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2012-12-04 08:33:52 PM  
The My Little Pony Killer:

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.

/Troll - 3/10

You cannot prove that Thor doesn't exist. Ditto Zeus. Ditto for The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Allah, Atlantis, the Loch Ness Monster, Vampires, Ghosts, Dragons, that Elvis is still alive, Aliens, and an infinite set of other gods, demons, angels, etc.

Your logic is retarded and broken. Most people here know that you can't prove a negative.

If half the kids in the class learn from this to recognize the difference between verifiable or plausible reality and imagination - and that most adults are liars - then the teacher should be given a teacher of the decade award.
 
2012-12-04 08:33:58 PM  

James F. Campbell: Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Huh. Never seen you before. Never will again.


let us dream. let us hope and wonder.
 
2012-12-04 08:34:18 PM  
I told my kids that it is fun to pretend there is a Santa. That worked out fine. Now our favorite Santa is the one in the movie "Rare Exports." According to my kids that is the Santa they are going to tell their kids about!
 
2012-12-04 08:34:43 PM  

mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.


Not robots, just people who have never been parents.
 
2012-12-04 08:34:45 PM  

lewismarktwo: Kids are dumb, they need a reason not to set the cat on fire.


I told my children very early on to shout "FOR SCIENCE!" before they do anything that anybody would find questionable.
 
2012-12-04 08:35:19 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: Indubitably: It's actually possible to be respectful to each other, but online, that filter appears to be lost...

To app

*)

none of us are 'here together' and no one can find anyone else to smack them in the mouth. so, we get true honesty. and trolls.


"...true honesty?"

"Seriously?"
 
2012-12-04 08:35:25 PM  
When I was six my brother came home from school and informed me that Santa Claus was dead. Apparently he was on a boat in a storm and was struck by lightning.

I don't remember when I found out he wasn't real. It didn't really matter after that...
 
2012-12-04 08:35:27 PM  

Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.


I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.
 
2012-12-04 08:35:47 PM  

Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.


Particularly when those people are government employees
 
2012-12-04 08:35:50 PM  

Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.


I'm at a loss here, because I agree with both of you to an extent. Plus, I didnt rtfa yet.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:05 PM  

jtown: As a former child, I recall a period of bitter resentment as I discovered lie after lie.

My friends and I went through a period like that in elementary school. There was a teacher who was the favorite of students in the school. He always knew how to explain things and had lots of patience and remembered students blah blah blah. He was the "go to" guy for us unlike most of the other teachers.

Anyway, one day he was gone and there was a substitute teacher who dodged questions about what happened so we didn't know why he was gone. They just said our parents would talk to us. So, my parents as well as others had little chats with us about death and how he was gone to a better place and all that and we pretty much got over it being kids with short attention spans and all.

That summer, a group of us had some money so we went to a grocery store to get some candy and we noticed a really weird guy with strange noises coming out of his mouth talking to someone and then he started walking towards us with a completely identical walk like a zombie and half of his face was pretty much just hanging down and he's waving at us.

We started screaming because not only did we think we saw a zombie, one of us noticed the resemblance to our teach so not only was the undead coming after us, it was our teacher risen from the grave. Pretty darned traumatizing to kids.

So, of course we ran away and went to one of our friends parents and told him what happened and he said it couldn't be true that we imagined it and the teacher was gone. Over the next few days this was repeated to us until someone's older brother/whatever told us the truth: our teacher had had a massive stroke and that all of the parents had lied to us.

To make things worse, even when confronted with the truth that they had all lied many stuck to it.

Parents can go full retard hiding things from kids. If they had have explained a stroke maybe we wouldn't have understood but we'd get the "he's very sick" idea and could have made him lots of cards and such for him to have. Instead, they just wrote him off for dead and disillusioned quite a few of us to the honesty we assumed adults had with us.

And, it was just plainly retarded for them to not realize we'd run into him eventually.

That said, I'm totally cool with like the tooth fairy. Kids know they aren't supposed to start spontaneously bleed and lose body parts so when they're really young an explanation of "how it works" isn't likely to get through.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:08 PM  
I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?
 
2012-12-04 08:36:20 PM  
Let kids believe in magic for at least a little while, before they grow up and realize that humanity is generally ugly and selfish. They don't get to use Christmas as an excuse to drink too much, at least let them have fairy tales.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:34 PM  

ColSanders: mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

Not robots, just people who have never been parents lonely neckbeards who make 4channers look parental and responsible.

 
2012-12-04 08:36:49 PM  

Slesfo: Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception.


which is why I am having trouble with the people in the article and in this thread who are making the comparison between telling a child Santa doesn't exist and telling one that God doesn't exist. I have stated many times that the reason I call myself an atheist even though I "can't prove a negative" is that for me not believing in a god is like not believing in Santa, which is logically consistent. However, it is people that actually believe in God and that don't believe in Santa (one hopes) that are making the comparison between the two.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:54 PM  
Butt-Head Jerk
*Checks article*
Jake it's, Texas
 
2012-12-04 08:36:57 PM  
Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.
 
2012-12-04 08:37:34 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.


Not a Sagittarius, obviously.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:25 PM  
To cessate
 
2012-12-04 08:38:33 PM  
it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason
 
2012-12-04 08:38:37 PM  

Blue_Blazer: I have a 2yo. First time parent. Wife loves Christmas and Santa and stuff, whereas I really think it's a bunch of crap. I was having this conversation with my dad just the other day. He went on and on about how my sister and I loved the whole Santa thing, but how I figured it out. He starts in with the usual "oh what's the harm it's all in good fun." So I waited, and then I finally made my point:

When children figure out their parents have been lying to them their whole life, they ask themselves the next logical question:
If my parents have been lying to me about this, what ELSE have they been lying to me about?

Pretty sure my kid is gonna be that one that ruins Christmas for all the kids in his class, and I am going to get some nasty phone calls from the school and from other parents.


Why are you still talking to you dad? He is a liar and did you a disservice all for his own selfish gain.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:40 PM  
Someone was doubting Konsumer Klaus lives? Oh no my friends, he is alive and well.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:48 PM  
Hm.

I guess the pertinent question is: Why does man cling to myths? Why does he wish for his offspring to do so, as well?
 
2012-12-04 08:41:17 PM  

timujin: Slesfo: Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception.

which is why I am having trouble with the people in the article and in this thread who are making the comparison between telling a child Santa doesn't exist and telling one that God doesn't exist. I have stated many times that the reason I call myself an atheist even though I "can't prove a negative" is that for me not believing in a god is like not believing in Santa, which is logically consistent. However, it is people that actually believe in God and that don't believe in Santa (one hopes) that are making the comparison between the two.


Oh, i see what you're talking about. I'm not making the comparison. I'm referencing critics of Christianity who DO make the comparison. I think it's a terribly invalid comparison (an argument for another time), but it's the comparison that Critics use, and it's the comparison that people who leave Christianity often use.
 
2012-12-04 08:41:47 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.
 
2012-12-04 08:42:03 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason

So what?


It's a sign of respect for each other, a "watching out for" when we might not mean it even in the moment but overall we'd get it on for, no dashes, should it be a crime to show respect to each other? No. To respect
 
2012-12-04 08:42:22 PM  

Ace Rimmer: mekki: sendtodave: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.

They're five year olds. They believe in childish things because they ARE children.

Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

And figuring out the truth of Santa on their own is a right of passage of sorts.

The sting of finding out Santa is a lie is almost always softened by finding out it is a lie for the "little kids" and now that they are "big kids" they get to be in on the secret too.


Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."
 
2012-12-04 08:43:22 PM  

Gunny Highway: haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason

I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.


You two, no shiat?

Word.
 
2012-12-04 08:43:41 PM  

ColSanders: mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

Not robots, just people who have never been parents.


One's capacity for accepting bullshiat increases after they get older and have kids?

Yeah, that jives with my observations.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:03 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


When I say "bless you" (not "god bless you") I intend it as a blessing from me meant to convey my hope for the person's good health. I take it the same way from others and that's my farking reason for thanking them.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:22 PM  

possumchild: I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?


If asked, the response might be "Ask your parent(s) when you get home"
Not the teachers place to just come out with that statement unasked, as seems to be the case here.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:44 PM  
Indubitably: I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.

I know this class you should take!
 
2012-12-04 08:45:52 PM  

Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.

Not a Sagittarius, obviously.


Why, are they lucky? I don't need luck. I'm a Leo. We's just naturally soop supper souperio better.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:30 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


They are attempting to be polite. I will thank them for their attempt at being polite. The same way that when someone says, "God bless," I say something like, "and you." I don't believe in their mythological gibberish, but I appreciate their intent of wishing me well and will reciprocate the sentiment within their silly context. If the idiom has got a religious connotation or not doesn't matter much.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."


noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood

"Mommy, where do Christmas presents come from?"

"Santa Claus brings them!"

That is a lie.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:58 PM  
Should have told the whole truth about it being a way to pass on psychedelic mushroom rituals by pagans when their celebration of the winter equinox was usurped by the Christians.
 
2012-12-04 08:48:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Oh, ffs.

There is a big difference between letting little kids have their fantasies about Santa Claus and "lying to kids about God." Guess what: Kids figure out, about age six or seven, that Santa is fake. Often before that, but it's fun for a year or two to pretend you believe in Santa because WHAT IF..... Then there's the year or two that they don't believe in Santa but "We have to pretend because little brother or sister still thinks Santa is real" and it makes them feel all grown up to pretend with the adults for the "babies." (When they're all of 7 or 8)

Pretending like you're enlightening a five-year old because YOU in your adult, non-fantastical, non-religious way, have decided children should not live in a world of lies, it's time to put away childish things, conflating god with Santa, or whatever justification you use for killing the joy in a child's life, is not your call. Five is not a good age to be questioning either god or Santa. Five needs a few absolutes like Disney princesses and Santa Claus. And anyway, it's not up to some substitute kindergarten teacher to make that decision for them.

Ask yourself: Are these kids better off now that someone told them there is no Santa? Are they really going to now decide (at age 5) that there is no god and no Jesus and that Cinderella is really just a marketing tool? Do you think that really makes that much difference in a kid's life, except to ruin a holiday for them?


slowclap.jpg

/fully expected to find some dicks in this thread
//found them
 
2012-12-04 08:48:19 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


One of these things is not like the other...
 
2012-12-04 08:48:25 PM  

sendtodave: Gyrfalcon: Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."

noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood

"Mommy, where do Christmas presents come from?"

"Santa Claus brings them!"

That is a lie.


Are all lies bad?
 
2012-12-04 08:48:34 PM  

sendtodave: Hm.

I guess the pertinent question is: Why does man cling to myths? Why does he wish for his offspring to do so, as well?


Cause one day they will need to believe in something.....like finding a job, dating a good looking girl, getting out of the basemetn and into their own apartment, 3$ a gallon gas, being able to pick a grenade up and throw it out of the fox hole before it explodes....... 

you want them to be optimistic....
 
2012-12-04 08:49:27 PM  

minarke: Indubitably: I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.

I know this class you should take!


Nice try, but I didn't say that, the other guy did. Try again, asshole. Next time, I'm coming to find you to test you.

*)
 
2012-12-04 08:49:29 PM  
Question for parents: Is it OK when your child lies to you? Makes up unbelievable falsehoods to justify their actions?
 
2012-12-04 08:49:31 PM  

sendtodave: ColSanders: mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

Not robots, just people who have never been parents.

One's capacity for accepting bullshiat increases after they get older and have kids?

Yeah, that jives with my observations.


Well shiat does come out of the kid that they personally have to deal with.
 
2012-12-04 08:49:41 PM  

Gunny Highway: Blue_Blazer: I have a 2yo. First time parent. Wife loves Christmas and Santa and stuff, whereas I really think it's a bunch of crap. I was having this conversation with my dad just the other day. He went on and on about how my sister and I loved the whole Santa thing, but how I figured it out. He starts in with the usual "oh what's the harm it's all in good fun." So I waited, and then I finally made my point:

When children figure out their parents have been lying to them their whole life, they ask themselves the next logical question:
If my parents have been lying to me about this, what ELSE have they been lying to me about?

Pretty sure my kid is gonna be that one that ruins Christmas for all the kids in his class, and I am going to get some nasty phone calls from the school and from other parents.

Why are you still talking to you dad? He is a liar and did you a disservice all for his own selfish gain.


I know, but he's helped me financially and he's a pretty good guy. He also believes in sky wizard but I still love him.
 
2012-12-04 08:50:32 PM  
My God! All of you helicopter parents proclaiming the children should never be lied to. You lie to them every day, if not every hour. Spinach gave Popeye super strength. Should they not watch that cartoon? Bugs Bunny could talk...rabbits can't talk. Since when was letting a kid unleash his/her imagination unhealthy? And yes...this is for all of you adults that slept with a lottery ticket under your pillow dreaming of winning the big $500mil. Give your kids a break and let them be kids for Christ's sake.
 
2012-12-04 08:51:05 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


You are sooooo good looking
 
2012-12-04 08:51:17 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.

Not a Sagittarius, obviously.

Why, are they lucky? I don't need luck. I'm a Leo. We's just naturally soop supper souperio better.


To be a lion in life while cosmologically not: discuss veracity.
 
2012-12-04 08:51:34 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."


You ever eat a plate of cookies your encouraged your kid to leave out for Bilbo and then later tell 'em that you're sure he enjoyed them? It's the mixing of story and reality that's the deception. Doesn't quite have the malice to be a "lie", but you're intentionally encouraging them to continue thinking what you know to be untrue.

/Be considerate
//Put them on a low table
 
2012-12-04 08:51:42 PM  

Slesfo: timujin: Slesfo: Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception.

which is why I am having trouble with the people in the article and in this thread who are making the comparison between telling a child Santa doesn't exist and telling one that God doesn't exist. I have stated many times that the reason I call myself an atheist even though I "can't prove a negative" is that for me not believing in a god is like not believing in Santa, which is logically consistent. However, it is people that actually believe in God and that don't believe in Santa (one hopes) that are making the comparison between the two.

Oh, i see what you're talking about. I'm not making the comparison. I'm referencing critics of Christianity who DO make the comparison. I think it's a terribly invalid comparison (an argument for another time), but it's the comparison that Critics use, and it's the comparison that people who leave Christianity often use.


Sorry, I think I was unclear. I didn't mean you were making the comparison, rather just expounding on the point about the two arguments.
 
2012-12-04 08:52:08 PM  

Indubitably: haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason

So what?

It's a sign of respect for each other, a "watching out for" when we might not mean it even in the moment but overall we'd get it on for, no dashes, should it be a crime to show respect to each other? No. To respect


so it would be more appropiate when we fart
 
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