconsin or Michigan?
 
2012-12-05 11:36:50 AM  

ChrisDe: No matter what the Big Ten does, the SEC will always have one advantage they can't overcome. Weather. Would you rather play November or December games in Alabama or Georgia compared to Wisconsin or Michigan?


That's not even the real advantage of the weather. The real advantage of the weather is spending the winter in the south with much more attractive women around you than spending the winter in the north.
 
2012-12-05 11:37:39 AM  
The SEC other advantage is proximity to sucky Conference USA and Sun Belt. And no qualms about playing FCS schools each and every year. And 8 home games per season.
 
2012-12-05 11:39:03 AM  

bulldg4life: The deck is so stacked against teams like USC and biased in favor of the SEC that Auburn was left out of the title game after being undefeated.


I'm seriously beginning to think that they kept Auburn out that year specifically so SEC fans could still have a reason to cry about how they don't get ALL the breaks.

/Auburn is lucky they didn't make it to that title game, that way they got to stay undefeated
//23-0 in your own f*cking house
 
2012-12-05 11:40:13 AM  

ChrisDe: No matter what the Big Ten does, the SEC will always have one advantage they can't overcome. Weather. Would you rather play November or December games in Alabama or Georgia compared to Wisconsin or Michigan?


Get outta here with your logic. If you keep that up, next thing you know, you'll be saying that the locations of bowl games have nothing to do with giving certain conferences a home-field advantage, but rather are in cities that people like to visit around New Year's.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:38 AM  

IAmRight: bulldg4life: The deck is so stacked against teams like USC and biased in favor of the SEC that Auburn was left out of the title game after being undefeated.

I'm seriously beginning to think that they kept Auburn out that year specifically so SEC fans could still have a reason to cry about how they don't get ALL the breaks.

/Auburn is lucky they didn't make it to that title game, that way they got to stay undefeated
//23-0 in your own f*cking house


This undoubtedly us bucking heads over what region we call home, but you really think that Auburn team wouldn't have posed formidable against USC?
 
2012-12-05 11:42:36 AM  

IAmRight: whoever the hell coaches teams like Indiana.


IU's coach has done a pretty decent job this year, considering. IU took OSU all the way to the wire this year, and put up 49 points on them. Not too shabby. It's tough to work at a place where there is 0 football tradition. Apparently they're actually (kind of, by their standards) recruiting pretty well. There is a chance they might be decent in a few years.
 
2012-12-05 11:44:39 AM  

IAmRight: I dunno, the SEC has stacked the deck further in their favor than anyone else has in the history of conferences with their network, not to mention deals with ABC/ESPN AND CBS. And for all the love USC supposedly got - how many times did they get in a title game without being undefeated?


The Big Ten does better than the SEC between their network deals and the Big Ten Network. The Big Ten schools could absolutely throw money around the way SEC schools are and for whatever reason are choosing not to do so. We're starting to see some of the schools do it (Ohio State and Michigan both were willing to pay up for assistants, Michigan State opened up the checkbook to keep its DC after last year) but many of them are still going cheap.

Where the SEC has the deck stacked in their favor is the talent base being most heavily concentrated in their footprint, and a lot of guys like staying closer to home when they have that option. Not all of them, but that inertia is significant enough that they hold on to the vast majority of the top talent in their region.
 
2012-12-05 11:47:43 AM  
Bielema would've announced his departure earlier, but he wasn't paying attention to the clock.
 
2012-12-05 11:47:56 AM  
Considering the SEC has won 6 titles in a row, 8 in the BCS time period, and no other conference has won 2, there really isn't too much smack to talk. It's pretty clear cut who is the best.


/college football is stupid
 
2012-12-05 11:50:16 AM  
My gut feeling said he was forced out of Wisconsin. He was a mediocre coach, but a good recruiter. I think Barry Alvarez let him know that he wanted Bret gone.
As a Badger fan, I'm pumped. I never liked Beilema and his reputation around here is absolute trash.
 
2012-12-05 11:51:51 AM  
Guess he just couldn't stand losing another Rose Bowl again.
 
2012-12-05 11:53:51 AM  

IAmRight: bulldg4life: The deck is so stacked against teams like USC and biased in favor of the SEC that Auburn was left out of the title game after being undefeated.

I'm seriously beginning to think that they kept Auburn out that year specifically so SEC fans could still have a reason to cry about how they don't get ALL the breaks.

/Auburn is lucky they didn't make it to that title game, that way they got to stay undefeated
//23-0 in your own f*cking house


I think it's more like the SEC hadn't yet built the reputation of "Kentucky would obviously win the AFC East - we're that good" at the time.

College football rankings, even in the BCS era, have a lot to do with reputation. It's not just what you've done this season, but what you've done in the past two, three, five, or even ten seasons. You've seen it more than once with teams that are on the brink and then finally get in after building that kind of a reputation. The only exception is Notre Dame. Their reputation seems to be timeless. I think that Michigan is the only other team that comes remotely close to being overrated on a very consistent basis throughout the years. Of course, Notre Dame is undefeated this year, so their ranking is justified.

The SEC got the ball rolling on the national stature they enjoy now about two decades ago. The Big Ten has tried to mimic it, but they're way behind in reacting to trends and it's going to take time. The pendulum will again swing toward other conferences, but it's gonna be at least the better part of a decade before this happens.
 
2012-12-05 11:54:05 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: IAmRight: whoever the hell coaches teams like Indiana.

IU's coach has done a pretty decent job this year, considering. IU took OSU all the way to the wire this year, and put up 49 points on them. Not too shabby. It's tough to work at a place where there is 0 football tradition. Apparently they're actually (kind of, by their standards) recruiting pretty well. There is a chance they might be decent in a few years.


I went to IU in the early 90s. That's almost the golden age of IU football....
 
2012-12-05 11:56:07 AM  

basemetal: Meh, the pendulum will swing another direction again, it always does.


Um.....until all the black people move out of the Southeast, I'm not sure it ever will.
 
2012-12-05 11:57:08 AM  
Bielma saw a Wisconsin regression coming and got the fark out. If not for tattoos and child rape, he'd have the third place team in his division right now.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:08 AM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: My gut feeling said he was forced out of Wisconsin. He was a mediocre coach, but a good recruiter. I think Barry Alvarez let him know that he wanted Bret gone.
As a Badger fan, I'm pumped. I never liked Beilema and his reputation around here is absolute trash.


If that is true, Wisconsin is the most delusional program in America. Three straight Rose Bowls isn't enough?
 
2012-12-05 11:59:34 AM  

PowerSlacker: ChrisDe: No matter what the Big Ten does, the SEC will always have one advantage they can't overcome. Weather. Would you rather play November or December games in Alabama or Georgia compared to Wisconsin or Michigan?

That's not even the real advantage of the weather. The real advantage of the weather is spending the winter in the south with much more attractive women around you than spending the winter in the north.


Yep, there's that too.
 
2012-12-05 11:59:45 AM  
Bielema always looks so goofy while he's coaching.
 
2012-12-05 12:00:05 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: He'll do well in the SEC where scheme and strategy aren't as important as recruiting top talent. He was a good recruiter in Wisconsin but awful during games.


One of my friends is a huge fan of the Badgers, but is incredibly pessimistic about any team that he follows. He is absolutely livid about people bagging on Bielema for not winning the big games or not having the Badgers competing for a national championship. He thinks that anyone having those expectations is a moron. An oft repeated quote, "I wish I was enough of a failure as to lose two straight Rose Bowls and make it to a third...". I'm not a fan of college football so I just laugh at the impotent rage.

bdub77: My guess is the conversation went like this:

Arkansas: "Hey you want to be our football coach?"
Bret: "No."
Arkansas: "We've got like the same colors as Wisconsin."
Bret: "Sh*t, you'd have to pay me to live in Arkansas."
Arkansas: "OK here's I dunno, $25 million."
Bret: "I love razorbacks - what's a razorback?"
Arkansas: "It's like a badger, but bacon comes out."


That's good stuff right there.
 
2012-12-05 12:00:54 PM  
I said it in the Spurrier thread, and I'll say it here too. This being the SEC, what Arkansas should do is hire two coaches, wait a year to see which one looks to be panning out better, and make the other punting coach or something.
 
2012-12-05 12:04:21 PM  

bdub77: My guess is the conversation went like this:

Arkansas: "Hey you want to be our football coach?"
Bret: "No."
Arkansas: "We've got like the same colors as Wisconsin."
Bret: "Sh*t, you'd have to pay me to live in Arkansas."
Arkansas: "OK here's I dunno, $25 million."
Bret: "I love razorbacks - what's a razorback?"
Arkansas: "It's like a badger, but bacon comes out."


From a livability/day-to-day standpoint, the move from Wisconsin to Arkansas seems like a lateral one. A move from backwater, flyover yokel territory to backwater flyover hillbilly territory seems like a minimal leap, plus you might have slightly better odds at competing for a national title. Maybe. Probably not, though.
 
2012-12-05 12:04:21 PM  

someonelse: Bielema would've announced his departure earlier, but he wasn't paying attention to the clock.


Win.
 
2012-12-05 12:07:21 PM  
The B1G is going to schedule four OOC pasties instead of 9 conference games?

They will refuse to leave their geographical location?

They will lower their academic standards?
 
2012-12-05 12:12:52 PM  

MyRandomName: The B1G is going to schedule four OOC pasties instead of 9 conference games?

They will refuse to leave their geographical location?

They will lower their academic standards?


Wait... is the joke that they do all those things already?
 
2012-12-05 12:13:19 PM  

Crocodile Arms: plus you might have slightly better odds at competing for a national title. Maybe. Probably not, though.


i'm not so sure. at wisconsin he had to beat what ohio state and michigan and a bunch of school that were last good in the 50s or never. good undefeated and ta-da you get a shot at the title (or soon perhaps not evn undefeated with the playoffs) at arkansas he has play lsu (have you seen the talent in that state?), bama (they cray cray about football and buy players), auburn (ok, bad example, but if they can buy another qb...), texas a&m (texas talent with sec money, johnny football, annoying ass corps) and that's before the cross over games with the east. granted they got luck with their standing cross over being mizzou (who will probably always be shiat).  granted it's tough to recruit to madison (lovely city, but cold), but it's not like recruiting to arkansas will be simple.
 
2012-12-05 12:13:33 PM  

ChrisDe: No matter what the Big Ten does, the SEC will always have one advantage they can't overcome. Weather. Would you rather play November or December games in Alabama or Georgia compared to Wisconsin or Michigan?


Just wait until global warming makes the summers in the south unbearable and the winters in the north nice and comfortable. We're just playing the waiting game.
 
2012-12-05 12:15:38 PM  

Crocodile Arms: bdub77: My guess is the conversation went like this:

Arkansas: "Hey you want to be our football coach?"
Bret: "No."
Arkansas: "We've got like the same colors as Wisconsin."
Bret: "Sh*t, you'd have to pay me to live in Arkansas."
Arkansas: "OK here's I dunno, $25 million."
Bret: "I love razorbacks - what's a razorback?"
Arkansas: "It's like a badger, but bacon comes out."

From a livability/day-to-day standpoint, the move from Wisconsin to Arkansas seems like a lateral one. A move from backwater, flyover yokel territory to backwater flyover hillbilly territory seems like a minimal leap, plus you might have slightly better odds at competing for a national title. Maybe. Probably not, though.

I've never been to Madison, so I can't comment on the first part, but I can tell that you've never been to Fayetteville and shouldn't comment on the second.
 
2012-12-05 12:15:47 PM  

PowerSlacker: If that is true, Wisconsin is the most delusional program in America. Three straight Rose Bowls isn't enough?


They are very delusional with an awful fanbase. I know I bagged on Nebraska fans for being cocky, but they're also affable. Wisconsin fans are not. I don't know if it's the mentality up there or what, because Packer fans are dicks, too (though not as bad as Wisconsin fans.

They have completely forgotten where the program was before Barry Alvarez.
 
2012-12-05 12:17:46 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: IAmRight: whoever the hell coaches teams like Indiana.

IU's coach has done a pretty decent job this year, considering. IU took OSU all the way to the wire this year, and put up 49 points on them. Not too shabby. It's tough to work at a place where there is 0 football tradition. Apparently they're actually (kind of, by their standards) recruiting pretty well. There is a chance they might be decent in a few years.


If the highlite of your season is a loss... you are not doing a decent job.
 
2012-12-05 12:18:42 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: They have completely forgotten where the program was before Barry Alvarez.


there was a program before barry?
 
2012-12-05 12:21:36 PM  

MyRandomName: The B1G is going to schedule four OOC pasties instead of 9 conference games?

They will refuse to leave their geographical location?

They will lower their academic standards?


Four pasties? Why would you need more then two?
 
2012-12-05 12:21:59 PM  

PowerSlacker: ChrisDe: No matter what the Big Ten does, the SEC will always have one advantage they can't overcome. Weather. Would you rather play November or December games in Alabama or Georgia compared to Wisconsin or Michigan?

That's not even the real advantage of the weather. The real advantage of the weather is spending the winter in the south with much more attractive women around you than spending the winter in the north.


It's more than those two. It's the ability for year round outdoor practice while they're young and then a matter of staying relatively close to home as most college students do.
 
2012-12-05 12:22:44 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: PowerSlacker: If that is true, Wisconsin is the most delusional program in America. Three straight Rose Bowls isn't enough?

They are very delusional with an awful fanbase. I know I bagged on Nebraska fans for being cocky, but they're also affable. Wisconsin fans are not. I don't know if it's the mentality up there or what, because Packer fans are dicks, too (though not as bad as Wisconsin fans.

They have completely forgotten where the program was before Barry Alvarez.


Plus, I think a big reason Bielema is going to Arkansas is not only because they're paying him a ton, but they'll fork over the money to keep his coaching staff intact. Hasn't Wiscy lost about six assistants the past couple years to other jobs? I think that has a lot to do with the 7-5 record this year, and probably is one of the reasons he's leaving.

Also, I really hope Wisconsin hires Paul Chryst from Pitt. Just one more humiliation for Steve Pederson, the guy who ran Nebraska football into the ground. Should he leave, that would mean Pitt would have five coaches in four seasons. Every football program the guy touches turns to shiat.
 
2012-12-05 12:24:48 PM  

bdub77: My guess is the conversation went like this:

Arkansas: "Hey you want to be our football coach?"
Bret: "No."
Arkansas: "We've got like the same colors as Wisconsin."
Bret: "Sh*t, you'd have to pay me to live in Arkansas."
Arkansas: "OK here's I dunno, $25 million."
Bret: "I love razorbacks - what's a razorback?"
Arkansas: "It's like a badger, but bacon comes out."


That was just so terrific.
 
2012-12-05 12:27:21 PM  

A Fark Handle: KiwDaWabbit: They have completely forgotten where the program was before Barry Alvarez.

there was a program before barry?


In name only. The Big Ten in those days was the Big Eight and the Little Two. Wisconsin was one of the little two. My wife attended UW at that time and the most excitement during football games at Camp Randall was drinking to excess and passing young women up and down the stands. Certainly not the actual football game, which generally sucked.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: My gut feeling said he was forced out of Wisconsin. He was a mediocre coach, but a good recruiter. I think Barry Alvarez let him know that he wanted Bret gone.
As a Badger fan, I'm pumped. I never liked Beilema and his reputation around here is absolute trash.


This is quite possible. He also got married this year and there may well be too many memories in the bars around Madtown. I have heard some rather icky things about his personal life, but apparently it's not as bad as the *last* not acting Head Coach they had at Arkansas.
 
2012-12-05 12:30:44 PM  

velvet_fog:
Plus, I think a big reason Bielema is going to Arkansas is not only because they're paying him a ton, but they'll fork over the money to keep his coaching staff intact. Hasn't Wiscy lost about six assistants the past couple years to other jobs? I think that has a lot to do with the 7-5 record this year, and probably is one of the reasons he's leaving.

Also, I really hope Wisconsin hires Paul Chryst from Pitt. Just one more humiliation for Steve Pederson, the guy who ran Nebraska football into the ground. Should he leave, that would mean Pitt would have five coaches in four seasons. Every football program the guy touches turns to shiat.


I heard something to the tune of Wisconsin has lost more assistants in the past few years than any other program in major college football. You make a very good point. Although the head coach is the face of the football program, assistants help make or break it. I realize it sounds like a huge excuse, but that is a lot of what happened to Iowa this year under Ferentz. Personally, I think they made a bad hire at offensive coordinator.

Getting back to what you were saying, coordinators make so much difference, especially when you don't bring in the top-tier recruits. You have to put almost all of your focus on development. If Bielema can get both top recruits and top coordinators, watch out.
 
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