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2012-12-04 09:44:36 PM  

stpauler: vernonFL: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?

That someone named their kid Aven? Probably.


If it ends in "n" someone is naming their kid it.
 
2012-12-04 09:44:43 PM  
This is a special moment right now We'd like to take this time to tell all the kids at home Send your parents out of the room This is a kid's song
Life's gonna suck when you grow up When you grow up, when you grow up Life's gonna suck when you grow up It sucks pretty bad right now
Hey, if you know the words, sing along
You're gonna have to mow the lawn Do the dishes, make your bed You're gonna have to go to school Until you're seventeen
It's gonna seem about three times as long as that
You might have to go to war Shoot a gun, kill a nun You might have to go to war When you get outta school
Hey, cheer up kids, it gets a lot worse
You're gonna have to deal with stress Deal with stress, deal with stress You're gonna be a giant mess When you get back from the war
Santa Clause does not exist And there is no Easter Bunny You'll find out when you grow up That Big Bird isn't funny (Funny, funny, ya, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha)
Life's gonna suck when you grow up When you grow up, when you grow up Life's gonna suck when you grow up It sucks pretty bad right now
You're gonna wind up smoking crack On your back, face the fact You're gonna wind up hooked on smack And then you're gonna die
And then you're gonna die, hey, hey
 
2012-12-04 09:44:55 PM  

sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.


Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant
 
2012-12-04 09:45:17 PM  

WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".


The soulless assholes lying to their kids or the soulless assholes who don't? People keeping saying shiat like what you said, but they are never specific.
 
2012-12-04 09:45:49 PM  

BigNumber12: I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.


Fark should be ground zero for this long term clinical study.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:16 PM  
Summon Bevets?
 
2012-12-04 09:47:21 PM  
What the teacher says- "There is no Santa Claus"

What Fark reads- " There is no Jesus" Then they stand behind it obviously, because Athiest...man.

Two different things. I don't expect a teacher to nurture the idea of Santa Claus but I don't expect them to flat out debunk it either. It's not their place to make that call. If they don't like to propiagate it then just ignore it and teach from the textbook like you're supposed to.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:27 PM  

diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant


Wouldn't communism be people telling the teachers what they can and can't tell the kids regarding truth and reality?
 
2012-12-04 09:47:44 PM  

sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

To scoff

 
2012-12-04 09:48:33 PM  

Blue_Blazer: diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant

Wouldn't communism be people telling the teachers what they can and can't tell the kids regarding truth and reality?


you mean our government isn't doing that already?

/all governments do that actually...
 
2012-12-04 09:48:46 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


I came to drop a "in before some attention whoring idiot says something like this" and lo and behold, in the boobies. Good jorb, attention whoring idiot
 
2012-12-04 09:49:27 PM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: Summon Bevets?

To mis-metaphor.


P.S. I fear for you religionists, really. What happens when your organized word/world gets disorganized?
 
2012-12-04 09:50:07 PM  
DNR all of TFT.

I'm a proud skeptic, and I'm all for teaching kids how to distinguish between bullshiat and fantasy, and I like fantasy as well. But I see the Santa thing as a sort of cultural initiation. At a very young age, it brings to kids a sense of wonder and whimsy that I find delightful. It's something most of us went through at some time in our lives, and it's something we pass on, like a camping or scouting "snipe hunt". We know it's not real, but it's fun to watch the young ones believe, if just for a little while. It brings as much pleasure to the adults as it does to the children.

Whether parents or teachers tell them or not, they eventually figure it out, and many go on to tell their kids the same thing. Some parents are completely up front, saying "I got these presents for you because I wanted you to have them", and some go the Santa route. I don't see a problem with either, but I think it was kind of a dick move for the teacher to do that.
 
2012-12-04 09:50:10 PM  

BigNumber12: I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.


For most of history, children were trained at a young age to be little adults. Made sense, they didn't live long. They were also raised in fear. Santa used to beat the crap out of bad children. Also makes sense. Needed to have them fear and respect authority at a young age.

No, I think it is just the opposite. Our culture now puts too much value on childhood. On creating a safe, sanitized, fantasy world for youth. It only makes sense that it now extends to such a late age: Reality is scary.
 
2012-12-04 09:50:46 PM  
Before marriage: Make believe - Santa Claus.

After Divorce: Reality - Mrs. Claws.
 
2012-12-04 09:51:10 PM  

diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant


I live in China, so I'm getting a kick out of your post.
 
2012-12-04 09:52:07 PM  

Indubitably: Life_is_a_carnivore: Summon Bevets?

To mis-metaphor.

P.S. I fear for you religionists, really. What happens when your organized word/world gets disorganized?


P.P.S. Will you panic?

P.P.P.S. Don't panic. Be human and respectful of each other.

P.P.P.P.S. I learn as I go.

P.P.P.P.P.S. We learn as we go. Let's love...
 
2012-12-04 09:52:17 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant

I live in China, so I'm getting a kick out of your post.


good for you... you recognize it for what it is then

/or do you?
 
2012-12-04 09:52:20 PM  

Blue_Blazer: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".

The soulless assholes lying to their kids or the soulless assholes who don't? People keeping saying shiat like what you said, but they are never specific.


The soulless douchebags that would rob a 5 year old kid of some of the magic of childhood.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:40 PM  

diaphoresis: you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about


Also, this

upload.wikimedia.org

seems to fit that statement.
 
2012-12-04 09:54:20 PM  

Blue_Blazer: SuperNinjaToad: Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.

wouldn't that be worst for them psychologically at that age? ........ that your love for them is based on material gifts?

Gifts have been an expression of affection since, well, the first gift ever. That's what gifts are, tokens of affection. I suppose I could try it the old-fashioned way, where my beating the shiat out of them is because I love them, but I like my way better.


wow! really? I didn't know parenting to be such simple endevor as a matter of just simply choosing between bearing gifts and/or physical abuse.

No wonder so many kids in America today grow up to become either violent sociopaths or self entitled greedy selfish pricks or maybe a combination of both.

In all seriousness though, if you think just giving them material things is the primary show of your love and affection as parents you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:06 PM  
TJWB

(Typical Jehovah Witness Behavior)
 
2012-12-04 09:55:26 PM  

diaphoresis: good for you... you recognize it for what it is then


Which "it?"

Santa Claus? A symbol of giving.

China? Not Communist. Authoritarian.

You? Confused.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:30 PM  
Why do so many teachers seem to need their ass kicked?

And they want to raise my taxes to hire more....
 
2012-12-04 09:55:38 PM  
Look out for Krampus
 
2012-12-04 09:56:13 PM  

chunderboy: "Also, children, that good monster who stays in your room at night to keep you safe from the bad monsters? Not real. There's no bad monster, either; it's just a silly fear based on your developing mind's simplistic understanding that you are an insignificant speck with no ability to control your surroundings.

"And your cousin who died in Afghanistan? Yeah, I know your parents told you he died bravely, but they were lying. His last moments were consumed with fear, and he was screaming for his mommy while his buddies tried to stuff his guts back in. Then he peed himself and died. He came home in a full-sized coffin, but that wasn't really necessary.

"Okay kids, nap time!"


Ouch.
 
2012-12-04 09:57:38 PM  

WhippingBoy: Blue_Blazer: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".

The soulless assholes lying to their kids or the soulless assholes who don't? People keeping saying shiat like what you said, but they are never specific.

The soulless douchebags that would rob a 5 year old kid of some of the magic of childhood.


yeah, that's pretty douchey. Right now I am looking at our tree and remembering the excitement of Christmas Eve and how it was keeping me up but I knew I had to go to sleep because Santa was coming and fun and frustrating it was at the same time. EABOD, teacher and the rest of your joyless psuedo-rational buzzkills.
 
2012-12-04 09:58:06 PM  

The Muthaship: Why do so many teachers seem to need their ass kicked?

And they want to raise my taxes to hire more....


Overpaid babysitters, amirite?

Ignorant people disparaging teachers and education. Could these be related?
 
2012-12-04 09:58:38 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: good for you... you recognize it for what it is then

Which "it?"

Santa Claus? A symbol of giving.

China? Not Communist. Authoritarian.

You? Confused.


hahahaha
www.bryanprindiville.com
 
2012-12-04 09:58:56 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about

Also, this

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x186]

seems to fit that statement.


"Too old", she seems to say
 
2012-12-04 09:59:07 PM  

sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.


2+2=4 is the teachers business

Crapping on a kids beliefs (no matter how fantastical they are) isn't.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:22 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.

I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.



Never lie to kids about anything. They're not stupid, and it's a sure way to have them lose respect for you - possibly forever.

It's okay to be unintentionally wrong - so long as you own up to it when you discover your error, but there is a difference between being wrong and lying, and they know it.

Make the next generation better than this one. The world could stand improvement.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:29 PM  

WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".



You've just graduated from red to orange.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:49 PM  
i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?
 
2012-12-04 10:00:19 PM  

pxlboy: Ignorant people disparaging teachers and education. Could these be related?


My mom is a retired teacher, and I have a doctorate. I also have three kids in private school.

If you aren't alarmed at the sad state of America's educators, I'm happy for you that you don't have that worry
 
2012-12-04 10:01:12 PM  

enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?


I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:01:24 PM  

Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?


Are you intimating are reference to slavery? If so, you had best be old enough to have been materially wronged in that manner or STFU and stop projecting. History? I know it well. Stop trying to be sly, it does not suit you, your wit is not that sharp so as to be considered clever.

And I have used the phrase "get you azz over here boy" to many youths I have mentored in the I.T. field.
/because nearly every one of them are young enough to be considered "boys" or "girls" to me, and I look after them as I would my own child. I would fight (and have fought) tooth and nail to help them earn their keep and position.

Mocking jest: how does that work?
/sense-of-humor, it goes a long way to being a human with a heart
 
2012-12-04 10:01:55 PM  

BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".


You've just graduated from red to orange.


Don't you mean Orange to Red?
captaintightpants.com
 
2012-12-04 10:02:44 PM  

The Muthaship: pxlboy: Ignorant people disparaging teachers and education. Could these be related?

My mom is a retired teacher, and I have a doctorate. I also have three kids in private school.

If you aren't alarmed at the sad state of America's educators, I'm happy for you that you don't have that worry


To build a new school requires bold talk and serious walk...

I'm walkin'.

*)
 
2012-12-04 10:03:15 PM  

Amos Quito: Krymson Tyde: Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.

I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.


Never lie to kids about anything. They're not stupid, and it's a sure way to have them lose respect for you - possibly forever.

It's okay to be unintentionally wrong - so long as you own up to it when you discover your error, but there is a difference between being wrong and lying, and they know it.

Make the next generation better than this one. The world could stand improvement.



Addendum: The above was addressed to PARENTS.

Teachers? Mind your own business - but DON'T LIE. "I don't know" is an acceptable answer.
 
2012-12-04 10:04:11 PM  

gja: And I have used the phrase "get you azz over here boy" to many youths I have mentored in the I.T. field.


Were they brown?

HR might have a problem with that.
 
2012-12-04 10:04:36 PM  

gja: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?

Are you intimating are reference to slavery? If so, you had best be old enough to have been materially wronged in that manner or STFU and stop projecting. History? I know it well. Stop trying to be sly, it does not suit you, your wit is not that sharp so as to be considered clever.

And I have used the phrase "get you azz over here boy" to many youths I have mentored in the I.T. field.
/because nearly every one of them are young enough to be considered "boys" or "girls" to me, and I look after them as I would my own child. I would fight (and have fought) tooth and nail to help them earn their keep and position.

Mocking jest: how does that work?
/sense-of-humor, it goes a long way to being a human with a heart


P.S. Your credibility was not enhanced by your prologue, for the record.
 
2012-12-04 10:05:55 PM  

pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.


I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?
 
2012-12-04 10:07:05 PM  

Blue_Blazer: I have a 2yo. First time parent. Wife loves Christmas and Santa and stuff, whereas I really think it's a bunch of crap. I was having this conversation with my dad just the other day. He went on and on about how my sister and I loved the whole Santa thing, but how I figured it out. He starts in with the usual "oh what's the harm it's all in good fun." So I waited, and then I finally made my point:

When children figure out their parents have been lying to them their whole life, they ask themselves the next logical question:
If my parents have been lying to me about this, what ELSE have they been lying to me about?

Pretty sure my kid is gonna be that one that ruins Christmas for all the kids in his class, and I am going to get some nasty phone calls from the school and from other parents.


Nah, your kid will be the one who gets stabbed in kindergarten.
 
2012-12-04 10:08:42 PM  

diaphoresis: BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".


You've just graduated from red to orange.

Don't you mean Orange to Red?
[captaintightpants.com image 500x404]


First hearty laugh of this miserable thread. Thanks. Now i'm off to watch Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer with Burl Ives as Frosty. They are real right?
 
2012-12-04 10:08:53 PM  

skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?


Your sentence is impaired.
 
2012-12-04 10:08:54 PM  

Somacandra: Mugato: Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.

Nice strawman there. Nice and fluffy.


careful, Mugato has some serious Denial Fu goin on...
 
2012-12-04 10:08:57 PM  

kg2095: Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.

That teacher has robbed those children of their childhoods.


If by "childhood" you mean the age where it's adorable to be gullible, fark you.
 
2012-12-04 10:09:11 PM  
In Massachusetts, if you say "Christmas" in public school, people look at you like you lit an arab and a jew on fire at the same time.
 
2012-12-04 10:10:17 PM  
CONGO DESTROYED BY METEOR STRIKE = 6 comments

SANTA NOT REAL = infinity by morning


/love fark....
 
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