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(Washington Post)   Not news: Only 39% of Americans view the Simpson-Bowles plan favorably. News: 25% view the Panetta-Burns plan favorably. Fark: There is no Panetta-Burns plan   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 162
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2012-12-05 09:50:11 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Pocket Ninja: The Panetta Burns plan does exist; I first read it about more than three weeks ago. It's pretty off-the-radar, though, so I'm hardly surprised that neither anybody in here nor the article writer have heard of it. But that was back before a quarter of all people started to notice it. It's getting pretty played out now, a lot of people I know have moved on to more interesting and unique plans. The Gromley-Hinckson, for example, or if you really want something obscure, Kanes-Tyrex or Indigo-Montoya.

So it's the hipster plan?

MorrisBird: The Panera-Bread plan calls for a charred sandwich and bland soup. I cannot support this debacle.

[img.photobucket.com image 209x272]

I favor the Pantera-Bread plan myself. It takes things to a new level.


Now that's just a vulgar display of flour.

/ba dum tish
 
2012-12-05 09:50:53 AM  
I'm in favor of the Webly-Vickers plan
 
2012-12-05 09:51:06 AM  
MorrisBird:

How many people do you know who own computers, have immediate access to the web and, yet, ask you inane questions that they could answer themselves with a ten second google search? Yeah, I thought so. Me too.

Which Simpson, Jessica or OJ?

I thought Paul Bowles was dead.
 
2012-12-05 09:51:17 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: I favor the Pantera-Bread plan myself. It takes things to a new level.


I can't support it. It's such a vulgar display of flour.


/not my joke.
 
2012-12-05 09:52:37 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The Panetta Burns plan does exist; I first read it about more than three weeks ago. It's pretty off-the-radar, though, so I'm hardly surprised that neither anybody in here nor the article writer have heard of it. But that was back before a quarter of all people started to notice it. It's getting pretty played out now, a lot of people I know have moved on to more interesting and unique plans. The Gromley-Hinckson, for example, or if you really want something obscure, Kanes-Tyrex or Indigo-Montoya.


I hear the BooBoo-Kardashian plan is polling very well.
 
2012-12-05 09:53:01 AM  
We already have proof positive that the American people are uninformed about political issues.

img24.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-05 09:53:04 AM  

CheekyMonkey: What do you want to bet that the 25% consists entirely of Honey Boo Boo & Jersey Shore viewers?

\I fully suppport the Snooki-BooBoo deficit reduction plan...


I do not support the Snooki-BooBoo deficit reduction plan, as there will there ever be a time when there are too few Snooki's or Honey Boo Boo's.
 
2012-12-05 09:53:12 AM  
I favor the Wallace and Gromit plan, and have for some time.
 
2012-12-05 09:53:53 AM  

iheartscotch: Pocket Ninja: The Panetta Burns plan does exist; I first read it about more than three weeks ago. It's pretty off-the-radar, though, so I'm hardly surprised that neither anybody in here nor the article writer have heard of it. But that was back before a quarter of all people started to notice it. It's getting pretty played out now, a lot of people I know have moved on to more interesting and unique plans. The Gromley-Hinckson, for example, or if you really want something obscure, Kanes-Tyrex or Indigo-Montoya.

I imagine the Indigo-Montoya plan involves looking for the 6 fingered man.

/ my name is Indigo Montoya; you killed my father, prepare to die!


I think you meant "prepare to dye."
 
2012-12-05 09:53:55 AM  

hdhale: Not taken in account apparently: the fact that a percentage of the American population have a negative opinion of Leon Panetta and would oppose any plan he is associated with, regardless of its content.

/personally I'd cast a wary eye upon it
//does the Panetta-Burns plan originate in North Korea...I hear there is a unicorn lair there


Agreed. I'd like to think I'd honestly admit "never heard of it" had I been a part of this survey but I don't like admitting ignorance more than any other man so I might have simply assumed I'd disagree with it with it based on Panetta's attachment to it based on my past knowledge of him.
 
2012-12-05 09:55:26 AM  
Relevant


Link
 
2012-12-05 09:59:59 AM  
If only I was not part of the population, I would say you all deserve this government, you earned it.
More accurately, we failed to earn a better government.
 
2012-12-05 10:00:15 AM  
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that a quarter or our citizenry would have an opinion about something that doesn't even exist. Are these people Farkers?
 
2012-12-05 10:01:02 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-05 10:01:49 AM  

St_Francis_P: Maybe they were saying Panetta Boo-urns?


I was saying Boo-urns
 
2012-12-05 10:04:12 AM  
The Monty-Burns plan is available here.
 
2012-12-05 10:07:56 AM  
This thread makes me happy in so many ways.
 
2012-12-05 10:08:35 AM  
Who's playing in the Simpson-Bowle?
 
2012-12-05 10:08:36 AM  
You like that statistic, don't you?

I do.

Why?

Because 9% think it's too high, AND SHOULDN'T BE CUT! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
 
2012-12-05 10:08:55 AM  

Driedsponge: CheekyMonkey: What do you want to bet that the 25% consists entirely of Honey Boo Boo & Jersey Shore viewers?

\I fully suppport the Snooki-BooBoo deficit reduction plan...

I do not support the Snooki-BooBoo deficit reduction plan, as there will there ever be a time when there are too few Snooki's or Honey Boo Boo's.


Too few Snooki's whats? Too few Honey Boo Boo's whats?

\also, the plural of Honey Boo Boo is Honeys Boo Boo, not Honey Boo Boos...
 
2012-12-05 10:10:21 AM  

KrispyKritter: take the average farker on the street, some sort of math for hours per week. subtract the hours they sleep, hygiene - dress time, commute, work, time for the 100 chores everyone does every week, time for other responsibilities they have in life. average farker has very little time to themselves to keep up with the events of the day, their personal interests/hobbies/recreation and what's going on in the world. and still some jerkoff has to bust peoples balls because they don't know everything about everything. morans. actually, newpaper reporter = elitist morans. the wurst kind of moran.

i spit on elitist newspaper reporter moran. pa-tooooiie!



The author didn't pass judgement on anyone in the peice. They just reported the facts. And in this case the facts tell you a lot. They give you a good idea about just how much people are prone to lie to opinion polls, and how much the specific wording of the polls can affect the outcome of the poll.
 
2012-12-05 10:10:38 AM  
Leon Panetta.
Leon Burns.
Leonard Bernstein.
The truth is out there
 
2012-12-05 10:11:15 AM  

MorrisBird: How many people do you know who own computers, have immediate access to the web and, yet, ask you inane questions that they could answer themselves with a ten second google search? Yeah, I thought so. Me too.


I've thought this and brought it up in conversations many, many times. With that said, you did just ask a question impossible to answer by simply going to the computer.....or did you?

I suppose my gmail contact list would be a good start.
 
2012-12-05 10:11:40 AM  

sxacho: Leon Panetta.
Leon Burns.
Leonard Bernstein.
Leon(ardo) DaVinci
The truth is out there

 
2012-12-05 10:11:51 AM  
Are you saying that people are ignorant mongrels? You don't say...
 
2012-12-05 10:18:18 AM  
What it says to me is that there are some people who just oppose stuff whether it is a good idea or not or even whether they have heard of it or not. This portion of negative votes shold be removed from any tally.

do the same with the positive and split the undecided 50/50.
 
2012-12-05 10:18:59 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: We already have proof positive that the American people are uninformed about political issues.

[obama wins.jpg]


content.ytmnd.com

Happy Holidays. I got you exactly what you need.
 
2012-12-05 10:22:05 AM  
Did they interview these people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I
 
2012-12-05 10:29:24 AM  
while interested in keeping costs contained it's worth while to note that ignorance is in fact, free.

I fear for 'murica
 
2012-12-05 10:30:46 AM  
I'm not in favor of hyphenated plans, so I would also have responded negatively to the Panetta-Burns plan despite never having heard of it. People from different political parties should not work together, it's un-American. I mean, anti-American. Uh, not American.
 
2012-12-05 10:31:31 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: We already have proof positive that the American people are uninformed about political issues.

[img24.imageshack.us image 150x113]


i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-05 10:31:49 AM  

Nemo's Brother: Did they interview these people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I


You mean an uninformed electorate? Unpossible. Actually, that was just a bunch of deliberately misleading butthurt, racist BS. One would have got the same answers from tea partiers.
 
2012-12-05 10:32:14 AM  

Dr.Weir: I fully support the Kobayashi-Maru Plan myself.


Under the current 2 party system im America...we are all neck deep on Kobayashi-Maru.
 
2012-12-05 10:33:12 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: We already have proof positive that the American people are uninformed about political issues.

[img24.imageshack.us image 150x113]



I think that point was made in 2004.
 
2012-12-05 10:33:33 AM  
If only they had somehow managed to imply that Obama liked the Panetta-Burns plan, they could probably have gotten unfavorable ratings for it close to 45-50%.
 
2012-12-05 10:34:18 AM  
Reminds me of when Howard Stern was interviewing black people by asking them what they thought of Obama's policies (which were actually things McCain was running his platform on) and the interviewees went at length agreeing with it. This was followed by them dinging policies they were told were from McCain but were actually from Obama.
 
2012-12-05 10:34:19 AM  
This is simply a trick to make people look stupid. "Panetta-Burns' nonexistent policy proposals were supported by 8 percent and opposed by 17 percent of the voters surveyed."

I imagine that the questions were something like "Do you support or oppose the following policy which is part of the Panetta-Burns act: blah blah blah". Those surveyed simply agreed or disagreed with the policy. They assumed that "Panetta-Burns" existed because most people would consider that as a prerequisite for being asked whether or not you support it's policies.

If someone came up to you and said "do you support the Hoot-Smalley act?" You may say you don't know because you've never heard of it. If someone came up to you and said "Do you support the Hoot-Smalley act which gives tax breaks to the most wealthy 2% of Americans to stimulate the economy?". You are more likely to say yes or no. You know whether or not you support tax breaks for the wealthy so there's no need to go look up the Hoot-Smalley act before you answer the question. You are assuming that the person speaking to you is talking about something that is not made up.
 
2012-12-05 10:34:25 AM  

JackieRabbit: I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that a quarter or our citizenry would have an opinion about something that doesn't even exist. Are these people Farkers?


Farkers are these people.

/watch yer logic
 
2012-12-05 10:35:48 AM  

numbquil: This is simply a trick to make people look stupid. "Panetta-Burns' nonexistent policy proposals were supported by 8 percent and opposed by 17 percent of the voters surveyed."

I imagine that the questions were something like "Do you support or oppose the following policy which is part of the Panetta-Burns act: blah blah blah". Those surveyed simply agreed or disagreed with the policy. They assumed that "Panetta-Burns" existed because most people would consider that as a prerequisite for being asked whether or not you support it's policies.

If someone came up to you and said "do you support the Hoot-Smalley act?" You may say you don't know because you've never heard of it. If someone came up to you and said "Do you support the Hoot-Smalley act which gives tax breaks to the most wealthy 2% of Americans to stimulate the economy?". You are more likely to say yes or no. You know whether or not you support tax breaks for the wealthy so there's no need to go look up the Hoot-Smalley act before you answer the question. You are assuming that the person speaking to you is talking about something that is not made up.


No tricks necessary.
You, unlike most 'Mericans, are over thinking.
 
2012-12-05 10:36:31 AM  

JackieRabbit: Nemo's Brother: Did they interview these people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I

You mean an uninformed electorate? Unpossible. Actually, that was just a bunch of deliberately misleading butthurt, racist BS. One would have got the same answers from tea partiers.


This is what Democrats actually believe.
 
2012-12-05 10:36:48 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I'm in favor of the Webly-Vickers plan


I'm a Garand-Browning advocate myself.
 
2012-12-05 10:40:39 AM  
I prefer the Saffir-Simpson plan.
 
2012-12-05 10:41:07 AM  
I don't like Panetta-Burns all that much myself, because typically the bread is dry and half-stale and they pile on way too much mayo.
 
2012-12-05 10:41:18 AM  
I'm fully in support of the Weyland-Yutani plan, which involves taking off and nuking the entire site from orbit. It is, after all, the only way to be sure.
 
2012-12-05 10:42:44 AM  

BullBearMS: It will take time to crunch the numbers here


Krugman: "I'm talking out of my ass here.."
 
2012-12-05 10:44:51 AM  

sxacho: Leon Panetta.
Leon Burns.
Leonard Bernstein.
The truth is out there


i.imgur.com

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-12-05 10:46:45 AM  
make me some tea:

and these people vote

I don't. Voting is for suckers.

Y'all must mean this plan (Wikipedia link). Cute. Yet another deckchair-rearranging plan.

Why should the world's most militarily powerful country care about its notional national debt? E.g., there are a few countries in Africa that have tyrannical but inefficient governments, abundant mineral resources and tribally dived armies we could knock over with the downdraft from an Apache 'copter: at this point colonizing or clientelizing them could only benefit their people by sharing our technology, administrative skill, health care and better-than-most rights and freedoms, and would pay for itself through safer and more efficient extraction techniques. Take Burundi for example:

"Burundi is one of the five poorest countries in the world. It has one of the lowest per capita GDPs of any nation in the world and a low gross domestic product largely due to warfare, corruption, poor access to education and the effects of HIV/AIDS[citation needed]. Burundi is densely populated and experiences substantial emigration.

Cobalt and copper are among Burundi's natural resources, while coffee and sugar are two of its main exports."

We could greatly alleviate their civil warfare, corruption and education problems and greatly slow the rate of HIV increase by safer-sex education, distributing cheap or free condoms and making sure their hospitals and clinics have enough new disposable needles to go around (reuse of dirty or badly sterilized needles being a major cause of HIV in the Third World); control of Burundi's cobalt, coffee and copper would pay for this. It's pretty much a win-win deal.

The Hutu-Tutsi strife would be harder to deal with (and is not my area) but my hunch is the experience of American blacks would be useful, helping to submerge ethnic divisions into the broader category of black Burundians or even black Africans. Black Americans differ greatly among themselves in height, body shape, skin tone, nasal breadth, indeed most of the visible props used to separate Hutu from Tutsi, yet they are all Black; Malcolm X even had light eyes, reddish hair and freckles. By simply being there black Americans would model cooperation in many ways.

If capitalism is not evil per se then colonialism isn't either: it all depends on how it's done. And instead of wrangling over how to divide the pie we have we should make the pie bigger and go from there.
 
2012-12-05 10:46:53 AM  

cubic_spleen: I'm fully in support of the Weyland-Yutani plan, which involves taking off and nuking the entire site from orbit. It is, after all, the only way to be sure.


Actually, that's the Ripley-Hicks plan. The Weyland-Yutani plan is much worse.
 
2012-12-05 10:48:37 AM  

numbquil: This is simply a trick to make people look stupid. "Panetta-Burns' nonexistent policy proposals were supported by 8 percent and opposed by 17 percent of the voters surveyed."

I imagine that the questions were something like "Do you support or oppose the following policy which is part of the Panetta-Burns act: blah blah blah". Those surveyed simply agreed or disagreed with the policy. They assumed that "Panetta-Burns" existed because most people would consider that as a prerequisite for being asked whether or not you support it's policies.

If someone came up to you and said "do you support the Hoot-Smalley act?" You may say you don't know because you've never heard of it. If someone came up to you and said "Do you support the Hoot-Smalley act which gives tax breaks to the most wealthy 2% of Americans to stimulate the economy?". You are more likely to say yes or no. You know whether or not you support tax breaks for the wealthy so there's no need to go look up the Hoot-Smalley act before you answer the question. You are assuming that the person speaking to you is talking about something that is not made up.


If the question had been "Do you support Congress agreeing on a plan other than the ones that have been suggested", and the answer was:

8% No, I want to go over the cliff.
17% Yes, any agreement is better than no agreement.
75% I don't know, I'd have to see the agreement.

would you consider those answers dishonest?

"Wanna get raped repeatedly with a left handed crescent wrench"?
"Um, no thanks"
"Haha! Liar. There's no such thing as a left handed crescent wrench!"
 
2012-12-05 10:49:55 AM  

KrispyKritter: take the average farker on the street, some sort of math for hours per week. subtract the hours they sleep, hygiene - dress time, commute, work, time for the 100 chores everyone does every week, time for other responsibilities they have in life. average farker has very little time to themselves to keep up with the events of the day, their personal interests/hobbies/recreation and what's going on in the world. and still some jerkoff has to bust peoples balls because they don't know everything about everything. morans. actually, newpaper reporter = elitist morans. the wurst kind of moran.

i spit on elitist newspaper reporter moran. pa-tooooiie!


Or, 25% of people could stop lying and admit that they don't know what is in the supposed 'plan'. Because they don't, because it doesn't exist.

This does not require any time or effort, only honesty and integrity.
 
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