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(BBC)   Turkish government fines TV station because the Simpsons mocked God. Wait until they find out about South Park   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 14
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2012-12-05 12:08:05 PM
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cynicalbastard:

If you think that insulting God will get you into trouble in Turkey, try insulting Mustafa Kemal. Fortunately, I know WW1 history, when our ship was in Istanbul any time some young fellow in uniform there asked "What do you think of our leader Ataturk?" and my standard reply "From what I've read, he was a great soldier and statesman who earned the respect of both friends and enemies." always got a smile and handshake. And in one case a pat on the back and asked if I'd be interested in going for a drink and to talk about Turkish history, and perhaps to the famous baths- no, I don't swing that way, and yes, in spite of regulations, a lot of the guys in their military do.


My snark and general abuse upthread notwithstanding, Ataturk seemed like a classy guy. He wrote a memorial for the ANZAC soldiers who had died in the Gallipoli campaign:

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side now here in this country of ours... you, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land. They have become our sons as well.

From his perspective, the ANZACs were a bunch of foreigners who invaded his country and killed a bunch of his friends. For him to offer carte blanche forgiveness and acceptance like that is pure, unadulterated class.
2012-12-05 08:43:40 AM
2 votes:
For the omnipotent creator of the universe, he sure is a thin-skinned little titty-baby, eh?
2012-12-05 08:32:02 AM
2 votes:
Oh, Turkey, we had such high hopes for you, what with the EU and the secular reforms and the. Y'just didn't go far enough. Pity. The 21st century welcomes you when you're ready.
2012-12-05 07:37:48 AM
2 votes:
what farking century am i living in? hey, the dark ages called, they want their idiocy back...
2012-12-05 11:57:02 AM
1 votes:
Can we just end all this "respect for people's beliefs" and just be open and accepting of insults and slander. There needs to be tolerance for angering and insulting people.
2012-12-05 10:24:57 AM
1 votes:
Turkey is about due for another bloodless coup, wherein the military jails the heads of the AK Party (Erdoğan, Gül et al.) and briefly takes over governance until another round of elections can be held. The 10% referendum needs to be overturned, and a return to secular statehood is required. Unfortunately, many of the younger career military are Islamist, while the older CHP (Atatürk supporters) members are retiring. The disappointments with the EU commerce have turned Turkey's interests east (pretty much every Egyptian taxicab is now manufactured by Tofaş), and the conflicts in other Islamist states might have the Turks considering a return to the caliphate.
2012-12-05 09:53:39 AM
1 votes:

fustanella: Oh, Turkey, we had such high hopes for you, what with the EU and the secular reforms and the. Y'just didn't go far enough. Pity. The 21st century welcomes you when you're ready.


^This

What happened, Turkey? You used to be cool! Don't forget Ataturk.
2012-12-05 09:51:20 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: fustanella: Oh, Turkey, we had such high hopes for you, what with the EU and the secular reforms and the. Y'just didn't go far enough. Pity. The 21st century welcomes you when you're ready.

Turkey is weird. From what I know, they are culturally conservative and religious, but they have a secular government. Something about a former ruler long since dead that basically forced the Turkish government to be secular.


Mustafa Kemal Ataturk did try to ensure a secular government, and it's amazing it's lasted this long. The military, which was secular, traditionally ran things, but it's looking like the Islam-o-derps are gaining power over there, which is too bad.
2012-12-05 09:29:17 AM
1 votes:

aagrajag: Yup. One of the best pieces of advice that one can give to another about having a good life in Turkey is: "Don't be a Kurd."


Followed by "don't be Armenian"
2012-12-05 09:18:08 AM
1 votes:

aagrajag: rocketpants: "Turkey is a secular republic ..."

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Well, it is. Although, the army has to periodically step in to smack down the Islamists.

And Turkey is by far the most rational and progressive of the predominantly Muslim nations...


That's what is so scary.
2012-12-05 09:10:44 AM
1 votes:

rocketpants: "Turkey is a secular republic ..."

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Well, it is. Although, the army has to periodically step in to smack down the Islamists.

And Turkey is by far the most rational and progressive of the predominantly Muslim nations...
2012-12-05 09:03:51 AM
1 votes:

21-7-b:
A Turkish prosecutor has demanded that a Kurdish man who is deaf, illiterate and unable to speak be jailed for 25 years for supporting terrorism.


There's your problem
2012-12-05 09:03:10 AM
1 votes:
And this is why there can be no debate about Turkey joining the EU at present.
After a decade of pulling none of this kind of shiat, you can pull up a seat and we can at least talk. Until then, just "no".
2012-12-05 07:45:30 AM
1 votes:
Good thing the blasphemy police are there to save them or a cartoon might have toppled religious belief in turkey
 
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