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(Kotaku)   Bethesda finally listens to fans and adds a truly deadly enemy to the next Skyrim DLC. He only shows when you've hit the level cap and "he is the hardest enemy in the game by far, and no one has beaten him in their first one-on-one encounter"   (kotaku.com) divider line 269
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2012-12-05 04:46:03 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.

/Computer gamers = midlife crisis males that buy fast sports cars
//no one thinks your cool cause you have a nice computer


Well, you are a complete moron, but it has nothing to do with not being a PC gamer.

/People who biatch about PC gamers = self-righteous douche-rockets who feel insecure about their genitals
//no one thinks you're cool. That's it. No qualifiers. Just, no one thinks you're cool.
 
2012-12-05 04:53:29 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.

/Computer gamers = midlife crisis males that buy fast sports cars
//no one thinks your cool cause you have a nice computer

Well, you are a complete moron, but it has nothing to do with not being a PC gamer.

/People who biatch about PC gamers = self-righteous douche-rockets who feel insecure about their genitals
//no one thinks you're cool. That's it. No qualifiers. Just, no one thinks you're cool.


/

StrangeQ: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

ftfy


LOL, proving my point over and over.

Golf Clap
 
2012-12-05 04:57:24 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.

/Computer gamers = midlife crisis males that buy fast sports cars
//no one thinks your cool cause you have a nice computer

Well, you are a complete moron, but it has nothing to do with not being a PC gamer.

/People who biatch about PC gamers = self-righteous douche-rockets who feel insecure about their genitals
//no one thinks you're cool. That's it. No qualifiers. Just, no one thinks you're cool.


And I just want to add, that I came into this thread to hear a little bit about this expansion that came out, not a bunch of crybabies talking about their hate for console games or countless other things that are nothing to do with the game homo. Also, your location is hoth huh. You must get laid all the time.
 
2012-12-05 05:42:23 PM  
Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I have an XBox, a Wii, and a gaming PC I put together myself. I have a good number of games from Steam. I use all three of the devices frequently. Essentially, if I am playing something more casually, or a game I don't think will be particularly challenging, I will usually fire up the XBox. On the PC, I usually have the more time-consuming games, especially the strategy games like Total War and so on.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.
 
2012-12-05 05:43:36 PM  

archnem: that bosnian sniper:
You know, the guys who say destruction sucks in Skyrim.


Dude....destruction sucks in Skyrim. Especially on Master. Hell, the whole magic system is rather weak.


My dual cast Thunderbolt with Stagger perk disagrees.
 
2012-12-05 05:59:45 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I have an XBox, a Wii, and a gaming PC I put together myself. I have a good number of games from Steam. I use all three of the devices frequently. Essentially, if I am playing something more casually, or a game I don't think will be particularly challenging, I will usually fire up the XBox. On the PC, I usually have the more time-consuming games, especially the strategy games like Total War and so on.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.


I tried to raise that point earlier and got called a retard, so:

RETARD! What a farking idiot! Drown your children, you're too stupid to breed!

/Purists should have their feet held over a fire until they admit; in writing, with a notary and no less than 3 witnesses; that Virtual Boy was the pinnacle of gaming technology, and nothing will ever replace it.
 
2012-12-05 06:05:54 PM  

chewy milk: StrangeQ: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

ftfy

You should try touching boobs sometime. I think you might like it.


There are at least 6 mods on skyrimnexus that let you do just that... ;)
 
2012-12-05 06:07:49 PM  

NeoCortex42: I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.


They have ported Morrowind to Oblivion engine.

They are working on porting Morrowind to Skyrim Engine.
You can currently play it now, but it is new so I wouldn't expect it to be great. The oblivion port is mature.

Morrowblivion
 
2012-12-05 06:12:18 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.


I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.
 
2012-12-05 06:50:45 PM  

BumpInTheNight: chewy milk: StrangeQ: Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

ftfy

You should try touching boobs sometime. I think you might like it.

There are at least 6 mods on skyrimnexus that let you do just that... ;)


Ok that actually made me laugh. Hah nice
 
2012-12-05 06:55:26 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I have an XBox, a Wii, and a gaming PC I put together myself. I have a good number of games from Steam. I use all three of the devices frequently. Essentially, if I am playing something more casually, or a game I don't think will be particularly challenging, I will usually fire up the XBox. On the PC, I usually have the more time-consuming games, especially the strategy games like Total War and so on.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.


I have a PS2, a Wii, a PC, and a smartphone. Depending on my mood, I will play one of them, and it usually depends on which family member is currently gaming or otherwise using one of them. The SNES is hooked up, but I cannot find the controllers at the moment.

All the game systems have their place.
 
2012-12-05 07:02:51 PM  

meat0918: So...

They added Umbra back, but aren't calling it Umbra.

//Realize Umbra was pretty easy to kill, but I swear the Bearer always wore Ebony.


WE HAVE A WINNER!

/Wouldn't be surprised if they *DO* call him that in the game. 

//That or Dark Avenger from Daggerfall. Speaking of which; hey, Beth - we ever getting Daggerfall: Enhanced Edition?
 
2012-12-05 07:21:31 PM  

CygnusDarius: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!

I can understand the Thalmor, but, the Forsworn? They're farked by everyone, they just want their own kingdom.


Yeah, but they're often murderers. I would've helped their cause, but I didn't want to murder some poor bastard in his cell. Instead, I killed their "king" and took his key to escape Cidna Mine.
 
2012-12-05 07:38:38 PM  

Wayne 985: CygnusDarius: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!

I can understand the Thalmor, but, the Forsworn? They're farked by everyone, they just want their own kingdom.

Yeah, but they're often murderers. I would've helped their cause, but I didn't want to murder some poor bastard in his cell. Instead, I killed their "king" and took his key to escape Cidna Mine.


I killed both the king and the Silver-Blood guy during the escape with two back to back beheadings. Among my favourite killing ever in that game. Funnily enough, the Forsworn were still were friendly to me during the escape after I killed him.
 
2012-12-05 08:03:42 PM  

Wayne 985: CygnusDarius: Rose McGowan Loveslave: Oh on a side note:

Fark the Forsworn!!!!
and the Thalmor!!!

I can understand the Thalmor, but, the Forsworn? They're farked by everyone, they just want their own kingdom.

Yeah, but they're often murderers. I would've helped their cause, but I didn't want to murder some poor bastard in his cell. Instead, I killed their "king" and took his key to escape Cidna Mine.


It's befitting of my character that I hate them because they travel in numbers, yet carry so little worth my while.

/sneak-thief/assassin
 
2012-12-05 09:28:41 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: LOL, proving my point over and over.


Wait, your point was that we're much smarter and exponentially sexier than you are? Huh, I must have missed that part.


Nick Spiceyweiner: Also, your location is hoth huh. You must get laid all the time.


In fact, I do. I have a hot readhead for a wife, who puts out quite a bit. I also have three kids to prove I've gotten some; two grea...well, a great couple of sons, and Meg.
 
2012-12-05 10:34:46 PM  

roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.

I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.


Been there, done that. My son went two and a half years without sleeping through an entire night. I clearly remember the first night he slept all the way through, I jumped out of bed and ran into his room to see if he was dead/still there. During those two and a half years, he was up almost every two hours, with an hour or wakefulness/tossing and turning in between. When he was a baby, we had three breakfasts: one at 3, one at 5, and the "real" one at 8.

In the meantime, I played a lot of games on the PC.

/he was lactose intolerant the whole time, dammit, with a mild allergy to breastmilk
//learned that playing Amnesia at 1 in the morning is not the best way to mental health
 
2012-12-05 11:15:43 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.

I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.

Been there, done that. My son went two and a half years without sleeping through an entire night. I clearly remember the first night he slept all the way through, I jumped out of bed and ran into his room to see if he was dead/still there. During those two and a half years, he was up almost every two hours, with an hour or wakefulness/tossing and turning in between. When he was a baby, we had three breakfasts: one at 3, one at 5, and the "real" one at 8.

In the meantime, I played a lot of games on the PC.

/he was lactose intolerant the whole time, dammit, with a mild allergy to breastmilk
//learned that playing Amnesia at 1 in the morning is not the best way to mental health



I married a gamer-wife who does not want children. It's wonderful. We go to gaming cons together.
 
2012-12-06 07:26:17 AM  

Sid_6.7: whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.

I bought Torchlight 2 from Steam the day before launch. I also bought a Sega Collection for 360 on Black Friday. The only time I can sit down and play is after both my wife and 6 month old daughter are asleep. Since my daughter wakes up about every 1.5 to 2 hours (yes, I have only had 1 or 2 nights of continuous sleep in 6 months and my wife has had 0 in about 9 months due to the pregnancy), I get maybe an hour max if I time it right. For some reason, when I go to the computer room, my daughter wakes up in 15-20 minutes after I start, no matter how long she has been asleep. When I stay in bed and play on the Xbox, i generally get 45 minutes to an hour.

TL;DR - I think my daughter prefers consoles. She also may be the devil.

Been there, done that. My son went two and a half years without sleeping through an entire night. I clearly remember the first night he slept all the way through, I jumped out of bed and ran into his room to see if he was dead/still there. During those two and a half years, he was up almost every two hours, with an hour or wakefulness/tossing and turning in between. When he was a baby, we had three breakfasts: one at 3, one at 5, and the "real" one at 8.

In the meantime, I played a lot of games on the PC.

/he was lactose intolerant the whole time, dammit, with a mild allergy to breastmilk
//learned that playing Amnesia at 1 in the morning is not the best way to mental health


I married a gamer-wife who does not want childrenat this time. It's wonderful. We go to gaming cons together.


Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees.
 
2012-12-06 09:04:27 AM  

Ed Finnerty: A cazador wearing dragon bone armor?


Faster than a cat on speed and infinitely meaner, the only thing that is worse than a cazadore is a Giant Cazadore (and you run into one of those in Lonesome Hearts.)

Fark you, Obsidian Entertainment, fark you in the ear.
 
2012-12-06 09:35:19 AM  
Mah kitteh has just finished beating Alduin to death
with his fists (punchkats r fun). On the other hand, grinding sucks.
Pass. It can't be too long before the next Elder Scrolls installment,
can it?
 
2012-12-06 09:37:18 AM  
PC Gaming is superior in most cases. The problem is, PC gamers are known for massive amounts of pirating. PC gamers are also notoriously hard to please. When they aren't complaining about cross-overs, they're complaining about PC exclusives for one reason or another (usually the DRM meant to keep them from constantly pirating).

RTS and FPS are where mouse and keyboard are definitely superior. Other than that, a controller is just fine. In fact, it can be optimal for platformers and adventure games. It's more "ergonomic", whatever that means, but a keyboard is meant for typing, and can sort of be used for a gamepad, but ultimately the only reason that a mouse and keyboard set up is better than a controller for RTS and FPS is because the mouse more than makes up for the many deficiencies of the keyboard.

I like both. I can't keep up with modern computer gaming technology, so when I want to play a game that requires a lot of resources I use my XBox 360. It's good enough, and in some cases I prefer having a controller, just popping a game in, not worrying about whether I have too many other programs that I need to close to free up memory, etc.

And yes, I already own a computer, but it has to be a laptop (price to power ratio is necessarily not so great) and so I'm a few years behind the curve. Playing Darksiders, it would hiccup during the first boss fight and then just crashed. My XBox doesn't do that, and it cost less.

If money wasn't a problem and I could own three computers like I want to, then yes I would have a gaming rig with a giant monitor and awesome speakers and subwoofer that I would play on almost exclusively, because there is one huge advantage that PC games have: mods and addons, and all of that crap. You're not going to get Skywind on the XBox 360. Plus there are better deals on games for the PC.

If you're a PC elitist, and you disagree with me, it's only because you're wrong and you probably are either dumb, or you have a high IQ but you also have social (and/or emotional) problems.

Or the most likely case is all of the PC guys in here are trolls, who are just looking to piss of everyone else because they know it works and because part of them actually does resent console gamers and they want to do what they can to make those people's days just a little bit worse.

Why not just ignore them?
 
2012-12-06 09:41:47 AM  
Just curious, but is the Oghma glitch still working on the Xbox? I'd like to get a new char up to speed without having to grind to 81...
 
2012-12-06 09:56:44 AM  
You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.
 
2012-12-06 10:02:34 AM  
Actually, the biggest thing I would love to see from Bethesda for Skyrim is the ability to create a new character and skip all of the starting crap and just get to the game. Sure, the starting story, scenes, and events are cool the first time...maybe even the second time, but holy mother of god does it get tiresome after that. At least in Oblivion and Morrowind you could save your game just before you left the starting area and then just load from that game and choose the "change your selections" option to create whatever kind of new character you want. No such luck in Skyrim, since you don't get that one last "Are you sure this is what you want?" just before it lets you out into the game proper. Also, iirc, you can't save your game until you've finished the starting stuff.
 
2012-12-06 10:05:46 AM  

IrishFarmer: If you're a PC elitist, and you disagree with me, it's only because you're wrong and you probably are either dumb, or you have a high IQ but you also have social (and/or emotional) problems.


Unsubtle. 3/10.
 
2012-12-06 11:09:13 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees


In other words: "I used to be a child-less gaming parent like you, then I took a shiatty diaper to the knee".
 
2012-12-06 11:20:24 AM  

CygnusDarius: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees

In other words: "I used to be a child-less gaming parent like you, then I took a shiatty diaper to the knee".



She already brought up that she might want to have kids for hormonal reasons, and has asked that I make certain it does not happen when she's going through that sh*t.
 
2012-12-06 11:35:02 AM  

I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-06 11:37:33 AM  

Teufelaffe: Actually, the biggest thing I would love to see from Bethesda for Skyrim is the ability to create a new character and skip all of the starting crap and just get to the game. Sure, the starting story, scenes, and events are cool the first time...maybe even the second time, but holy mother of god does it get tiresome after that. At least in Oblivion and Morrowind you could save your game just before you left the starting area and then just load from that game and choose the "change your selections" option to create whatever kind of new character you want. No such luck in Skyrim, since you don't get that one last "Are you sure this is what you want?" just before it lets you out into the game proper. Also, iirc, you can't save your game until you've finished the starting stuff.


You are able to make a save right before the character creation, and after that long cart ride and whatnot. I found it by hitting start over and over during the last part (the beheadings).
 
2012-12-06 12:15:08 PM  

IrishFarmer: RTS and FPS are where mouse and keyboard are definitely superior. Other than that, a controller is just fine.


Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion. You can get every bit the responsiveness and fine control out of an analog controller for looking and aiming, and WASD absolutely cannot compare with an analog controller stick for freedom and control of movement.

Something, I'll note, which represents a clear contradiction in game design. Shooters that put premiums on movement and maneuvering (for example, UT) rarely come out on consoles (especially after the atrocity that was the UC series) and when they do are criminally undersold, under-advertised, underdeveloped and under-supported. The "modern shooter" games that put premiums on precise aiming and fine control were console vehicles. Moreover, consoles gave rise to the cover-based shooter, which is a sub-genre that does naught but shine on the PC given WASD's inferiority to an analog stick when it comes to movement.

For the fact we're at a technological point controllers could actually be superior to mouse-and-keyboard for shooter games, game developers don't seem to have idea one how to capitalize on that. Of course, with that said neither do consumers seem to be ready or willing to buy console games that do fully exploit the controllers' strengths as an input device, on consoles.

Moreover, you have the fact controllers and controller-based interfaces continue to improve, albeit incrementally. The next generation of controllers are implementing touchscreens and integrating full motion-sensitivity; those things may seem gimmicky now, and of questionable value...but so did the Sony dual analog stick when it was first released, especially after attempts to create analog sticks had failed terribly for the previous decade and a half (remember, the first analog controller was the Atari 5200's).

Mouse and keyboard, by comparison, has remained largely stagnant. Stagnant because there was little need to reinvent the wheel? Sure. Still, stagnant, and with little chance of mass improvement or revolution in its form. The best improvements to mouse-and-keyboard since it developed as a control scheme have been extra buttons and scroll wheels. With that said, it's not going anywhere for its utility.

The idea mouse and keyboard are still somehow nebulously superior to an analog stick for shooter games is an old canard that is counter-intuitively, and hell counter-factually, held onto like a security blanket by PC gamers to convince themselves of the superiority of their chosen platform.
 
2012-12-06 12:28:05 PM  

Sid_6.7: She already brought up that she might want to have kids for hormonal reasons, and has asked that I make certain it does not happen when she's going through that sh*t.


Yeah, good luck with that, sir.
 
2012-12-06 12:30:47 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: ***snip***


Ya, my daughter has no interest in me once she goes to bed since she is breastfed. If I come in when she is crying, she usually freaks out even more and constantly looks out her door for mom. Also, since my wife HAS to get up 98% of the time when my daughter cries at night, she gets irritated if she wakes up and I am gaming. Which I understand logically, but at the same time, I need my Shining Force time. Who will save the world if me and my small band of adventurers doesn't? No one, that's who.

///I also get a nice eye roll when I am playing MW2 and I tell her that she should be thankful that I am keeping the world safe from terrorists. Of course when I get pwned for the nth time she asks me who is going to save me from the terrorists as I seem really bad at it. I hate it when the snark student snarks the snark master.
 
2012-12-06 12:35:37 PM  

that bosnian sniper: IrishFarmer: RTS and FPS are where mouse and keyboard are definitely superior. Other than that, a controller is just fine.

Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion. You can get every bit the responsiveness and fine control out of an analog controller for looking and aiming, and WASD absolutely cannot compare with an analog controller stick for freedom and control of movement.

SNIP


Big, fat LOL. The xbox/PS3 controller is still way behind mounse+keyboard when it comes to aiming. The reason mouse+keyboard hasn't evolved is because it's the best control scheme we've found so far and there's nothing else out there that could represent even an incremental improvement.
 
2012-12-06 12:37:41 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion.


You know, except for the fact that the human animal has better fine motor control when using their whole hand and fingers than they do with just their thumb. Simple biology is the limiting factor here, and it's why the really good FPS players on the PC all use mouse & keyboard instead of controllers, and it's why the few shooters out there that have allowed cross-platform play have had mouse & keyboard players beating the ever-loving snot out of the console players.


that bosnian sniper: Mouse and keyboard, by comparison, has remained largely stagnant.


And apparently you haven't gone shopping for a gaming keyboard or mouse in the last 10 years.
 
2012-12-06 12:45:06 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Honestly, since the creation of dual analog controllers that are accurate and responsive, the two are about even for FPS games at least in my opinion. You can get every bit the responsiveness and fine control out of an analog controller for looking and aiming, and WASD absolutely cannot compare with an analog controller stick for freedom and control of movement.

.....snip....


Those are some good points. I still find that I have better control over my aiming with a mouse, but yes analog sticks are way better for having fine control over movement.

Keyboards weren't designed to play games, so the drawbacks there are obvious. Mice weren't designed to play games either, but since games require precision point-and-click sometimes, it became good for games. Keyboards are still just a giant block of keys, most of which are indistinguishable from each other underneath the hand.

For my money, a half-keyboard, half mouse doesn't get any better. However, the mouse will always have one major drawback: you have to lift it up and reposition it in order to continue to pan the camera in a circle. A control stick, you just hold it down and it keeps the camera moving.

This is especially important in FPS where you'll want to decrease the sensitivity in order to get an ideal precision to your aiming.
 
2012-12-06 12:46:17 PM  

IrishFarmer: For my money, a half-keyboard, half mouse doesn't get any better. However, the mouse will always have one major drawback: you have to lift it up and reposition it in order to continue to pan the camera in a circle. A control stick, you just hold it down and it keeps the camera moving.


*Half console controller, half mouse.
 
2012-12-06 12:54:29 PM  

Sid_6.7: CygnusDarius: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Enjoy it while it lasts. The tune has almost always changed among my buddies, and it is often pretty sudden (except for one woman who was unable to have kids). One day, she's all gaming conventions, and then a subtle hint about the future, and then POW! shiatty diapers up to your knees

In other words: "I used to be a child-less gaming parent like you, then I took a shiatty diaper to the knee".


She already brought up that she might want to have kids for hormonal reasons, and has asked that I make certain it does not happen when she's going through that sh*t.


Better schedule the vasectomy now, rather than when it hits.
 
2012-12-06 01:14:32 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.


At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.
 
2012-12-06 01:30:20 PM  

mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.

At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.


Oh, I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of having a computer system that is exponentially more powerful, updgradeable, configurable, and capable than consoles will ever be.

Add to that MS and Sony are likely going forward with their "you must have an always-on internet connection in order to play anything" plans for their new consoles. Aside from MMOs and pure multiplayer games, the number of PC games out there that require an always-on connection can be counted on the fingers of one shop teacher's hand. Also don't forget that MS and Sony are potentially making it so that you can't play used games on the new boxes by making users register their individual copies of each game.

But please, keep telling us how consoles are just going to get better and better and not turn into a glorified corporate presence in your home that won't let you do jack shiat on it without permission from the Powers That Be®. We're all ears.
 
2012-12-06 01:32:27 PM  

croesius: Just curious, but is the Oghma glitch still working on the Xbox? I'd like to get a new char up to speed without having to grind to 81...


Yes it still does: Link to Wiki 

Just ave often in case you misstep and screw it up.
 
2012-12-06 01:36:38 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.

At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.

Oh, I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of having a computer system that is exponentially more powerful, updgradeable, configurable, and capable than consoles will ever be.

Add to that MS and Sony are likely going forward with their "you must have an always-on internet connection in order to play anything" plans for their new consoles. Aside from MMOs and pure multiplayer games, the number of PC games out there that require an always-on connection can be counted on the fingers of one shop teacher's hand. Also don't forget that MS and Sony are potentially making it so that you can't play used games on the new boxes by making users register their individual copies of each game.

But please, keep telling us how consoles are just going to get better and better and not turn into a glorified corporate presence in your home that won't let you do jack shiat on it without permission from the Powers That Be®. We're all ears.


I'm not having this argument for the fiftieth farking time in this thread. Please go read some of my posts regarding the utterly retarded PC vs. console debate and realize how foolish you look railing against someone that isn't loyal to an inanimate object.

/do people with Real Dolls look at people that merely own Fleshlights the same way PC gamers look at console gamers?
//is there nothing in this world people won't try to lord over someone else's head just to feel better about themselves?
 
2012-12-06 01:49:34 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I created this alt just for this thread: You know how I know that PC gaming is better than console gaming?

Steam.

When consoles get the ability to have access to thousands of games, most at below retail, that the player has access to from multiple different machines and locations (without having to carry around discs or hardware), give me a call. Until then, PC gaming rules, console gaming drools.

At that time, I'm sure you'll find a different shrinking iceberg of PC superiority to cling to. Eventually, it's just going to you and the print screen button against the world.

Oh, I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of having a computer system that is exponentially more powerful, updgradeable, configurable, and capable than consoles will ever be.

Add to that MS and Sony are likely going forward with their "you must have an always-on internet connection in order to play anything" plans for their new consoles. Aside from MMOs and pure multiplayer games, the number of PC games out there that require an always-on connection can be counted on the fingers of one shop teacher's hand. Also don't forget that MS and Sony are potentially making it so that you can't play used games on the new boxes by making users register their individual copies of each game.

But please, keep telling us how consoles are just going to get better and better and not turn into a glorified corporate presence in your home that won't let you do jack shiat on it without permission from the Powers That Be®. We're all ears.


Your e-dick must be throbbing right now.

Seriously no one really gives a fark about the PC vs. Console debate except the "Glorious PC Master Race". I play both, but goddamn y'all show up in every single thread about video games to biatch about consoles. Hell the very Boobies in the thread about Xbox and WiiU sales (nothing to do with PC) is the Zero Punctuation pic of the "Glorious PC Master Race".

Y'all just insist on shiatting in every video game thread, even when it has nothing to do with PC vs. Console.
 
2012-12-06 01:50:22 PM  

mooseyfate: I'm not having this argument for the fiftieth farking time in this thread. Please go read some of my posts regarding the utterly retarded PC vs. console debate and realize how foolish you look railing against someone that isn't loyal to an inanimate object.

/do people with Real Dolls look at people that merely own Fleshlights the same way PC gamers look at console gamers?
//is there nothing in this world people won't try to lord over someone else's head just to feel better about themselves?


I've read your posts in this thread, and they boil down to:

"I don't have loyalty to an inanimate object...but PCs won't be superior to consoles forever, so you smug PC gamers are losers."

If you really think the whole debate is stupid, and you honestly don't have any loyalty to consoles or PCs, then you probably should have kept quiet.

And seriously, I don't need to lord anything over someone else to feel better about myself. My sense of self-worth has nothing to do with how I choose to entertain myself or how others choose to entertain themselves. I give the "OMG, CONSOLEZ R TEH BESTES!" people a hard time because they're really, really easy to get riled up, and I find that amusing. It's pretty much the same reason people play with their cat with a laser pointer. But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to say I look foolish, go right ahead, I don't mind.
 
2012-12-06 01:54:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I play both, but goddamn y'all show up in every single thread about video games to biatch about consoles.


We biatch about consoles for the same reason that intelligent, educated people across the country biatch about the Texas Board of Education. Namely, their stupidity is dragging everyone else down.
 
2012-12-06 02:00:36 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: mooseyfate: I'm not having this argument for the fiftieth farking time in this thread. Please go read some of my posts regarding the utterly retarded PC vs. console debate and realize how foolish you look railing against someone that isn't loyal to an inanimate object.

/do people with Real Dolls look at people that merely own Fleshlights the same way PC gamers look at console gamers?
//is there nothing in this world people won't try to lord over someone else's head just to feel better about themselves?

I've read your posts in this thread, and they boil down to:

"I don't have loyalty to an inanimate object...but PCs won't be superior to consoles forever, so you smug PC gamers are losers."

If you really think the whole debate is stupid, and you honestly don't have any loyalty to consoles or PCs, then you probably should have kept quiet.

And seriously, I don't need to lord anything over someone else to feel better about myself. My sense of self-worth has nothing to do with how I choose to entertain myself or how others choose to entertain themselves. I give the "OMG, CONSOLEZ R TEH BESTES!" people a hard time because they're really, really easy to get riled up, and I find that amusing. It's pretty much the same reason people play with their cat with a laser pointer. But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to say I look foolish, go right ahead, I don't mind.


Incorrect. My point never has been nor ever will be that one subset of gamer is better than the other. My point is that it doesn't matter why or what you play, games are supposed to be fun. If you play games on consoles and have fun, good for you. If you play games on PC and have fun, good for you. The entire PC vs. console argument is nothing but idiotic dick measuring from both sides. If I want to crack a joke about how relentlessly douchebaggish PC purists are along the way, then I will. Much like the rising tide of console ports, you'll get over it and continue to enjoy yourself.

/btw, your "I only do it for the lulz" rebuttal fools no one.
 
2012-12-06 02:03:41 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: scottydoesntknow: I play both, but goddamn y'all show up in every single thread about video games to biatch about consoles.

We biatch about consoles for the same reason that intelligent, educated people across the country biatch about the Texas Board of Education. Namely, their stupidity is dragging everyone else down.


But there is no reason for it. Save that shiat for the threads that actually deal with PC vs. Console (like a thread about a shiatty port or something).

Here we have a thread about Skyrim, and instead of actually talking about what you like/didn't like about the game, people are biatching about "PC vs. Console" and it's always the pure PC players that start it.

The PC players biatchy whining is what's dragging y'all down. Y'all are like the PETA of gaming. You had good points, but you're such douchebags about getting it across that people stop caring.
 
2012-12-06 02:05:47 PM  
Oh, and on the subject of console gamers being so riled up: All I needed to do to get you frothing at the mouth was make a joke about the print screen button. You are what you enjoy mocking.
 
2012-12-06 02:20:11 PM  

mooseyfate: Oh, and on the subject of console gamers being so riled up: All I needed to do to get you frothing at the mouth was make a joke about the print screen button. You are what you enjoy mocking.


Yup, totally riled up here. You sure got me! Why, I'm practically foaming at the mouth here.
si0.twimg.com
 
2012-12-06 02:24:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The PC players biatchy whining is what's dragging y'all down.


PC players biatching is why developers are dumbing games down in order to participate in the console market? Stellar logic there.
 
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