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(Houston Press)   Teacher to 5-year-olds: There is no Santa Claus   (blogs.houstonpress.com ) divider line
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2012-12-04 07:53:26 PM  
I want to infinitive, but I won't.
 
2012-12-04 07:54:24 PM  
The mother said another parent told her that a second teacher assigned her students to draw two pictures on a piece of paper, one of something real, and the other of something imaginary. When the student started drawing Santa on the "real" side of the page, the teacher said Saint Nick belonged on the fake side.

Namby pamby hand-holding new-age nonsense. Let the girl finish her assignment, turn it in and give her the F for being 50% correct. That's how learning works; you have to let them make mistakes.
 
2012-12-04 07:54:26 PM  
Stop lying to your farking children about a mascot being real and there won't be a problem.
 
2012-12-04 07:54:37 PM  
Yes there is.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:07 PM  
It's actually possible to be respectful to each other, but online, that filter appears to be lost...

To app

*)
 
2012-12-04 07:55:23 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...


The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:55 PM  

Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.


Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:57 PM  
The mom emailed a complaint to the principal, who told he that she has reprimanded the teacher and given her the "tools to deal with this situation" in the future.

They read the e-mail out loud in the breakroom, all of them had a good laugh at the asshat parent and the principal then told her what she wanted to hear and got back to more important things.
 
2012-12-04 07:56:56 PM  
Wasn't the teachers place to tell the kids that. What beliefs the kids/family have is none of her damn business.
It's one thing to figure it out themselves, but for an adult to "smash the dream" sucks.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:07 PM  

Mija: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


The non-existence of deities does not require belief. It is a simple basic fact.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:30 PM  
See what happens when Republicans step into the classroom? They go making the kids all bootstrappy!
 
2012-12-04 07:57:30 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


I'd be OK with people learning to spell "atheist". If that ever happened I'd believe in a god.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:31 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.


Well, my wife is almost that age, and she certainly believes that I will, as you put it, "squeeze myself through her chimney once a year." If it's a good year, I'll do it twice.

/I suppose I could be jollier, or fatter
//Is Westchester County near the top of the planet?
 
2012-12-04 07:57:41 PM  
A lie?

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-04 07:58:17 PM  
/ho-ho-hot
 
2012-12-04 07:58:38 PM  

Mija: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


Casting stones in this glass house of earth is dangerous, for all the panes are just one tink from breaking, and if that happens, your calculus just differentiated. *)
 
2012-12-04 07:58:44 PM  
It's a pretty dick move. It's one thing to accidentally blurt it out, it's another to go into details about the deception. I mean, FFS, the kids are 5 years old. Let them believe in something nice before they grow up to realize that the world is a gigantic shiathole just waiting to crush their dreams.
 
2012-12-04 07:58:48 PM  

Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.


Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.
 
2012-12-04 07:59:24 PM  
I never believed in Santa Claus. When I was four I told the other kids he wasn't real. The adults were mortified. It seems I was born to piss on your fantasies.
 
2012-12-04 07:59:28 PM  

ProfessorOhki: /ho-ho-hot


Son of a...
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-04 08:01:13 PM  
Texas, where Santa Claus is fake, but a big all seeing man who lives in the clouds invented everything ever in 7 days, and humans rode around on dinosaurs.

Makes sense, they do have the highest drop out rate, guessing their qualifications to become a teacher are probably pretty damn low.
 
2012-12-04 08:01:22 PM  
What a self-righteous douche of a lady.

Like a few of my fellow Farkers here ... God bless you, and don't ever change, you exquisite douchelords!
 
2012-12-04 08:02:17 PM  
I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Anyway, my favorite thing to tell members of my church who think that it's adorable to tell kids about Santa is that many people point to their disillusionment about Santa as the first step in their turning away from God, and that by telling them lies about Santa Claus, you demonstrate that you care more about your own amusement than the spiritual destiny of your child.
 
2012-12-04 08:02:36 PM  

Mija: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


LOL @ "atheism is a religion"
 
2012-12-04 08:02:36 PM  

minoridiot: I've never lied to my kids about Santa.


I don't recall if I did or not. But my son's 22 now and doesn't seem to have trust issues.
 
2012-12-04 08:03:03 PM  

skinink: Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?


1.bp.blogspot.com
"You can't fool me, there ain't no Sanity Clause!"
 
2012-12-04 08:03:04 PM  

Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.

Lernaeus: Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.


Thank you
 
2012-12-04 08:05:30 PM  

Godscrack: Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. - Voltaire

Gotta get 'em while they're young. That way, reasons for waging war seem much more believable.


Nonsense. Santa Claus teaches kids to question authority. They all find out well before puberty.
 
2012-12-04 08:05:33 PM  
To imagine
 
2012-12-04 08:05:35 PM  

kg2095: Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.

That teacher has robbed those children of their childhoods.


Oh boo hoo. She's not raping them.
 
2012-12-04 08:06:15 PM  
I guess the Hero tag took a trip to the North Pole. People need to stop justifying lying to their children.

Oh wait. Religion.


Nuts.
 
2012-12-04 08:07:19 PM  

Indubitably: To imagine


P.S. This was b4 being plugged in. Back in the day, we used to imagine everything. In our heads. For serious.
 
2012-12-04 08:07:24 PM  
Mija needs to grab a dictionary and look up "atheist" before they jump into any further conversations on the matter.
 
2012-12-04 08:08:00 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Well......there isn't. However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids. I stopped believing in Santa when I was 7, only because I figured out the handwriting on my gift tags was my mom's, and the handwriting on my sister's gift tags was my dad's. She was 2, so they kept putting "From: Santa" on hers, but after that they'd just put "From: Mom & Dad" on mine. It never bothered them that I found them out; I think they would have been hurt if I'd found the presents early or something.

Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.


This.
 
2012-12-04 08:08:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mija needs to grab a dictionary and look up "atheist" before they jump into any further conversations on the matter.


Methinks it was a poor attempt at trolling. Then again, there are people who actually think that's what atheism is....or that atheists are "angry with god".
 
2012-12-04 08:09:01 PM  
As a former child, I recall a period of bitter resentment as I discovered lie after lie. Not so much for the mythical figures like Santa and the Easter Bunny but more general bullshiat answers to the typical "why" questions. Mostly from my grandfather because he would give bullshiat answers with the same sense of sincerity as the scientific answers. Adults think that kind of thing is funny but young kids haven't learned to tell the difference between truth and bullshiat. When a trusted authority figure tells a kid something they believe it. When something the kid stored away as a fundamental truth turns out to be a complete fabrication, the kid's left wondering just how much of our reality is false. I spent quite a bit of time fact checking in my tween years.

While that process is probably a necessary part of building a prudent level of skepticism and I got over it eventually, it doesn't change the fact that I felt betrayed at the time because someone I trusted implicitly had filled my head with bullshiat because it was amusing at the time.
 
2012-12-04 08:09:02 PM  
Approves of The Adult Conspiracy:

www.hipiers.com
 
2012-12-04 08:09:23 PM  
Santa Claus is the patron saint of children and "giving without expectation," or charity, so teaching your kids about him is a GOOD idea. But a lot of parents use the idea of literalism to infantilize their children. I have an aunt who kept her children believing that there was a Santa Claus until the oldest one was THIRTEEN. When a family member spilled the beans, the aunt stopped speaking to her.

If your kids want to believe in Santa, that's one thing; keeping them believing in Santa because you're getting something out of it is selfish.

So yeah, when someone says that Santa isn't literally real and that infuriates some parent or other, I get the warm fuzzies. Someone's just been taught two things: 1) critical thinking skills are a thing, and 2) Mommy is a manipulative liar. Otherwise she wouldn't be offended that the jig was up.
 
2012-12-04 08:09:25 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mija needs to grab a dictionary and look up "atheist" before they jump into any further conversations on the matter.

To label


P.S. Read first, and label after carefully considered thoughts unhindered by intoxicants, please. Thank you.
 
2012-12-04 08:09:27 PM  

Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Anyway, my favorite thing to tell members of my church who think that it's adorable to tell kids about Santa is that many people point to their disillusionment about Santa as the first step in their turning away from God, and that by telling them lies about Santa Claus, you demonstrate that you care more about your own amusement than the spiritual destiny of your child.


So you're all right with telling lies about the existence of deities, but you draw the line at telling lies about the existence of Santa? That's some impressive cognitive dissonance, assuming you're not trolling here as well...
 
2012-12-04 08:10:06 PM  

Coco LaFemme: 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.


Why, exactly? Wouldn't that age, when their minds are like sponges, be better spent developing their reason,?Not on some fantasy to be later discarded.

And what is the purpose of this fantasy? To make them feel good? An opiate?

Mija: The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


This doesn't make any sense. Belief doesn't equal blind faith Well, maybe it does to a zealot.

I also have no reason to believe in Santa Claus. Does that mean I believe in fairies?
 
2012-12-04 08:10:30 PM  

kg2095: Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.

That teacher has robbed those children of their childhoods.


And they didn't even get to enjoy it.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:37 PM  
Wahhhhhhhh. Some one told my child a fact in school.
This is how creationists start.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:45 PM  

sendtodave: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.


They're five year olds. They believe in childish things because they ARE children.

Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.
 
2012-12-04 08:13:08 PM  
invisible sky wizard didn't create, magic flying pedofile that breaks in to houses and steal cookies and leave crap
 
2012-12-04 08:13:19 PM  

DreamyAltarBoy: I never believed in Santa Claus. When I was four I told the other kids he wasn't real. The adults were mortified. It seems I was born to piss on your fantasies.


Don't really remember myself, but I must have for a while because I distinctly remember laying traps to determine the state of his existence for myself. Bless you 60-in-1 electronics kit; for being [fairly] easily combined with a toy walkie-talkie to create a remote tripwire monitor.
 
2012-12-04 08:13:44 PM  

Theaetetus: skinink: Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]
"You can't fool me, there ain't no Sanity Clause!"


Theaetetus: skinink: Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]
"You can't fool me, there ain't no Sanity Clause!"


Well done.
 
2012-12-04 08:13:53 PM  

mekki: sendtodave: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.

They're five year olds. They believe in childish things because they ARE children.

Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.


Hey,
 
2012-12-04 08:14:21 PM  

mekki: No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts.


Except the guy who has to pay for it all. :-)
 
2012-12-04 08:14:25 PM  
My plan, when I have children, is to tell them that Santa is a game people play, and give them the choice of whether or not to play it too, with the understanding that even if they don't play, it's still considered extremely rude to spoil the game for others.

This teacher is a jerk.
 
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