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(Kotaku)   Bethesda finally listens to fans and adds a truly deadly enemy to the next Skyrim DLC. He only shows when you've hit the level cap and "he is the hardest enemy in the game by far, and no one has beaten him in their first one-on-one encounter"   (kotaku.com) divider line 269
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2012-12-04 05:01:57 PM  
Is it Martin?
 
2012-12-04 05:07:26 PM  
I'm guessing this guy won't be so tough on a PC with mods that let you get all skill trees and craft some crazy stuff.

I'm gonna kite him to the top of the 5,000 stairs and fus-ro-dah him right off for sport.
 
2012-12-04 05:11:04 PM  
They made expansions for Skyrim? I did not know.
 
2012-12-04 05:12:01 PM  

naughtyrev: I'm guessing this guy won't be so tough on a PC with mods that let you get all skill trees and craft some crazy stuff.


I'm picturing the mod my son installed where you call down exploding cheese wheels from the sky.

"CHEESE.... FOR EVERYONE!"
 
2012-12-04 05:20:38 PM  

naughtyrev: I'm guessing this guy won't be so tough on a PC with mods that let you get all skill trees and craft some crazy stuff.


Or the consoles. My khajit has a bow that does about 260,000 damage a shot thanks to a couple alchemy exploits.

I do plan on killing this guy using normal, non-exploited means, but if he turns out to actually be a biatch like everyone describes, I'm not afraid to pull out my "Dragonbone Bow of Shang Tsung" (it has leeching and soul trap, thought it fit well)
 
2012-12-04 05:21:22 PM  
It's hard to level up after a certain point. You have to use skills you don't actually have any use for. I'm wandering around Skyrim pickpocketing people and casting "detect life".
 
2012-12-04 05:21:42 PM  
Or after using the enchanting restoration fortify bug to make your gear have 10000% modifiers.
 
2012-12-04 05:38:04 PM  
A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?
 
2012-12-04 05:41:35 PM  

Ed Finnerty: A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?


The most evil farking bug ever created for video games. If you didn't have VATS points, you were pretty much screwed.
 
2012-12-04 05:48:50 PM  

naughtyrev: I'm guessing this guy won't be so tough on a PC with mods that let you get all skill trees and craft some crazy stuff.

I'm gonna kite him to the top of the 5,000 stairs and fus-ro-dah him right off for sport.


Yeah, I'm gonna guess that he'll be hard only if you're unprepared. Just from what I see in the article, the disarm shout and an armored troll/companion (maybe even a few summons) should wreck him.

My conjurer has a small army following him at all times. Two thrall mages, Serana, and an armored dog. Total, you'll end up with 7 combatants once they finish their summoning (it can get buggy, some of them disappear randomly). I'm working on finishing heavy armor+block+ one handed+ restoration to make myself unkillable.
 
2012-12-04 05:54:59 PM  

Ed Finnerty: A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?


fc01.deviantart.net
 
2012-12-04 06:04:32 PM  

James!: They made expansions for Skyrim? I did not know.


right, I got ridiculously bored with the game after killing a half dozen dragons by level 8 or so, and then ran into a bug where i had to get someone out of a cell, and they got stuck, and the only way i could get them out was to go back an hour or so of save points to reload him. blah blah blah.

Probably the most boring RPG genre game I've seen in .. well, ever.
 
2012-12-04 06:20:28 PM  

Ed Finnerty: A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?


A single cazador is tough. Often times, however, there are more than one. Imagine 3 of those coming at you.

"Sh*t! Run away! Run away!"

/drops armor
//mooooommmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 06:23:52 PM  
Meanwhile I died 15 times on Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls.

So far...100 times this playthrough. WOO WOO!
 
2012-12-04 06:26:54 PM  
In honor of those lethal bastards....

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-04 06:49:15 PM  
They neglect to mention this mob wasn't of their own design. Their compilers, so fed up with their heeds of warnings being ignored for so long...called upon this sinister monster to avenge them.

Bah, I can knock them but Bethesda has consistently brought out compelling worlds of vast entertainment, and that's just editing the .ini files to max out the eye candy.
 
2012-12-04 07:00:20 PM  

MBK: Meanwhile I died 15 times on Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls.

So far...100 times this playthrough. WOO WOO!


Just 15 times? I've been trying to beat them for a couple weeks, and I've only gotten close once (one F*CKING hit away!) For the moment I've given up on them and am hanging around in the Valley of Drakes.
 
2012-12-04 07:02:09 PM  
Once you go Ebony Warrior, you never go back.
 
2012-12-04 07:05:34 PM  
That sounds cool I wonder if it will be available for PS3.

/Still waiting on Dawnguard.
 
2012-12-04 07:05:39 PM  
scottydoesntknow: The most evil farking bug ever created for video games. If you didn't have VATS points, you were pretty much screwed.

I finally got to the point where I could kill these guys with regularity.

// boone as a companion
// expertly repaired fully automatic weapons with extended mags
// lots of antivenom and stimpacks
// high stealth
// take one aimed shot with a rifle to disable the wings, then switch to the automatic weapon and spray the shiat out of them.
 
2012-12-04 07:08:18 PM  
img.gawkerassets.com

Imma kick his ass and take his armor.
 
2012-12-04 07:08:54 PM  
I bet he is pretty easy once he takes an arrow to the knee
 
2012-12-04 07:09:06 PM  

CipollinaFan: That sounds cool I wonder if it will be available for PS3.

/Still waiting on Dawnguard.


They did say that PC AND PS3 players would be getting it early next year. Still no luck on dawnguard or hearthfire yet, but they're supposedly really sure they'll get Dragonborn out on all platforms.
 
2012-12-04 07:11:31 PM  
I'm a level 81. I have a sword that one hits dragons and does nearly 100k damage. I also have a bow that does nearly 100k damage, so I'm not exactly shaking in my daedric magic resist boots.
 
2012-12-04 07:15:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: CipollinaFan: That sounds cool I wonder if it will be available for PS3.

/Still waiting on Dawnguard.

They did say that PC AND PS3 players would be getting it early next year. Still no luck on dawnguard or hearthfire yet, but they're supposedly really sure they'll get Dragonborn out on all platforms.


I'll believe it when i see it.
 
2012-12-04 07:16:37 PM  
Skyrim's truly deadly enemy is water...every time I jump in it, my game froze.

/Luckily this happened after I platinumed the game
//Thanks to the water bug, some guy in Puerto Rico now has my Skyrim game and I'm $30 richer
 
2012-12-04 07:16:56 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: It's hard to level up after a certain point. You have to use skills you don't actually have any use for. I'm wandering around Skyrim pickpocketing people and casting "detect life".


THIS. I finally stopped playing (with Dawnguard completed) at level 80. Now I'm going to have to do all kinds of random things to meet the new baddy. I play on Xbox so I'm confined to my 247 damage war axes which should make that encounter pretty interesting. Still, the depth of the content and size of the new explorable area may make the leveling a bit easier than expected.

/god I sound like a nerd. look what Skyrim did to me! I've never even played D&D or Warcraft!
/ok, but I did play Eye of the Beholder on my 486
/and I did finish Zork 1 & 2 on my Commodore
/Ultima was a really good series
/ok, I admit it. I'm a nerd who belongs on the geek tab
 
2012-12-04 07:20:26 PM  
I doubt anyone who plays stealth is going to have a hard time dealing with him.

He shows up, use Shadow Warrior. Roll. Backstab.

Cast invisibility. Backstab. Rinse. Repeat, if it's even necessary at that point. Even without insane alchemy enhanced weapons.

Of course, then your game will crash and save file will corrupt, because it's a Bethesda game.
 
2012-12-04 07:20:52 PM  
So...

They added Umbra back, but aren't calling it Umbra.

//Realize Umbra was pretty easy to kill, but I swear the Bearer always wore Ebony.
 
2012-12-04 07:22:05 PM  

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

[i.imgur.com image 850x509]


I remember running into cazadors for the first time. I remember thinking, well this is probably just a slightly toughe... OH MY GOD MY FACE!
 
2012-12-04 07:22:32 PM  
I look forward to seeing the videos of someone beating him to death with their bare hands.

/if I ever play Skyrim, I want to do that
 
2012-12-04 07:24:18 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: It's hard to level up after a certain point. You have to use skills you don't actually have any use for. I'm wandering around Skyrim pickpocketing people and casting "detect life".


Yeah, I'm somewhere in the mid 60s, and unless I spend a fark ton of time doing boring crap like pickpocketing and buying/selling useless crap just to level some stealth or speech skills, I'm as high as I'm going to be going. Hell, the last few levels have been because I've been grinding stats in skills I just haven't used much (either magic or combat styles I didn't specialize in). It just started becoming a job and the result is I haven't fired up Skyrim in months. I doubt I will, either. It was a fun game and a good value for my entertainment dollar, but I just don't feel the desire to create a new character and try another style or grind my way to level 80.

I can see why others would, but I think I've had my play out of this one.
 
2012-12-04 07:25:56 PM  

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....


Heh, they're bad, but not _that_ bad. I typically have far more trouble with night-stalkers (and sometimes nightkin) because the usual anti-cazador tactic (a solid V button to the face) doesn't work on cloakers until they've bunked something unpleasant up each of your nostrils.
 
2012-12-04 07:27:48 PM  
I liked the shadow-version of yourself you had to fight in the Shivering Isles expansion of Oblivion. That was a super tough boss (since it's you, +5 or 10 levels I think), and he drops some seriously badass jet black weapons once you finally kill him.
 
2012-12-04 07:28:21 PM  

Coolfusis: naughtyrev: I'm guessing this guy won't be so tough on a PC with mods that let you get all skill trees and craft some crazy stuff.

I'm gonna kite him to the top of the 5,000 stairs and fus-ro-dah him right off for sport.

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that he'll be hard only if you're unprepared. Just from what I see in the article, the disarm shout and an armored troll/companion (maybe even a few summons) should wreck him.

My conjurer has a small army following him at all times. Two thrall mages, Serana, and an armored dog. Total, you'll end up with 7 combatants once they finish their summoning (it can get buggy, some of them disappear randomly). I'm working on finishing heavy armor+block+ one handed+ restoration to make myself unkillable.


i'm a very... prepared player. i have a hard time comprehending how someone could NOT have various little tools that are adaptable to any given situation. hell, i carry around more situational potions than i do healing potions, for those times where i need to be able to resist whatever or disable some resist on some mob. you laugh at fire? well how do you like my 300% weakness to fire poison on a flaming arrow, biatch?

my favorite bow enchanting pair is shocking/paralyze. tazer arrows ftw.
 
2012-12-04 07:29:56 PM  

akula: Yeah, I'm somewhere in the mid 60s, and unless I spend a fark ton of time doing boring crap like pickpocketing and buying/selling useless crap just to level some stealth or speech skills, I'm as high as I'm going to be going. Hell, the last few levels have been because I've been grinding stats in skills I just haven't used much (either magic or combat styles I didn't specialize in). It just started becoming a job and the result is I haven't fired up Skyrim in months. I doubt I will, either. It was a fun game and a good value for my entertainment dollar, but I just don't feel the desire to create a new character and try another style or grind my way to level 80.

I can see why others would, but I think I've had my play out of this one.


Use the Oghma Infinium exploit if it's that much of a hassle for you to level.
 
2012-12-04 07:31:43 PM  
i thought this game was about arrows or something
 
2012-12-04 07:38:55 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: I liked the shadow-version of yourself you had to fight in the Shivering Isles expansion of Oblivion. That was a super tough boss (since it's you, +5 or 10 levels I think), and he drops some seriously badass jet black weapons once you finally kill him.


Oh. That's a cool enemy.

I did one full play thru with Skyrim. I tried 3 more times and had one character who was leveling well, but hadn't done the main quest at all (so no dragons).

It just seemed to me that there were more dungeons, ruins and raiders than there were 'normal' people. I could not get fully immersed because of this. At least in Fallout, you expect that. In Skyrim, I figured the empire and the kingdoms had more power over normal day to day affairs. They all seemed locked up in their cities with everyone else left to rot.
 
2012-12-04 07:39:44 PM  
Wait, even tougher thanthis farker?
 
2012-12-04 07:41:51 PM  
Hope he looks like this:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-04 07:44:07 PM  

moothemagiccow: i thought this game was about arrows or something


That's everyone's knee-jerk reaction to the game
 
2012-12-04 07:52:15 PM  

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

[i.imgur.com image 850x509]


The only thing missing from that is a TINY line at the very bottom saying "And tell your family you love them"
 
2012-12-04 07:53:20 PM  
LOL>>>>> Started Skyrim about a month ago. I was scared of Dragons for like a week. Now I am at level 30 and really last night thought "is this as hard as it gets"---Apparently was not the only one. Bethesda says HAPPY HOLIDAYS heres an annoyawarrior.
/feel like I am missing something
 
2012-12-04 07:53:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

[i.imgur.com image 850x509]


s2.subirimagenes.com

/They must be one lethal swarm of farking bastards
 
2012-12-04 08:00:26 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: LOL>>>>> Started Skyrim about a month ago. I was scared of Dragons for like a week. Now I am at level 30 and really last night thought "is this as hard as it gets"---Apparently was not the only one. Bethesda says HAPPY HOLIDAYS heres an annoyawarrior.
/feel like I am missing something


Thar be tougher foes then the dragons...
24.media.tumblr.com

Actually the ones that really got my goat were the dragon-priests, at least until I could double enchant all my gear to be resistant to everything simultaneously.
 
2012-12-04 08:01:54 PM  

Glitchwerks: akula: Yeah, I'm somewhere in the mid 60s, and unless I spend a fark ton of time doing boring crap like pickpocketing and buying/selling useless crap just to level some stealth or speech skills, I'm as high as I'm going to be going. Hell, the last few levels have been because I've been grinding stats in skills I just haven't used much (either magic or combat styles I didn't specialize in). It just started becoming a job and the result is I haven't fired up Skyrim in months. I doubt I will, either. It was a fun game and a good value for my entertainment dollar, but I just don't feel the desire to create a new character and try another style or grind my way to level 80.

I can see why others would, but I think I've had my play out of this one.

Use the Oghma Infinium exploit if it's that much of a hassle for you to level.


Or just incpcs # since that's essentially the same thing.

I look forward to getting my ass handed to me by this guy since I use a bunch of difficulty/realism mods since the vanilla scaling and combat is stupid easy
 
2012-12-04 08:07:44 PM  
Much better than Blizzard's idea for Diablo 3:

- Can't use anything halfway decent until level 60
- Once you reach level 60, nothing to do except play the same campaign you literally just played four times
- Solution: Level up 100 more times by playing the same campaign you literally just played five times
 
2012-12-04 08:08:30 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: Is it Martin?


Melvin.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 08:11:00 PM  
i45.tinypic.com

None shall pass.
 
2012-12-04 08:17:07 PM  
Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.
 
2012-12-04 08:21:43 PM  

kmmontandon: Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.


No, it's thankfully not nearly as annoying and the perks are enjoyable, but it's still a piss poor system.

I've never been impressed with their leveling systems. Or anyone else's, for that matter.
 
2012-12-04 08:23:24 PM  
Yeah Gearbox said the same thing about Terramorphis. When that didn't pan out they just made the next two retardedly cheap and are about to nerf the Bee just to make them even harder. Hope Bethesda makes it an actual challenge instead of 9999 HP and one hit kills.
 
2012-12-04 08:24:59 PM  

MBK: Meanwhile I died 15 times on Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls.

So far...100 times this playthrough. WOO WOO!


My buddy watched me get them first try, on my first toon, but it was mostly based on my characters set up. Pyro is a beautiful thing. But Capra demon was a 20 try affair, he killed me after peaking my head in the door every time without fail. Then my sorcerer killed the first few bosses without putting his catalyst down and laughed. But then smough tore me a new one about fifty times until a few sunbros came to the rescue. God I love that game.
 
2012-12-04 08:27:12 PM  
they stopped scamming PS3 players?
 
2012-12-04 08:29:18 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: It's hard to level up after a certain point. You have to use skills you don't actually have any use for. I'm wandering around Skyrim pickpocketing people and casting "detect life".


there's always the oghma infinium glitch...
 
2012-12-04 08:29:46 PM  
Played Skyrim after a long time. Haven't remembered why I was bored after five months of it.

I remembered it pretty quickly, but then, I thought, it and Torchlight are a little better than Diablo 3.
 
2012-12-04 08:31:13 PM  

Glitchwerks: kmmontandon: Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.

No, it's thankfully not nearly as annoying and the perks are enjoyable, but it's still a piss poor system.

I've never been impressed with their leveling systems. Or anyone else's, for that matter.


Give a leveling system in a game that works.
 
2012-12-04 08:31:28 PM  

avalanche: Wait, even tougher thanthis farker?


Came here looking for this, glad someone beat me to it.

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

i.imgur.com


Cazadors weren't half as bad as Cliffracers. Sure, that was a different kind of "bad", but still.
 
2012-12-04 08:32:12 PM  

kmmontandon: Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.



It's quite similar, except that they removed class skills, so in order to level up you must increase any combination of skills ten times.

Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.

Anyway, in short:

They made the mechanics even less complicated (compared to, for example, Morrowind) to cater to the vast sea of utter f*cking morans that play on consoles and need something more like CoD and less like an actual RPG. Oh, and who have to play on sh*tty little controllers, instead of a mouse/keyboard, making the game even less interesting and harder to control.

Really, I like Skyrim, but it's really goddamn sad to think what it might have been if not for goddamn console gamers.
 
2012-12-04 08:33:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

[i.imgur.com image 850x509]


My solution is as follows...

1.- Jet (Hoorray! You're addicted!... Again!)
2.- VATs
3.- Plasma Grenades
4.- Pray it works.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:15 PM  

kmmontandon: Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.


Noooooooo. Skyrim made a lot of changes from Oblivion. There are now only 3 attributes, no birth signs, and levels are gained by building skills which is marginally easier than Oblivion but there are far fewer skills than in Oblivion. They combined some skills like "Speech" and "merchantile" together, for example. No athletics, no acrobatics, etc.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:22 PM  
This reminds me: Bethesda really should commission Manowar to write and perform a companion soundtrack for certain quests.

There are folks who think that you can do better than listening to Manowar while playing Skyrim. Those people are what we call "wrong".

/also in need of commissioning: competent software engineers.
 
2012-12-04 08:42:49 PM  

Marine1: This reminds me: Bethesda really should commission Manowar to write and perform a companion soundtrack for certain quests.

There are folks who think that you can do better than listening to Manowar while playing Skyrim. Those people are what we call "wrong".

/also in need of commissioning: competent software engineers.


Just Manowar? I'd add either Amon Amarth or Tyr to the mix, but Manowar is a solid set.
 
2012-12-04 08:44:18 PM  

Ambivalence: Noooooooo. Skyrim made a lot of changes from Oblivion. There are now only 3 attributes, no birth signs, and levels are gained by building skills which is marginally easier than Oblivion but there are far fewer skills than in Oblivion. They combined some skills like "Speech" and "merchantile" together, for example. No athletics, no acrobatics, etc.


I liked where they were going with the perk trees, but the execution was far from perfect. For example, why did pickpocketing need its own tree? This made absolutely no sense.

Why did speechcraft have to be a skill when everyone leveled up automatically and no one chose the perks?

There was lots of room to put better stuff in there (Mysticism and a whole stack of new spells or Short Blade in some form), but I feel like they didn't really take balance into consideration while they were playtesting.

Skyrim was a huge improvement over Oblivion in lots of respects, but I get annoyed that it could have been so much better with some more polish and dedication.
 
2012-12-04 08:44:39 PM  

Sid_6.7: kmmontandon: Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.


It's quite similar, except that they removed class skills, so in order to level up you must increase any combination of skills ten times.

Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.

Anyway, in short:

They made the mechanics even less complicated (compared to, for example, Morrowind) to cater to the vast sea of utter f*cking morans that play on consoles and need something more like CoD and less like an actual RPG. Oh, and who have to play on sh*tty little controllers, instead of a mouse/keyboard, making the game even less interesting and harder to control.

Really, I like Skyrim, but it's really goddamn sad to think what it might have been if not for goddamn console gamers.


Actually, they just wanted to sell fark tons of copies of the game. A lot of RPG's are doing that kind of thing these days - make it more friendly for people who would otherwise never play an RPG.

The problem is people who hate RPG's still won't buy it. It's kind of like how they are dumbing down shooters to appeal to people who hate shooters. It makes no sense, and generally ruins the fun of fiddling about with stats and being a huge nerd.
 
2012-12-04 08:44:47 PM  

Sid_6.7:
Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.



That's ... actually what I didn't like about Oblivion. Not my leveling, but the fact that enemies followed mine. A proper RPG should involve the human player simply not being able to go certain places, or defeat certain enemies at all, until they gain skill.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:55 PM  

CygnusDarius: Give a leveling system in a game that works.


I don't think I can. Honestly, I give almost everything a nudge with a game save editor. I'm still waiting for a game save editor for Skyrim before I play it again.

(I am aware that PC players can edit consoles saves, but I'd rather do it myself.)
 
2012-12-04 08:49:08 PM  
Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).
 
2012-12-04 08:51:46 PM  
The Ebony Warrior? So, basically, the Black Knight? What's he going to do, bite my legs off?
 
2012-12-04 08:54:29 PM  
Is it a PS3? So far no one at Bethesda's found a way to conquer one of those...
 
2012-12-04 08:56:40 PM  

kmmontandon: Sid_6.7:
Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.



That's ... actually what I didn't like about Oblivion. Not my leveling, but the fact that enemies followed mine. A proper RPG should involve the human player simply not being able to go certain places, or defeat certain enemies at all, until they gain skill.


My major gripe about auto-leveling is when the majority of my damage comes from Equipment, and not leveling.

Take Fallout: New Vegas.

Me at Level 14: Ballistic Fist, 100 Unarmed.

Me at Level 45: Ballistic Fist, 100 Unarmed.

If there had been auto-leveling (like the DLC's), I would have been utterly boned. Instead of a decent, continuous challenge curve, the game would have been ridiculously hard for the last third or so because there's no real way to make me better beyond that point.
 
2012-12-04 08:58:40 PM  

CygnusDarius: Marine1: This reminds me: Bethesda really should commission Manowar to write and perform a companion soundtrack for certain quests.

There are folks who think that you can do better than listening to Manowar while playing Skyrim. Those people are what we call "wrong".

/also in need of commissioning: competent software engineers.

Just Manowar? I'd add either Amon Amarth or Tyr to the mix, but Manowar is a solid set.


Depends. Amon Amarth and Tyr would have to gain more experience performing songs about killing with steel.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:53 PM  

Marine1: CygnusDarius: Marine1: This reminds me: Bethesda really should commission Manowar to write and perform a companion soundtrack for certain quests.

There are folks who think that you can do better than listening to Manowar while playing Skyrim. Those people are what we call "wrong".

/also in need of commissioning: competent software engineers.

Just Manowar? I'd add either Amon Amarth or Tyr to the mix, but Manowar is a solid set.

Depends. Amon Amarth and Tyr would have to gain more experience performing songs about killing with steel.


Maybe Tyr, but Amon Amarth has some experience in steel.

They also make mead, so there.
 
2012-12-04 09:14:02 PM  

kmmontandon: Sid_6.7:
Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.



That's ... actually what I didn't like about Oblivion. Not my leveling, but the fact that enemies followed mine. A proper RPG should involve the human player simply not being able to go certain places, or defeat certain enemies at all, until they gain skill.


Similarly, if a player is willing to grind enough they should be able to enter those areas and crush enemies like a living god.

Running into random street thugs wearing glass and ebony armor just never made any sense. Why do they need to mug me when their armor is worth more than a small town?
 
2012-12-04 09:14:44 PM  
If I get a machine that can run it, I might have to try this. Never played PC games other than Diablo II, WoW, and Portal.
 
2012-12-04 09:21:23 PM  

kmmontandon: Sid_6.7:
Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.



That's ... actually what I didn't like about Oblivion. Not my leveling, but the fact that enemies followed mine. A proper RPG should involve the human player simply not being able to go certain places, or defeat certain enemies at all, until they gain skill.


I have this problem with most modern RPG games, the damn co-leveling of the monsters. Why the fark should I have trouble killing wolves after the first few levels? This is one of the things I miss about pallet swaps. At least in Baldurs Gate you go from wolf -> dire wolf -> winter wolf which at the very least gives you a reason why the critters are stronger than the ones you met somewhere else.

Being swarmed by a shiatload of wolves should not be a problem after you killed a dragon. Period.

The pitchfork wielding mob should be easier to disperse if I become stronger, not harder.

/Like the army you cut through in BG2 just because they had the audacity to try and arrest you.
 
2012-12-04 09:26:05 PM  
It's kind of funny how in the original Skyrim, Alduin is one of the easiest bosses, ranking at about one third the difficulty of the average random mage boss.
 
2012-12-04 09:26:40 PM  
i296.photobucket.com

Enderbrine?

/shudders
 
2012-12-04 09:32:15 PM  

Marine1: CygnusDarius: Marine1: This reminds me: Bethesda really should commission Manowar to write and perform a companion soundtrack for certain quests.

There are folks who think that you can do better than listening to Manowar while playing Skyrim. Those people are what we call "wrong".

/also in need of commissioning: competent software engineers.

Just Manowar? I'd add either Amon Amarth or Tyr to the mix, but Manowar is a solid set.

Depends. Amon Amarth and Tyr would have to gain more experience performing songs about killing with steel.


No love for Hammerfall?
 
2012-12-04 09:33:03 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Actually the ones that really got my goat were the dragon-priests, at least until I could double enchant all my gear to be resistant to everything simultaneously.


Jesus, I never will forget the day I derped my way into Krosis on my Breton illusion/conjuration mage. Two hours I fought that SOB, and I only won after a dragon had swooped down, got nailed by a fireball, turned on the bastard, and weakened him to the point I could pop Dragonskin and bum rush him with Shock.

I had never been happier to see a dragon in the entire game. After that I went straight to Winterhold and did not leave until I was able to dual summon dremora lords.
 
2012-12-04 09:46:04 PM  

CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).


I am a live-and-let-live guy. Hell, for all intents and purposes, I'm a modern hippie. Ponytail, Prius, I'm that guy.

Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.

I find that interesting.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:02 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: MBK: Meanwhile I died 15 times on Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls.

So far...100 times this playthrough. WOO WOO!

Just 15 times? I've been trying to beat them for a couple weeks, and I've only gotten close once (one F*CKING hit away!) For the moment I've given up on them and am hanging around in the Valley of Drakes.


Having beaten them twice, after much pain, confusion, and sobbing, here's my tips:

Unlike almost any other battle in the game, summoning a buddy to help out REALLY makes this easier. If you can get the both of them to concentrate on your buddy, you can usually pull Ornstein away and hack him to bits.

Then, when Smough powers up, you have to roll and generally run around like a farking nut until he pauses for a second, at which point you better have some pyro stuff equipped. Pour it on and be prepared to run like hell when he starts moving again.

If your little ally manages to survive his initial onslaught, and he's still around for the Smough one-on-one, he will help keep the fat farker at bay while you hit him with pyro magic.

I first approached them when I was at level 35 or 40, I think, and promptly got my ass handed to me. I basically went to the Painted World of Aramias and just kept clearing it out and going back to the beginning and saving. I think I spent a few days doing that. Eventually, I saved up enough souls to boost my levels to the upper 60s and also to buy assloads of pyro magic.

/still took me several tries to beat them
 
2012-12-04 09:47:18 PM  

Glitchwerks: Use the Oghma Infinium exploit if it's that much of a hassle for you to level.


Nah, I've beaten all the assorted questlines and the game was getting played out for me anyway.

Great game, I just don't have as much interest in replaying it as others do.
 
2012-12-04 09:48:12 PM  
Call me when they put spellcrafting back in the game.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:11 PM  

that bosnian sniper: BumpInTheNight: Actually the ones that really got my goat were the dragon-priests, at least until I could double enchant all my gear to be resistant to everything simultaneously.

Jesus, I never will forget the day I derped my way into Krosis on my Breton illusion/conjuration mage. Two hours I fought that SOB, and I only won after a dragon had swooped down, got nailed by a fireball, turned on the bastard, and weakened him to the point I could pop Dragonskin and bum rush him with Shock.

I had never been happier to see a dragon in the entire game. After that I went straight to Winterhold and did not leave until I was able to dual summon dremora lords.


Krosis killed me so many times. I hate that bastard.
 
2012-12-04 10:12:50 PM  

Gonz: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

I am a live-and-let-live guy. Hell, for all intents and purposes, I'm a modern hippie. Ponytail, Prius, I'm that guy.

Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.

I find that interesting
.


THIS
 
2012-12-04 10:16:25 PM  

meat0918: that bosnian sniper: BumpInTheNight: Actually the ones that really got my goat were the dragon-priests, at least until I could double enchant all my gear to be resistant to everything simultaneously.

Jesus, I never will forget the day I derped my way into Krosis on my Breton illusion/conjuration mage. Two hours I fought that SOB, and I only won after a dragon had swooped down, got nailed by a fireball, turned on the bastard, and weakened him to the point I could pop Dragonskin and bum rush him with Shock.

I had never been happier to see a dragon in the entire game. After that I went straight to Winterhold and did not leave until I was able to dual summon dremora lords.

Krosis killed me so many times. I hate that bastard.


Strangely Krosis wasn't very hard for me, now that asshole Rahgot on the other hand..... Jeebus just getting to him was a farking chore.
 
2012-12-04 10:17:16 PM  

Gonz: Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.


I have a trophy room full of mannequins wearing the Hooded Thalmor robes of those I've killed. I may start collecting their heads, but I need to brush up on decapitations. Usually all that's left is an ash pile.
 
2012-12-04 10:17:21 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: I liked the shadow-version of yourself you had to fight in the Shivering Isles expansion of Oblivion. That was a super tough boss (since it's you, +5 or 10 levels I think), and he drops some seriously badass jet black weapons once you finally kill him.


Seriously, that is my favorite part of that game.
 
2012-12-04 10:17:31 PM  

Gonz: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

I am a live-and-let-live guy. Hell, for all intents and purposes, I'm a modern hippie. Ponytail, Prius, I'm that guy.

Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.

I find that interesting.


To be fair, the Thalmor are rather prideful dicks.
 
2012-12-04 10:19:03 PM  
I love Skyrim's story and gameplay, but damn were Alduin and the ending total letdowns...

The dragon priests were several times more difficult and the ending itself was almost non-existent. A couple people cheer, you get some kind words from Paarthurnax, and that's it. Return to the world at large - the one you've just saved - and no one could care less. It had all the drama of putting on your socks.
 
2012-12-04 10:19:52 PM  

Teufelaffe: Call me when they put spellcrafting back in the game.


It's called the construction kit (only half joking). The first thing I did after playing through as a mage and seeing how dismal it was was to retool the entire magic system. I added cross skill synergies (e.g. Destruction core perks increase overall spell potency, Alteration spell perks increase all spell durations), added spell scaling with skill level so that flames always remains a viable option as opposed to hitting like a wet noodle even though you might be a master of destruction spells and then added in some more defensive spells like a health regen that gradually heals you like the old necromancer's amulet did in Morrowind.

The next thing I wanted to do was retool the armor system to a logarithmic scaling system instead of the flat cap, but the editor doesn't go that far and I have no idea how to go about doing it.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:39 PM  
CygnusDarius:Give a leveling system in a game that works.

Many Roguelikes do well.
 
2012-12-04 10:22:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Ed Finnerty: A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?

The most evil farking bug ever created for video games. If you didn't have VATS points, you were pretty much screwed.


I actually got pretty good at it, to the point that I could level up a few times around Goodsprings, crank my "Explosives" skill up, and make it directly to New Vegas via the North path.

Cripple their wings and they're horribly slow. A couple small deathclaws in the area, but you cripple their legs with a couple grenade rounds and they're slow too. Pot shots to finish them or just continue on. I've still gotta move fast, lest they swarm me from all directions, but I've done it.
 
2012-12-04 10:24:37 PM  
Hm, interesting. Still, with sexed-up gear from alchemy/enchanting exploits, I wonder if this mystery warrior will manage to be a challenge. But what else is in the upcoming add-on? Please not more The Sims: Skyrim Edition.

With the Dawnguard add-on, I was very disappointed with the vampires in the Dawnguard add-on -- the volikar form is powerful, but SLOWER THAN MORROWIND WALKING SPEED.

Werewolves actually got better, and I've had fun with my Nord warrior/werewolf that I try playing realistic -- go wolf, don't put back on the quality gear, and try to fight on with whatever I find on the corpses when I'm out of wolftime or forced to change back for mission purposes. Did that on the Volikar final boss in Dawnguard, lost wolf form just as I hit the vampire for the death blow. I wished Isran would've said when he bursts through the door ... "Congrats for putting down the evil vampire. BTW, what was all that howling? And why are you naked?"

/also, gotta agree -- dragon priests, the original volikar vamps in Skyrim (ran into one in the wilds before the add-on) and the occasional ebony-geared Draugr boss were far tougher than 99% of the dragons.
 
2012-12-04 10:25:26 PM  

Saturn5: Gonz: Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.

I have a trophy room full of mannequins wearing the Hooded Thalmor robes of those I've killed. I may start collecting their heads, but I need to brush up on decapitations. Usually all that's left is an ash pile.


I enjoy playing an Altmer and ambushing Thalmor patrols. It makes me feel simultaneously like a hero and a master troll.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:07 PM  

Saturn5: Gonz: Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.

I have a trophy room full of mannequins wearing the Hooded Thalmor robes of those I've killed. I may start collecting their heads, but I need to brush up on decapitations. Usually all that's left is an ash pile.


My favorite moment in the game came just after I had finished ransacking the Thalmor prison to rescue that dude from Windhelm. As I was heading down the road one of those trios showed up and attacked me on sight. After I dealt with them I found one was carrying a note describing how I had done great damage to the Thalmor cause and was to be killed on sight. It gave me just a little hint of pride knowing that I had made those bastards hate and fear me.
 
2012-12-04 10:26:32 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: Gonz: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

I am a live-and-let-live guy. Hell, for all intents and purposes, I'm a modern hippie. Ponytail, Prius, I'm that guy.

Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.

I find that interesting.

To be fair, the Thalmor are rather prideful dicks.


I take the Warhammer 40K human approach to all Elves: Not human = DIE. Uppity f--ks anyway.

/dwarves can live though. They're cool.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:31 PM  

avalanche: Wait, even tougher thanthis farker?


I hate that guy. Kicked my ass completely the first time.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:55 PM  

Wayne 985: I love Skyrim's story and gameplay, but damn were Alduin and the ending total letdowns...

The dragon priests were several times more difficult and the ending itself was almost non-existent. A couple people cheer, you get some kind words from Paarthurnax, and that's it. Return to the world at large - the one you've just saved - and no one could care less. It had all the drama of putting on your socks.


That was my feel too. I know they structured it so you could complete that "main" quest at any time, but in practice it just didn't feel important enough for it to be that big a deal. I left it until I'd finished all the other questlines, and finally just thought "you know, I expected more."

There was more hoopla when I finished the Mage College questline.
 
2012-12-04 10:32:49 PM  
BTW, on New Vegas Cazadores ...

I took the Laser Commander and energy weapons perk where crit hits and kills would cause plasma explosions. Use an upgraded tri-beam, laser RCW or gatling laser, the superwasps weren't much of a problem -- at a distance from the blasts, of course.

Doing the Old World Blues add-on early also helps in getting "free" anti-cazador perks.
 
2012-12-04 10:35:58 PM  

Lettuce: Much better than Blizzard's idea for Diablo 3:

- Can't use anything halfway decent until level 60
- Once you reach level 60, nothing to do except play the same campaign you literally just played four times
- Solution: Level up 100 more times by playing the same campaign you literally just played five times


I have a friend who still obsesses over it. I don't understand at all.
 
2012-12-04 10:36:16 PM  

akula: Wayne 985: I love Skyrim's story and gameplay, but damn were Alduin and the ending total letdowns...

The dragon priests were several times more difficult and the ending itself was almost non-existent. A couple people cheer, you get some kind words from Paarthurnax, and that's it. Return to the world at large - the one you've just saved - and no one could care less. It had all the drama of putting on your socks.

That was my feel too. I know they structured it so you could complete that "main" quest at any time, but in practice it just didn't feel important enough for it to be that big a deal. I left it until I'd finished all the other questlines, and finally just thought "you know, I expected more."

There was more hoopla when I finished the Mage College questline.


Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines were the best. And better than the main story.

The side quests are better than the main quest is old hat for Bethesda games. The curse of The Elder Scrolls series and Fallout 3.
 
2012-12-04 10:41:08 PM  

neuroflare: Lettuce: Much better than Blizzard's idea for Diablo 3:

- Can't use anything halfway decent until level 60
- Once you reach level 60, nothing to do except play the same campaign you literally just played four times
- Solution: Level up 100 more times by playing the same campaign you literally just played five times

I have a friend who still obsesses over it. I don't understand at all.


I play it when I just want a quick game but don't want to get sucked into Skyrim or my new obsession SWTOR FTP(the restrictions are harsh, but it's free). Drop in, do Siegebreaker, leave.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:06 PM  
The Ebony Warrior sounds like the name of a dildo.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:44 PM  

Practical_Draconian: akula: That was my feel too. I know they structured it so you could complete that "main" quest at any time, but in practice it just didn't feel important enough for it to be that big a deal. I left it until I'd finished all the other questlines, and finally just thought "you know, I expected more."

There was more hoopla when I finished the Mage College questline.

Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines were the best. And better than the main story.

The side quests are better than the main quest is old hat for Bethesda games. The curse of The Elder Scrolls series and Fallout 3.


You know... God knows why, but I just realized I've never actually beaten the Mage or Thieves guild quests. I need to get on that. I just beat Hitman: Absolution for the second time, so I've been wondering what else to play anyway.

Dark Brotherhood was amazing though. Assassinating the Emperor, who was surprisingly likeable, was indeed dramatic and well done. The Civil War is fun too, although not nearly as suspenseful or tense.
 
2012-12-04 10:43:39 PM  

Practical_Draconian: akula: Wayne 985: I love Skyrim's story and gameplay, but damn were Alduin and the ending total letdowns...

The dragon priests were several times more difficult and the ending itself was almost non-existent. A couple people cheer, you get some kind words from Paarthurnax, and that's it. Return to the world at large - the one you've just saved - and no one could care less. It had all the drama of putting on your socks.

That was my feel too. I know they structured it so you could complete that "main" quest at any time, but in practice it just didn't feel important enough for it to be that big a deal. I left it until I'd finished all the other questlines, and finally just thought "you know, I expected more."

There was more hoopla when I finished the Mage College questline.

Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines were the best. And better than the main story.

The side quests are better than the main quest is old hat for Bethesda games. The curse of The Elder Scrolls series and Fallout 3.


I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for.
 
2012-12-04 10:43:48 PM  

avalanche: Wait, even tougher thanthis farker?


Came for gaenor leaving satisfied. :tips hat:
 
2012-12-04 10:51:10 PM  

meat0918: I play it when I just want a quick game but don't want to get sucked into Skyrim or my new obsession SWTOR FTP(the restrictions are harsh, but it's free). Drop in, do Siegebreaker, leave.


Yeah I was playing F2P for a while as well, I'm a little disappointed about how nobbled the game makes you. Although I do realize I'm getting a quality MMO. At least, I enjoyed the beta and what I've played so far.
 
2012-12-04 10:58:35 PM  
Can anyone really explain the Skyrim/etc. thing to me? I've never really gotten it. I loved F3 and F:NV, but the Elder Scrolls games have always been very boring and uninteresting to me. I've tried them. Skyrim was Ok, a lot better than Morrowind and Oblivion, but I could barely sink 20-30 hours into it, let alone do the 100% everything thing. And it's on PC.
 
2012-12-04 11:06:48 PM  

Flappyhead: Yeah Gearbox said the same thing about Terramorphis. When that didn't pan out they just made the next two retardedly cheap and are about to nerf the Bee just to make them even harder. Hope Bethesda makes it an actual challenge instead of 9999 HP and one hit kills.


Holy crap this. I'm at the last boss in the Torque DLC and have practically given up. I started at 2.4 million dollars and burned through 1.4 in respawns and ammo to not get it past 75% health. That thing is ridiculous.
 
2012-12-04 11:08:07 PM  

CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).


and vice versa, more political options.
Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.
 
2012-12-04 11:15:36 PM  

HalEmmerich: Flappyhead: Yeah Gearbox said the same thing about Terramorphis. When that didn't pan out they just made the next two retardedly cheap and are about to nerf the Bee just to make them even harder. Hope Bethesda makes it an actual challenge instead of 9999 HP and one hit kills.

Holy crap this. I'm at the last boss in the Torque DLC and have practically given up. I started at 2.4 million dollars and burned through 1.4 in respawns and ammo to not get it past 75% health. That thing is ridiculous.


You mean Pyro Pete? He's best fought in a group. Honestly I think he's more fair than Hyperius or Gee because at least you can douse yourself with the water pipes to stop the acid and fire effects and his blasts have limited range. Hype and that farking shock nova blast on the other hand, godDAMMIT.
 
2012-12-04 11:19:46 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: avalanche: Wait, even tougher thanthis farker?

Came here looking for this, glad someone beat me to it.

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

i.imgur.com

Cazadors weren't half as bad as Cliffracers. Sure, that was a different kind of "bad", but still.


Unfortunately there is no St. Jiub for New Vegas.
 
2012-12-04 11:24:15 PM  

StrangeQ:

I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for.


I killed all three of them. Glad to see the programmers added a line if you thought of taking that option.

You can also kill the Dark Brotherhood recruiter, which starts a quest line to kill all of them except ...

As for future Tamriel adventures, I'd like to see the next one set in the Khajiit homelands. The latter could be a way to unseat the Thalmor from that land, and have plenty of criminial weirdness with the cat folks -- Elsweyr sounds like a mix of Colombian drug plantations, ancient temples (picturing Angkor Wat with cat faces) and slum megacities straight out of Calcutta and Rio de Janeiro. Throw in some ancient Elven and Dwarf ruins and decrepit Imperial forts in the deserts and jungles ...

Course we could just go for the jugular and go to the Altmer capital island for the next go around.
 
2012-12-04 11:40:11 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Course we could just go for the jugular and go to the Altmer capital island for the next go around.


I like this option. Secret agent for the empire -- first mission is to make contact with your handler, some guy called Caius Cosades. It'll be like Morrowind, but with even more local hostility.
 
2012-12-04 11:40:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

[i.imgur.com image 850x509]

My solution is as follows...

1.- Jet (Hoorray! You're addicted!... Again!)
2.- VATs
3.- Plasma Grenades
4.- Pray it works.


They were a farking nightmare for my stealth melee character. I had to slam one of everything in my chems menu, lob a grenade for a good chunk of surprise attack damage, then close the gap as quickly as possible. After that, it's all Knock-Knock, VATS, and hope that the Mauler attack keeps the Cazador out of stinging range. If there's more than three, things tend to go south.

/My first run in with the Giant Cazadores in Honest Hearts was probably the most trouser-browning moment I've had in a Fallout game
 
2012-12-04 11:42:49 PM  

Virtuoso80: The Ebony Warrior sounds like the name of a dildo.


Lexington Steel is already suing for trademark infringement.
 
2012-12-04 11:50:26 PM  

Teufelaffe: Call me when they put spellcrafting back in the game.


I have no idea why anyone would want to bring back that broken POS. Fark that.
 
2012-12-04 11:57:08 PM  

James!: They made expansions for Skyrim? I did not know.


Sadly, Skyrim is the first game in a very long time where I just don't care about any DLC for the game. Gorgeous to look at, but there's just something missing in it that keeps me from caring about a second playthrough.
 
2012-12-05 12:07:27 AM  

DerAppie: /Like the army you cut through in BG2 just because they had the audacity to try and arrest you.


I believe that you are referring to the expansion. Which was literally EPIC.

My wife and I both believe that BG2 w/ the ToB expansion are still some of the best RPG games ever made.

Granted, she never played FO or FO2, or the sequels, but she definitely likes BG and BG2.

kroonermanblack: Can anyone really explain the Skyrim/etc. thing to me? I've never really gotten it. I loved F3 and F:NV, but the Elder Scrolls games have always been very boring and uninteresting to me. I've tried them. Skyrim was Ok, a lot better than Morrowind and Oblivion, but I could barely sink 20-30 hours into it, let alone do the 100% everything thing. And it's on PC.


DIAF. Morrowind is still the best TES game BY FAR. It had the most engaging and interesting storyline, the best NPC's and faction (the Telvanni! Imperial Museum! Look, a captured Imperial held as part of a museum!).

Sure, the AI and graphics were better with Oblivion and Skyrim, but they both lack the depth, story, and more original setting.
 
2012-12-05 12:10:21 AM  

Practical_Draconian:


Course we could just go for the jugular and go to the Altmer capital island for the next go around.


Have Talos appear and knock over a few buildings while yelling "Remember me biatches?!"
 
2012-12-05 12:16:03 AM  
Sure, we could introduce interesting mechanics to add challenge, but nah. Just have this nigh-invincible enemy instead.
 
2012-12-05 12:24:58 AM  
Hogger?
 
2012-12-05 01:05:15 AM  
 
2012-12-05 02:14:07 AM  

StrangeQ: I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for.


I did the same my first time. Sadly, the "Wipe Out the Dark Brotherhood" questline is a little shallow.

Sid_6.7: Morrowind is still the best TES game BY FAR. It had the most engaging and interesting storyline, the best NPC's and faction (the Telvanni! Imperial Museum! Look, a captured Imperial held as part of a museum!).

Sure, the AI and graphics were better with Oblivion and Skyrim, but they both lack the depth, story, and more original setting.


Agreed. Gameplay wasn't great in comparison, but the story in Morrowind is still among the best I've ever encountered in a game.
 
2012-12-05 02:30:48 AM  

Flappyhead: Hope Bethesda makes it an actual challenge instead of 9999 HP and one hit kills.


Unfortunately, that's most likely the tact they'll take. That's pretty much what "uber boss" means nowadays: That One Boss that caters to the munchkin crowd, who crunch numbers and brute force their way through anything because god forbid they be forced to think. I shudder at the thought.

You know, the guys who say destruction sucks in Skyrim.

Because otherwise, they'd muck around until managing to smear the boss with one LAWL ARROWZ from the HAX CANNON! then proceed to go to forums everywhere to spam "OMGWTX BETH U SAID DIS WUD BE UBAR BOSS I ONE SHOT NOOB THIS GAME SUX". That's just the state of gaming right now, where a stupid ass tank and spank attrition fight that allows the player to wave their e-peen is "OMG SO EPIC GR8ST FITE EVAR".
 
2012-12-05 02:39:35 AM  

naughtyrev: I'm guessing this guy won't be so tough on a PC with mods that let you get all skill trees and craft some crazy stuff.

I'm gonna kite him to the top of the 5,000 stairs and fus-ro-dah him right off for sport.


He's immune to falling damage. So that'll be a waste of time. Oh, and he also has his own Fus Ro Dah, and he's been blowing players off the mountains they dared to try.

So, my bad. Doing this won't be a waste of time, it'll be farking hilarious! WHEE!
 
2012-12-05 02:44:51 AM  

James!: They made expansions for Skyrim? I did not know.


probably a fellow ps3 user... :(
 
2012-12-05 03:47:52 AM  

Nadie_AZ: In honor of those lethal bastards....

[i.imgur.com image 850x509]


i.imgur.com

Laughs at the cazador.
 
2012-12-05 04:33:18 AM  

Sid_6.7: kmmontandon: Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.


It's quite similar, except that they removed class skills, so in order to level up you must increase any combination of skills ten times.

Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.

Anyway, in short:

They made the mechanics even less complicated (compared to, for example, Morrowind) to cater to the vast sea of utter f*cking morans that play on consoles and need something more like CoD and less like an actual RPG. Oh, and who have to play on sh*tty little controllers, instead of a mouse/keyboard, making the game even less interesting and harder to control.

Really, I like Skyrim, but it's really goddamn sad to think what it might have been if not for goddamn console gamers.


Wow, you're an idiot.

Skyrim isn't the first ES game on consoles, everyone complained about levelling in Oblivion (although I was fairly fond of it since maxing a character actually took work), people praised Fallout's system, so it was pretty logical.

It has absolutely nothing to do with console gamers, so stuff it.

Additionally, you bemoan the state of Skyrim's system yet proffer a lame method for avoiding Oblivion's and make the game too easy. That sounds like a perfectly good reason for overhauling the levelling system in the first place.

Oh, and grow a pair and learn how to use a controller. KB & mouse is kiddie mode.
 
2012-12-05 04:53:00 AM  
How much is Neverwinter Nights 2 compared to Skyrim? Been looking for a replacement for NWN2 for some time and this sounds like it might be close.
 
2012-12-05 05:01:09 AM  

NaziKamikaze: Oh, and grow a pair and learn how to use a controller. KB & mouse is kiddie mode.


Yeh, why have silk when you can have cotton? It's better to needlessly hamper yourself. Like when winter comes around, don't wear winter clothes, stick to shorts and t-shirts from summer, anything else is for wimps, right?

Foolass. You have one method of control that is absolutely perfect, and one that isn't, and you think choosing the one that isn't makes you better somehow? You need to grow more than merely a pair.
 
2012-12-05 05:08:41 AM  

RabidJade: How much is Neverwinter Nights 2 compared to Skyrim? Been looking for a replacement for NWN2 for some time and this sounds like it might be close.

Dragon Age: Origins is probably the closest your going to come to that as far as recent games go, although I'd be glad to hear about other similar games I may have missed. Skyrim really isn't a similar experience at all, though it's pretty good.
 
2012-12-05 06:15:58 AM  

Slaxl: NaziKamikaze: Oh, and grow a pair and learn how to use a controller. KB & mouse is kiddie mode.

Yeh, why have silk when you can have cotton? It's better to needlessly hamper yourself. Like when winter comes around, don't wear winter clothes, stick to shorts and t-shirts from summer, anything else is for wimps, right?

Foolass. You have one method of control that is absolutely perfect, and one that isn't, and you think choosing the one that isn't makes you better somehow? You need to grow more than merely a pair.


Another moron.

Look, I don't care how you play, but there is nothing wrong with current controllers. Just because *you* don't have the ability to use one proficiently doesn't mean gaming is ruined as a whole.

I haven't had a gaming pc in probably 8 years. I have no reason to change that. But if you're telling me that controllers are unusuable and actually hurt the development in games, I'm going to call out your stupidity.

FFS, Skyrim isn't even that demanding in the controls department. Maybe if you were playing a game that actually took dexterity and pushed the control scheme to the limits, then maybe you'd be right.

But you're not. It's a single-player RPG with a sleek design and simple controls.
 
2012-12-05 06:37:59 AM  

avalanche: Wait, even tougher thanthis farker?


He has a helmet smaller than his head?
 
2012-12-05 07:05:03 AM  

that bosnian sniper:
You know, the guys who say destruction sucks in Skyrim.


Dude....destruction sucks in Skyrim. Especially on Master. Hell, the whole magic system is rather weak.
 
2012-12-05 07:06:20 AM  

NaziKamikaze: Slaxl: NaziKamikaze: Oh, and grow a pair and learn how to use a controller. KB & mouse is kiddie mode.

Yeh, why have silk when you can have cotton? It's better to needlessly hamper yourself. Like when winter comes around, don't wear winter clothes, stick to shorts and t-shirts from summer, anything else is for wimps, right?

Foolass. You have one method of control that is absolutely perfect, and one that isn't, and you think choosing the one that isn't makes you better somehow? You need to grow more than merely a pair.

Another moron.

Look, I don't care how you play, but there is nothing wrong with current controllers. Just because *you* don't have the ability to use one proficiently doesn't mean gaming is ruined as a whole.

I haven't had a gaming pc in probably 8 years. I have no reason to change that. But if you're telling me that controllers are unusuable and actually hurt the development in games, I'm going to call out your stupidity.

FFS, Skyrim isn't even that demanding in the controls department. Maybe if you were playing a game that actually took dexterity and pushed the control scheme to the limits, then maybe you'd be right.

But you're not. It's a single-player RPG with a sleek design and simple controls.


You idiot, I have a farking PS3, I play it on a PS3, but there's no denying the fact that a mouse and keyboard offers much better control. Though I made no such claim that it hurts development of games.
 
2012-12-05 07:52:06 AM  

Bippal: MBK: Meanwhile I died 15 times on Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls.

So far...100 times this playthrough. WOO WOO!

My buddy watched me get them first try, on my first toon, but it was mostly based on my characters set up. Pyro is a beautiful thing. But Capra demon was a 20 try affair, he killed me after peaking my head in the door every time without fail. Then my sorcerer killed the first few bosses without putting his catalyst down and laughed. But then smough tore me a new one about fifty times until a few sunbros came to the rescue. God I love that game.


Smough and his buddy are one of the strategy-changers, because it's the first fight where the attacks that can't be blocked aren't really telegraphed, and block itself has limited effect, completely changing the relative value of your defenses. The reliance on dodge turns the movement components of all the horizontal attacks, pretty much your worst enemy on a lot of the other bosses and levels, into your best friend (but only so long as you can control them).

That and if you're full-on pyro you get to actually use it to set everything on fire and it actually works the way you've always wanted it to for once, i.e. huge damage, everyone dies.

Basically, before the city you could sort of develop a strategy and carry most of it with you from fight to fight. Smough, one way or another, signals the point where you have to actually develop a completely new cunning plan for every major encounter.

//By the way, I'm laughing at all you guys that apparently had problems with cazadors. Then, my go-to solution to basically everything was explosives of various kinds so one thing ended up being much like another even on hard modes as far as splashing its squiggly bits over the hillside. Though it took me a while to figure out that I could target a grenade at the legs of a goddamned deathclaw specifically.
 
2012-12-05 08:12:04 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Bippal: MBK: Meanwhile I died 15 times on Ornstein and Smough in Dark Souls.

So far...100 times this playthrough. WOO WOO!

My buddy watched me get them first try, on my first toon, but it was mostly based on my characters set up. Pyro is a beautiful thing. But Capra demon was a 20 try affair, he killed me after peaking my head in the door every time without fail. Then my sorcerer killed the first few bosses without putting his catalyst down and laughed. But then smough tore me a new one about fifty times until a few sunbros came to the rescue. God I love that game.

Smough and his buddy are one of the strategy-changers, because it's the first fight where the attacks that can't be blocked aren't really telegraphed, and block itself has limited effect, completely changing the relative value of your defenses. The reliance on dodge turns the movement components of all the horizontal attacks, pretty much your worst enemy on a lot of the other bosses and levels, into your best friend (but only so long as you can control them).

That and if you're full-on pyro you get to actually use it to set everything on fire and it actually works the way you've always wanted it to for once, i.e. huge damage, everyone dies.

Basically, before the city you could sort of develop a strategy and carry most of it with you from fight to fight. Smough, one way or another, signals the point where you have to actually develop a completely new cunning plan for every major encounter.

//By the way, I'm laughing at all you guys that apparently had problems with cazadors. Then, my go-to solution to basically everything was explosives of various kinds so one thing ended up being much like another even on hard modes as far as splashing its squiggly bits over the hillside. Though it took me a while to figure out that I could target a grenade at the legs of a goddamned deathclaw specifically.


I think what helped me was playing demon souls as a one hit kills me magic and bow dodging type. So my first character on the new game was a pyro, with a +10 fire long sword with all light armor. Same idea very little blocking just dodge , fire and stabbing. I see a lot of strategies online that require blocking. So when I made a new character I saw how some bosses that made me want to smash my face into a brick wall became easy and etc. but those too are def evil bastards. And that capra batard. I wanted to use the Lightning spear spells and be a sunbro and made a cleric type and that character was the most fun I have had in that game so far, using the spear from the fight we are taking about.
 
2012-12-05 08:14:01 AM  
XBOX 360 user here. level 61 (almost at 62) love the game. I did not play any of the previous Elder Scrolls titles. I tried Obvilion after skyrim and thougt it was boring as heck. The new DLC is fun. I love visiting new places. I know I sound like a total N00B (which I am I'll admit) I play games for fun and enjoyment I dont give a shiat about leveling systems, or mods, hell I just learned how to power attack with a sword side to side instead up up and down last night. Games should be played for fun. So what I guess I'm saying is.

LIGHTEN UP, FRANCIS!!

//lol just kidding.
///Play on gamers! Play on!!
 
2012-12-05 08:19:41 AM  
Do you still beat him by running up to him and hitting R1, then running back until he swings at the air, and then running up to him and hitting R1 again until he dies?

/Oblivion sucked
//Didn't even buy this game
 
2012-12-05 08:24:07 AM  

StrangeQ: I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for.


The first time I tried that, I had dual fireballs set and accidentally killed all three of the hostages along with what's- her-face. Second time, I FUS-RO-DAH'd her into the wall before she finished talking, switched to Lignthing bolts, and went all Emperor on her. Kidnap the Archmage of the College of Winterhold? I don't think so. I think I'm going to erase your stupid little club off of the face of Nirn. How do you like them apples(4)?

I'm semi-roleplaying in my head. A generally nice, if slightly befuddled Breton with amnesia, who suddenly discovers magic! I'm law-abiding, and beloved by all, unless you take a swing at me. At which point the chain lightning comes out, and all hell breaks loose.
 
2012-12-05 08:54:03 AM  

PirateKing: StrangeQ: I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for.

The first time I tried that, I had dual fireballs set and accidentally killed all three of the hostages along with what's- her-face. Second time, I FUS-RO-DAH'd her into the wall before she finished talking, switched to Lignthing bolts, and went all Emperor on her. Kidnap the Archmage of the College of Winterhold? I don't think so. I think I'm going to erase your stupid little club off of the face of Nirn. How do you like them apples(4)?

I'm semi-roleplaying in my head. A generally nice, if slightly befuddled Breton with amnesia, who suddenly discovers magic! I'm law-abiding, and beloved by all, unless you take a swing at me. At which point the chain lightning comes out, and all hell breaks loose.


My main skyrim character is a female barbarian. She carries 'Iceheart' a frost enchanted daedric battleaxe. about 90% of the time my combat mechanic is;

see enemy
sprint towards enemy
hold attack button to kill in one hit
repeat as needed
 
2012-12-05 08:57:33 AM  
Hludowig the Assassin/Theif/General Nogoodnik is at Level 75.

BRING IT.

According to a thread at the Bethesda forums, the Ebony Warrior is an extreme B.A. who tracks you down if you've hit level 81

Well, shiat.
 
2012-12-05 08:59:03 AM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Teufelaffe: Call me when they put spellcrafting back in the game.

I have no idea why anyone would want to bring back that broken POS. Fark that.


You're right, why would we want to bring back one of the defining elements of the game series since the very first one (Arena)? Why bring back a feature that made your mage-types feel like actual mages who study and create magic instead of just another generic, cookie-cutter fireball/lightning bolt slinger?

What I wanted from Skyrim was another great epic Elder Scrolls game from Bethesda. What I got was a watered-down, "we'll make everything simpler because we think our user-base consists of toddlers and morons" game from Bethesda with the weakest main story-line (and ending!) yet in the series.
 
2012-12-05 09:00:30 AM  

NaziKamikaze: Look, I don't care how you play, but there is nothing wrong with current controllers. Just because *you* don't have the ability to use one proficiently doesn't mean gaming is ruined as a whole..


You know why first person shooters don't have crossover servers between PCs and consoles? Because every time they've tried it the consolers have been absolutely destroyed by PC players using mouse and keyboard. Your controller is a child's toy; your desperate clinging to it despite all facts pointing to the contrary is a child's mentality.

PCs have always been a superior platform for game development for one simple reason: they are not limited to dated hardware constraints. Anything made now for an Xbox360 must be made to run on 7 year old hardware and within tight memory allowances. In 2005, the king of the video cards was the Geforce7800. Those kind of specs can be found today on an entry level card. Compare that with the new top of the line GTX 690 and there's really not even a comparison. And that's just one aspect. When you look at level design, world immersion, player character capabilities and varieties, all of those things are eventually limited by space you have to store the information and how capable your system is of reproducing them faithfully. When you're running with 7 year old hardware, all of those things must be pared down.

There is absolutely nothing superior about producing games for a console system from the end user's perspective. Everything becomes watered down shiat all to appease the lowest common demoninator mouth breather who thinks playing Madden with his bros is going to make him an NFL superstar.
 
2012-12-05 09:25:40 AM  

Teufelaffe: What I wanted from Skyrim was another great epic Elder Scrolls game from Bethesda. What I got was a watered-down


That's exactly how I felt about the game as well. What I was hoping for was a game with near limitless potential for character ability combinations, what we got was cookie-cutter builds and near worthless skill trees. Some of it can be fixed by modding, but only so much.
 
2012-12-05 09:31:42 AM  
I'm pretty sure Skyrim was awesome. I say this because I can run around and get mammoths to fight dragons.

Yes, I play on console.

/suck it haters
 
2012-12-05 09:36:40 AM  

NaziKamikaze: But if you're telling me that controllers are unusuable and actually hurt the development in games, I'm going to call out your stupidity.


Name a game series that went from PC exclusive to console & PC and did not "dumb down" the controls and by extension the game itself. Go ahead, we'll wait here. Oh, and while you're at it, if you could find me a single instance of a professional FPS player on the PC who uses a controller instead of mouse & keyboard, that would be swell too. Because, you know, if controllers are so awesome, surely you can find a pro who chooses to use them for PC game competitions.

Games designed to support a controller cannot be as complex as games designed solely for use with the keyboard & mouse. This is a simple fact of reality, and it is hurting the development of games that adults want to play. If you doubt me, compare Dragon Age: Origins (PC only) to it's cross-platform sequel. Or Deus Ex (PC only) with its cross-platform sequel, Deus Ex: Invisible War. There are others, but those two stand out as particularly good examples of how support for controllers or consoles ends up making for a worse game.

Just because you're happy with shiatty games that cater to people who get confused by more than a dozen buttons, that doesn't mean the rest of us are.
 
2012-12-05 09:40:23 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Ed Finnerty: A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?

A single cazador is tough. Often times, however, there are more than one. Imagine 3 of those coming at you.

"Sh*t! Run away! Run away!"

/drops armor
//mooooommmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


"Oh, wait...2 of them got stuck inside a rock.

Nevermind."
 
2012-12-05 09:52:46 AM  

StrangeQ: I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for


That was what I did but the quest to destroy the Dark Brotherhood was so disappointing that I reloaded a save and killed all three prisoners just so I could have something to do.
 
2012-12-05 10:00:14 AM  

SuperChuck: StrangeQ: I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for

That was what I did but the quest to destroy the Dark Brotherhood was so disappointing that I reloaded a save and killed all three prisoners just so I could have something to do.


I never even bothered...shortly after that I hit that tipping point in smithing/enchanting where encounters go from requiring a tactical and clever approach to charging in and wildly swing your double penetration skullfarker of doom until everything in the room is dead and properly sodomized, and after that things just aren't as fun anymore.
 
2012-12-05 10:03:03 AM  

Bukharin: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.
Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.


Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.
 
2012-12-05 10:07:51 AM  
Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!
 
2012-12-05 10:33:32 AM  
love skyrim but what the fark is with the load times? every time i go through a goddamned door, it's 45 seconds or more of loading. even though i've DL'd the game to my 360.
 
2012-12-05 10:34:15 AM  

AdamK: they stopped scamming PS3 players?


THIS^

still miffed
 
2012-12-05 10:36:35 AM  

I drunk what: AdamK: they stopped scamming PS3 players?

THIS^

still miffed


speaking of which, IF/WHEN i do decide to try skyrim any advice for avoiding the PS3 version? i can do PC version but prefer PS3 when possible

if it's not buggy/crashy and has decent DLC
 
2012-12-05 10:37:23 AM  

archnem: Dude....destruction sucks in Skyrim. Especially on Master. Hell, the whole magic system is rather weak.


Sure it is, you go right ahead and think that.

When I get GotY edition, I think I'll just go faceroll the entire game again with illusion alone.
 
2012-12-05 11:06:27 AM  

Rose McGowan Loveslave: Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!


I can understand the Thalmor, but, the Forsworn? They're farked by everyone, they just want their own kingdom.
 
2012-12-05 11:08:48 AM  

StrangeQ: wildly swing your double penetration skullfarker of doom until everything in the room is dead and properly sodomized.


Funny enough, that's my approach to dating.
 
2012-12-05 11:12:36 AM  

limeyfellow: Bukharin: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.
Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.

Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.


My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.

Also, eventually building my character up enough to take out Vivec.
I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.
 
2012-12-05 11:15:08 AM  

that bosnian sniper: archnem: Dude....destruction sucks in Skyrim. Especially on Master. Hell, the whole magic system is rather weak.

Sure it is, you go right ahead and think that.

When I get GotY edition, I think I'll just go faceroll the entire game again with illusion alone.


Sure you will. I'd love to see you fight even the opening dragon at Windhelm with illusion alone without hiding behind the guards the entire time.

FlashHarry: love skyrim but what the fark is with the load times? every time i go through a goddamned door, it's 45 seconds or more of loading. even though i've DL'd the game to my 360.


I think I found your problem.
 
2012-12-05 11:20:56 AM  

NeoCortex42: limeyfellow: Bukharin: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.
Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.

Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.

My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.

Also, eventually building my character up enough to take out Vivec.
I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.


Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.
 
2012-12-05 11:24:31 AM  

StrangeQ: I think I found your problem.


is it that bad on the PS3?
 
2012-12-05 11:26:46 AM  

StrangeQ: Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.


Then you might be interested in this.
 
2012-12-05 11:26:50 AM  

StrangeQ: Sure you will. I'd love to see you fight even the opening dragon at Windhelm with DERP DERP DERP.


Well, there's ya problem. You apparently have no idea how to use illusion.

Hint: "hiding behind whatever" is the entire point.
 
2012-12-05 11:27:01 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Cup_O_Jo: LOL>>>>> Started Skyrim about a month ago. I was scared of Dragons for like a week. Now I am at level 30 and really last night thought "is this as hard as it gets"---Apparently was not the only one. Bethesda says HAPPY HOLIDAYS heres an annoyawarrior.
/feel like I am missing something

Thar be tougher foes then the dragons...
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Actually the ones that really got my goat were the dragon-priests, at least until I could double enchant all my gear to be resistant to everything simultaneously.


By the time I got my sneak, archery and smithing up to 100, I was able to just sneak into the final chambers and just kill the bastards with an arrow.

Hell, I could kill a dragon with 1 shot if he doesn't see me.
 
2012-12-05 11:32:00 AM  

FlashHarry: love skyrim but what the fark is with the load times? every time i go through a goddamned door, it's 45 seconds or more of loading. even though i've DL'd the game to my 360.


On my PC the load time is less than a second because I have enough RAM to hold the entire game in memory at once.
 
2012-12-05 11:33:18 AM  

CygnusDarius: StrangeQ: Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.

Then you might be interested in this.


I'll have to keep an eye on that. Even though I own Skyrim on 360, I'd gladly rebuy it on PC if Skywind turns out worthwhile.
 
2012-12-05 11:37:04 AM  
Typical gamer progression through an RPG:

Step 1: Work hard to find the ideal combination of skills, equipment, and spells that allow you to plow through eveything.

Step 2: Complain about the lack of challenge bc you are now just plowing through everything.
 
2012-12-05 11:38:55 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Typical gamer progression through an RPG:

Step 1: Work hard to find the ideal combination of skills, equipment, and spells that allow you to plow through eveything.

Step 2: Complain about the lack of challenge bc you are now just plowing through everything.


It's nice to hack through everything, and feel like a sexy (shoeless) God of War.

It's nicer when you find that one enemy you just can't beat as easy and go "Ohhh, it's on, motherfarker!"
 
2012-12-05 11:40:07 AM  

NaziKamikaze: It has absolutely nothing to do with console gamers, so stuff it.


Have the played Morrowind? If you look at how the interface menus are setup, everything is available for you on one screen:

-your entire inventory
-the world/local map
-all your stats
-your magic stuff

However, by the time we get to Skyrim, every tiny thing is split up into its own menu with huge text, suitable to read on a TV screen across the room, but much too large to be practical on a monitor.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:11 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Hint: "hiding behind whatever" is the entire point.


To that I'll add, the Civil war plot/quest line was never more fun or epic than with an illusion/restoration mage.

Call to Arms is easily the most powerful master spell, with the exception of Dead Thrall which is just ridiculous especially on the higher difficulties.
 
2012-12-05 11:40:47 AM  
Also, slaying your first dragon with this song? So worth it.
 
2012-12-05 12:11:59 PM  
The Morrowind interface was an awful mess, though mostly due to the inventory screen being one giant grid (sorting tabs would've fixed that up well enough)

It makes sense to split it up somewhat, but I have to agree that Skyrim's is a bit too simplified (and I'm even on console.) Also, Beth please add the sort categories to containers. It's painful scrolling through a chest with a few hundred items. Fallout had this, so why doesn't Skyrim?
 
2012-12-05 12:21:47 PM  

mokinokaro: The Morrowind interface was an awful mess, though mostly due to the inventory screen being one giant grid (sorting tabs would've fixed that up well enough)

It makes sense to split it up somewhat, but I have to agree that Skyrim's is a bit too simplified (and I'm even on console.) Also, Beth please add the sort categories to containers. It's painful scrolling through a chest with a few hundred items. Fallout had this, so why doesn't Skyrim?


If you use Kinect with the voice commands, it lets you sort.
 
2012-12-05 12:53:14 PM  
It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases
//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore
///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games
 
2012-12-05 12:58:08 PM  

mooseyfate: It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases
//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore
///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games


Since you were obviously a retard before you picked up the controller, I'm not surprised you didn't notice a difference.
 
2012-12-05 01:06:09 PM  

mooseyfate: It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases
//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore
///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games


Yeah, damn, I'll just have to play on my PC, which loads much faster, is easier to control, has better graphics, and can be easily modded.

Oh, and the games are cheaper.
 
2012-12-05 01:15:37 PM  

Sid_6.7: mooseyfate: It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases
//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore
///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games

Yeah, damn, I'll just have to play on my PC, which loads much faster, is easier to control, has better graphics, and can be easily modded.

Oh, and the games are cheaper.


So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

/why do people post these "Ha, Ha! Gotcha!" comments when it's pretty obvious that I enjoy both platforms for playing video-games?
//How DARE I play 360 games and PC games!? What the fark is wrong with me?! It's almost like I'm more interested in playing games than I am in being a loyalist to inanimate objects!
 
2012-12-05 01:25:49 PM  

mooseyfate: So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.


Pure PC gamers are always the first to shiat on a video game thread and it happens in 99% of video game threads. Then it turns into a douchey PC vs. console flamewar when most people just want to talk about the damn game. Hell I only remember one game thread that didn't turn into a flamewar, and it was for "Just Cause 2" and everyone just talked about the game. It was pleasant.

I play both PC and console, like you do, and feel the exact same way.

For supposedly being the "superior race", pure PC gamers sure are a whiny bunch.
 
2012-12-05 01:28:50 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mooseyfate: So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

Pure PC gamers are always the first to shiat on a video game thread and it happens in 99% of video game threads. Then it turns into a douchey PC vs. console flamewar when most people just want to talk about the damn game. Hell I only remember one game thread that didn't turn into a flamewar, and it was for "Just Cause 2" and everyone just talked about the game. It was pleasant.

I play both PC and console, like you do, and feel the exact same way.

For supposedly being the "superior race", pure PC gamers sure are a whiny bunch.


Meh, people get that way when something they view as superior to alternatives is either dissed by others or is shown a complete lack of interest. See: Every Apple thread, ever.
 
2012-12-05 01:44:24 PM  

CygnusDarius: StrangeQ: Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.

Then you might be interested in this.


Thats cool looking but ultimately pretty dumb. The games take place centuries apart from each other. It just doesn't make sense that your rolled character could quest through those games. Particularly vexing since events in Morrowind and Oblivion set the stage for what occurs in Skyrim. How could you be doing those quests simultaneously? hm? exactly! Unless they included a quest to retrieve an Elder Scroll that upon being read by a moth priest would transport you magically to the events of those times.
 
2012-12-05 01:47:37 PM  

NeoCortex42: My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.


Eh, I had a ring that did that.

The impressive bit was my set of gear that gave me 100% sanctuary and magicka absorb. It made the game about as much fun as watching snails fark on drying paint, though.
 
2012-12-05 01:50:43 PM  
PC gaming is great if you can keep up with the graphics requirement. Alas, I cannot so i will have to settle for playing on the 360.

The purist seem to forget some people have to spend money on things other than their video cards.
 
2012-12-05 01:56:41 PM  

Le Grand Inquisitor: CygnusDarius: StrangeQ: Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.

Then you might be interested in this.

Thats cool looking but ultimately pretty dumb. The games take place centuries apart from each other. It just doesn't make sense that your rolled character could quest through those games. Particularly vexing since events in Morrowind and Oblivion set the stage for what occurs in Skyrim. How could you be doing those quests simultaneously? hm? exactly! Unless they included a quest to retrieve an Elder Scroll that upon being read by a moth priest would transport you magically to the events of those times.


Strangely enough, looking for moth priests, then the white gold tower, and then the white gold concordat, I found this.
 
2012-12-05 02:00:42 PM  

Copperbelly watersnake: The purist seem to forget some people have to spend money on things other than their video cards.


You have to also look at the costs compared to a PC.

If someone has an X-Box Live account, that's what, $5/month?

Each new game costs about $10 more than on PC.

So if someone buys only five games per year for PC instead of console, one could save $50. An extra $60 to represent not paying for X-Box live for that year, and that's $110/year easy to put into upgrading a PC to stay current. The more games you buy, the better off you are. Also, it's far more likely you can still play those games again if you want to in 5 to 10 years after the next gen consoles come out.

Most people already have a PC anyway, so it's money you can spend to get a better PC, and use it for gaming.

Of course, some people are happy playing the Halo series, and think it's the best thing that ever has been made, so they're more than pleased to stick with X-Box.
 
2012-12-05 02:06:29 PM  

Sid_6.7: Copperbelly watersnake: The purist seem to forget some people have to spend money on things other than their video cards.

You have to also look at the costs compared to a PC.

If someone has an X-Box Live account, that's what, $5/month?

Each new game costs about $10 more than on PC.

So if someone buys only five games per year for PC instead of console, one could save $50. An extra $60 to represent not paying for X-Box live for that year, and that's $110/year easy to put into upgrading a PC to stay current. The more games you buy, the better off you are. Also, it's far more likely you can still play those games again if you want to in 5 to 10 years after the next gen consoles come out.

Most people already have a PC anyway, so it's money you can spend to get a better PC, and use it for gaming.

Of course, some people are happy playing the Halo series, and think it's the best thing that ever has been made, so they're more than pleased to stick with X-Box.


One advantage of consoles is ease of use. I can get any 360 game and it will work with my system. I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files. After dealing with Oblivion crashing more than playing at launch, I decided I was perfectly happy getting Skyrim on 360.
 
2012-12-05 02:46:02 PM  

NeoCortex42: I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files.


Wow, I had no idea we had been transported back to 1995

/better go check my IRQ settings
 
2012-12-05 02:50:17 PM  

buttery_shame_cave: Coolfusis: naughtyrev: ***snip***

my favorite bow enchanting pair is shocking/paralyze. tazer arrows ftw.


You didn't name the "Don't Taze Me Bow"? You fail.
 
2012-12-05 02:53:21 PM  

Sid_6.7: Copperbelly watersnake: The purist seem to forget some people have to spend money on things other than their video cards.

You have to also look at the costs compared to a PC.

If someone has an X-Box Live account, that's what, $5/month?

Each new game costs about $10 more than on PC.

So if someone buys only five games per year for PC instead of console, one could save $50. An extra $60 to represent not paying for X-Box live for that year, and that's $110/year easy to put into upgrading a PC to stay current. The more games you buy, the better off you are. Also, it's far more likely you can still play those games again if you want to in 5 to 10 years after the next gen consoles come out.

Most people already have a PC anyway, so it's money you can spend to get a better PC, and use it for gaming.

Of course, some people are happy playing the Halo series, and think it's the best thing that ever has been made, so they're more than pleased to stick with X-Box.


Many people either don't have the required know-how to do those things, or are simply too lazy to keep up with such things. This is to be expected of the country that brought you the Snuggy. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's where we're at.
 
2012-12-05 02:54:41 PM  

NeoCortex42: limeyfellow: Bukharin: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.
Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.

Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.

My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.

Also, eventually building my character up enough to take out Vivec.
I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.


http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/09/20/skywind-mod-aims-to-bring-morrowin d- to-the-skyrim-engine/
 
2012-12-05 03:03:32 PM  

StrangeQ: NeoCortex42: I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files.

Wow, I had no idea we had been transported back to 1995

/better go check my IRQ settings


God you're a douche
 
2012-12-05 03:14:25 PM  

NeoCortex42: Sid_6.7: Copperbelly watersnake:
One advantage of consoles is ease of use. I can get any 360 game and it will work with my system. I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files. After dealing with Oblivion crashing more than playing at launch, I decided I was perfectly happy getting Skyrim on 360.


I think BF 1942 was the last time I had to modify a config file. That was 10 years ago.

I can't remember the last time I had a driver issue causing a crash. I remember lots of crashes as the result of the game not being properly QA'd, but a driver? I can't think of one back past my 9500 unlocked to a 9800 pro. Sometime newer drivers increased performance, but they never made a game unplayable.

For video cards, since I built my first gaming rig I've had a Hercules Prophet II 64 MB, I swapped it for 7500 pro. I swapped that for the 9500 (flashed to a 9800), that went in exchange for a 8800 GTS 640 MB, which went for a GTX 570. That's 5 cards over more than 10 years, so about 2 years per card. I sold the old ones and paid for more than half of new one with that. Except the 8800. I got married and my wife runs that one in her rig so it's still going

As for the rest of my box, I've had all the guts the same since '08 - q6600, 4x 500 GB in RAID 5, 8 GB of DDR2. It's not the fastest thing out there but I'm 5 years into it with no plans to replace it. I can play everything that's coming out today at high to max settings. I haven't had to touch the OS since I upgraded from Vista to 7 pro x64. I play with friends who have i7s w/ SSD RAID 0 who load games about twice as fast as I do, but there's not a huge difference once in.

I'm not completely against consoles as I have a Wii, 360, and PS3. But those are for when someone brings their kids over or I'm playing with mine. It's more for social occasions. But for me, thumbsticks suck, DX 11 is MUCH prettier than DX 9, and there's
cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk
 
2012-12-05 03:16:02 PM  

chewy milk: StrangeQ: NeoCortex42: I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files.

Wow, I had no idea we had been transported back to 1995

/better go check my IRQ settings

God you're a douche


Well I guess that means my day is complete.

/think I might have to start a new save game tonight...and on that note, doesn't anyone know of a good save file management mod since the vanilla save files organization method makes about as much sense as the in-game container organization?
 
2012-12-05 03:31:31 PM  
Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.

/Computer gamers = midlife crisis males that buy fast sports cars
//no one thinks your cool cause you have a nice computer
 
2012-12-05 03:50:13 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.


ftfy
 
2012-12-05 03:55:50 PM  

CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).


I really want 2, with the option of taking over the world and installing myself as the new Dragon Emperor.
 
2012-12-05 04:00:27 PM  

StrangeQ: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

ftfy


You should try touching boobs sometime. I think you might like it.
 
2012-12-05 04:46:03 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.

/Computer gamers = midlife crisis males that buy fast sports cars
//no one thinks your cool cause you have a nice computer


Well, you are a complete moron, but it has nothing to do with not being a PC gamer.

/People who biatch about PC gamers = self-righteous douche-rockets who feel insecure about their genitals
//no one thinks you're cool. That's it. No qualifiers. Just, no one thinks you're cool.
 
2012-12-05 04:53:29 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.

/Computer gamers = midlife crisis males that buy fast sports cars
//no one thinks your cool cause you have a nice computer

Well, you are a complete moron, but it has nothing to do with not being a PC gamer.

/People who biatch about PC gamers = self-righteous douche-rockets who feel insecure about their genitals
//no one thinks you're cool. That's it. No qualifiers. Just, no one thinks you're cool.


/

StrangeQ: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

ftfy


LOL, proving my point over and over.

Golf Clap
 
2012-12-05 04:57:24 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.

/Computer gamers = midlife crisis males that buy fast sports cars
//no one thinks your cool cause you have a nice computer

Well, you are a complete moron, but it has nothing to do with not being a PC gamer.

/People who biatch about PC gamers = self-righteous douche-rockets who feel insecure about their genitals
//no one thinks you're cool. That's it. No qualifiers. Just, no one thinks you're cool.


And I just want to add, that I came into this thread to hear a little bit about this expansion that came out, not a bunch of crybabies talking about their hate for console games or countless other things that are nothing to do with the game homo. Also, your location is hoth huh. You must get laid all the time.
 
2012-12-05 05:42:23 PM  
Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I have an XBox, a Wii, and a gaming PC I put together myself. I have a good number of games from Steam. I use all three of the devices frequently. Essentially, if I am playing something more casually, or a game I don't think will be particularly challenging, I will usually fire up the XBox. On the PC, I usually have the more time-consuming games, especially the strategy games like Total War and so on.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.
 
2012-12-05 05:43:36 PM  

archnem: that bosnian sniper:
You know, the guys who say destruction sucks in Skyrim.


Dude....destruction sucks in Skyrim. Especially on Master. Hell, the whole magic system is rather weak.


My dual cast Thunderbolt with Stagger perk disagrees.
 
2012-12-05 05:59:45 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I have an XBox, a Wii, and a gaming PC I put together myself. I have a good number of games from Steam. I use all three of the devices frequently. Essentially, if I am playing something more casually, or a game I don't think will be particularly challenging, I will usually fire up the XBox. On the PC, I usually have the more time-consuming games, especially the strategy games like Total War and so on.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.


I tried to raise that point earlier and got called a retard, so:

RETARD! What a farking idiot! Drown your children, you're too stupid to breed!

/Purists should have their feet held over a fire until they admit; in writing, with a notary and no less than 3 witnesses; that Virtual Boy was the pinnacle of gaming technology, and nothing will ever replace it.
 
2012-12-05 06:05:54 PM  

chewy milk: StrangeQ: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

ftfy

You should try touching boobs sometime. I think you might like it.


There are at least 6 mods on skyrimnexus that let you do just that... ;)
 
2012-12-05 06:07:49 PM  

NeoCortex42: I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.


They have ported Morrowind to Oblivion engine.

They are working on porting Morrowind to Skyrim Engine.
You can currently play it now, but it is new so I wouldn't expect it to be great. The oblivion port is mature.

Morrowblivion
 
2012-12-05 06:12:18 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.


I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.
 
2012-12-05 06:50:45 PM  

BumpInTheNight: chewy milk: StrangeQ: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

ftfy

You should try touching boobs sometime. I think you might like it.

There are at least 6 mods on skyrimnexus that let you do just that... ;)


Ok that actually made me laugh. Hah nice
 
2012-12-05 06:55:26 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I have an XBox, a Wii, and a gaming PC I put together myself. I have a good number of games from Steam. I use all three of the devices frequently. Essentially, if I am playing something more casually, or a game I don't think will be particularly challenging, I will usually fire up the XBox. On the PC, I usually have the more time-consuming games, especially the strategy games like Total War and so on.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.


I have a PS2, a Wii, a PC, and a smartphone. Depending on my mood, I will play one of them, and it usually depends on which family member is currently gaming or otherwise using one of them. The SNES is hooked up, but I cannot find the controllers at the moment.

All the game systems have their place.
 
2012-12-05 07:02:51 PM  

meat0918: So...

They added Umbra back, but aren't calling it Umbra.

//Realize Umbra was pretty easy to kill, but I swear the Bearer always wore Ebony.


WE HAVE A WINNER!

/Wouldn't be surprised if they *DO* call him that in the game. 

//That or Dark Avenger from Daggerfall. Speaking of which; hey, Beth - we ever getting Daggerfall: Enhanced Edition?
 
2012-12-05 07:21:31 PM  

CygnusDarius: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!

I can understand the Thalmor, but, the Forsworn? They're farked by everyone, they just want their own kingdom.


Yeah, but they're often murderers. I would've helped their cause, but I didn't want to murder some poor bastard in his cell. Instead, I killed their "king" and took his key to escape Cidna Mine.
 
2012-12-05 07:38:38 PM  

Wayne 985: CygnusDarius: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!

I can understand the Thalmor, but, the Forsworn? They're farked by everyone, they just want their own kingdom.

Yeah, but they're often murderers. I would've helped their cause, but I didn't want to murder some poor bastard in his cell. Instead, I killed their "king" and took his key to escape Cidna Mine.


I killed both the king and the Silver-Blood guy during the escape with two back to back beheadings. Among my favourite killing ever in that game. Funnily enough, the Forsworn were still were friendly to me during the escape after I killed him.
 
2012-12-05 08:03:42 PM  

Wayne 985: CygnusDarius: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!

I can understand the Thalmor, but, the Forsworn? They're farked by everyone, they just want their own kingdom.

Yeah, but they're often murderers. I would've helped their cause, but I didn't want to murder some poor bastard in his cell. Instead, I killed their "king" and took his key to escape Cidna Mine.


It's befitting of my character that I hate them because they travel in numbers, yet carry so little worth my while.

/sneak-thief/assassin
 
2012-12-05 09:28:41 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: LOL, proving my point over and over.


Wait, your point was that we're much smarter and exponentially sexier than you are? Huh, I must have missed that part.


Nick Spiceyweiner: Also, your location is hoth huh. You must get laid all the time.


In fact, I do. I have a hot readhead for a wife, who puts out quite a bit. I also have three kids to prove I've gotten some; two grea...well, a great couple of sons, and Meg.
 
2012-12-05 10:34:46 PM  

roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.

I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.


Been there, done that. My son went two and a half years without sleeping through an entire night. I clearly remember the first night he slept all the way through, I jumped out of bed and ran into his room to see if he was dead/still there. During those two and a half years, he was up almost every two hours, with an hour or wakefulness/tossing and turning in between. When he was a baby, we had three breakfasts: one at 3, one at 5, and the "real" one at 8.

In the meantime, I played a lot of games on the PC.

/he was lactose intolerant the whole time, dammit, with a mild allergy to breastmilk
//learned that playing Amnesia at 1 in the morning is not the best way to mental health
 
2012-12-05 11:15:43 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.

I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.

Been there, done that. My son went two and a half years without sleeping through an entire night. I clearly remember the first night he slept all the way through, I jumped out of bed and ran into his room to see if he was dead/still there. During those two and a half years, he was up almost every two hours, with an hour or wakefulness/tossing and turning in between. When he was a baby, we had three breakfasts: one at 3, one at 5, and the "real" one at 8.

In the meantime, I played a lot of games on the PC.

/he was lactose intolerant the whole time, dammit, with a mild allergy to breastmilk
//learned that playing Amnesia at 1 in the morning is not the best way to mental health



I married a gamer-wife who does not want children. It's wonderful. We go to gaming cons together.
 
2012-12-06 07:26:17 AM  

Sid_6.7: whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.

I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.

Been there, done that. My son went two and a half years without sleeping through an entire night. I clearly remember the first night he slept all the way through, I jumped out of bed and ran into his room to see if he was dead/still there. During those two and a half years, he was up almost every two hours, with an hour or wakefulness/tossing and turning in between. When he was a baby, we had three breakfasts: one at 3, one at 5, and the "real" one at 8.

In the meantime, I played a lot of games on the PC.

/he was lactose intolerant the whole time, dammit, with a mild allergy to breastmilk
//learned that playing Amnesia at 1 in the morning is not the best way to mental health


I married a gamer-wife who does not want childrenat this time. It's wonderful. We go to gaming cons together.


Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees.
 
2012-12-06 09:04:27 AM  

Ed Finnerty: A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?


Faster than a cat on speed and infinitely meaner, the only thing that is worse than a cazadore is a Giant Cazadore (and you run into one of those in Lonesome Hearts.)

Fark you, Obsidian Entertainment, fark you in the ear.
 
2012-12-06 09:35:19 AM  
Mah kitteh has just finished beating Alduin to death
with his fists (punchkats r fun). On the other hand, grinding sucks.
Pass. It can't be too long before the next Elder Scrolls installment,
can it?
 
2012-12-06 09:37:18 AM  
PC Gaming is superior in most cases. The problem is, PC gamers are known for massive amounts of pirating. PC gamers are also notoriously hard to please. When they aren't complaining about cross-overs, they're complaining about PC exclusives for one reason or another (usually the DRM meant to keep them from constantly pirating).

RTS and FPS are where mouse and keyboard are definitely superior. Other than that, a controller is just fine. In fact, it can be optimal for platformers and adventure games. It's more "ergonomic", whatever that means, but a keyboard is meant for typing, and can sort of be used for a gamepad, but ultimately the only reason that a mouse and keyboard set up is better than a controller for RTS and FPS is because the mouse more than makes up for the many deficiencies of the keyboard.

I like both. I can't keep up with modern computer gaming technology, so when I want to play a game that requires a lot of resources I use my XBox 360. It's good enough, and in some cases I prefer having a controller, just popping a game in, not worrying about whether I have too many other programs that I need to close to free up memory, etc.

And yes, I already own a computer, but it has to be a laptop (price to power ratio is necessarily not so great) and so I'm a few years behind the curve. Playing Darksiders, it would hiccup during the first boss fight and then just crashed. My XBox doesn't do that, and it cost less.

If money wasn't a problem and I could own three computers like I want to, then yes I would have a gaming rig with a giant monitor and awesome speakers and subwoofer that I would play on almost exclusively, because there is one huge advantage that PC games have: mods and addons, and all of that crap. You're not going to get Skywind on the XBox 360. Plus there are better deals on games for the PC.

If you're a PC elitist, and you disagree with me, it's only because you're wrong and you probably are either dumb, or you have a high IQ but you also have social (and/or emotional) problems.

Or the most likely case is all of the PC guys in here are trolls, who are just looking to piss of everyone else because they know it works and because part of them actually does resent console gamers and they want to do what they can to make those people's days just a little bit worse.

Why not just ignore them?
 
2012-12-06 09:41:47 AM  
Just curious, but is the Oghma glitch still working on the Xbox? I'd like to get a new char up to speed without having to grind to 81...
 
2012-12-06 09:56:44 AM  
You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.
 
2012-12-06 10:02:34 AM  
Actually, the biggest thing I would love to see from Bethesda for Skyrim is the ability to create a new character and skip all of the starting crap and just get to the game. Sure, the starting story, scenes, and events are cool the first time...maybe even the second time, but holy mother of god does it get tiresome after that. At least in Oblivion and Morrowind you could save your game just before you left the starting area and then just load from that game and choose the "change your selections" option to create whatever kind of new character you want. No such luck in Skyrim, since you don't get that one last "Are you sure this is what you want?" just before it lets you out into the game proper. Also, iirc, you can't save your game until you've finished the starting stuff.
 
2012-12-06 10:05:46 AM  

IrishFarmer: If you're a PC elitist, and you disagree with me, it's only because you're wrong and you probably are either dumb, or you have a high IQ but you also have social (and/or emotional) problems.


Unsubtle. 3/10.
 
2012-12-06 11:09:13 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees


In other words: "I used to be a child-less gaming parent like you, then I took a shiatty diaper to the knee".
 
2012-12-06 11:20:24 AM  

CygnusDarius: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees

In other words: "I used to be a child-less gaming parent like you, then I took a shiatty diaper to the knee".



She already brought up that she might want to have kids for hormonal reasons, and has asked that I make certain it does not happen when she's going through that sh*t.
 
2012-12-06 11:35:02 AM  

I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-06 11:37:33 AM  

Teufelaffe: Actually, the biggest thing I would love to see from Bethesda for Skyrim is the ability to create a new character and skip all of the starting crap and just get to the game. Sure, the starting story, scenes, and events are cool the first time...maybe even the second time, but holy mother of god does it get tiresome after that. At least in Oblivion and Morrowind you could save your game just before you left the starting area and then just load from that game and choose the "change your selections" option to create whatever kind of new character you want. No such luck in Skyrim, since you don't get that one last "Are you sure this is what you want?" just before it lets you out into the game proper. Also, iirc, you can't save your game until you've finished the starting stuff.


You are able to make a save right before the character creation, and after that long cart ride and whatnot. I found it by hitting start over and over during the last part (the beheadings).
 
2012-12-06 12:15:08 PM  

IrishFarmer: RTS and FPS are where mouse and keyboard are definitely superior. Other than that, a controller is just fine.


Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion. You can get every bit the responsiveness and fine control out of an analog controller for looking and aiming, and WASD absolutely cannot compare with an analog controller stick for freedom and control of movement.

Something, I'll note, which represents a clear contradiction in game design. Shooters that put premiums on movement and maneuvering (for example, UT) rarely come out on consoles (especially after the atrocity that was the UC series) and when they do are criminally undersold, under-advertised, underdeveloped and under-supported. The "modern shooter" games that put premiums on precise aiming and fine control were console vehicles. Moreover, consoles gave rise to the cover-based shooter, which is a sub-genre that does naught but shine on the PC given WASD's inferiority to an analog stick when it comes to movement.

For the fact we're at a technological point controllers could actually be superior to mouse-and-keyboard for shooter games, game developers don't seem to have idea one how to capitalize on that. Of course, with that said neither do consumers seem to be ready or willing to buy console games that do fully exploit the controllers' strengths as an input device, on consoles.

Moreover, you have the fact controllers and controller-based interfaces continue to improve, albeit incrementally. The next generation of controllers are implementing touchscreens and integrating full motion-sensitivity; those things may seem gimmicky now, and of questionable value...but so did the Sony dual analog stick when it was first released, especially after attempts to create analog sticks had failed terribly for the previous decade and a half (remember, the first analog controller was the Atari 5200's).

Mouse and keyboard, by comparison, has remained largely stagnant. Stagnant because there was little need to reinvent the wheel? Sure. Still, stagnant, and with little chance of mass improvement or revolution in its form. The best improvements to mouse-and-keyboard since it developed as a control scheme have been extra buttons and scroll wheels. With that said, it's not going anywhere for its utility.

The idea mouse and keyboard are still somehow nebulously superior to an analog stick for shooter games is an old canard that is counter-intuitively, and hell counter-factually, held onto like a security blanket by PC gamers to convince themselves of the superiority of their chosen platform.
 
2012-12-06 12:28:05 PM  

Sid_6.7: She already brought up that she might want to have kids for hormonal reasons, and has asked that I make certain it does not happen when she's going through that sh*t.


Yeah, good luck with that, sir.
 
2012-12-06 12:30:47 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: ***snip***


Ya, my daughter has no interest in me once she goes to bed since she is breastfed. If I come in when she is crying, she usually freaks out even more and constantly looks out her door for mom. Also, since my wife HAS to get up 98% of the time when my daughter cries at night, she gets irritated if she wakes up and I am gaming. Which I understand logically, but at the same time, I need my Shining Force time. Who will save the world if me and my small band of adventurers doesn't? No one, that's who.

///I also get a nice eye roll when I am playing MW2 and I tell her that she should be thankful that I am keeping the world safe from terrorists. Of course when I get pwned for the nth time she asks me who is going to save me from the terrorists as I seem really bad at it. I hate it when the snark student snarks the snark master.
 
2012-12-06 12:35:37 PM  

that bosnian sniper: IrishFarmer: RTS and FPS are where mouse and keyboard are definitely superior. Other than that, a controller is just fine.

Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion. You can get every bit the responsiveness and fine control out of an analog controller for looking and aiming, and WASD absolutely cannot compare with an analog controller stick for freedom and control of movement.

SNIP


Big, fat LOL. The xbox/PS3 controller is still way behind mounse+keyboard when it comes to aiming. The reason mouse+keyboard hasn't evolved is because it's the best control scheme we've found so far and there's nothing else out there that could represent even an incremental improvement.
 
2012-12-06 12:37:41 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion.


You know, except for the fact that the human animal has better fine motor control when using their whole hand and fingers than they do with just their thumb. Simple biology is the limiting factor here, and it's why the really good FPS players on the PC all use mouse & keyboard instead of controllers, and it's why the few shooters out there that have allowed cross-platform play have had mouse & keyboard players beating the ever-loving snot out of the console players.


that bosnian sniper: Mouse and keyboard, by comparison, has remained largely stagnant.


And apparently you haven't gone shopping for a gaming keyboard or mouse in the last 10 years.
 
2012-12-06 12:45:06 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion. You can get every bit the responsiveness and fine control out of an analog controller for looking and aiming, and WASD absolutely cannot compare with an analog controller stick for freedom and control of movement.

.....snip....


Those are some good points. I still find that I have better control over my aiming with a mouse, but yes analog sticks are way better for having fine control over movement.

Keyboards weren't designed to play games, so the drawbacks there are obvious. Mice weren't designed to play games either, but since games require precision point-and-click sometimes, it became good for games. Keyboards are still just a giant block of keys, most of which are indistinguishable from each other underneath the hand.

For my money, a half-keyboard, half mouse doesn't get any better. However, the mouse will always have one major drawback: you have to lift it up and reposition it in order to continue to pan the camera in a circle. A control stick, you just hold it down and it keeps the camera moving.

This is especially important in FPS where you'll want to decrease the sensitivity in order to get an ideal precision to your aiming.
 
2012-12-06 12:46:17 PM  

IrishFarmer: For my money, a half-keyboard, half mouse doesn't get any better. However, the mouse will always have one major drawback: you have to lift it up and reposition it in order to continue to pan the camera in a circle. A control stick, you just hold it down and it keeps the camera moving.


*Half console controller, half mouse.
 
2012-12-06 12:54:29 PM  

Sid_6.7: CygnusDarius: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees

In other words: "I used to be a child-less gaming parent like you, then I took a shiatty diaper to the knee".


She already brought up that she might want to have kids for hormonal reasons, and has asked that I make certain it does not happen when she's going through that sh*t.


Better schedule the vasectomy now, rather than when it hits.
 
2012-12-06 01:14:32 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.


At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.
 
2012-12-06 01:30:20 PM  

mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.

At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.


Oh, I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of having a computer system that is exponentially more powerful, updgradeable, configurable, and capable than consoles will ever be.

Add to that MS and Sony are likely going forward with their "you must have an always-on internet connection in order to play anything" plans for their new consoles. Aside from MMOs and pure multiplayer games, the number of PC games out there that require an always-on connection can be counted on the fingers of one shop teacher's hand. Also don't forget that MS and Sony are potentially making it so that you can't play used games on the new boxes by making users register their individual copies of each game.

But please, keep telling us how consoles are just going to get better and better and not turn into a glorified corporate presence in your home that won't let you do jack shiat on it without permission from the Powers That Be®. We're all ears.
 
2012-12-06 01:32:27 PM  

croesius: Just curious, but is the Oghma glitch still working on the Xbox? I'd like to get a new char up to speed without having to grind to 81...


Yes it still does: Link to Wiki 

Just ave often in case you misstep and screw it up.
 
2012-12-06 01:36:38 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.

At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.

Oh, I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of having a computer system that is exponentially more powerful, updgradeable, configurable, and capable than consoles will ever be.

Add to that MS and Sony are likely going forward with their "you must have an always-on internet connection in order to play anything" plans for their new consoles. Aside from MMOs and pure multiplayer games, the number of PC games out there that require an always-on connection can be counted on the fingers of one shop teacher's hand. Also don't forget that MS and Sony are potentially making it so that you can't play used games on the new boxes by making users register their individual copies of each game.

But please, keep telling us how consoles are just going to get better and better and not turn into a glorified corporate presence in your home that won't let you do jack shiat on it without permission from the Powers That Be®. We're all ears.


I'm not having this argument for the fiftieth farking time in this thread. Please go read some of my posts regarding the utterly retarded PC vs. console debate and realize how foolish you look railing against someone that isn't loyal to an inanimate object.

/do people with Real Dolls look at people that merely own Fleshlights the same way PC gamers look at console gamers?
//is there nothing in this world people won't try to lord over someone else's head just to feel better about themselves?
 
2012-12-06 01:49:34 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.

At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.

Oh, I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of having a computer system that is exponentially more powerful, updgradeable, configurable, and capable than consoles will ever be.

Add to that MS and Sony are likely going forward with their "you must have an always-on internet connection in order to play anything" plans for their new consoles. Aside from MMOs and pure multiplayer games, the number of PC games out there that require an always-on connection can be counted on the fingers of one shop teacher's hand. Also don't forget that MS and Sony are potentially making it so that you can't play used games on the new boxes by making users register their individual copies of each game.

But please, keep telling us how consoles are just going to get better and better and not turn into a glorified corporate presence in your home that won't let you do jack shiat on it without permission from the Powers That Be®. We're all ears.


Your e-dick must be throbbing right now.

Seriously no one really gives a fark about the PC vs. Console debate except the "Glorious PC Master Race". I play both, but goddamn y'all show up in every single thread about video games to biatch about consoles. Hell the very Boobies in the thread about Xbox and WiiU sales (nothing to do with PC) is the Zero Punctuation pic of the "Glorious PC Master Race".

Y'all just insist on shiatting in every video game thread, even when it has nothing to do with PC vs. Console.
 
2012-12-06 01:50:22 PM  

mooseyfate: I'm not having this argument for the fiftieth farking time in this thread. Please go read some of my posts regarding the utterly retarded PC vs. console debate and realize how foolish you look railing against someone that isn't loyal to an inanimate object.

/do people with Real Dolls look at people that merely own Fleshlights the same way PC gamers look at console gamers?
//is there nothing in this world people won't try to lord over someone else's head just to feel better about themselves?


I've read your posts in this thread, and they boil down to:

"I don't have loyalty to an inanimate object...but PCs won't be superior to consoles forever, so you smug PC gamers are losers."

If you really think the whole debate is stupid, and you honestly don't have any loyalty to consoles or PCs, then you probably should have kept quiet.

And seriously, I don't need to lord anything over someone else to feel better about myself. My sense of self-worth has nothing to do with how I choose to entertain myself or how others choose to entertain themselves. I give the "OMG, CONSOLEZ R TEH BESTES!" people a hard time because they're really, really easy to get riled up, and I find that amusing. It's pretty much the same reason people play with their cat with a laser pointer. But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to say I look foolish, go right ahead, I don't mind.
 
2012-12-06 01:54:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I play both, but goddamn y'all show up in every single thread about video games to biatch about consoles.


We biatch about consoles for the same reason that intelligent, educated people across the country biatch about the Texas Board of Education. Namely, their stupidity is dragging everyone else down.
 
2012-12-06 02:00:36 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I'm not having this argument for the fiftieth farking time in this thread. Please go read some of my posts regarding the utterly retarded PC vs. console debate and realize how foolish you look railing against someone that isn't loyal to an inanimate object.

/do people with Real Dolls look at people that merely own Fleshlights the same way PC gamers look at console gamers?
//is there nothing in this world people won't try to lord over someone else's head just to feel better about themselves?

I've read your posts in this thread, and they boil down to:

"I don't have loyalty to an inanimate object...but PCs won't be superior to consoles forever, so you smug PC gamers are losers."

If you really think the whole debate is stupid, and you honestly don't have any loyalty to consoles or PCs, then you probably should have kept quiet.

And seriously, I don't need to lord anything over someone else to feel better about myself. My sense of self-worth has nothing to do with how I choose to entertain myself or how others choose to entertain themselves. I give the "OMG, CONSOLEZ R TEH BESTES!" people a hard time because they're really, really easy to get riled up, and I find that amusing. It's pretty much the same reason people play with their cat with a laser pointer. But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to say I look foolish, go right ahead, I don't mind.


Incorrect. My point never has been nor ever will be that one subset of gamer is better than the other. My point is that it doesn't matter why or what you play, games are supposed to be fun. If you play games on consoles and have fun, good for you. If you play games on PC and have fun, good for you. The entire PC vs. console argument is nothing but idiotic dick measuring from both sides. If I want to crack a joke about how relentlessly douchebaggish PC purists are along the way, then I will. Much like the rising tide of console ports, you'll get over it and continue to enjoy yourself.

/btw, your "I only do it for the lulz" rebuttal fools no one.
 
2012-12-06 02:03:41 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: scottydoesntknow: I play both, but goddamn y'all show up in every single thread about video games to biatch about consoles.

We biatch about consoles for the same reason that intelligent, educated people across the country biatch about the Texas Board of Education. Namely, their stupidity is dragging everyone else down.


But there is no reason for it. Save that shiat for the threads that actually deal with PC vs. Console (like a thread about a shiatty port or something).

Here we have a thread about Skyrim, and instead of actually talking about what you like/didn't like about the game, people are biatching about "PC vs. Console" and it's always the pure PC players that start it.

The PC players biatchy whining is what's dragging y'all down. Y'all are like the PETA of gaming. You had good points, but you're such douchebags about getting it across that people stop caring.
 
2012-12-06 02:05:47 PM  
Oh, and on the subject of console gamers being so riled up: All I needed to do to get you frothing at the mouth was make a joke about the print screen button. You are what you enjoy mocking.
 
2012-12-06 02:20:11 PM  

mooseyfate: Oh, and on the subject of console gamers being so riled up: All I needed to do to get you frothing at the mouth was make a joke about the print screen button. You are what you enjoy mocking.


Yup, totally riled up here. You sure got me! Why, I'm practically foaming at the mouth here.
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2012-12-06 02:24:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The PC players biatchy whining is what's dragging y'all down.


PC players biatching is why developers are dumbing games down in order to participate in the console market? Stellar logic there.
 
2012-12-06 02:35:01 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: scottydoesntknow: The PC players biatchy whining is what's dragging y'all down.

PC players biatching is why developers are dumbing games down in order to participate in the console market? Stellar logic there.


All I'm hearing is more biatching and moaning about consoles in a thread that had nothing to do with PC vs. Console.

You're truly saving the video game industry (and obviously the world) by shiatting in every video game thread. Thank you for your service to the cause.
 
2012-12-06 02:38:03 PM  

IrishFarmer: For my money, a half-keyboard, half mouse doesn't get any better. However, the mouse will always have one major drawback: you have to lift it up and reposition it in order to continue to pan the camera in a circle. A control stick, you just hold it down and it keeps the camera moving.

This is especially important in FPS where you'll want to decrease the sensitivity in order to get an ideal precision to your aiming.


Agreed, when it comes to controller/mouse hybrid controls. That's about as good as it gets, and why that has yet to be implemented on consoles as at least an optional control scheme with a peripheral is beyond me. Though, I will say I'm pretty excited to see what comes out of hybrid analog/touchscreen design now that tree's been shaken by the WiiU, assuming Nintendo doesn't fark it with third-party support again. The Wii's hybrid design showed promise, but was laid low.

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: ...gaming keyboard or mouse...


Been there done that. I hate to break it to you, but it's all marketing and advertising. A keyboard is still a damn keyboard, no matter how much it costs, what brand logo it has on it, what lights up when or where, how many impressive adjectives are used to describe it, or how many new buttons have been added in "creative" patterns. Though, I can certainly understand how a butt-ugly $300 keyboard that has bells and whistles, and a logo, on it attracts people who think how you game is a status symbol.
 
2012-12-06 02:49:22 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: Oh, and on the subject of console gamers being so riled up: All I needed to do to get you frothing at the mouth was make a joke about the print screen button. You are what you enjoy mocking.

Yup, totally riled up here. You sure got me! Why, I'm practically foaming at the mouth here.


I know.
 
2012-12-06 02:59:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Here we have a thread about Skyrim, and instead of actually talking about what you like/didn't like about the game...


Well, pertinent to Skyrim I think the controversy over Bethesda's design decisions serve as a perfect microcosm for this larger argument. Chiefly, the complaints Skyrim was "dumbed down".

Complexity for its own sake is not the sign of a superior game, or even a superior RPG. Skyrim as a game is the closest since Daggerfall Bethesda came to its own design goal of the Elder Scrolls series in the first place -- to create a game with organic character development that responded to how the player played, rather than the converse. Morrowind and Oblivion were complex for complexity's sake, (especially the latter) requiring the player exercise forethought and plan to painstaking detail how they developed their characters, rather than just play and as a consequence their character develops. Morrowind and Oblivion, taking into consideration Bethesda's original design goals, were huge steps backwards.

If you like complexity for its own sake, I suppose that's fine, but complexity for its own sake does not make a superior game. Nor are games that remove redundancies or needless complexity automatically inferior.
 
2012-12-06 02:59:49 PM  

mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: ***snip***

/do people with Real Dolls look at people that merely own Fleshlights the same way PC gamers look at console gamers?

***snip***


That's freaking funny, right there.


Carlo Spicy-Wiener: scottydoesntknow: ***snip***

We biatch about consoles for the same reason that intelligent, educated people across the country biatch about the Texas Board of Education. Namely, their stupidity is dragging everyone else down.


Ummm...you realize that more people play consoles, which means if developers want the largest market for their games they make a game for consoles. If the developer does not spend the money to adequately port a game to PC or design a game specifically for the PC, how is it the fault of people who play consoles?

//Also, I hope you don't truly believe that comparing a society destroying, anti-intellectual government body to a form of entertainment is a valid comparison.
 
2012-12-06 03:02:57 PM  

roc6783:
Ummm...you realize that more people play consoles, which means if developers want the largest market for their games they make a game for consoles. If the developer does not spend the money to adequately port a game to PC or design a game specifically for the PC, how is it the fault of people who play consoles?

//Also, I hope you don't truly believe that comparing a society destroying, anti-intellectual government body to a form of entertainment is a valid comparison.


It's obviously the console players fault because they buy those games which give developers money which means they'll produce more console games to sell more and make more money. It's truly a terrible cycle that must be stopped through constant biatching on Fark threads.
 
2012-12-06 03:07:16 PM  

roc6783: //Also, I hope you don't truly believe that comparing a society destroying, anti-intellectual government body to a form of entertainment is a valid comparison.


I would agree with you, but shows like Jersey Shore and Here Comes Honey Boo-boo exist, and they're arguably more society destroying and anti-intellectual than the TX Board of Edumacation could ever hope to be.
 
2012-12-06 03:24:43 PM  

that bosnian sniper: scottydoesntknow: ***snip***


Morrowind gave me OCD and I only played for about 20 hours or so. I moved and lost the discs. Now I can't play any RPG without making sure I am using the optimal build. It makes me hate myself.
 
2012-12-06 03:25:54 PM  

Teufelaffe: roc6783: //Also, I hope you don't truly believe that comparing a society destroying, anti-intellectual government body to a form of entertainment is a valid comparison.

I would agree with you, but shows like Jersey Shore and Here Comes Honey Boo-boo exist, and they're arguably more society destroying and anti-intellectual than the TX Board of Edumacation could ever hope to be.


Terrifyingly good point.
 
2012-12-06 03:43:25 PM  

Teufelaffe: roc6783: //Also, I hope you don't truly believe that comparing a society destroying, anti-intellectual government body to a form of entertainment is a valid comparison.

I would agree with you, but shows like Jersey Shore and Here Comes Honey Boo-boo exist, and they're arguably more society destroying and anti-intellectual than the TX Board of Edumacation could ever hope to be.


A well educated populace can enjoy frivolous entertainment, but a government sanctioned body actively working against proper education is much more destructive. There is a reason for the slogans about racism and hate starting in the home, because kids don't know better.
 
2012-12-06 05:41:21 PM  

croesius: Teufelaffe: Actually, the biggest thing I would love to see from Bethesda for Skyrim is the ability to create a new character and skip all of the starting crap and just get to the game. Sure, the starting story, scenes, and events are cool the first time...maybe even the second time, but holy mother of god does it get tiresome after that. At least in Oblivion and Morrowind you could save your game just before you left the starting area and then just load from that game and choose the "change your selections" option to create whatever kind of new character you want. No such luck in Skyrim, since you don't get that one last "Are you sure this is what you want?" just before it lets you out into the game proper. Also, iirc, you can't save your game until you've finished the starting stuff.

You are able to make a save right before the character creation, and after that long cart ride and whatnot. I found it by hitting start over and over during the last part (the beheadings).


Yeah, but I want to be able to load up Skyrim, start a new game, go through the character creation screen, and start out outside of the starting town after it's been destoryed by Anduin. I don't want to have to go through that same starting song & dance with the dragon attack every time I start a new game. It's weird, but one of the most basic features of the Elder Scrolls games is that they give you so much freedom to do just about anything, but ever since Morrowind, they've taken some of that away with their starting sequences. At least with Morrowind and Oblivion you could play through it once and setup your "starter" save to skip it, but with Skyrim the only thing I get to skip that way is the ride/conversation in the cart. Yay.
 
2012-12-06 06:06:23 PM  

Teufelaffe: croesius: Teufelaffe: Actually, the biggest thing I would love to see from Bethesda for Skyrim is the ability to create a new character and skip all of the starting crap and just get to the game. Sure, the starting story, scenes, and events are cool the first time...maybe even the second time, but holy mother of god does it get tiresome after that. At least in Oblivion and Morrowind you could save your game just before you left the starting area and then just load from that game and choose the "change your selections" option to create whatever kind of new character you want. No such luck in Skyrim, since you don't get that one last "Are you sure this is what you want?" just before it lets you out into the game proper. Also, iirc, you can't save your game until you've finished the starting stuff.

You are able to make a save right before the character creation, and after that long cart ride and whatnot. I found it by hitting start over and over during the last part (the beheadings).

Yeah, but I want to be able to load up Skyrim, start a new game, go through the character creation screen, and start out outside of the starting town after it's been destoryed by Anduin. I don't want to have to go through that same starting song & dance with the dragon attack every time I start a new game. It's weird, but one of the most basic features of the Elder Scrolls games is that they give you so much freedom to do just about anything, but ever since Morrowind, they've taken some of that away with their starting sequences. At least with Morrowind and Oblivion you could play through it once and setup your "starter" save to skip it, but with Skyrim the only thing I get to skip that way is the ride/conversation in the cart. Yay.


Ehhh technically it also gives you the option of picking which side of the civil war to initially start with. In my first playthrough, I ended up following the Imperial soldier and learning about the civil war through their side. Next playthough I ended up following the escaping Stormcloaks. I still sided with the Imperials in that playthrough (because the Stormcloaks just seem like huge dicks), but it was interesting to see.
 
2012-12-06 06:09:27 PM  

that bosnian sniper: scottydoesntknow: Here we have a thread about Skyrim, and instead of actually talking about what you like/didn't like about the game...

Well, pertinent to Skyrim I think the controversy over Bethesda's design decisions serve as a perfect microcosm for this larger argument. Chiefly, the complaints Skyrim was "dumbed down".

Complexity for its own sake is not the sign of a superior game, or even a superior RPG. Skyrim as a game is the closest since Daggerfall Bethesda came to its own design goal of the Elder Scrolls series in the first place -- to create a game with organic character development that responded to how the player played, rather than the converse. Morrowind and Oblivion were complex for complexity's sake, (especially the latter) requiring the player exercise forethought and plan to painstaking detail how they developed their characters, rather than just play and as a consequence their character develops. Morrowind and Oblivion, taking into consideration Bethesda's original design goals, were huge steps backwards.

If you like complexity for its own sake, I suppose that's fine, but complexity for its own sake does not make a superior game. Nor are games that remove redundancies or needless complexity automatically inferior.


that was actually one of the things i loved most about skyrim, was that it was a return to organic character development. my first character was a riff on the idea of another character, who has often in RPGs been the badass standing on the front lines and generally tearing it up. in skyrim? he became a master burglar and gentleman spy. the other character i play a lot in skyrim has usually been a more subtle character without much front-line combat. this time? badass knight/master of war who's a fair shake with some magic too. started out as a conjuror/illusionist idea.

the ideal mage i started swiftly evolved into a shadowknight. i don't take him to whiterun, on account of the wholesale slaughter of the town and subsequent zombie over-run...
 
2012-12-06 07:32:49 PM  
I heard he dies if you shoot him in the knee with an arrow.
 
2012-12-07 12:50:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.

At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.

Oh, I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of having a computer system that is exponentially more powerful, updgradeable, configurable, and capable than consoles will ever be.

Add to that MS and Sony are likely going forward with their "you must have an always-on internet connection in order to play anything" plans for their new consoles. Aside from MMOs and pure multiplayer games, the number of PC games out there that require an always-on connection can be counted on the fingers of one shop teacher's hand. Also don't forget that MS and Sony are potentially making it so that you can't play used games on the new boxes by making users register their individual copies of each game.

But please, keep telling us how consoles are just going to get better and better and not turn into a glorified corporate presence in your home that won't let you do jack shiat on it without permission from the Powers That Be®. We're all ears.

Your e-dick must be throbbing right now.

Seriously no one really gives a fark about the PC vs. Console debate except the "Glorious PC Master Race". I play both, but goddamn y'all show up in every single thread about video games to biatch about consoles. Hell the very Boobies in the thread about Xbox and WiiU sales (nothing to do with PC) is the Zero Punctuation pic of the "Glorious PC Master Race".

Y'all just insist o ...


Insecurity.

The worst part about PC gaming is the PC Gamer. The idea of playing against 100s of people at once is cool until you realize that most of these people are hardly people at all. They have no real life outside of the Internet and are not very pleasant company.
 
2012-12-07 12:55:02 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: that bosnian sniper: Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion.

You know, except for the fact that the human animal has better fine motor control when using their whole hand and fingers than they do with just their thumb. Simple biology is the limiting factor here, and it's why the really good FPS players on the PC all use mouse & keyboard instead of controllers, and it's why the few shooters out there that have allowed cross-platform play have had mouse & keyboard players beating the ever-loving snot out of the console players.


that bosnian sniper: Mouse and keyboard, by comparison, has remained largely stagnant.

And apparently you haven't gone shopping for a gaming keyboard or mouse in the last 10 years.


Yes, please let me spend $300 for a keyboard with cool WoW stickers on it! Yay PC Gaming!
 
2012-12-07 01:46:31 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The worst part about PC gaming is the PC Gamer. The idea of playing against 100s of people at once is cool until you realize that most of these people are hardly people at all. They have no real life outside of the Internet and are not very pleasant company.


You've never played on Xbox Live or PSN, have you?  Socially inept chunder-heads are hardly a species limited to PC gaming.
 
2012-12-07 06:10:11 PM  

Teufelaffe: Nemo's Brother: The worst part about PC gaming is the PC Gamer. The idea of playing against 100s of people at once is cool until you realize that most of these people are hardly people at all. They have no real life outside of the Internet and are not very pleasant company.

You've never played on Xbox Live or PSN, have you?  Socially inept chunder-heads are hardly a species limited to PC gaming.


Yeah, I think this thread has had enough shiat piled into it without turning this into who the worse Internet farkwads are. A farkwad is a farkwad whether he's playing a game boy or a PC gaming rig.
 
2012-12-07 08:04:00 PM  

mooseyfate: Teufelaffe: Nemo's Brother: The worst part about PC gaming is the PC Gamer. The idea of playing against 100s of people at once is cool until you realize that most of these people are hardly people at all. They have no real life outside of the Internet and are not very pleasant company.

You've never played on Xbox Live or PSN, have you?  Socially inept chunder-heads are hardly a species limited to PC gaming.

Yeah, I think this thread has had enough shiat piled into it without turning this into who the worse Internet farkwads are. A farkwad is a farkwad whether he's playing a game boy or a PC gaming rig.


Unless he's playing a Jaguar, then you know he's a potato farkwad.
 
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