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(The New York Times)   Bob Dole wanted the Senate to sign onto a treaty banning discrimination against the disabled. Bob Dole sat on the Senate floor and watched the vote proceed. Bob Dole disappointed his fellow Republicans voted it down. Bob Dole. Bob Dole   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2012-12-05 12:50:51 AM  
Well, at least someone remembers those old SnL skits during that election
 
2012-12-05 01:08:06 AM  
I wish he had been able to gather the energy to stand up, make his way to the podium, and lay the verbal smack down on each and every person who voted no.
 
2012-12-05 01:16:02 AM  
Among their fears about the disabilities convention were that it would codify standards enumerated in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child - and therefore United Nations bureaucrats would be empowered to make decisions about the needs of disabled children - and that it could trump state laws concerning people with disabilities. Proponents of the bill said these concerns were unfounded.


we are finally to the point where our own government doesn't know how the law works.
 
2012-12-05 01:43:02 AM  

log_jammin: we are finally to the point where our own government doesn't know how the law works


No, we are finally at that point that our government doesn't know the laws we have. This treaty was based on the Americans with Disabilities Act. If anything it would be a threat to the sovereignty of the 130some countries that already ratified it.
 
2012-12-05 01:48:54 AM  

cretinbob: This treaty was based on the Americans with Disabilities Act. If anything it would be a threat to the sovereignty of the 130some countries that already ratified it.


I know. But this notion that "Treaty X will trump the constitution and destroy our sovereignty!" has kind of become regular thing.
 
2012-12-05 05:55:16 AM  

log_jammin: cretinbob: This treaty was based on the Americans with Disabilities Act. If anything it would be a threat to the sovereignty of the 130some countries that already ratified it.

I know. But this notion that "Treaty X will trump the constitution and destroy our sovereignty!" has kind of become regular thing.


"Avoid foreign entanglements", unless Israel wants you to bomb somebody.
 
2012-12-05 06:33:52 AM  
GOP: chocked full of ridiculous, mean-spirited, willfully-ignorant, petty assholes.
 
2012-12-05 06:34:31 AM  
This shows just how ridiculous the xenophobia of the GOP has become, and how little interest Republican Senators have in actually doing their job and governing.

This vote is sickening.
 
2012-12-05 06:35:36 AM  
www.lolbrary.com
 
2012-12-05 06:42:34 AM  
GOP,
We get it.... you're dicks.
 
2012-12-05 06:43:25 AM  
We literally had to do NOTHING different. We already have our Americans with Disabilities Act, this just ensures that other countries do the same.

You know, so that when disabled Americans -- like our injured vets -- visit other countries, they'd have the same kind of access to public transportation and other things, they way they do here at home. This is not only pissing on the UN (congrats GOP, we know that's all you really want), but it's also pissing on every disabled American that travels abroad.
 
2012-12-05 06:45:03 AM  
Childish Republican fear of the U.N. is nothing new.
 
2012-12-05 06:50:53 AM  
Teabagger paranoia on full display

Echo chamber...how does it work?
 
2012-12-05 06:55:42 AM  
There are days when I can say I am proud to be an American citizen. This is not one of those days. Today, I am farking embarrassed as hell to be an American. Hell, I am more embarrassed than the time I pulled down my pants in front of a girl and she couldn't stop laughing for fifteen minutes at how small my penis is.
 
2012-12-05 06:56:30 AM  
This is just a horrible mistake. As much as I hate the GOP, we actually need them to govern with some sense of right and wrong/functionality. For the good of the country and the world. This makes us (or at least the red states) look like laughingstocks.

A very sad day indeed.

/And how do you walk past Dole sitting in a wheelchair and shake his hand, and then go vote against him?
This is a brave man, a good man, a Republican man - and you just shat in his face.
 
2012-12-05 06:58:21 AM  
I'm sure the UN is already on the LOPCATGOPATA, but do Bob Dole or the Disabled have to be added also?

BTW, it now has links
 
2012-12-05 06:59:27 AM  
Remember: Jesus loves you and hates cripples and gays.
 
2012-12-05 07:00:14 AM  

DeltaPunch: We literally had to do NOTHING different. We already have our Americans with Disabilities Act, this just ensures that other countries do the same.

You know, so that when disabled Americans -- like our injured vets -- visit other countries, they'd have the same kind of access to public transportation and other things, they way they do here at home. This is not only pissing on the UN (congrats GOP, we know that's all you really want), but it's also pissing on every disabled American that travels abroad.


It's almost as if the Republicans think the Americans with Disabilities Act is a mistake and should be removed.

Almost.
 
2012-12-05 07:01:06 AM  

vernonFL: I'm sure the UN is already on the LOPCATGOPATA, but do Bob Dole or the Disabled have to be added also?

BTW, it now has links


The UN is already on the list, but Bob Dole and the disabled are not, so yes, they must be added to the list.
 
2012-12-05 07:02:54 AM  
It's not a ridiculous line of thought - simple really. Just wrong.

- Ratified treaties become 'law of the land' - federal law.

- Federal Law trumps state law.

- Once ratified, if the UN votes to change the treaty it will be enforceable against state governments.

Of course, it doesn't work that way. But people with a distrust of the UN and no real understanding of the law can follow it and believe it. And the Republican Senators who likely to a man know its a ridiculous fear are both unwilling to take a stand against the idiots in their base and more than willing to use the vote (which doesn't change things here) to thumb their noses at the president and UN. What do they care how other governments treat their disabled? It doesn't affect THEM.
 
2012-12-05 07:03:07 AM  
This "sovereignty" argument is a smokescreen. It makes no sense to me. When the colonies banded together and formed the US, they all had to give up some sovereignty in order to cooperate. The individual states still don't have full autonomy, but that doesn't cripple us.

The EU is floundering for precisely this reason. They wanted to band together, like the US, and share economies and have mutual cooperation. But they are trying to do it without giving up their individual states' sovereignty. It's not possible, and look at the mess that has resulted.

And the UN is the same situation. How can we presume to have an international coalition of countries all working together toward the common good if we all want to keep total autonomy? It isn't possible. In this specific case, I'm even more baffled because I don't see how it can hurt the US since the provisions are based on how we already do things. Do we have plans to start taking rights away from the disabled?
 
2012-12-05 07:09:39 AM  
Sovereignty is a big issue for Republicans.

Unless you're talking about Iraq or the American Indian, that is.
 
2012-12-05 07:11:14 AM  

Zumaki: This "sovereignty" argument is a smokescreen. It makes no sense to me. When the colonies banded together and formed the US, they all had to give up some sovereignty in order to cooperate. The individual states still don't have full autonomy, but that doesn't cripple us.

The EU is floundering for precisely this reason. They wanted to band together, like the US, and share economies and have mutual cooperation. But they are trying to do it without giving up their individual states' sovereignty. It's not possible, and look at the mess that has resulted.

And the UN is the same situation. How can we presume to have an international coalition of countries all working together toward the common good if we all want to keep total autonomy? It isn't possible. In this specific case, I'm even more baffled because I don't see how it can hurt the US since the provisions are based on how we already do things. Do we have plans to start taking rights away from the disabled?


At this point...anything is possible. In the Ayn Rand world there is no place for disabled. There is no room for failure.  Individualism uber alles.
 
2012-12-05 07:11:56 AM  

Zumaki: This "sovereignty" argument is a smokescreen. It makes no sense to me. When the colonies banded together and formed the US, they all had to give up some sovereignty in order to cooperate. The individual states still don't have full autonomy, but that doesn't cripple us.

The EU is floundering for precisely this reason. They wanted to band together, like the US, and share economies and have mutual cooperation. But they are trying to do it without giving up their individual states' sovereignty. It's not possible, and look at the mess that has resulted.

And the UN is the same situation. How can we presume to have an international coalition of countries all working together toward the common good if we all want to keep total autonomy? It isn't possible. In this specific case, I'm even more baffled because I don't see how it can hurt the US since the provisions are based on how we already do things. Do we have plans to start taking rights away from the disabled?


This really isn't the most baffling treaty rejection that I've seen of late. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, if ratified, would have had major positive impacts on our freedom of movement in international waters. Multiple Secretaries of State and Defense overwhelmingly supported it. Several four-star generals and admirals overwhelmingly supported it. National security staffers under George W. Bush overwhelmingly supported it. Thirty-four Republican Senators signed a document stating they would oppose its ratification because of the farking sovereignty complaint.
 
2012-12-05 07:20:14 AM  
I wonder what Krauthammer has to say about this.
 
2012-12-05 07:21:59 AM  
We're also not a party to the ICC, the International Criminal Court. You know, the ones that tries people for genocide and war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The only other countries who aren't members are Iraq, Libya, Israel and China.

So we're in good company.
 
2012-12-05 07:26:25 AM  

Nurglitch: I wonder what Krauthammer has to say about this.


"It's Obama's fault"
 
2012-12-05 07:27:09 AM  
Well, there are deeper reasons to oppose this (searching for right adjectives) treaty):

Writing for World Net Daily on Monday, Santorum said the treaty had "darker and more troubling implications" and suggested that it would have meant the forced abortion his daughter because she has a rare genetic disorder.

Ok, I'm on board now.
 
2012-12-05 07:28:56 AM  
The GOP has outlived its usefulness. Why do they exist? What are their goals? Do they even know anymore?
 
2012-12-05 07:30:28 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The GOP has outlived its usefulness. Why do they exist? What are their goals? Do they even know anymore?


I think their main goal right now is to be a bunch of giant farking douches.
 
2012-12-05 07:30:30 AM  
Homer: Well, what do you think?
Editor: This is a joke, right? I mean this is the stupidest thing I've ever read!
Homer: What's wrong with it?
Editor: You keep using words like "Pasghetti" and "Momatoes" You make numerous threatening references to the UN and at the end you repeat the words "Screw Flanders" over and over again.
 
2012-12-05 07:33:56 AM  
GOP only likes rich people.
 
2012-12-05 07:34:08 AM  
Nobody is gonna tell these great United States how to abuse our tards!!1! States' rights!!1!
 
2012-12-05 07:37:46 AM  

bookelly:
/And how do you walk past Dole sitting in a wheelchair and shake his hand, and then go vote against him?
This is a brave man, a good man, a Republican man - and you just shat in his face.


If this is how they treat a person they respect, what do you think they'd do to the rest of the country?
 
2012-12-05 07:50:35 AM  
At least someone had the decency to make sure Bob Dole was wheeled out of there before the sausage got made.

Bob Dole was wounded fighting fascism. I wish he had had one more fight left in him. He could still probably kicked most of those GOP Senate fascists. A Model 1911 in his good hand and his pen stuck through the ring of a grenade. And maybe another grenade in his teeth.
 
2012-12-05 07:52:38 AM  
I weep for our country. 1/3 of our elected officials are idiots who don't have the foggiest idea how the law works. And writing laws is their job.
 
2012-12-05 07:55:56 AM  

sumida sublight: bookelly:
/And how do you walk past Dole sitting in a wheelchair and shake his hand, and then go vote against him?
This is a brave man, a good man, a Republican man - and you just shat in his face.

If this is how they treat a person they respect, what do you think they'd do to the rest of the country?


/shudder/

We have a MAJOR climate issue looming too... What fun. Good times, good times.
 
2012-12-05 08:02:05 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: DeltaPunch: We literally had to do NOTHING different. We already have our Americans with Disabilities Act, this just ensures that other countries do the same.

You know, so that when disabled Americans -- like our injured vets -- visit other countries, they'd have the same kind of access to public transportation and other things, they way they do here at home. This is not only pissing on the UN (congrats GOP, we know that's all you really want), but it's also pissing on every disabled American that travels abroad.

It's almost as if the Republicans think the Americans with Disabilities Act is a mistake and should be removed.

Almost.


Signed into law by Bush Sr., right? Lord knows how much of a RINO he is by today's standards...
 
2012-12-05 08:02:10 AM  
The saddest part of this for me is that it makes some people happy.
 
2012-12-05 08:03:36 AM  
Senator Jerry Moran of Kansas praised the treaty in a news release with Mr. McCain in May but voted against it. Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi voted yes at the beginning of the roll call vote and then switched his vote to no. Calls to the offices of Mr. Moran and Mr. Cochran were not returned.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-05 08:03:46 AM  
Won't find this story on FoxNews' site.
 
2012-12-05 08:07:19 AM  

log_jammin: cretinbob: This treaty was based on the Americans with Disabilities Act. If anything it would be a threat to the sovereignty of the 130some countries that already ratified it.

I know. But this notion that "Treaty X will trump the constitution and destroy our sovereignty!" has kind of become regular thing.


Pffft.....ask any native American tribe about the US and how it honors treaties. We have nothing to fear!
 
2012-12-05 08:10:28 AM  
I get "we already have this law, dude. signing a treaty making it the law again is redundant, bad bookkeeping, and frankly differences in wording are going to degrade the effectiveness of enforcement by causing confusion". That's fine, practical, etc.

I even get "if we do this, if we ever wanted to change the policy we'd have to change it twice, and modifying a treaty is a huge pain in the ass for one with this many signatories". That's lazy, but I get it.

What I don't get is "we can't do this because UN taking our guns one-world government freemasons WHARGARBL". You're motherfarking adult congressmen, not goddamned 15-year-old conspiracy theorists who just discovered Ron Paul and Anonymous.
 
2012-12-05 08:11:51 AM  

log_jammin: cretinbob: This treaty was based on the Americans with Disabilities Act. If anything it would be a threat to the sovereignty of the 130some countries that already ratified it.

I know. But this notion that "Treaty X will trump the constitution and destroy our sovereignty!" has kind of become regular thing.


Well, you see, the UN has all these black helicpoters and soldiers in blue helmets that r gonna take our guns n stuff.

Or something.
 
2012-12-05 08:15:36 AM  
Senators from both parties went to greet Mr. Dole, leaning in to hear his wispy reply, as he sat in support of the treaty, which would require that people with disabilities have the same general rights as those without disabilities. Several members took the unusual step of voting aye while seated at their desks, out of respect for Mr. Dole, 89, a Republican who was the majority leader.

Then, after Mr. Dole's wife, Elizabeth, rolled him off the floor, Republicans quietly voted down the treaty that the ailing Mr. Dole, recently released from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, so longed to see passed.


So the GOP are dicks AND cowards. Not even brave enough to vote this thing down in front of him. Hung like hamsters, all of them.
 
2012-12-05 08:19:23 AM  

Hilarity_N_Sues: So the GOP are dicks AND cowards.



That doesn't actually come as a surprise to you, does it?
 
2012-12-05 08:22:03 AM  

hiker9999: Hilarity_N_Sues: So the GOP are dicks AND cowards.

That doesn't actually come as a surprise to you, does it?


Not at all, no. Just hoping they might have had the tiniest strength of their pathetic little convictions.
 
2012-12-05 08:22:47 AM  
I blame John Bolton. (He may or may not have anything to do with this, but I really can't stand the man).
 
2012-12-05 08:24:13 AM  

theknuckler_33: Won't find this story on FoxNews' site.


Whoa, you're right. I was curious how they covered it, and apparently.. they didn't. Apparently if it's too hard to spin how you like it, just ignore it.
 
2012-12-05 08:28:32 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I wish he had been able to gather the energy to stand up, make his way to the podium, and lay the verbal smack down on each and every person who voted no.


It wouldn't have made any difference. He's a soldier, not a DoD contractor.
 
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