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2012-12-04 02:20:05 PM  
I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.
 
2012-12-04 02:25:04 PM  
FTFA: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Mmmm....cult-like school detected.
 
2012-12-04 02:35:30 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?
 
2012-12-04 02:35:39 PM  

naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.


Maybe. The Houston Press' "Hair Balls" blog has a tendency toward irreverence.
 
2012-12-04 02:38:56 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


That's really the only reason the parents are upset. Because now they have to figure out how to explain why Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are all made up bullshiat but Jesus is totally real.
 
2012-12-04 02:42:52 PM  
Maybe that teacher should find out what it is like to come down the chimney.
 
2012-12-04 02:45:10 PM  

Shostie: naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.

Maybe. The Houston Press' "Hair Balls" blog has a tendency toward irreverence.


No, really. They're predicated on the philosophical notion of anthroposophy, which draws core tenets from the "Akashic Records" which people like Edgar Cayce would cite.
 
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2012-12-04 03:06:39 PM  
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2012-12-04 03:06:54 PM  
Ugh.

Step one: Something is a lie.

Step two: Someone says it's a lie.

Step three: People freak out.

I wish I could bring myself to care.

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


It's not that I'd be okay with it, it's that I genuinely wouldn't care.

exick: Because now they have to figure out how to explain why Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are all made up bullshiat but Jesus is totally real.


Pretty much, yeah.

Maybe we should try not making things up and passing them off as real?

/big fan of fantasy, sci-fi, supernatural etc., with a love of imagination and playing pretend
//but there's a difference I guess
 
2012-12-04 03:08:05 PM  

naughtyrev: which draws core tenets from the "Akashic Records"


They produced some dope ass albums in the mid-90s.
 
2012-12-04 03:18:09 PM  

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If you cropped out the table, it'd look like they were about to team up to fight crime.
 
2012-12-04 03:21:42 PM  
"Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?
 
2012-12-04 03:25:38 PM  

ManateeGag: I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


Why is a school talking about Santa or any other religious figure at all?
 
2012-12-04 03:26:01 PM  

vernonFL: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?


See my comments above.
 
2012-12-04 03:32:13 PM  

mattharvest: ManateeGag: I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

Why is a school talking about Santa or any other religious figure at all?


According to TFA, the exercise was to draw a picture of something real and a picture of something made up. Some kids started drawing Santa in the "real" column or whatever and the teacher decided that that is the moment when she must step in and correct these misinformed five year old plebes.
 
2012-12-04 03:39:04 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...
 
2012-12-04 03:50:59 PM  
Obligatory:

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2012-12-04 03:52:25 PM  
I dunno, telling kids Santa is real is kind of a dick move. My mom never wanted to do the Santa thing but my grandmother convinced her to.
 
2012-12-04 03:56:30 PM  
Reality belongs in education. Fantasy belongs in religion.
 
2012-12-04 03:58:45 PM  
I presume Ms. Grinchowski was immediately reprimanded and put on paid leave?
 
2012-12-04 03:59:09 PM  
biatch
 
2012-12-04 04:05:31 PM  
They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.
 
2012-12-04 04:05:44 PM  
"IT'S THE EXPRESSION ON THEIR LITTLE FACES I LIKE, said the Hogfather.

"You mean sort of fear and awe and not knowing whether to laugh or cry or wet their pants?"

YES. NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL BELIEF."
 
2012-12-04 04:10:46 PM  

Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.


Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.
 
2012-12-04 04:12:11 PM  
This happens every year, and every year it's a big damn story with the teacher catching so much damn flak from idiot parents.

Wanna fix it? Tell your kids "Hey, your teacher misspoke." 5 year olds will believe it.

No, let's fly off the handle and get nationwide attention.
 
2012-12-04 04:17:28 PM  

Shostie: mattharvest: ManateeGag: I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

Why is a school talking about Santa or any other religious figure at all?

According to TFA, the exercise was to draw a picture of something real and a picture of something made up. Some kids started drawing Santa in the "real" column or whatever and the teacher decided that that is the moment when she must step in and correct these misinformed five year old plebes.


What would you prefer? That she let them draw a fictional character in there? If the point was to understand the difference between things that and real and things that aren't, then that's fair.

Now, perhaps she would have been better off saying "I was talking about things, not people" or something, but that's not the point. I wasn't aware parents were entitled to have their kids' illusions protected by teachers.
 
2012-12-04 04:17:32 PM  
The kid learned a very valuable lesson: NEVER push your luck with a substitute kindergarten teacher. 
 
Those people are one secret shot of Popov vodka and a high-pitched kiddie scream away from full-on mass Kindercide!
 
2012-12-04 04:17:51 PM  
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. - Voltaire

Gotta get 'em while they're young. That way, reasons for waging war seem much more believable.
 
2012-12-04 04:22:06 PM  

naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.


Not really. Waldorf does draw from Anthroposophy and Rudolf Steiner, but it could hardly be called a "cult" movement. It is an educational framework and impulse designed to cultivate children's relationships with nature and cycles of the nature world. Rudolf Steiner was committed to an esoteric form of Christianity, which did make room for other-than-human Persons in the world--but that's really not exceptional for the Christian tradition, or many other religious traditions for that matter. The problem that I have is that the teacher entirely short circuits the very real and very positive experience of moving from exoteric symbolism to esoteric truth. There is a very real spirit of thankfulness, generosity and giving in humanity often associated with the birth of the new light (the Sun) around the winter solstice. Just as the cosmos gives us this light of increase, so too do we donate to each other's increase. Santa Claus is a way for children to experience this at the level they are capable of doing at that age. There will be a time they'll learn on their own that this is a subtle truth to be experienced inwardly for themselves--but wrenching the sacramental usage of Santa Claus out of the world of the youth does not strike me as a healthy move. We teach children lots of things at the level they are capable of appreciating--and then complicate them later on when they are capable of handling complication. In terms of Zen: "Yes there is a Santa Claus for those who do not know what he is. There is no Santa Claus for those who know what he is."

/flame away, won't bother me
 
2012-12-04 04:23:20 PM  

Mugato: Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.


Nice strawman there. Nice and fluffy.
 
2012-12-04 04:40:26 PM  

Somacandra: naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.

Not really. Waldorf does draw from Anthroposophy and Rudolf Steiner, but it could hardly be called a "cult" movement. It is an educational framework and impulse designed to cultivate children's relationships with nature and cycles of the nature world. Rudolf Steiner was committed to an esoteric form of Christianity, which did make room for other-than-human Persons in the world--but that's really not exceptional for the Christian tradition, or many other religious traditions for that matter. The problem that I have is that the teacher entirely short circuits the very real and very positive experience of moving from exoteric symbolism to esoteric truth. There is a very real spirit of thankfulness, generosity and giving in humanity often associated with the birth of the new light (the Sun) around the winter solstice. Just as the cosmos gives us this light of increase, so too do we donate to each other's increase. Santa Claus is a way for children to experience this at the level they are capable of doing at that age. There will be a time they'll learn on their own that this is a subtle truth to be experienced inwardly for themselves--but wrenching the sacramental usage of Santa Claus out of the world of the youth does not strike me as a healthy move. We teach children lots of things at the level they are capable of appreciating--and then complicate them later on when they are capable of handling complication. In terms of Zen: "Yes there is a Santa Claus for those who do not know what he is. There is no Santa Claus for those who know what he is."

/flame away, won't bother me


Fair enough. I know the kids who attend these schools do tend to perform well on standard measures later in life (SATs, for one). Pedagogically, they seem a bit mushy to me, but then again, most public schools are most certainly far too data, testing and outcomes oriented which is certainly bad for children I believe.
 
2012-12-04 05:47:40 PM  

Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.


I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.
 
2012-12-04 05:48:19 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...


Jesus F*cking Christ on a raft, it's not a lie. It's a child's story, a fantasy.
Some of you take this "OMFG THERE IS NO SANTA UR LYING TO OUR CHILLDERN" nonsense much too seriously. What you think simply isn't important to their development.
Let children have their fantasies. It really doesn't concern you.
 
2012-12-04 05:49:57 PM  

exick: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

That's really the only reason the parents are upset. Because now they have to figure out how to explain why Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are all made up bullshiat but Jesus is totally real.


Really? You know them? What a great coincidence! What else can you tell us about them that those of us who don't know them personally aren't privy to?
 
2012-12-04 05:50:18 PM  
I've never lied to my kids about Santa.
 
2012-12-04 05:54:38 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.


I've heard that before.
 
2012-12-04 05:55:16 PM  

Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.


It's too bad such an insignifant event damaged you much. Fortunately, most children are far more resilient.
 
2012-12-04 05:55:28 PM  

vernonFL: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?


That someone named their kid Aven? Probably.
 
2012-12-04 06:00:36 PM  
Not so at her new school, where the teacher reportedly has a partner-in-grinchiness.

I hate that misuse of the term. I've been called a Grinch or a Scrooge before and it's utter bullshiat. They ended up having a change of heart.
 
2012-12-04 06:14:00 PM  

stpauler: Not so at her new school, where the teacher reportedly has a partner-in-grinchiness.

I hate that misuse of the term. I've been called a Grinch or a Scrooge before and it's utter bullshiat. They ended up having a change of heart.


You tell yourself you're not that kind but you don't even know your mind
Even you could have a change of heart
Don't lose that number You don't wanna call nobody else
Send it off in a letter to yourself, It's the only one you own
You might use it if you feel better when you get home
 
2012-12-04 06:18:54 PM  
He shouldn't have, but this is a good example of something not being a BFD.
 
2012-12-04 06:48:59 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


There are adults that believe in gods. Are there adults that believe in Santa?

FTFA: "Another adult has no right to submit their own beliefs on a group of 5 year olds and their families - about Santa, God, politics or whatever - especially phrased 'your belief is not right.'"

Is that belief contradictory to yours? That Santa isn't real? The only way the teacher is saying, 'your belief is not right' is if you do, indeed, believe in him.
 
2012-12-04 07:26:43 PM  

maxalt: Maybe that teacher should find out what it is like to come down the chimney.


I tried that once, but got soot all over my weener and I'm pretty sure one of the neighbors was watching.
 
2012-12-04 07:26:49 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

You people are slow.
 
2012-12-04 07:47:39 PM  
Well......there isn't. However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids. I stopped believing in Santa when I was 7, only because I figured out the handwriting on my gift tags was my mom's, and the handwriting on my sister's gift tags was my dad's. She was 2, so they kept putting "From: Santa" on hers, but after that they'd just put "From: Mom & Dad" on mine. It never bothered them that I found them out; I think they would have been hurt if I'd found the presents early or something.

Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.
 
2012-12-04 07:49:54 PM  
I read an article one time that was talking about how learning that there is no Santa is a big part of growing up, and it helps kids feel responsible with that little bit of "adult" knowledge, especially if there are younger siblings in the house.

Was pretty interesting.
 
2012-12-04 07:52:39 PM  
The guy who wrote that needs to go back to school.

Having said that, it is sort of a dick move for a teacher to tell 5-year-olds there's no Santa, but I wouldn't call this a firing offense.
 
2012-12-04 07:52:40 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


Well, duh. If the child started drawing a god on the Real side of the page, the teacher would be derelict in their duty in not correcting them.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:19 PM  
Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?
 
2012-12-04 07:53:26 PM  
I want to infinitive, but I won't.
 
2012-12-04 07:54:24 PM  
The mother said another parent told her that a second teacher assigned her students to draw two pictures on a piece of paper, one of something real, and the other of something imaginary. When the student started drawing Santa on the "real" side of the page, the teacher said Saint Nick belonged on the fake side.

Namby pamby hand-holding new-age nonsense. Let the girl finish her assignment, turn it in and give her the F for being 50% correct. That's how learning works; you have to let them make mistakes.
 
2012-12-04 07:54:26 PM  
Stop lying to your farking children about a mascot being real and there won't be a problem.
 
2012-12-04 07:54:37 PM  

Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.


That teacher has robbed those children of their childhoods.
 
2012-12-04 07:54:37 PM  
Yes there is.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:07 PM  
It's actually possible to be respectful to each other, but online, that filter appears to be lost...

To app

*)
 
2012-12-04 07:55:23 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...


The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:55 PM  

Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.


Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.
 
2012-12-04 07:55:57 PM  
The mom emailed a complaint to the principal, who told he that she has reprimanded the teacher and given her the "tools to deal with this situation" in the future.

They read the e-mail out loud in the breakroom, all of them had a good laugh at the asshat parent and the principal then told her what she wanted to hear and got back to more important things.
 
2012-12-04 07:56:56 PM  
Wasn't the teachers place to tell the kids that. What beliefs the kids/family have is none of her damn business.
It's one thing to figure it out themselves, but for an adult to "smash the dream" sucks.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:07 PM  

Mija: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


The non-existence of deities does not require belief. It is a simple basic fact.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:30 PM  
See what happens when Republicans step into the classroom? They go making the kids all bootstrappy!
 
2012-12-04 07:57:30 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


I'd be OK with people learning to spell "atheist". If that ever happened I'd believe in a god.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:31 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.


Well, my wife is almost that age, and she certainly believes that I will, as you put it, "squeeze myself through her chimney once a year." If it's a good year, I'll do it twice.

/I suppose I could be jollier, or fatter
//Is Westchester County near the top of the planet?
 
2012-12-04 07:57:41 PM  
A lie?

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-04 07:58:17 PM  
/ho-ho-hot
 
2012-12-04 07:58:38 PM  

Mija: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


Casting stones in this glass house of earth is dangerous, for all the panes are just one tink from breaking, and if that happens, your calculus just differentiated. *)
 
2012-12-04 07:58:44 PM  
It's a pretty dick move. It's one thing to accidentally blurt it out, it's another to go into details about the deception. I mean, FFS, the kids are 5 years old. Let them believe in something nice before they grow up to realize that the world is a gigantic shiathole just waiting to crush their dreams.
 
2012-12-04 07:58:48 PM  

Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.


Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.
 
2012-12-04 07:59:24 PM  
I never believed in Santa Claus. When I was four I told the other kids he wasn't real. The adults were mortified. It seems I was born to piss on your fantasies.
 
2012-12-04 07:59:28 PM  

ProfessorOhki: /ho-ho-hot


Son of a...
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-04 08:01:13 PM  
Texas, where Santa Claus is fake, but a big all seeing man who lives in the clouds invented everything ever in 7 days, and humans rode around on dinosaurs.

Makes sense, they do have the highest drop out rate, guessing their qualifications to become a teacher are probably pretty damn low.
 
2012-12-04 08:01:22 PM  
What a self-righteous douche of a lady.

Like a few of my fellow Farkers here ... God bless you, and don't ever change, you exquisite douchelords!
 
2012-12-04 08:02:17 PM  
I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Anyway, my favorite thing to tell members of my church who think that it's adorable to tell kids about Santa is that many people point to their disillusionment about Santa as the first step in their turning away from God, and that by telling them lies about Santa Claus, you demonstrate that you care more about your own amusement than the spiritual destiny of your child.
 
2012-12-04 08:02:36 PM  

Mija: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


LOL @ "atheism is a religion"
 
2012-12-04 08:02:36 PM  

minoridiot: I've never lied to my kids about Santa.


I don't recall if I did or not. But my son's 22 now and doesn't seem to have trust issues.
 
2012-12-04 08:03:03 PM  

skinink: Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?


1.bp.blogspot.com
"You can't fool me, there ain't no Sanity Clause!"
 
2012-12-04 08:03:04 PM  

Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.

Lernaeus: Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.


Thank you
 
2012-12-04 08:05:30 PM  

Godscrack: Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. - Voltaire

Gotta get 'em while they're young. That way, reasons for waging war seem much more believable.


Nonsense. Santa Claus teaches kids to question authority. They all find out well before puberty.
 
2012-12-04 08:05:33 PM  
To imagine
 
2012-12-04 08:05:35 PM  

kg2095: Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.

That teacher has robbed those children of their childhoods.


Oh boo hoo. She's not raping them.
 
2012-12-04 08:06:15 PM  
I guess the Hero tag took a trip to the North Pole. People need to stop justifying lying to their children.

Oh wait. Religion.


Nuts.
 
2012-12-04 08:07:19 PM  

Indubitably: To imagine


P.S. This was b4 being plugged in. Back in the day, we used to imagine everything. In our heads. For serious.
 
2012-12-04 08:07:24 PM  
Mija needs to grab a dictionary and look up "atheist" before they jump into any further conversations on the matter.
 
2012-12-04 08:08:00 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Well......there isn't. However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids. I stopped believing in Santa when I was 7, only because I figured out the handwriting on my gift tags was my mom's, and the handwriting on my sister's gift tags was my dad's. She was 2, so they kept putting "From: Santa" on hers, but after that they'd just put "From: Mom & Dad" on mine. It never bothered them that I found them out; I think they would have been hurt if I'd found the presents early or something.

Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.


This.
 
2012-12-04 08:08:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mija needs to grab a dictionary and look up "atheist" before they jump into any further conversations on the matter.


Methinks it was a poor attempt at trolling. Then again, there are people who actually think that's what atheism is....or that atheists are "angry with god".
 
2012-12-04 08:09:01 PM  
As a former child, I recall a period of bitter resentment as I discovered lie after lie. Not so much for the mythical figures like Santa and the Easter Bunny but more general bullshiat answers to the typical "why" questions. Mostly from my grandfather because he would give bullshiat answers with the same sense of sincerity as the scientific answers. Adults think that kind of thing is funny but young kids haven't learned to tell the difference between truth and bullshiat. When a trusted authority figure tells a kid something they believe it. When something the kid stored away as a fundamental truth turns out to be a complete fabrication, the kid's left wondering just how much of our reality is false. I spent quite a bit of time fact checking in my tween years.

While that process is probably a necessary part of building a prudent level of skepticism and I got over it eventually, it doesn't change the fact that I felt betrayed at the time because someone I trusted implicitly had filled my head with bullshiat because it was amusing at the time.
 
2012-12-04 08:09:02 PM  
Approves of The Adult Conspiracy:

www.hipiers.com
 
2012-12-04 08:09:23 PM  
Santa Claus is the patron saint of children and "giving without expectation," or charity, so teaching your kids about him is a GOOD idea. But a lot of parents use the idea of literalism to infantilize their children. I have an aunt who kept her children believing that there was a Santa Claus until the oldest one was THIRTEEN. When a family member spilled the beans, the aunt stopped speaking to her.

If your kids want to believe in Santa, that's one thing; keeping them believing in Santa because you're getting something out of it is selfish.

So yeah, when someone says that Santa isn't literally real and that infuriates some parent or other, I get the warm fuzzies. Someone's just been taught two things: 1) critical thinking skills are a thing, and 2) Mommy is a manipulative liar. Otherwise she wouldn't be offended that the jig was up.
 
2012-12-04 08:09:25 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mija needs to grab a dictionary and look up "atheist" before they jump into any further conversations on the matter.

To label


P.S. Read first, and label after carefully considered thoughts unhindered by intoxicants, please. Thank you.
 
2012-12-04 08:09:27 PM  

Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Anyway, my favorite thing to tell members of my church who think that it's adorable to tell kids about Santa is that many people point to their disillusionment about Santa as the first step in their turning away from God, and that by telling them lies about Santa Claus, you demonstrate that you care more about your own amusement than the spiritual destiny of your child.


So you're all right with telling lies about the existence of deities, but you draw the line at telling lies about the existence of Santa? That's some impressive cognitive dissonance, assuming you're not trolling here as well...
 
2012-12-04 08:10:06 PM  

Coco LaFemme: 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.


Why, exactly? Wouldn't that age, when their minds are like sponges, be better spent developing their reason,?Not on some fantasy to be later discarded.

And what is the purpose of this fantasy? To make them feel good? An opiate?

Mija: The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


This doesn't make any sense. Belief doesn't equal blind faith Well, maybe it does to a zealot.

I also have no reason to believe in Santa Claus. Does that mean I believe in fairies?
 
2012-12-04 08:10:30 PM  

kg2095: Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.

That teacher has robbed those children of their childhoods.


And they didn't even get to enjoy it.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:37 PM  
Wahhhhhhhh. Some one told my child a fact in school.
This is how creationists start.
 
2012-12-04 08:10:45 PM  

sendtodave: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.


They're five year olds. They believe in childish things because they ARE children.

Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.
 
2012-12-04 08:13:08 PM  
invisible sky wizard didn't create, magic flying pedofile that breaks in to houses and steal cookies and leave crap
 
2012-12-04 08:13:19 PM  

DreamyAltarBoy: I never believed in Santa Claus. When I was four I told the other kids he wasn't real. The adults were mortified. It seems I was born to piss on your fantasies.


Don't really remember myself, but I must have for a while because I distinctly remember laying traps to determine the state of his existence for myself. Bless you 60-in-1 electronics kit; for being [fairly] easily combined with a toy walkie-talkie to create a remote tripwire monitor.
 
2012-12-04 08:13:44 PM  

Theaetetus: skinink: Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?

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"You can't fool me, there ain't no Sanity Clause!"


Theaetetus: skinink: Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?

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"You can't fool me, there ain't no Sanity Clause!"


Well done.
 
2012-12-04 08:13:53 PM  

mekki: sendtodave: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.

They're five year olds. They believe in childish things because they ARE children.

Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.


Hey,
 
2012-12-04 08:14:21 PM  

mekki: No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts.


Except the guy who has to pay for it all. :-)
 
2012-12-04 08:14:25 PM  
My plan, when I have children, is to tell them that Santa is a game people play, and give them the choice of whether or not to play it too, with the understanding that even if they don't play, it's still considered extremely rude to spoil the game for others.

This teacher is a jerk.
 
2012-12-04 08:14:32 PM  

haywatchthis: invisible sky wizard didn't create, magic flying pedofile that breaks in to houses and steal cookies and leave crap


Comma-splice.
 
2012-12-04 08:15:31 PM  
People have an issue with telling kids Santa Claus is real?

I really hate this website sometimes.
 
2012-12-04 08:17:02 PM  
Is this the same teacher that tells the adoptees that those are not their real parents?
 
2012-12-04 08:17:05 PM  
I would imagine that an educator must, at one time, draw the line on fact and fiction. If your job is to cultivate the knowledge and development of our future, yet consciously allow them to believe something that is factually inaccurate, then you are not doing your job.

The consequence is anger and sadness, but only temporary from the children. The parents (the liars) are a different matter. Instantly this defensive, "I know what is right for my children" rage comes into play, and never once do they realize that if Santa was real or not - makes no difference.

Your kids trust you from birth to be honest to them. To love them enough to guide them and teach them so that they can grow up to be great people. To let them make their own decisions and theories as they become responsible.
 
2012-12-04 08:17:37 PM  

Coco LaFemme:
Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.



.... Or that a zombie-deity can hear your unspoken thoughts to grant you wishes; and just to be on the safe you ceremoniously eat his flesh and drink his blood. And you can't forget that of the 6,000 years Earth has been there was once a point where two of EVERY animal on Earth was put on a boat to survive for over a month with a man and his family who later repopulated the planet.

It's a good thing that no one in power in the United States would believe such outlandish fairy tales.
 
2012-12-04 08:17:38 PM  
Oh, ffs.

There is a big difference between letting little kids have their fantasies about Santa Claus and "lying to kids about God." Guess what: Kids figure out, about age six or seven, that Santa is fake. Often before that, but it's fun for a year or two to pretend you believe in Santa because WHAT IF..... Then there's the year or two that they don't believe in Santa but "We have to pretend because little brother or sister still thinks Santa is real" and it makes them feel all grown up to pretend with the adults for the "babies." (When they're all of 7 or 8)

Pretending like you're enlightening a five-year old because YOU in your adult, non-fantastical, non-religious way, have decided children should not live in a world of lies, it's time to put away childish things, conflating god with Santa, or whatever justification you use for killing the joy in a child's life, is not your call. Five is not a good age to be questioning either god or Santa. Five needs a few absolutes like Disney princesses and Santa Claus. And anyway, it's not up to some substitute kindergarten teacher to make that decision for them.

Ask yourself: Are these kids better off now that someone told them there is no Santa? Are they really going to now decide (at age 5) that there is no god and no Jesus and that Cinderella is really just a marketing tool? Do you think that really makes that much difference in a kid's life, except to ruin a holiday for them?
 
2012-12-04 08:17:55 PM  
Guess what? She was right. Santa is a tool designed to make your spoiled crotch fruit behave out of their intrinsic sense of greed. God and Jesus were made up to control the population out of fear of 'eternal fire" or some such bullshiat. Seeing a pattern here?
 
2012-12-04 08:18:03 PM  

Indubitably: haywatchthis: invisible sky wizard didn't create, magic flying pedofile that breaks in to houses and steal cookies and leave crap

Comma-splice.


P.S. I know everyone says that they hate the grammarian, but I don't actually believe them, because we all crave learning, and I secretly suspect we applaud ourselves when we learn something, and my life has been all about that. To learn something in the now is a beautiful thing...I did it just now with you. Huzzah!
 
2012-12-04 08:18:11 PM  
So, here's the thing: "Santa" is real. The spirit of giving, friendship, love for family, and decency to your fellow man are real things that should be taught to children from as early an age as possible.

Santa Claus, however, is not real. And teaching children that imaginary things are real is, well, wrong. Sure, kids should have fantasies, but they should also be taught that fantasies are just that: fantasies. Dora the Explorer? Not real. Elmo? A fiction, make-believe. And there's nothing wrong with make-believe, so long as it's distinguished from reality.

We're teaching our kids that Santa is a game a lot of adults like to play, one that makes gift giving at Christmas a slightly different experience. "Santa" might "bring them gifts," but Santa himself does not.
 
2012-12-04 08:18:42 PM  

sendtodave: Coco LaFemme: 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.

Why, exactly? Wouldn't that age, when their minds are like sponges, be better spent developing their reason,?Not on some fantasy to be later discarded.

That's right Komrad, why in the hell should kids have a childhood ? Let them know just how much the real world sucks right from the get go. Piss on their dreams and crush their imagination. And that fantasy to be later discarded? They used to be called fond childhood memories, let's smash them too.

 
2012-12-04 08:18:46 PM  
There is nothing wrong about telling kids the reality about Santa Claus. They can still enjoy christmas even without believing in some fat dude who invades everybody's home to plant gifts under the tree. What is real is that you have a loving family and friends who will take care of you and even give you gifts, with or without Santa Claus.

If kids start asking questions about the truth on a subject matter, then they deserve to know the truth. When they grow up and find out about all the lies that you've been using to control them, the more they'll become rebellious. For example, if you keep telling a child that if he doesn't listen to you, the monster from the closet will eat him at night, when he grows up, he'll rebel. He'll have all the ammunition to fight against you. Why? Because he can easily say "You always used fear to control me, well not anymore!".

The story of Santa Claus can also be used to fit your needs to control kids. You can easily say Santa Claus is a creature from another dimension who rewards good children with gifts and kidnaps bad kids and turns them into toy making slaves. I'd rather tell kids the truth that the "Santa Claus" of the world are loving family members who really care about you whether you've been bad or good, not some fair weathered entity who will ignore you if you don't act as he pleases.
 
2012-12-04 08:19:39 PM  

mekki: Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination.


Kids don't need lies to use their imaginations. Parents do themselves a disservice by perpetuating the myth of Santa Claus because it undermines the child's faith in their parents.
 
2012-12-04 08:19:57 PM  

Mugato: I dunno, telling kids Santa is real is kind of a dick move. My mom never wanted to do the Santa thing but my grandmother convinced her to.


That's not so bad...at least she was aware of it.

OTOH, some parents tag team a kid into complying with some variation of the Boogyman and Santa.

The children DO eventually pick up on the fact that those parents resort to that sort of thing instead of assertiveness and consistency. Then, when those children find out (like from that teacher) that it was a clever ruse for manipulation, many of those children then learn to make up stuff and maneuver the parents and then the parents get what they deserve; a manipulative child who gets his way most of the time.
 
2012-12-04 08:20:37 PM  

Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.


ummm, teaching them facts is exactly their goddamned business. that is why i pay taxes, not to foster some farking christian wizard shiat . go to a private school for that. no farking wonder we are last in math/science in elementary age kids amongst industrialized nations.
 
2012-12-04 08:20:40 PM  
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2012-12-04 08:20:56 PM  
I have a toddler and will have to figure out what to do about Santa, as I don't want to lie to my child and am an atheist and consider Santa a bit like God-lite. I think we will end up making it a mystery for her to solve on her own as an exercise to sharpen her critical thinking skills. We are going to make it a bit of a right of passage without so much direct lying involved. I've wrestled with this for a while now.

But what the teacher did was different. It is not her place to do this to these families. Santa is a rich tradition that is much valued by many families. Its basically harmless (according to research, I looked into it) and it isn't the teachers place to replace the judgement of the families.

This isn't biology or math or part of the actual curriculum, so it isn't her/his turf at all. Downplay it if you want. Be cagey about it. Do whatever, but ffs don't just go shiatting on family's valued traditions.

This includes telling them there is no god, or there is a god, or anything else that many people feel strongly about.
 
2012-12-04 08:20:59 PM  
I'm torn on the whole Santa thing. My son just turned two so he doesn't really get it yet but next year he will. I'm an absolutely terrible liar but I remember the awesome feeling when I was little and believed. What to do, what to do.
 
2012-12-04 08:21:06 PM  
To reholiday?
 
2012-12-04 08:21:17 PM  
waterman99.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 08:21:45 PM  
Well I bet that most of the anti-santa people here on Fark will still end up telling their kids that santa brings their presents when they have them.
 
2012-12-04 08:22:09 PM  
Well, the teacher is correct and also incorrect. While there isn't a magical nose-tweaking chimney-jumper, I'm pretty sure someone somewhere goes around calling themselves Santa (either by way of moronic parents, delusions and psychological deficiencies, or just to make money.) So, meh.
 
2012-12-04 08:22:11 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Ask yourself: Are these kids better off now that someone told them there is no Santa? Are they really going to now decide (at age 5) that there is no god and no Jesus and that Cinderella is really just a marketing tool? Do you think that really makes that much difference in a kid's life, except to ruin a holiday for them?


Please. Only no gifts or cookies would ruin the holiday for them.
 
2012-12-04 08:22:18 PM  
Teacher, you don't still seriously believe you are making a difference in the lives of any of us, do you?
 
2012-12-04 08:22:21 PM  
Deserves the HERO tag IMO.
 
2012-12-04 08:22:44 PM  
Whats really sad is that so many farkers came from broken homes where there was noone to love them.

They probably never had children either cause they didn't want to repeat the cycle.......
 
2012-12-04 08:22:55 PM  

Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME),


well, you're around enough that I have you favorited as: seriously unfunny "Christian" troll
 
2012-12-04 08:24:46 PM  

Shostie: lumn or whatever and the teacher decid


uh, yes, santa is usually dispelled by 2-4. if you make it to a public school and are not prepared for math and solar system diagrams and still believe in flying toy gods, your parents have crippled you.
 
2012-12-04 08:24:47 PM  
Johnny : Mommy, is santa real? and the easter bunny? the tooth fairy?

Mom "No son, santa is made up because daddy and mommy want you be less irritating,and behave, so we use santa to threaten "no presents" to make you be less of a screaming meme. Mommy and daddy made these characters up to control you dear, because we suck at parenting.
'
Johnny "Um..ok...but what about God? Did man make up God too? To control us?"

Mom.."no hunny, God is real."

Johnny "well...santa is in a book, and the easter bunny, and the tooth fairy, and all those books were written by men, wasn't the bible written by man too?"

Mom "ON YOUR KNEES YOU BLASPHEMOUS HEATHEN...REPENT OR BURN IN HELL..THE GOD WHO LOVES YOU COMMANDS IT!!" smack..punch...kick...
 
2012-12-04 08:24:52 PM  

Mija: The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.



Actually it makes perfect sense to refrain from believing in every extraordinary story of beings with magic powers until solid evidence of the story's truth is presented.

Since there are thousands upon thousands of stories of magical beings and no proof that any of them are real whatsoever it is perfectly rational to disbelieve in all of them equally - and I'd go so far as to say irrational to believe otherwise. The Judeo-Christian god is no different from any other religious myth in this respect, and in fact you can find many elements of the Yahweh myth present in other competing mythologies from the era and region where the myth originated.
 
2012-12-04 08:25:20 PM  

Giltric: Whats really sad is that so many farkers came from broken homes where there was noone to love them.

They probably never had children either cause they didn't want to repeat the cycle.......


I don't remember you having an apostrophe problem b4?

What happened?
 
2012-12-04 08:25:48 PM  
My five-year-old niece asked me yesterday, about the reality of Santa Claus. We looked up Saint Nicholas on Wikipedia, and I read to her of some of the things he did to achieve sainthood. We looked at the pictures of how different cultures view Santa Claus, and discussed what she knew about him. Then I turned her question around on her, and asked her "Well, do you believe in Santa Claus?" She told me "Of course! I just saw his pictures!"

She was satisfied, and I was relieved.
 
2012-12-04 08:26:20 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer:

I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


I'm sure okay with it, though it can't be easily proven one way or another -- unlike Santa Claus. And by the way, it's A T H E I S T: if you're going to be against it learn how to spell it.

Any parent who teaches their kids to believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny is committing child abuse by damaging the kid's ability to tell true from false. In the medium run you might be doing them a favor by letting them find out the adults around them, especially Mommy and Daddy, are evil two-faced liars, but all they're likely to do after they find that out is spend the rest of their lives trying to believe in SOMETHING: astrology, Jesus, Gaia, Justin Bieber, "democracy," Prince Charming, ANYTHING to fill that empty space where the Santa Claus myth used to be. "I want to believe!" means "Run a con job on me! Reality is too complicated for my vapid little head!"

Teach your children to reason, not to believe, and to understand that there will always be more questions than there are answers. And if you don't know the answer to something admit it and help them learn. At least don't baffle them with bullshiat.


And any teacher who answers yes to "Is Santa Claus real?" should be fired on the spot. You wouldn't want your kid taught that 2+2=5 would you?
 
2012-12-04 08:27:32 PM  

mongbiohazard: Mija: The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


Actually it makes perfect sense to refrain from believing in every extraordinary story of beings with magic powers until solid evidence of the story's truth is presented.

Since there are thousands upon thousands of stories of magical beings and no proof that any of them are real whatsoever it is perfectly rational to disbelieve in all of them equally - and I'd go so far as to say irrational to believe otherwise. The Judeo-Christian god is no different from any other religious myth in this respect, and in fact you can find many elements of the Yahweh myth present in other competing mythologies from the era and region where the myth originated.


Please read Joe Campbell, and disavow racial prejudices.
 
2012-12-04 08:27:34 PM  

LazarusLong42: Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Anyway, my favorite thing to tell members of my church who think that it's adorable to tell kids about Santa is that many people point to their disillusionment about Santa as the first step in their turning away from God, and that by telling them lies about Santa Claus, you demonstrate that you care more about your own amusement than the spiritual destiny of your child.

So you're all right with telling lies about the existence of deities, but you draw the line at telling lies about the existence of Santa? That's some impressive cognitive dissonance, assuming you're not trolling here as well...


har har. Yes yes, God is the same as Santa whatever. I know you guys think that. The difference, the CRUCIAL difference, is that people who tell kids about God ACTUALLY believe in God, whereas very few people who tell kids about santa actually believe in santa.

Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception. there's a real difference between telling a child something you know to be false and telling a child something false which you actually yourself believe. surely you must admit that?
 
2012-12-04 08:28:06 PM  
Everything is so black and white in here.
 
2012-12-04 08:28:11 PM  
I see a bright dividing line here between people that have kids and people that don't.
 
2012-12-04 08:28:24 PM  

Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.


Huh. Never seen you before. Never will again.
 
2012-12-04 08:29:45 PM  

Indubitably: mongbiohazard: Mija: The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


Actually it makes perfect sense to refrain from believing in every extraordinary story of beings with magic powers until solid evidence of the story's truth is presented.

Since there are thousands upon thousands of stories of magical beings and no proof that any of them are real whatsoever it is perfectly rational to disbelieve in all of them equally - and I'd go so far as to say irrational to believe otherwise. The Judeo-Christian god is no different from any other religious myth in this respect, and in fact you can find many elements of the Yahweh myth present in other competing mythologies from the era and region where the myth originated.

Please read Joe Campbell, and disavow racial prejudices.


P.S. Let kids learn themselves, through experiential exposure to learning opportunity with the best tools available. You can quote me on that.
 
2012-12-04 08:29:47 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My five-year-old niece asked me yesterday, about the reality of Santa Claus. We looked up Saint Nicholas on Wikipedia, and I read to her of some of the things he did to achieve sainthood. We looked at the pictures of how different cultures view Santa Claus, and discussed what she knew about him. Then I turned her question around on her, and asked her "Well, do you believe in Santa Claus?" She told me "Of course! I just saw his pictures!"

She was satisfied, and I was relieved.


The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!
 
2012-12-04 08:29:50 PM  

Millennium: My plan, when I have children, is to tell them that Santa is a game people play, and give them the choice of whether or not to play it too, with the understanding that even if they don't play, it's still considered extremely rude to spoil the game for others.

This teacher is a jerk.


My parents told me santa was a "let's play make believe",made it easier when they decided to not take me to the more expensive santa in one mall but to a cheaper one a block down instead(n, he wasn't a hobo dressed in a Santa suit, thanks for asking)
 
2012-12-04 08:29:59 PM  
Santa is and always was a way to bribe your kids into not be such little shiats. Kids are dumb, they need a reason not to set the cat on fire.
 
2012-12-04 08:31:07 PM  

Gunny Highway: Everything is so black and white in here.


Nope.

It's as colored as the sky...
 
2012-12-04 08:31:11 PM  

timujin: Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME),

well, you're around enough that I have you favorited as: seriously unfunny "Christian" troll


Awww, dang. I try to walk the line and be funny, but sometimes idiotic derp isn't funny anymore. it's a tough line to cross
 
2012-12-04 08:31:39 PM  

Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!


Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)
 
2012-12-04 08:31:59 PM  
And the fact there is no Santa is a "harsh reality"? Then maybe we shouldn't have a farking Santa at all. All Santa is is an early indoctrination into believing in imaginary things, like God. Maybe you Christians ought to rethink this. Maybe less of you would leave the church when you reach adulthood if you weren't taught the first thing you REALLY want to believe with all your heart is a fricking sham.

In my heart, the moment Santa went *poof* is the same moment God did. Think about that for a minute, brainiacs.
 
2012-12-04 08:32:41 PM  

mekki: sendtodave: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.

They're five year olds. They believe in childish things because they ARE children.

Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.


And figuring out the truth of Santa on their own is a right of passage of sorts.

The sting of finding out Santa is a lie is almost always softened by finding out it is a lie for the "little kids" and now that they are "big kids" they get to be in on the secret too.
 
2012-12-04 08:33:07 PM  

Indubitably: It's actually possible to be respectful to each other, but online, that filter appears to be lost...

To app

*)


none of us are 'here together' and no one can find anyone else to smack them in the mouth. so, we get true honesty. and trolls.
 
2012-12-04 08:33:27 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)


Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.
 
2012-12-04 08:33:42 PM  
I have a 2yo. First time parent. Wife loves Christmas and Santa and stuff, whereas I really think it's a bunch of crap. I was having this conversation with my dad just the other day. He went on and on about how my sister and I loved the whole Santa thing, but how I figured it out. He starts in with the usual "oh what's the harm it's all in good fun." So I waited, and then I finally made my point:

When children figure out their parents have been lying to them their whole life, they ask themselves the next logical question:
If my parents have been lying to me about this, what ELSE have they been lying to me about?

Pretty sure my kid is gonna be that one that ruins Christmas for all the kids in his class, and I am going to get some nasty phone calls from the school and from other parents.
 
2012-12-04 08:33:52 PM  
The My Little Pony Killer:

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.

/Troll - 3/10

You cannot prove that Thor doesn't exist. Ditto Zeus. Ditto for The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Allah, Atlantis, the Loch Ness Monster, Vampires, Ghosts, Dragons, that Elvis is still alive, Aliens, and an infinite set of other gods, demons, angels, etc.

Your logic is retarded and broken. Most people here know that you can't prove a negative.

If half the kids in the class learn from this to recognize the difference between verifiable or plausible reality and imagination - and that most adults are liars - then the teacher should be given a teacher of the decade award.
 
2012-12-04 08:33:58 PM  

James F. Campbell: Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Huh. Never seen you before. Never will again.


let us dream. let us hope and wonder.
 
2012-12-04 08:34:18 PM  
I told my kids that it is fun to pretend there is a Santa. That worked out fine. Now our favorite Santa is the one in the movie "Rare Exports." According to my kids that is the Santa they are going to tell their kids about!
 
2012-12-04 08:34:43 PM  

mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.


Not robots, just people who have never been parents.
 
2012-12-04 08:34:45 PM  

lewismarktwo: Kids are dumb, they need a reason not to set the cat on fire.


I told my children very early on to shout "FOR SCIENCE!" before they do anything that anybody would find questionable.
 
2012-12-04 08:35:19 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: Indubitably: It's actually possible to be respectful to each other, but online, that filter appears to be lost...

To app

*)

none of us are 'here together' and no one can find anyone else to smack them in the mouth. so, we get true honesty. and trolls.


"...true honesty?"

"Seriously?"
 
2012-12-04 08:35:25 PM  
When I was six my brother came home from school and informed me that Santa Claus was dead. Apparently he was on a boat in a storm and was struck by lightning.

I don't remember when I found out he wasn't real. It didn't really matter after that...
 
2012-12-04 08:35:27 PM  

Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.


I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.
 
2012-12-04 08:35:47 PM  

Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.


Particularly when those people are government employees
 
2012-12-04 08:35:50 PM  

Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.


I'm at a loss here, because I agree with both of you to an extent. Plus, I didnt rtfa yet.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:05 PM  

jtown: As a former child, I recall a period of bitter resentment as I discovered lie after lie.

My friends and I went through a period like that in elementary school. There was a teacher who was the favorite of students in the school. He always knew how to explain things and had lots of patience and remembered students blah blah blah. He was the "go to" guy for us unlike most of the other teachers.

Anyway, one day he was gone and there was a substitute teacher who dodged questions about what happened so we didn't know why he was gone. They just said our parents would talk to us. So, my parents as well as others had little chats with us about death and how he was gone to a better place and all that and we pretty much got over it being kids with short attention spans and all.

That summer, a group of us had some money so we went to a grocery store to get some candy and we noticed a really weird guy with strange noises coming out of his mouth talking to someone and then he started walking towards us with a completely identical walk like a zombie and half of his face was pretty much just hanging down and he's waving at us.

We started screaming because not only did we think we saw a zombie, one of us noticed the resemblance to our teach so not only was the undead coming after us, it was our teacher risen from the grave. Pretty darned traumatizing to kids.

So, of course we ran away and went to one of our friends parents and told him what happened and he said it couldn't be true that we imagined it and the teacher was gone. Over the next few days this was repeated to us until someone's older brother/whatever told us the truth: our teacher had had a massive stroke and that all of the parents had lied to us.

To make things worse, even when confronted with the truth that they had all lied many stuck to it.

Parents can go full retard hiding things from kids. If they had have explained a stroke maybe we wouldn't have understood but we'd get the "he's very sick" idea and could have made him lots of cards and such for him to have. Instead, they just wrote him off for dead and disillusioned quite a few of us to the honesty we assumed adults had with us.

And, it was just plainly retarded for them to not realize we'd run into him eventually.

That said, I'm totally cool with like the tooth fairy. Kids know they aren't supposed to start spontaneously bleed and lose body parts so when they're really young an explanation of "how it works" isn't likely to get through.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:08 PM  
I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?
 
2012-12-04 08:36:20 PM  
Let kids believe in magic for at least a little while, before they grow up and realize that humanity is generally ugly and selfish. They don't get to use Christmas as an excuse to drink too much, at least let them have fairy tales.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:34 PM  

ColSanders: mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

Not robots, just people who have never been parents lonely neckbeards who make 4channers look parental and responsible.

 
2012-12-04 08:36:49 PM  

Slesfo: Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception.


which is why I am having trouble with the people in the article and in this thread who are making the comparison between telling a child Santa doesn't exist and telling one that God doesn't exist. I have stated many times that the reason I call myself an atheist even though I "can't prove a negative" is that for me not believing in a god is like not believing in Santa, which is logically consistent. However, it is people that actually believe in God and that don't believe in Santa (one hopes) that are making the comparison between the two.
 
2012-12-04 08:36:54 PM  
Butt-Head Jerk
*Checks article*
Jake it's, Texas
 
2012-12-04 08:36:57 PM  
Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.
 
2012-12-04 08:37:34 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.


Not a Sagittarius, obviously.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:25 PM  
To cessate
 
2012-12-04 08:38:33 PM  
it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason
 
2012-12-04 08:38:37 PM  

Blue_Blazer: I have a 2yo. First time parent. Wife loves Christmas and Santa and stuff, whereas I really think it's a bunch of crap. I was having this conversation with my dad just the other day. He went on and on about how my sister and I loved the whole Santa thing, but how I figured it out. He starts in with the usual "oh what's the harm it's all in good fun." So I waited, and then I finally made my point:

When children figure out their parents have been lying to them their whole life, they ask themselves the next logical question:
If my parents have been lying to me about this, what ELSE have they been lying to me about?

Pretty sure my kid is gonna be that one that ruins Christmas for all the kids in his class, and I am going to get some nasty phone calls from the school and from other parents.


Why are you still talking to you dad? He is a liar and did you a disservice all for his own selfish gain.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:40 PM  
Someone was doubting Konsumer Klaus lives? Oh no my friends, he is alive and well.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:48 PM  
Hm.

I guess the pertinent question is: Why does man cling to myths? Why does he wish for his offspring to do so, as well?
 
2012-12-04 08:41:17 PM  

timujin: Slesfo: Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception.

which is why I am having trouble with the people in the article and in this thread who are making the comparison between telling a child Santa doesn't exist and telling one that God doesn't exist. I have stated many times that the reason I call myself an atheist even though I "can't prove a negative" is that for me not believing in a god is like not believing in Santa, which is logically consistent. However, it is people that actually believe in God and that don't believe in Santa (one hopes) that are making the comparison between the two.


Oh, i see what you're talking about. I'm not making the comparison. I'm referencing critics of Christianity who DO make the comparison. I think it's a terribly invalid comparison (an argument for another time), but it's the comparison that Critics use, and it's the comparison that people who leave Christianity often use.
 
2012-12-04 08:41:47 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.
 
2012-12-04 08:42:03 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason

So what?


It's a sign of respect for each other, a "watching out for" when we might not mean it even in the moment but overall we'd get it on for, no dashes, should it be a crime to show respect to each other? No. To respect
 
2012-12-04 08:42:22 PM  

Ace Rimmer: mekki: sendtodave: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Childish beliefs which are taught to them by adults.

Childish adults.

They're five year olds. They believe in childish things because they ARE children.

Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

And figuring out the truth of Santa on their own is a right of passage of sorts.

The sting of finding out Santa is a lie is almost always softened by finding out it is a lie for the "little kids" and now that they are "big kids" they get to be in on the secret too.


Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."
 
2012-12-04 08:43:22 PM  

Gunny Highway: haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason

I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.


You two, no shiat?

Word.
 
2012-12-04 08:43:41 PM  

ColSanders: mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

Not robots, just people who have never been parents.


One's capacity for accepting bullshiat increases after they get older and have kids?

Yeah, that jives with my observations.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:03 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


When I say "bless you" (not "god bless you") I intend it as a blessing from me meant to convey my hope for the person's good health. I take it the same way from others and that's my farking reason for thanking them.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:22 PM  

possumchild: I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?


If asked, the response might be "Ask your parent(s) when you get home"
Not the teachers place to just come out with that statement unasked, as seems to be the case here.
 
2012-12-04 08:45:44 PM  
Indubitably: I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.

I know this class you should take!
 
2012-12-04 08:45:52 PM  

Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.

Not a Sagittarius, obviously.


Why, are they lucky? I don't need luck. I'm a Leo. We's just naturally soop supper souperio better.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:30 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


They are attempting to be polite. I will thank them for their attempt at being polite. The same way that when someone says, "God bless," I say something like, "and you." I don't believe in their mythological gibberish, but I appreciate their intent of wishing me well and will reciprocate the sentiment within their silly context. If the idiom has got a religious connotation or not doesn't matter much.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."


noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood

"Mommy, where do Christmas presents come from?"

"Santa Claus brings them!"

That is a lie.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:58 PM  
Should have told the whole truth about it being a way to pass on psychedelic mushroom rituals by pagans when their celebration of the winter equinox was usurped by the Christians.
 
2012-12-04 08:48:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Oh, ffs.

There is a big difference between letting little kids have their fantasies about Santa Claus and "lying to kids about God." Guess what: Kids figure out, about age six or seven, that Santa is fake. Often before that, but it's fun for a year or two to pretend you believe in Santa because WHAT IF..... Then there's the year or two that they don't believe in Santa but "We have to pretend because little brother or sister still thinks Santa is real" and it makes them feel all grown up to pretend with the adults for the "babies." (When they're all of 7 or 8)

Pretending like you're enlightening a five-year old because YOU in your adult, non-fantastical, non-religious way, have decided children should not live in a world of lies, it's time to put away childish things, conflating god with Santa, or whatever justification you use for killing the joy in a child's life, is not your call. Five is not a good age to be questioning either god or Santa. Five needs a few absolutes like Disney princesses and Santa Claus. And anyway, it's not up to some substitute kindergarten teacher to make that decision for them.

Ask yourself: Are these kids better off now that someone told them there is no Santa? Are they really going to now decide (at age 5) that there is no god and no Jesus and that Cinderella is really just a marketing tool? Do you think that really makes that much difference in a kid's life, except to ruin a holiday for them?


slowclap.jpg

/fully expected to find some dicks in this thread
//found them
 
2012-12-04 08:48:19 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


One of these things is not like the other...
 
2012-12-04 08:48:25 PM  

sendtodave: Gyrfalcon: Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."

noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood

"Mommy, where do Christmas presents come from?"

"Santa Claus brings them!"

That is a lie.


Are all lies bad?
 
2012-12-04 08:48:34 PM  

sendtodave: Hm.

I guess the pertinent question is: Why does man cling to myths? Why does he wish for his offspring to do so, as well?


Cause one day they will need to believe in something.....like finding a job, dating a good looking girl, getting out of the basemetn and into their own apartment, 3$ a gallon gas, being able to pick a grenade up and throw it out of the fox hole before it explodes....... 

you want them to be optimistic....
 
2012-12-04 08:49:27 PM  

minarke: Indubitably: I honestly can't tell what is real anymore.

I know this class you should take!


Nice try, but I didn't say that, the other guy did. Try again, asshole. Next time, I'm coming to find you to test you.

*)
 
2012-12-04 08:49:29 PM  
Question for parents: Is it OK when your child lies to you? Makes up unbelievable falsehoods to justify their actions?
 
2012-12-04 08:49:31 PM  

sendtodave: ColSanders: mekki: I know I am in Fark but, man, this thread is full of robots.

Not robots, just people who have never been parents.

One's capacity for accepting bullshiat increases after they get older and have kids?

Yeah, that jives with my observations.


Well shiat does come out of the kid that they personally have to deal with.
 
2012-12-04 08:49:41 PM  

Gunny Highway: Blue_Blazer: I have a 2yo. First time parent. Wife loves Christmas and Santa and stuff, whereas I really think it's a bunch of crap. I was having this conversation with my dad just the other day. He went on and on about how my sister and I loved the whole Santa thing, but how I figured it out. He starts in with the usual "oh what's the harm it's all in good fun." So I waited, and then I finally made my point:

When children figure out their parents have been lying to them their whole life, they ask themselves the next logical question:
If my parents have been lying to me about this, what ELSE have they been lying to me about?

Pretty sure my kid is gonna be that one that ruins Christmas for all the kids in his class, and I am going to get some nasty phone calls from the school and from other parents.

Why are you still talking to you dad? He is a liar and did you a disservice all for his own selfish gain.


I know, but he's helped me financially and he's a pretty good guy. He also believes in sky wizard but I still love him.
 
2012-12-04 08:50:32 PM  
My God! All of you helicopter parents proclaiming the children should never be lied to. You lie to them every day, if not every hour. Spinach gave Popeye super strength. Should they not watch that cartoon? Bugs Bunny could talk...rabbits can't talk. Since when was letting a kid unleash his/her imagination unhealthy? And yes...this is for all of you adults that slept with a lottery ticket under your pillow dreaming of winning the big $500mil. Give your kids a break and let them be kids for Christ's sake.
 
2012-12-04 08:51:05 PM  

haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason


You are sooooo good looking
 
2012-12-04 08:51:17 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

I looked for a "That's Racist?" gif, but no such luck.

Not a Sagittarius, obviously.

Why, are they lucky? I don't need luck. I'm a Leo. We's just naturally soop supper souperio better.


To be a lion in life while cosmologically not: discuss veracity.
 
2012-12-04 08:51:34 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Santa is not a "lie." This is something that, as I read through the thread, I find very odd. Santa is a "story." People seem to have this idea that telling little kids about Santa is done with some malicious intent, the same kind of evil that fraudsters use to bilk people out of money or something. By that metric, anything told to a child that is "not real" is a lie. So is telling a child a fairy tale a "lie"? If you read "The Hobbit" as a bedtime story without carefully explaining in excruciating detail that there's no such thing as hobbits and no such place as Middle Earth, did you just lie to them?

This is a really idiot angle to argue, that Santa is a "lie."


You ever eat a plate of cookies your encouraged your kid to leave out for Bilbo and then later tell 'em that you're sure he enjoyed them? It's the mixing of story and reality that's the deception. Doesn't quite have the malice to be a "lie", but you're intentionally encouraging them to continue thinking what you know to be untrue.

/Be considerate
//Put them on a low table
 
2012-12-04 08:51:42 PM  

Slesfo: timujin: Slesfo: Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception.

which is why I am having trouble with the people in the article and in this thread who are making the comparison between telling a child Santa doesn't exist and telling one that God doesn't exist. I have stated many times that the reason I call myself an atheist even though I "can't prove a negative" is that for me not believing in a god is like not believing in Santa, which is logically consistent. However, it is people that actually believe in God and that don't believe in Santa (one hopes) that are making the comparison between the two.

Oh, i see what you're talking about. I'm not making the comparison. I'm referencing critics of Christianity who DO make the comparison. I think it's a terribly invalid comparison (an argument for another time), but it's the comparison that Critics use, and it's the comparison that people who leave Christianity often use.


Sorry, I think I was unclear. I didn't mean you were making the comparison, rather just expounding on the point about the two arguments.
 
2012-12-04 08:52:08 PM  

Indubitably: haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason

So what?

It's a sign of respect for each other, a "watching out for" when we might not mean it even in the moment but overall we'd get it on for, no dashes, should it be a crime to show respect to each other? No. To respect


so it would be more appropiate when we fart
 
2012-12-04 08:52:50 PM  
Santa is a minor deity in religion of Coca Cola.


ProfessorOhk
: In aural form:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeqthlUY5UY&noredirect=1
Link
 
2012-12-04 08:53:25 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Coco LaFemme:
Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.


.... Or that a zombie-deity can hear your unspoken thoughts to grant you wishes; and just to be on the safe you ceremoniously eat his flesh and drink his blood. And you can't forget that of the 6,000 years Earth has been there was once a point where two of EVERY animal on Earth was put on a boat to survive for over a month with a man and his family who later repopulated the planet.

It's a good thing that no one in power in the United States would believe such outlandish fairy tales.


I'm an atheist dear, you're preaching to the choir......to borrow the expression.
 
2012-12-04 08:53:58 PM  
dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-12-04 08:54:02 PM  
However, Krampus is real.
 
2012-12-04 08:54:44 PM  

haywatchthis: Indubitably: haywatchthis: it's refreashing to hear people tell the truth for a change
to bad tommorrow alot of people will be saying, bless you, after someone sneezes and you will reply, thank you, for no farking reason

So what?

It's a sign of respect for each other, a "watching out for" when we might not mean it even in the moment but overall we'd get it on for, no dashes, should it be a crime to show respect to each other? No. To respect

so it would be more appropiate when we fart


Probably.
 
2012-12-04 08:54:52 PM  

flynn80: Should have told the whole truth about it being a way to pass on psychedelic mushroom rituals by pagans when their celebration of the winter equinox was usurped by the Christians.


Whoa! 

rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-12-04 08:54:53 PM  

sendtodave: Question for parents: Is it OK when your child lies to you? Makes up unbelievable falsehoods to justify their actions?


"Hey Dad! SURPRISE! I am planning you a surprise birthday party. It will be next Tuesday at 5:00PM in the park. old friends you havent see in years will be there and i got you that painting you have been searching for all these lomg years. See ya then."

*phone click*

'I wish I had thought that damn kid about lying'
 
2012-12-04 08:55:03 PM  
I've said it before on this site, and it's been proven in this thread. There are some truly miserable people that post on this site.
 
2012-12-04 08:55:51 PM  
Seventeen days.
 
2012-12-04 08:57:06 PM  
Not that big of a deal in the whole big world wide picture of lifes problems.
 
2012-12-04 08:57:31 PM  
I take great delight in shredding the happy facade put into place on most topics in the United States. It's also fun to impart your own fantasies on the minds of the gullible. Now, you may call me a sociopath, but at least I'm not exploiting those topics to gain power or money from it.

It often doesn't work on the intelligent though. I can only assume because it takes a very healthy dose of skepticism to actually become intelligent. For instance a dumb person may look at a math problem and go, "That looks okay. Good enough." -- Where in intelligent person may think, "You know. It seems correct but I'm not completely convinced. Let me see what other solutions I can get."
 
2012-12-04 08:57:44 PM  

MDGeist: Not that big of a deal in the whole big world wide picture of lifes problems.


Apostrophe absent.
 
2012-12-04 08:57:53 PM  

maxalt: Maybe that teacher should find out what it is like to come down the chimney.


Octomom thread?
 
2012-12-04 08:58:41 PM  

possumchild: I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?


Where does Santa, religion or anything you consider a myth fit into the lesson plan for five year olds? Let this lower level government employee stick to what she is supposed to be teaching. She and her ilk need to realize their mere education degrees do not make them some all knowing, all powerful social engineers whose job is to contradict the desire of parents in these matters.

Despite the almost $1 trillion combined this country spends on education these government hacks can barely produce a literate product from our school systems. Maybe these union thugs should concentrate on actually doing a better job than they are instead ruining childhoods and trying to usurp parental authority. After all it is the parents who are paying the bills.
 
2012-12-04 08:59:04 PM  

dabbletech: maxalt: Maybe that teacher should find out what it is like to come down the chimney.

Octomom thread?

To entomb

 
2012-12-04 08:59:29 PM  

soupbone: I've said it before on this site, and it's been proven in this thread. There are some truly miserable people that post on this site.


Are we talking about the people that encourage logic, morality, and critical thinking?

Or the ones that are so disappointed with reality that they espouse fantasies?
 
2012-12-04 09:00:33 PM  

hasty ambush: possumchild: I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?

Where does Santa, religion or anything you consider a myth fit into the lesson plan for five year olds? Let this lower level government employee stick to what she is supposed to be teaching. She and her ilk need to realize their mere education degrees do not make them some all knowing, all powerful social engineers whose job is to contradict the desire of parents in these matters.

Despite the almost $1 trillion combined this country spends on education these government hacks can barely produce a literate product from our school systems. Maybe these union thugs should concentrate on actually doing a better job than they are instead ruining childhoods and trying to usurp parental authority. After all it is the parents who are paying the bills.


Seriously?

Just stop.

Try paying teachers as much as you pay your bankers/fund-managers/douchebags.
 
2012-12-04 09:00:42 PM  

mekki: Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.


Yeah unless your parents are too poor to buy you any presents(no they didn't tell me santa was real), and your classmates assume you didn't get toys because you were bad, and then use that as "justification" for bullying/beating you up for your lunch money.

Many years I recieved nothing for christmas, we were lucky to even have food some years.

but yeah, they may not have damage, but they may cause it.
 
2012-12-04 09:00:44 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.


I know. and the other day I had to smack my son's face when I caught him playing with Star Wars action figures, pretending like they were talking to each other and having adventures. "THOSE AREN'T REALLY PEOPLE!" I screamed at him. "THEY CAN'T HAVE ADVENTURES, THEY ARE JUST CHUNKS OF CHEAP PLASTIC, STUPID! GO TO YOUR ROOM UNTIL YOU LEARN TO NOT BE RETARDED!"

Me and you are keeping it real for our kidz, amirite? Fist bump.
 
2012-12-04 09:01:04 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: jtown: As a former child, I recall a period of bitter resentment as I discovered lie after lie.

That said, I'm totally cool with like the tooth fairy. Kids know they aren't supposed to start spontaneously bleed and lose body parts so when they're really young an explanation of "how it works" isn't likely to get through.


"How it works" made sense to me as a kid. I understood that baby teeth were supposed to fall out and be replaced with larger teeth. Why else would they be called baby teeth? Tho I did fall for the tooth fairy ruse at first. I figured out pretty quick that mom was the one putting the money under my pillow.
 
2012-12-04 09:02:36 PM  
As long as the Internet exists Santa can not
 
2012-12-04 09:02:54 PM  

sendtodave: Question for parents: Is it OK when your child lies to you? Makes up unbelievable falsehoods to justify their actions?


If it means I get presents out of the equation, hell yeah.

My kid can lie and say that moon is actually Santa's secret base and the reason why it's so big is because that's where he makes all the presents. And I wouldn't care if I get a Ipad out of it.
 
2012-12-04 09:03:48 PM  

Indubitably: hasty ambush: possumchild: I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?

Where does Santa, religion or anything you consider a myth fit into the lesson plan for five year olds? Let this lower level government employee stick to what she is supposed to be teaching. She and her ilk need to realize their mere education degrees do not make them some all knowing, all powerful social engineers whose job is to contradict the desire of parents in these matters.

Despite the almost $1 trillion combined this country spends on education these government hacks can barely produce a literate product from our school systems. Maybe these union thugs should concentrate on actually doing a better job than they are instead ruining childhoods and trying to usurp parental authority. After all it is the parents who are paying the bills.

Seriously?

Just stop.

Try paying teachers as much as you pay your bankers/fund-managers/douchebags.


*raises hand*

I'll build you a school that succeeds like an engine: we pour in talented teachers with tools, we fire up our students, and our engine of American human innovation will run. Just watch us.
 
2012-12-04 09:04:24 PM  

Delawheredad: I told my kids that it is fun to pretend there is a Santa. That worked out fine. Now our favorite Santa is the one in the movie "Rare Exports." According to my kids that is the Santa they are going to tell their kids about!


Actually that one is probably closer to the real "Santa" then the one we have now.

Real Santa's main job wasn't to give toys to everyone... it was to beat the shiat out of kids who were bad.
 
2012-12-04 09:04:29 PM  

GORDON: Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.

I know. and the other day I had to smack my son's face when I caught him playing with Star Wars action figures, pretending like they were talking to each other and having adventures. "THOSE AREN'T REALLY PEOPLE!" I screamed at him. "THEY CAN'T HAVE ADVENTURES, THEY ARE JUST CHUNKS OF CHEAP PLASTIC, STUPID! GO TO YOUR ROOM UNTIL YOU LEARN TO NOT BE RETARDED!"

Me and you are keeping it real for our kidz, amirite? Fist bump.


What you said has nothing to do with what I said. My kid is welcome to have all the fantasies he wants. But I'm not going to tell him "you need to believe in Darth Vader because otherwise he might find your lack of faith disturbing."

But it's good to know you smack your kid around.
 
2012-12-04 09:04:54 PM  

timujin: Slesfo: timujin: Slesfo: Even from an Atheist perspective, telling children about Santa is a systematic lie; Telling them about God is merely perpetuating a harmful misconception.

which is why I am having trouble with the people in the article and in this thread who are making the comparison between telling a child Santa doesn't exist and telling one that God doesn't exist. I have stated many times that the reason I call myself an atheist even though I "can't prove a negative" is that for me not believing in a god is like not believing in Santa, which is logically consistent. However, it is people that actually believe in God and that don't believe in Santa (one hopes) that are making the comparison between the two.

Oh, i see what you're talking about. I'm not making the comparison. I'm referencing critics of Christianity who DO make the comparison. I think it's a terribly invalid comparison (an argument for another time), but it's the comparison that Critics use, and it's the comparison that people who leave Christianity often use.

Sorry, I think I was unclear. I didn't mean you were making the comparison, rather just expounding on the point about the two arguments.


So it turns out that I didn't RTFA, and didn't realize that people were criticizing the teacher for telling the kids that santa isn't real by saying that it's like a teacher telling them that God isn't real.

Holy shiat people are stupid.
 
2012-12-04 09:04:59 PM  
FTFA: Or as the mom put it on her Facebook page: "Another adult has no right to submit their own beliefs on a group of 5 year olds and their families - about Santa, God, politics or whatever - especially phrased 'your belief is not right.'"

I think the problem here is that the mother still believes in Santa Claus, which is not that surprising, as every year for the last few years she has become Santa Claus at Christmas for her daughter.
 
2012-12-04 09:05:01 PM  
You can't spell disillusioned without illusion.
 
2012-12-04 09:05:24 PM  
BTW, I see a difference between Santa and God. When my sister and I were little, I don't remember my parents threatening us with no Christmas if we didn't behave, because Santa wouldn't come and leave presents under our tree. I do however, remember them telling us that if we didn't pray every night before going to bed, God would be very angry at us and if God was angry at you, bad things would happen. One night I didn't pray before going to bed, I was maybe 8 or 9 years old, and the next morning, I fell down the stairs and broke my ankle. I was convinced that if I had prayed the night before, I wouldn't have a broken ankle. That kind of shiat psychologically scars a child.

Letting a bunch of kids believe in Santa Claus and flying reindeer and the North Pole and elves and Candy Cane Lane and all this other festive stuff that a) kids grow out of and b) only occurs once a year.....what's the farking problem? I don't have kids, but if some 3-year-old asksme if Santa is real, am I supposed to look at him/her and say, "No, your parents are nothing but filthy liars hell-bent on causing you mental pain and anguish, and nothing is real, life is hell"?
 
2012-12-04 09:06:04 PM  

GORDON: Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.

I know. and the other day I had to smack my son's face when I caught him playing with Star Wars action figures, pretending like they were talking to each other and having adventures. "THOSE AREN'T REALLY PEOPLE!" I screamed at him. "THEY CAN'T HAVE ADVENTURES, THEY ARE JUST CHUNKS OF CHEAP PLASTIC, STUPID! GO TO YOUR ROOM UNTIL YOU LEARN TO NOT BE RETARDED!"

Me and you are keeping it real for our kidz, amirite? Fist bump.


The kid already knows they're action figures. Santa is more akin to... to giving your kid a Darth Vader action figure, telling him he's alive but just waiting and if he's not good, it will force choke him in his sleep.
 
2012-12-04 09:07:12 PM  

Blue_Blazer: What you said has nothing to do with what I said. My kid is welcome to have all the fantasies he wants. But I'm not going to tell him "you need to believe in Darth Vader because otherwise he might find your lack of faith disturbing."

But it's good to know you smack your kid around.


*shakes tiny black armored fist*
 
2012-12-04 09:07:14 PM  

BlaqueKatt: mekki: Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

Yeah unless your parents are too poor to buy you any presents(no they didn't tell me santa was real), and your classmates assume you didn't get toys because you were bad, and then use that as "justification" for bullying/beating you up for your lunch money.

Many years I recieved nothing for christmas, we were lucky to even have food some years.

but yeah, they may not have damage, but they may cause it.


Do you think they would have beat you up if you had a "Santa Isn't Real" seminar at preschool orientation? Kids can be cruel, Santa or no.
 
2012-12-04 09:09:10 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Blue_Blazer: What you said has nothing to do with what I said. My kid is welcome to have all the fantasies he wants. But I'm not going to tell him "you need to believe in Darth Vader because otherwise he might find your lack of faith disturbing."

But it's good to know you smack your kid around.

*shakes tiny black armored fist*


It's like telling them that their Darth Vader action figure is their father.
 
2012-12-04 09:10:32 PM  

Gunny Highway: BlaqueKatt: mekki: Santa Claus is a chance for kids to play with their imagination. To imagine how one guy delivers presents all around the world in one night. No one is going to die because a tiny tot believes in a guy with a magic sled and bottomless sack of gifts. Mind you, these same kids will stop believing in him as they grow older without having any permanent damage for believing in the first place.

Yeah unless your parents are too poor to buy you any presents(no they didn't tell me santa was real), and your classmates assume you didn't get toys because you were bad, and then use that as "justification" for bullying/beating you up for your lunch money.

Many years I recieved nothing for christmas, we were lucky to even have food some years.

but yeah, they may not have damage, but they may cause it.

Do you think they would have beat you up if you had a "Santa Isn't Real" seminar at preschool orientation? Kids can be cruel, Santa or no.


Oh, well then, might as well lie to the tykes. Rotten little bastards deserve it.
 
2012-12-04 09:10:50 PM  

sendtodave: ProfessorOhki: Blue_Blazer: What you said has nothing to do with what I said. My kid is welcome to have all the fantasies he wants. But I'm not going to tell him "you need to believe in Darth Vader because otherwise he might find your lack of faith disturbing."

But it's good to know you smack your kid around.

*shakes tiny black armored fist*

It's like telling them that their Darth Vader action figure is their father.


Um,

Quit talking to your kid about his action figures at all?
 
2012-12-04 09:11:24 PM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


I am OK with this.

I also am OK with asking the kids to ask their partents to provide proof of the existance of any god.
I am also OK with asking the religious people who come to my door to provide any proof what so ever of a supernatural being, any being any proof.

the best any of them have done so far is , "I just have this feeling that there is." basically an emotional need for there to be gods.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 09:12:32 PM  

Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.


Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis
 
2012-12-04 09:13:23 PM  

gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis


History: what is it?
 
2012-12-04 09:13:24 PM  
Who is John Galt?
 
2012-12-04 09:13:30 PM  

sendtodave: ProfessorOhki: Blue_Blazer: What you said has nothing to do with what I said. My kid is welcome to have all the fantasies he wants. But I'm not going to tell him "you need to believe in Darth Vader because otherwise he might find your lack of faith disturbing."

But it's good to know you smack your kid around.

*shakes tiny black armored fist*

It's like telling them that their Darth Vader action figure is their father.


That's not true! That's impossible!
 
2012-12-04 09:13:50 PM  
Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.
 
2012-12-04 09:14:44 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


White lies are what protect you from finding out your Mommy is a hermie
 
2012-12-04 09:14:48 PM  
Yea that would suck, but it isn't going to seriously warp your kid. I mean you are going to have to explain to them why we have Santa anyway.

Also, were any of you upset when you realized there was no Santa? Uh probably not. Wow, a lie with the purpose of having some make believe fun and just pretending? I would be upset if I realized that my parents decided not to celebrate Christmas because it was all make believe anyway (and I'm an athiest).

You think that kids, who will insist that they are Luke Skywalker or something for days to weeks (my sister once demanded to be called "Hockey Nick" for an entire summer) don't understand that we sometimes make things up for fun?
 
2012-12-04 09:14:54 PM  

Indubitably: hasty ambush: possumchild: I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?

Where does Santa, religion or anything you consider a myth fit into the lesson plan for five year olds? Let this lower level government employee stick to what she is supposed to be teaching. She and her ilk need to realize their mere education degrees do not make them some all knowing, all powerful social engineers whose job is to contradict the desire of parents in these matters.

Despite the almost $1 trillion combined this country spends on education these government hacks can barely produce a literate product from our school systems. Maybe these union thugs should concentrate on actually doing a better job than they are instead ruining childhoods and trying to usurp parental authority. After all it is the parents who are paying the bills.

Seriously?

Just stop.

Try paying teachers as much as you pay your bankers/fund-managers/douchebags.


Teachers need to try earning it first. They want more money prove they deserve it. As it is for the results we get they are grossly overpaid:

OECD

"OECD countries now spend an average of USD 7,343 per student per year between primary and tertiary education, but this masks a broad range of expenditure across countries. Switzerland and the U.S. spend the most, with average annual outlays per student of more than USD 11,000. At the other end of the scale, Mexico and the Slovak Republic spend around USD 2,000 per student per year. The drivers of expenditure per student vary across countries: among the five countries with the highest expenditure per student, Switzerland and the United States are two of the countries with the highest teachers' salaries at secondary level of education whereas Austria, Denmark and Norway are among the countries with the lowest student to teaching staff ratio.


Spending is not necessarily a guarantee of higher quality in terms of education, though: Australia, Belgium, the Czech Republic, Finland, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands and New Zealand all have moderate expenditure on education per student at the primary and lower secondary levels but are among the countries where 15-year-olds perform strongest in key subject areas."
 
2012-12-04 09:15:04 PM  

Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?


NVM, you are oblivious, no?

Please don't answer.

Thank you.
 
2012-12-04 09:15:34 PM  

sendtodave: soupbone: I've said it before on this site, and it's been proven in this thread. There are some truly miserable people that post on this site.

Are we talking about the people that encourage logic, morality, and critical thinking?

Or the ones that are so disappointed with reality that they espouse fantasies?


Because it's impossible to encourage logic and critical thinking while also encouraging the imagination and creativity of children right? We are talking about young children remember? Fark is full of people that need to mind their own farking business, this story included.
 
2012-12-04 09:15:40 PM  
Last week I convinced my 5 year old daughter and 3 year old son that Krampus is real.
It's pretty damn awesome.
 
2012-12-04 09:16:02 PM  

hasty ambush: Indubitably: hasty ambush: possumchild: I'm not sure why it is any teacher's responsibility/ethical mandate to perpetuate a myth foisted upon their little snowflakes by their parents. What other fibs is the teacher supposed to tell, that thunder is God shouting? Or that Fido is 'in doggie heaven'? or stepping on a crack will break mommy's back? How's anyone supposed to keep up with all that?

Where does Santa, religion or anything you consider a myth fit into the lesson plan for five year olds? Let this lower level government employee stick to what she is supposed to be teaching. She and her ilk need to realize their mere education degrees do not make them some all knowing, all powerful social engineers whose job is to contradict the desire of parents in these matters.

Despite the almost $1 trillion combined this country spends on education these government hacks can barely produce a literate product from our school systems. Maybe these union thugs should concentrate on actually doing a better job than they are instead ruining childhoods and trying to usurp parental authority. After all it is the parents who are paying the bills.

Seriously?

Just stop.

Try paying teachers as much as you pay your bankers/fund-managers/douchebags.

Teachers need to try earning it first. They want more money prove they deserve it. As it is for the results we get they are grossly overpaid:

OECD

"OECD countries now spend an average of USD 7,343 per student per year between primary and tertiary education, but this masks a broad range of expenditure across countries. Switzerland and the U.S. spend the most, with average annual outlays per student of more than USD 11,000. At the other end of the scale, Mexico and the Slovak Republic spend around USD 2,000 per student per year. The drivers of expenditure per student vary across countries: among the five countries with the highest expenditure per student, Switzerland and the United States are two of the countries with the highe ...


You demonstrate ignorance according to a rule...
 
2012-12-04 09:16:02 PM  

jtown: That Guy...From That Show!: jtown: As a former child, I recall a period of bitter resentment as I discovered lie after lie.

That said, I'm totally cool with like the tooth fairy. Kids know they aren't supposed to start spontaneously bleed and lose body parts so when they're really young an explanation of "how it works" isn't likely to get through.

"How it works" made sense to me as a kid. I understood that baby teeth were supposed to fall out and be replaced with larger teeth. Why else would they be called baby teeth? Tho I did fall for the tooth fairy ruse at first. I figured out pretty quick that mom was the one putting the money under my pillow.


Well, sure, and it depends on the experience of a child as well. I've only talked about the tooth fairy when it was obvious the child didn't have knowledge otherwise...for example, a kid with a bunch of older brothers and sisters knows the routine and it's no biggie. Of course, they'd love the cash anyway!
 
2012-12-04 09:16:47 PM  

Lernaeus: Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.

Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.


At 5 years old, I really don't think teaching them skills they need to become independent human beings would be paramount. By your account, why drive them 10 miles out of town with only a sleeping bag and canteen and kick them out of the car? That should teach them independence by God! The imagination of a 5 year old is priceless! Why don't you just stomp on on a Faberge Egg?
 
2012-12-04 09:18:01 PM  

sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.


You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?
 
2012-12-04 09:18:34 PM  

Porous Horace: Who is John Galt?


Fuk Ayn Rand.

She was a self-absorbed, self-described, and self-aggrandized douchebag, period.

To overidentify with a fabricated self
 
2012-12-04 09:18:43 PM  

99.998er: Lernaeus: Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.

Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.

At 5 years old, I really don't think teaching them skills they need to become independent human beings would be paramount. By your account, why drive them 10 miles out of town with only a sleeping bag and canteen and kick them out of the car? That should teach them independence by God! The imagination of a 5 year old is priceless! Why don't you just stomp on on a Faberge Egg?


Why shouldn't we man?! They have to grow up sometime! We should lower your age to 3 years old.
 
2012-12-04 09:19:19 PM  

Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?


Apostrophe?

*Sigh*
 
2012-12-04 09:19:29 PM  

soupbone: encouraging the imagination and creativity of children


Young children learn from experience that stating an untruth can avoid punishment for misdeeds, before they develop the theory of mind necessary to understand why it works. In this stage of development, children will sometimes tell outrageous and unbelievable lies, because they lack the conceptual framework to judge whether a statement is believable, or even to understand the concept of believability.

When children first learn how lying works, they lack the moral understanding of when to refrain from doing it. This takes years of watching people tell lies, and the results of these lies, to develop a proper understanding. Propensity to lie varies greatly between children, some doing so habitually and others being habitually honest. Habits in this regard are likely to change in early adulthood. -- wikipedia


"Santa knows when you've been bad." - a lie
"I have been very good!" - another lie

Encouraging creativity!
 
2012-12-04 09:19:46 PM  

madgordy: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

I am OK with this.

I also am OK with asking the kids to ask their partents to provide proof of the existance of any god.
I am also OK with asking the religious people who come to my door to provide any proof what so ever of a supernatural being, any being any proof.

the best any of them have done so far is , "I just have this feeling that there is." basically an emotional need for there to be gods.

ts4.mm.bing.net

 
2012-12-04 09:20:33 PM  
I love the lefties. One day they're telling you to to let kids be kids, the next, they're telling you to spoil holidays for 5 year olds in the name of truth.
 
2012-12-04 09:20:37 PM  
To ass
 
2012-12-04 09:20:48 PM  

spunkymunky: Last week I convinced my 5 year old daughter and 3 year old son that Krampus is real.
It's pretty damn awesome.


I managed to convince some guys that 9/11 was an inside job, and that Obama isn't American.

To be fair, they probably still believed in Santa Claus, too.
 
2012-12-04 09:20:58 PM  
spunkymunky: It's things like that that make me wish I had kids.
 
2012-12-04 09:21:39 PM  

Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*


Huh?
 
2012-12-04 09:21:43 PM  

sendtodave: spunkymunky: Last week I convinced my 5 year old daughter and 3 year old son that Krampus is real.
It's pretty damn awesome.

I managed to convince some guys that 9/11 was an inside job, and that Obama isn't American.

To be fair, they probably still believed in Santa Claus, too.


Are you keeping score?
 
2012-12-04 09:21:48 PM  

sendtodave: soupbone: encouraging the imagination and creativity of children

Young children learn from experience that stating an untruth can avoid punishment for misdeeds, before they develop the theory of mind necessary to understand why it works. In this stage of development, children will sometimes tell outrageous and unbelievable lies, because they lack the conceptual framework to judge whether a statement is believable, or even to understand the concept of believability.

When children first learn how lying works, they lack the moral understanding of when to refrain from doing it. This takes years of watching people tell lies, and the results of these lies, to develop a proper understanding. Propensity to lie varies greatly between children, some doing so habitually and others being habitually honest. Habits in this regard are likely to change in early adulthood. -- wikipedia

"Santa knows when you've been bad." - a lie
"I have been very good!" - another lie

Encouraging creativity!


Wikipedia Psych 101! Thanks for the child psychology lesson! Now I know why I come to Fark. To learn how to raise kids from the best and brightest in the world.
 
2012-12-04 09:22:07 PM  

Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?


If the kid isn't really sorry, they'd be lying.
 
2012-12-04 09:22:19 PM  

Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*

Huh?


Exactly.
 
2012-12-04 09:25:19 PM  

DreamyAltarBoy: It seems I was born to piss on your fantasies.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-04 09:25:42 PM  

Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*

Huh?

Exactly.


I'm assuming I did something stupid and you are making fun. Continue if you must.
 
2012-12-04 09:26:36 PM  

soupbone: Wikipedia Psych 101! Thanks for the child psychology lesson! Now I know why I come to Fark. To learn how to raise kids from the best and brightest in the world.


Um. All that basically said is that "kids learn that lying works, but they're not very good at it."

Is this incorrect?
 
2012-12-04 09:27:03 PM  
The teacher is a farking moron. Everyone stops believing in Santa Claus in their own time. I don't remember the exact age I stopped believing, but it was a natural transition from myth to reality.
 
2012-12-04 09:27:07 PM  
The kids have become body count in the War on Christmas.
 
2012-12-04 09:27:10 PM  

Indubitably: Porous Horace: Who is John Galt?

Fuk Ayn Rand.

She was a self-absorbed, self-described, and self-aggrandized douchebag, period.

To overidentify with a fabricated self


Um... do you realize that you posted a complete sentence?
Are you feeling ok?
 
2012-12-04 09:27:24 PM  

Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*

Huh?

Exactly.

I'm assuming I did something stupid and you are making fun. Continue if you must.


Awwwww.
 
2012-12-04 09:28:09 PM  

Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*

Huh?

Exactly.

I'm assuming I did something stupid and you are making fun. Continue if you must.


You said "dont." The horror.
 
2012-12-04 09:28:20 PM  

Porous Horace: Indubitably: Porous Horace: Who is John Galt?

Fuk Ayn Rand.

She was a self-absorbed, self-described, and self-aggrandized douchebag, period.

To overidentify with a fabricated self

Um... do you realize that you posted a complete sentence?
Are you feeling ok?


Cute.
 
2012-12-04 09:28:29 PM  
You can be a douchebag all you want to adults, but leave the kids the fark alone.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-04 09:29:12 PM  

Coco LaFemme: BTW, I see a difference between Santa and God. When my sister and I were little, I don't remember my parents threatening us with no Christmas if we didn't behave, because Santa wouldn't come and leave presents under our tree. I do however, remember them telling us that if we didn't pray every night before going to bed, God would be very angry at us and if God was angry at you, bad things would happen. One night I didn't pray before going to bed, I was maybe 8 or 9 years old, and the next morning, I fell down the stairs and broke my ankle. I was convinced that if I had prayed the night before, I wouldn't have a broken ankle. That kind of shiat psychologically scars a child.


Proof God exists!!!

/and that he micromanages
 
2012-12-04 09:29:24 PM  

Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*

Huh?

Exactly.

I'm assuming I did something stupid and you are making fun. Continue if you must.

Awwwww.


Ohhhhhhhh.
 
2012-12-04 09:29:30 PM  

sendtodave: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*

Huh?

Exactly.

I'm assuming I did something stupid and you are making fun. Continue if you must.

You said "dont." The horror.


*circle the wagons of dysfunction*
 
2012-12-04 09:30:36 PM  
So I hung up on that two-year-old little snot. Sent him crying. It was a good start to a day that could do nothing but improve as it lived itself out.
 
2012-12-04 09:30:36 PM  
If she did that to one of my kids, I would possibly rape her in such a way as for her to start begging GOD for salvation from me, and then start cursing GOD for how much he is making her suffer, then finally come to the realization that God is not listening to her because she does not truly believe.

It would take a couple of hours, maybe days... but it would happen.


of course that just complete conjecture I would never do that and dont advocate anyone do that.
 
2012-12-04 09:30:40 PM  
Deck us all with Boston Charlie,
Walla Walla, Wash., an' Kalamazoo!
Nora's freezin' on the trolley,
Swaller dollar cauliflower alley-garoo!

Don't we know archaic barrel
Lullaby Lilla Boy, Louisville Lou?
Trolley Molly don't love Harold,
Boola boola Pensacoola hullabaloo!

Bark us all bow-wows of folly,
Polly wolly cracker 'n' too-da-loo!
Donkey Bonny brays a carol,
Antelope Cantaloupe, 'lope with you!

Hunky Dory's pop is lolly gaggin' on the wagon,
Willy, folly go through!
Chollie's collie barks at Barrow,
Harum scarum five alarm bung-a-loo!

Dunk us all in bowls of barley,
Hinky dinky dink an' polly voo!
Chilly Filly's name is Chollie,
Chollie Filly's jolly chilly view halloo!

Bark us all bow-wows of folly,
Double-bubble, toyland trouble! Woof, woof, woof!
Tizzy seas on melon collie!
Dibble-dabble, scribble-scrabble! Goof, goof, goof!

Tickle salty boss anchovie,
Wash a wash a wall Anna Kangaroo!
Ducky allus bows to Polly,
Prolly Wally would but har'ly do!

Dock us all a bowsprit, Solly,
Golly, Solly's cold and so's ol' Lou!

-Walt Kelly

/the truth is out there
 
2012-12-04 09:31:37 PM  

mattharvest: ManateeGag: I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

Why is a school talking about Santa or any other religious figure at all?


Hint: Santa is not a religious figure

when i was in elementary school 30 yrs ago, we talked about Santa and drew pictures of him around christmastime, and he was represented in our school christmas plays.

I'm atheist, but still let my kids have the magic of santa belief when they were kids, right along with the tooth fairy and easter bunny. Sooner or later they find out that its not real, and usually are not traumatized by this realization.

At the same time, I see no reason for this teacher to outright tell kindergartners that santa isn't real and that their parents are lying to them. That's just not called for.
 
2012-12-04 09:31:49 PM  
Only a certain sect of the community is upset that teachers dont perpetuate a lie.
 
2012-12-04 09:32:14 PM  

Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: Indubitably: Gunny Highway: sendtodave: Johnny, I know you broke Mrs. McKinney's window. It is not all right to lie!

But you lied about Santa Claus.

It is not all right for you to lie. To us. Now go tell Ms. McKinney you are sorry.

But I'm not. I hate her.

Tell her anyway!

Parent logic.

You shouldn't apologize for doing something dickish to someone you dont like?

Apostrophe?

*Sigh*

Huh?

Exactly.

I'm assuming I did something stupid and you are making fun. Continue if you must.

Awwwww.

Ohhhhhhhh.


What did you realize?

Here's what I noticed: you forget to apostrophe the "dont".

This fits into my theory about Republicans and apostrophes, but that would be a threadjack, so I shan't, but really?
 
2012-12-04 09:32:47 PM  

sendtodave: soupbone: Wikipedia Psych 101! Thanks for the child psychology lesson! Now I know why I come to Fark. To learn how to raise kids from the best and brightest in the world.

Um. All that basically said is that "kids learn that lying works, but they're not very good at it."

Is this incorrect?


"Encouraging creativity!"

This was the last part of your post suggesting that a belief in Santa = kids learning to lie. I counter that the simple belief in something mythical like Santa stimulates the imagination of children. Again, it's young minds that shouldn't be shown videos of war, death, or any other adult themed chaos. Reality kicks in soon enough and needs no fast forward button.
 
2012-12-04 09:33:10 PM  
Deck the halls with lox and bagels

/channukah carol
 
2012-12-04 09:34:01 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Deck us all with Boston Charlie,
Walla Walla, Wash., an' Kalamazoo!
Nora's freezin' on the trolley,
Swaller dollar cauliflower alley-garoo!

Don't we know archaic barrel
Lullaby Lilla Boy, Louisville Lou?
Trolley Molly don't love Harold,
Boola boola Pensacoola hullabaloo!

Bark us all bow-wows of folly,
Polly wolly cracker 'n' too-da-loo!
Donkey Bonny brays a carol,
Antelope Cantaloupe, 'lope with you!

Hunky Dory's pop is lolly gaggin' on the wagon,
Willy, folly go through!
Chollie's collie barks at Barrow,
Harum scarum five alarm bung-a-loo!

Dunk us all in bowls of barley,
Hinky dinky dink an' polly voo!
Chilly Filly's name is Chollie,
Chollie Filly's jolly chilly view halloo!

Bark us all bow-wows of folly,
Double-bubble, toyland trouble! Woof, woof, woof!
Tizzy seas on melon collie!
Dibble-dabble, scribble-scrabble! Goof, goof, goof!

Tickle salty boss anchovie,
Wash a wash a wall Anna Kangaroo!
Ducky allus bows to Polly,
Prolly Wally would but har'ly do!

Dock us all a bowsprit, Solly,
Golly, Solly's cold and so's ol' Lou!

-Walt Kelly

/the truth is out there


Wow.

Dense.

*)
 
2012-12-04 09:35:32 PM  

soupbone: This was the last part of your post suggesting that a belief in Santa = kids learning to lie. I counter that the simple belief in something mythical like Santa stimulates the imagination of children. Again, it's young minds that shouldn't be shown videos of war, death, or any other adult themed chaos. Reality kicks in soon enough and needs no fast forward button.


Reality isn't all that bad. Nothing to hide from. Or hide your children from.
 
2012-12-04 09:35:52 PM  

dopekitty74: Hint: Santa is not a religious figure


hint
yes he is
Saint Nicholas. look it up

interestingly enough with the timing. Tomorrow is the feast of st nicholas
 
2012-12-04 09:36:48 PM  
Reality is the only place where one can find escapes from reality.
 
2012-12-04 09:37:25 PM  

Porous Horace: Deck the halls with lox and bagels

/channukah carol


God Rest Ye Yummy, Gentlemen
 
2012-12-04 09:38:10 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.


wouldn't that be worst for them psychologically at that age? ........ that your love for them is based on material gifts?
 
2012-12-04 09:39:59 PM  
"Also, children, that good monster who stays in your room at night to keep you safe from the bad monsters? Not real. There's no bad monster, either; it's just a silly fear based on your developing mind's simplistic understanding that you are an insignificant speck with no ability to control your surroundings.

"And your cousin who died in Afghanistan? Yeah, I know your parents told you he died bravely, but they were lying. His last moments were consumed with fear, and he was screaming for his mommy while his buddies tried to stuff his guts back in. Then he peed himself and died. He came home in a full-sized coffin, but that wasn't really necessary.

"Okay kids, nap time!"
 
2012-12-04 09:40:01 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...


And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.
 
2012-12-04 09:40:17 PM  

dopekitty74: Sooner or later they find out that its not real, and usually are not traumatized by this realization.


People keep saying this. They'll figure it out sooner or later.

Will you tell them, sooner or later, that you had encouraged them to believe in made up shiat?

That seems the responsible thing to do.
 
2012-12-04 09:41:44 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.

wouldn't that be worst for them psychologically at that age? ........ that your love for them is based on material gifts?


Gifts have been an expression of affection since, well, the first gift ever. That's what gifts are, tokens of affection. I suppose I could try it the old-fashioned way, where my beating the shiat out of them is because I love them, but I like my way better.
 
2012-12-04 09:42:36 PM  

RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.


It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.
 
2012-12-04 09:43:22 PM  
I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.
 
2012-12-04 09:43:52 PM  
Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".
 
2012-12-04 09:44:20 PM  

Frederick: Only a certain sect of the community is upset that teachers dont perpetuate a lie.


That sect being the tax payers who provide teachers with theri salary
 
2012-12-04 09:44:36 PM  

stpauler: vernonFL: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?

That someone named their kid Aven? Probably.


If it ends in "n" someone is naming their kid it.
 
2012-12-04 09:44:43 PM  
This is a special moment right now We'd like to take this time to tell all the kids at home Send your parents out of the room This is a kid's song
Life's gonna suck when you grow up When you grow up, when you grow up Life's gonna suck when you grow up It sucks pretty bad right now
Hey, if you know the words, sing along
You're gonna have to mow the lawn Do the dishes, make your bed You're gonna have to go to school Until you're seventeen
It's gonna seem about three times as long as that
You might have to go to war Shoot a gun, kill a nun You might have to go to war When you get outta school
Hey, cheer up kids, it gets a lot worse
You're gonna have to deal with stress Deal with stress, deal with stress You're gonna be a giant mess When you get back from the war
Santa Clause does not exist And there is no Easter Bunny You'll find out when you grow up That Big Bird isn't funny (Funny, funny, ya, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha)
Life's gonna suck when you grow up When you grow up, when you grow up Life's gonna suck when you grow up It sucks pretty bad right now
You're gonna wind up smoking crack On your back, face the fact You're gonna wind up hooked on smack And then you're gonna die
And then you're gonna die, hey, hey
 
2012-12-04 09:44:55 PM  

sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.


Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant
 
2012-12-04 09:45:17 PM  

WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".


The soulless assholes lying to their kids or the soulless assholes who don't? People keeping saying shiat like what you said, but they are never specific.
 
2012-12-04 09:45:49 PM  

BigNumber12: I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.


Fark should be ground zero for this long term clinical study.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:16 PM  
Summon Bevets?
 
2012-12-04 09:47:21 PM  
What the teacher says- "There is no Santa Claus"

What Fark reads- " There is no Jesus" Then they stand behind it obviously, because Athiest...man.

Two different things. I don't expect a teacher to nurture the idea of Santa Claus but I don't expect them to flat out debunk it either. It's not their place to make that call. If they don't like to propiagate it then just ignore it and teach from the textbook like you're supposed to.
 
2012-12-04 09:47:27 PM  

diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant


Wouldn't communism be people telling the teachers what they can and can't tell the kids regarding truth and reality?
 
2012-12-04 09:47:44 PM  

sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

To scoff

 
2012-12-04 09:48:33 PM  

Blue_Blazer: diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant

Wouldn't communism be people telling the teachers what they can and can't tell the kids regarding truth and reality?


you mean our government isn't doing that already?

/all governments do that actually...
 
2012-12-04 09:48:46 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


I came to drop a "in before some attention whoring idiot says something like this" and lo and behold, in the boobies. Good jorb, attention whoring idiot
 
2012-12-04 09:49:27 PM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: Summon Bevets?

To mis-metaphor.


P.S. I fear for you religionists, really. What happens when your organized word/world gets disorganized?
 
2012-12-04 09:50:07 PM  
DNR all of TFT.

I'm a proud skeptic, and I'm all for teaching kids how to distinguish between bullshiat and fantasy, and I like fantasy as well. But I see the Santa thing as a sort of cultural initiation. At a very young age, it brings to kids a sense of wonder and whimsy that I find delightful. It's something most of us went through at some time in our lives, and it's something we pass on, like a camping or scouting "snipe hunt". We know it's not real, but it's fun to watch the young ones believe, if just for a little while. It brings as much pleasure to the adults as it does to the children.

Whether parents or teachers tell them or not, they eventually figure it out, and many go on to tell their kids the same thing. Some parents are completely up front, saying "I got these presents for you because I wanted you to have them", and some go the Santa route. I don't see a problem with either, but I think it was kind of a dick move for the teacher to do that.
 
2012-12-04 09:50:10 PM  

BigNumber12: I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.


For most of history, children were trained at a young age to be little adults. Made sense, they didn't live long. They were also raised in fear. Santa used to beat the crap out of bad children. Also makes sense. Needed to have them fear and respect authority at a young age.

No, I think it is just the opposite. Our culture now puts too much value on childhood. On creating a safe, sanitized, fantasy world for youth. It only makes sense that it now extends to such a late age: Reality is scary.
 
2012-12-04 09:50:46 PM  
Before marriage: Make believe - Santa Claus.

After Divorce: Reality - Mrs. Claws.
 
2012-12-04 09:51:10 PM  

diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant


I live in China, so I'm getting a kick out of your post.
 
2012-12-04 09:52:07 PM  

Indubitably: Life_is_a_carnivore: Summon Bevets?

To mis-metaphor.

P.S. I fear for you religionists, really. What happens when your organized word/world gets disorganized?


P.P.S. Will you panic?

P.P.P.S. Don't panic. Be human and respectful of each other.

P.P.P.P.S. I learn as I go.

P.P.P.P.P.S. We learn as we go. Let's love...
 
2012-12-04 09:52:17 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.

Communism at its best... you are nothing but a worker bee.. you shall have no joy in your life... you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about... the harsh truth is far far better than a small insignificant lie..

/go back to work peasant

I live in China, so I'm getting a kick out of your post.


good for you... you recognize it for what it is then

/or do you?
 
2012-12-04 09:52:20 PM  

Blue_Blazer: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".

The soulless assholes lying to their kids or the soulless assholes who don't? People keeping saying shiat like what you said, but they are never specific.


The soulless douchebags that would rob a 5 year old kid of some of the magic of childhood.
 
2012-12-04 09:53:40 PM  

diaphoresis: you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about


Also, this

upload.wikimedia.org

seems to fit that statement.
 
2012-12-04 09:54:20 PM  

Blue_Blazer: SuperNinjaToad: Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.

wouldn't that be worst for them psychologically at that age? ........ that your love for them is based on material gifts?

Gifts have been an expression of affection since, well, the first gift ever. That's what gifts are, tokens of affection. I suppose I could try it the old-fashioned way, where my beating the shiat out of them is because I love them, but I like my way better.


wow! really? I didn't know parenting to be such simple endevor as a matter of just simply choosing between bearing gifts and/or physical abuse.

No wonder so many kids in America today grow up to become either violent sociopaths or self entitled greedy selfish pricks or maybe a combination of both.

In all seriousness though, if you think just giving them material things is the primary show of your love and affection as parents you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:06 PM  
TJWB

(Typical Jehovah Witness Behavior)
 
2012-12-04 09:55:26 PM  

diaphoresis: good for you... you recognize it for what it is then


Which "it?"

Santa Claus? A symbol of giving.

China? Not Communist. Authoritarian.

You? Confused.
 
2012-12-04 09:55:30 PM  
Why do so many teachers seem to need their ass kicked?

And they want to raise my taxes to hire more....
 
2012-12-04 09:55:38 PM  
Look out for Krampus
 
2012-12-04 09:56:13 PM  

chunderboy: "Also, children, that good monster who stays in your room at night to keep you safe from the bad monsters? Not real. There's no bad monster, either; it's just a silly fear based on your developing mind's simplistic understanding that you are an insignificant speck with no ability to control your surroundings.

"And your cousin who died in Afghanistan? Yeah, I know your parents told you he died bravely, but they were lying. His last moments were consumed with fear, and he was screaming for his mommy while his buddies tried to stuff his guts back in. Then he peed himself and died. He came home in a full-sized coffin, but that wasn't really necessary.

"Okay kids, nap time!"


Ouch.
 
2012-12-04 09:57:38 PM  

WhippingBoy: Blue_Blazer: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".

The soulless assholes lying to their kids or the soulless assholes who don't? People keeping saying shiat like what you said, but they are never specific.

The soulless douchebags that would rob a 5 year old kid of some of the magic of childhood.


yeah, that's pretty douchey. Right now I am looking at our tree and remembering the excitement of Christmas Eve and how it was keeping me up but I knew I had to go to sleep because Santa was coming and fun and frustrating it was at the same time. EABOD, teacher and the rest of your joyless psuedo-rational buzzkills.
 
2012-12-04 09:58:06 PM  

The Muthaship: Why do so many teachers seem to need their ass kicked?

And they want to raise my taxes to hire more....


Overpaid babysitters, amirite?

Ignorant people disparaging teachers and education. Could these be related?
 
2012-12-04 09:58:38 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: good for you... you recognize it for what it is then

Which "it?"

Santa Claus? A symbol of giving.

China? Not Communist. Authoritarian.

You? Confused.


hahahaha
www.bryanprindiville.com
 
2012-12-04 09:58:56 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: you shall only be happy with what we tell you to be happy about

Also, this

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x186]

seems to fit that statement.


"Too old", she seems to say
 
2012-12-04 09:59:07 PM  

sendtodave: RassilonsExWife: The My Little Pony Killer: As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

And I'm okay with you minding you own goddam business.

It was the teachers business. You know, teaching children.


2+2=4 is the teachers business

Crapping on a kids beliefs (no matter how fantastical they are) isn't.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:22 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.

I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.



Never lie to kids about anything. They're not stupid, and it's a sure way to have them lose respect for you - possibly forever.

It's okay to be unintentionally wrong - so long as you own up to it when you discover your error, but there is a difference between being wrong and lying, and they know it.

Make the next generation better than this one. The world could stand improvement.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:29 PM  

WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".



You've just graduated from red to orange.
 
2012-12-04 09:59:49 PM  
i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?
 
2012-12-04 10:00:19 PM  

pxlboy: Ignorant people disparaging teachers and education. Could these be related?


My mom is a retired teacher, and I have a doctorate. I also have three kids in private school.

If you aren't alarmed at the sad state of America's educators, I'm happy for you that you don't have that worry
 
2012-12-04 10:01:12 PM  

enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?


I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:01:24 PM  

Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?


Are you intimating are reference to slavery? If so, you had best be old enough to have been materially wronged in that manner or STFU and stop projecting. History? I know it well. Stop trying to be sly, it does not suit you, your wit is not that sharp so as to be considered clever.

And I have used the phrase "get you azz over here boy" to many youths I have mentored in the I.T. field.
/because nearly every one of them are young enough to be considered "boys" or "girls" to me, and I look after them as I would my own child. I would fight (and have fought) tooth and nail to help them earn their keep and position.

Mocking jest: how does that work?
/sense-of-humor, it goes a long way to being a human with a heart
 
2012-12-04 10:01:55 PM  

BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".


You've just graduated from red to orange.


Don't you mean Orange to Red?
captaintightpants.com
 
2012-12-04 10:02:44 PM  

The Muthaship: pxlboy: Ignorant people disparaging teachers and education. Could these be related?

My mom is a retired teacher, and I have a doctorate. I also have three kids in private school.

If you aren't alarmed at the sad state of America's educators, I'm happy for you that you don't have that worry


To build a new school requires bold talk and serious walk...

I'm walkin'.

*)
 
2012-12-04 10:03:15 PM  

Amos Quito: Krymson Tyde: Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.

I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.


Never lie to kids about anything. They're not stupid, and it's a sure way to have them lose respect for you - possibly forever.

It's okay to be unintentionally wrong - so long as you own up to it when you discover your error, but there is a difference between being wrong and lying, and they know it.

Make the next generation better than this one. The world could stand improvement.



Addendum: The above was addressed to PARENTS.

Teachers? Mind your own business - but DON'T LIE. "I don't know" is an acceptable answer.
 
2012-12-04 10:04:11 PM  

gja: And I have used the phrase "get you azz over here boy" to many youths I have mentored in the I.T. field.


Were they brown?

HR might have a problem with that.
 
2012-12-04 10:04:36 PM  

gja: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?

Are you intimating are reference to slavery? If so, you had best be old enough to have been materially wronged in that manner or STFU and stop projecting. History? I know it well. Stop trying to be sly, it does not suit you, your wit is not that sharp so as to be considered clever.

And I have used the phrase "get you azz over here boy" to many youths I have mentored in the I.T. field.
/because nearly every one of them are young enough to be considered "boys" or "girls" to me, and I look after them as I would my own child. I would fight (and have fought) tooth and nail to help them earn their keep and position.

Mocking jest: how does that work?
/sense-of-humor, it goes a long way to being a human with a heart


P.S. Your credibility was not enhanced by your prologue, for the record.
 
2012-12-04 10:05:55 PM  

pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.


I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?
 
2012-12-04 10:07:05 PM  

Blue_Blazer: I have a 2yo. First time parent. Wife loves Christmas and Santa and stuff, whereas I really think it's a bunch of crap. I was having this conversation with my dad just the other day. He went on and on about how my sister and I loved the whole Santa thing, but how I figured it out. He starts in with the usual "oh what's the harm it's all in good fun." So I waited, and then I finally made my point:

When children figure out their parents have been lying to them their whole life, they ask themselves the next logical question:
If my parents have been lying to me about this, what ELSE have they been lying to me about?

Pretty sure my kid is gonna be that one that ruins Christmas for all the kids in his class, and I am going to get some nasty phone calls from the school and from other parents.


Nah, your kid will be the one who gets stabbed in kindergarten.
 
2012-12-04 10:08:42 PM  

diaphoresis: BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".


You've just graduated from red to orange.

Don't you mean Orange to Red?
[captaintightpants.com image 500x404]


First hearty laugh of this miserable thread. Thanks. Now i'm off to watch Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer with Burl Ives as Frosty. They are real right?
 
2012-12-04 10:08:53 PM  

skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?


Your sentence is impaired.
 
2012-12-04 10:08:54 PM  

Somacandra: Mugato: Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.

Nice strawman there. Nice and fluffy.


careful, Mugato has some serious Denial Fu goin on...
 
2012-12-04 10:08:57 PM  

kg2095: Krymson Tyde: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.

That teacher has robbed those children of their childhoods.


If by "childhood" you mean the age where it's adorable to be gullible, fark you.
 
2012-12-04 10:09:11 PM  
In Massachusetts, if you say "Christmas" in public school, people look at you like you lit an arab and a jew on fire at the same time.
 
2012-12-04 10:10:17 PM  
CONGO DESTROYED BY METEOR STRIKE = 6 comments

SANTA NOT REAL = infinity by morning


/love fark....
 
2012-12-04 10:10:53 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: In Massachusetts, if you say "Christmas" in public school, people look at you like you lit an arab and a jew on fire at the same time.


keyboard...you owe me one
 
2012-12-04 10:11:09 PM  

soupbone: diaphoresis: BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Sometimes, I think I've got it pretty rough.

That's why I like Fark. I browse threads like this, and I think to myself, "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not like some of these soulless assholes".


You've just graduated from red to orange.

Don't you mean Orange to Red?
[captaintightpants.com image 500x404]

First hearty laugh of this miserable thread. Thanks. Now i'm off to watch Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer with Burl Ives as Frosty. They are real right?


yes.. absolutely.

/have a vodka for me
 
2012-12-04 10:11:32 PM  

skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?


Oh great. Well I knew this day was coming...

Son, there is something your mother and I need to tell you...

/ the Drew is a lie
// at least we can stop taking all those damn cat pics
/// gonna miss doing the porn though
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:11:35 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?

NVM, you are oblivious, no?

Please don't answer.

Thank you.


Don't ask questions if you do not want to be answered. I am not oblivious, but you are either willfully obtuse or merely addle-minded to think I would allow a race-card to be played without a retort. Don't EVER dare to call, or through a thinly veiled reference, call me or color me a racist.
You have no place or right to do so and you are sorely mistaken.


My original point was you should not be so injured by such an innocuous bit of slang. But I gather it must be because the chip on your shoulder is large enough to be an actual handicap. You have issues. You should avoid the "Internets" because you will likely see and hear things that will hurt your delicate sensibilities.
 
2012-12-04 10:12:31 PM  
I'm ok with this.
Children shouldn't be lied to.
 
2012-12-04 10:13:25 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: In Massachusetts, if you say "Christmas" in public school, people look at you like you lit an arab and a jew on fire at the same time.


with pride and admiration? We're talking about Southie, right?
 
2012-12-04 10:14:04 PM  
I`m not going to let my kids grow up to be idiots and I`m not going to let my kids grow up thinking that their parents aren`t going to be honest with them.

And I am still waiting for farkers to give some evidence of the oh so great contribution of believing in Santa has on creativity.
 
2012-12-04 10:14:35 PM  

Ace Rimmer: skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?

Oh great. Well I knew this day was coming...

Son, there is something your mother and I need to tell you...

/ the Drew is a lie
// at least we can stop taking all those damn cat pics
/// gonna miss doing the porn though


whew, that's actually a relief
 
2012-12-04 10:14:42 PM  

PepperFreak: I'm ok with this.
Children shouldn't be lied to.


How many do you have?
 
2012-12-04 10:15:20 PM  

wambu: You can be a douchebag all you want to adults, but leave the kids the fark alone.


i.imgur.com 

🐍🐊🐉🐲🌋
 
2012-12-04 10:15:26 PM  
Don't "rob them of their childhood."

Shelter them from the world.

Encourage myth over science.

Encourage belief in unseen actors pulling strings and judging everyone.

Vote Republican.
 
2012-12-04 10:15:37 PM  

PepperFreak: I'm ok with this.
Children shouldn't be lied to.


you cruel miserable bastage... just because your life is a miserable pos, doesn't mean you have to be cruel to children...
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:15:52 PM  

sendtodave: gja: And I have used the phrase "get you azz over here boy" to many youths I have mentored in the I.T. field.

Were they brown?

HR might have a problem with that.


Most decidedly not. But there was the occasional redneck among them. Although that moniker was leveled at me at times, which is in of itself amusing as I am of italian derivation.
 
2012-12-04 10:16:11 PM  
Where's the OBVIOUS tag?
 
2012-12-04 10:16:16 PM  

Indubitably: skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?

Your sentence is impaired.


yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis
 
2012-12-04 10:16:28 PM  

gja: Indubitably: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?

NVM, you are oblivious, no?

Please don't answer.

Thank you.

Don't ask questions if you do not want to be answered. I am not oblivious, but you are either willfully obtuse or merely addle-minded to think I would allow a race-card to be played without a retort. Don't EVER dare to call, or through a thinly veiled reference, call me or color me a racist.
You have no place or right to do so and you are sorely mistaken.


My original point was you should not be so injured by such an innocuous bit of slang. But I gather it must be because the chip on your shoulder is large enough to be an actual handicap. You have issues. You should avoid the "Internets" because you will likely see and hear things that will hurt your delicate sensibilities.


I just want you to know that two spaces between your comments really spoke to me. Thank you.
 
2012-12-04 10:17:53 PM  

sendtodave: Don't "rob them of their childhood."

Shelter them from the world.

Encourage myth over science.

Encourage belief in unseen actors pulling strings and judging everyone.

Vote Republican.


Take a break and go biatchslap one of Ben's hos to cool off, STD. You're slipping in this thread and you're wearing the veneer of believability a bit thin
 
2012-12-04 10:18:45 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Blue_Blazer: SuperNinjaToad: Blue_Blazer: Oh and the other point I made to the wife and to my dad: why the fark should I allow my kid to think some made-up being gave him all these sweet gifts. I'd much rather he know that he got these presents from Mom and Dad who love him, and that's just what people do this time of year.

wouldn't that be worst for them psychologically at that age? ........ that your love for them is based on material gifts?

Gifts have been an expression of affection since, well, the first gift ever. That's what gifts are, tokens of affection. I suppose I could try it the old-fashioned way, where my beating the shiat out of them is because I love them, but I like my way better.

wow! really? I didn't know parenting to be such simple endevor as a matter of just simply choosing between bearing gifts and/or physical abuse.

No wonder so many kids in America today grow up to become either violent sociopaths or self entitled greedy selfish pricks or maybe a combination of both.

In all seriousness though, if you think just giving them material things is the primary show of your love and affection as parents you're doing it wrong.


Notice the bold part. You are trying to put words in my mouth. Apparently you think that giving gifts at Christmastime is psychologically damaging. You must be a blast at parties.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:18:56 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: gja: Indubitably: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?

NVM, you are oblivious, no?

Please don't answer.

Thank you.

Don't ask questions if you do not want to be answered. I am not oblivious, but you are either willfully obtuse or merely addle-minded to think I would allow a race-card to be played without a retort. Don't EVER dare to call, or through a thinly veiled reference, call me or color me a racist.
You have no place or right to do so and you are sorely mistaken.


My original point was you should not be so injured by such an innocuous bit of slang. But I gather it must be because the chip on your shoulder is large enough to be an actual handicap. You have issues. You should avoid the "Internets" because you will likely see and hear things that will hurt your delicate sensibilities.

[ttuinder.files.wordpress.com image 400x186]
/Welcome to Fark?


Yes yes yes, I know it was likely trolling. But racial trolling is disgusting and I will not allow someone to paint me in such a light.
And I'm bored too, this compiler is making me nuts so I needed a diversion lest I go mad and start yelling at this accursed C## horror.
 
2012-12-04 10:18:59 PM  

skullkrusher: Indubitably: skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?

Your sentence is impaired.

yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis

Photosynthesis?


Seriously?

Try alpha/beta/gamma.
 
2012-12-04 10:19:03 PM  

The Muthaship: PepperFreak: I'm ok with this.
Children shouldn't be lied to.

How many do you have?


Enlighten me. How does having children change one's views on the value, the necessity, of truth?
 
2012-12-04 10:19:28 PM  

Fallout Boy: I`m not going to let my kids grow up to be idiots and I`m not going to let my kids grow up thinking that their parents aren`t going to be honest with them.

And I am still waiting for farkers to give some evidence of the oh so great contribution of believing in Santa has on creativity.


My 16 month old is just starting to understand about Santa and he's already smarter than you are.
QED.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:29 PM  

PepperFreak: I'm ok with this.
Children shouldn't be lied to.


Oh come on. Don't you remember? When you were eight, and your father sat you down and said to you "Son, I've never loved you. You're a huge disappointment to me and always will be". Don't you wish he would have lied just a little?
 
2012-12-04 10:20:42 PM  
Santa Claus was a real guy, and now he's long dead. It would be helpful for students to know something about the real man and why we like to pretend he's still alive.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:50 PM  

skullkrusher: sendtodave: Don't "rob them of their childhood."

Shelter them from the world.

Encourage myth over science.

Encourage belief in unseen actors pulling strings and judging everyone.

Vote Republican.

Take a break and go biatchslap one of Ben's hos to cool off, STD. You're slipping in this thread and you're wearing the veneer of believability a bit thin


>_>

Fair enough.

Off to scalp some Redcoats.
 
2012-12-04 10:21:01 PM  

Indubitably: skullkrusher: Indubitably: skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?

Your sentence is impaired.

yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis

Photosynthesis?

Seriously?

Try alpha/beta/gamma.


umm, yeah, the process by which opposite particles are attracted. The particles of your stupid are being attracted to the particles of smart in my head. The photosynthetic force. Read a book.
 
2012-12-04 10:21:02 PM  

gja: Don't ask questions if you do not want to be answered. I am not oblivious, but you are either willfully obtuse or merely addle-minded to think I would allow a race-card to be played without a retort. Don't EVER dare to call, or through a thinly veiled reference, call me or color me a racist.
You have no place or right to do so and you are sorely mistaken.


My original point was you should not be so injured by such an innocuous bit of slang. But I gather it must be because the chip on your shoulder is large enough to be an actual handicap. You have issues. You should avoid the "Internets" because you will likely see and hear things that will hurt your delicate sensibilities.



Ah, America. We thought we'd entered a "post-racial era," but what we ended up with is an era where everything is racially-motivated if someone out there wants it to be, and knee-jerk accusations of racism are simply the standard opening shots of any political debate. What Progress!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:22:56 PM  

Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?

NVM, you are oblivious, no?

Please don't answer.

Thank you.

Don't ask questions if you do not want to be answered. I am not oblivious, but you are either willfully obtuse or merely addle-minded to think I would allow a race-card to be played without a retort. Don't EVER dare to call, or through a thinly veiled reference, call me or color me a racist.
You have no place or right to do so and you are sorely mistaken.


My original point was you should not be so injured by such an innocuous bit of slang. But I gather it must be because the chip on your shoulder is large enough to be an actual handicap. You have issues. You should avoid the "Internets" because you will likely see and hear things that will hurt your delicate sensibilities.

I just want you to know that two spaces between your comments really spoke to me. Thank you.


Old eyes buck-o. When you hit my age sometimes the text swims around on the page after the 9th or 10th hour of programming.
Have a nice night kid.
 
2012-12-04 10:23:00 PM  

sendtodave: The Muthaship: PepperFreak: I'm ok with this.
Children shouldn't be lied to.

How many do you have?

Enlighten me. How does having children change one's views on the value, the necessity, of truth?


Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-04 10:24:00 PM  

BigNumber12: Ah, America. We thought we'd entered a "post-racial era," but what we ended up with is an era where everything is racially-motivated if someone out there wants it to be, and knee-jerk accusations of racism are simply the standard opening shots of any political debate. What Progress!


It's progress. Racist = bad now.
 
2012-12-04 10:25:03 PM  

sendtodave: How does having children change one's views on the value, the necessity, of truth?


Stay on topic, Mao. We're talking about preserving a tradition held dear by many. The cost of doing so is keeping your f*cking mouth shut on one tiny matter. I'm shocked that a busy body teacher couldn't pull it off. I have 2 kids who know there's no Santa, and one that doesn't. None were harmed, in fact we've had a great time like millions of others have.
 
2012-12-04 10:25:39 PM  

diaphoresis: Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?


ts3.mm.bing.net

So, to be clear, we should encourage children to lie?
 
2012-12-04 10:26:05 PM  

sendtodave: BigNumber12: Ah, America. We thought we'd entered a "post-racial era," but what we ended up with is an era where everything is racially-motivated if someone out there wants it to be, and knee-jerk accusations of racism are simply the standard opening shots of any political debate. What Progress!

It's progress. Racist = bad now.


yeah, if you're a gay or something
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:26:16 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: gja: HindiDiscoMonster: gja
[ttuinder.files.wordpress.com image 400x186]
/Welcome to Fark?

Yes yes yes, I know it was likely trolling. But racial trolling is disgusting and I will not allow someone to paint me in such a light.
And I'm bored too, this compiler is making me nuts so I needed a diversion lest I go mad and start yelling at this accursed C## horror.

whats wrong with ur compiler?


It refuses to overlook my errors DAMMIT.
LOL, I hate programming, REALLY I do. It is my damnation I am good at it. I wish it didn't pay so well. That would make it easier to quit doing it.
Bills keep coming though. So, I hack away. I write, therefor I am.
 
2012-12-04 10:27:01 PM  

gja: Old eyes buck-o. When you hit my age sometimes the text swims around on the page after the 9th or 10th hour of programming.
Have a nice night kid boy.


don't puss out now, pops
 
2012-12-04 10:27:35 PM  

skullkrusher: Indubitably: skullkrusher: Indubitably: skullkrusher: pxlboy: enderthexenocide: i never understood santa claus. i mean, my parents told me about him, but they also told me about jack and beanstalk and the three little pigs and the billy goats gruff and all those other cute stories. i don't think it ever occurred to me that santa was supposed to be real, when those other stories were just stories. my family was like "oh santa is real!" and i was like "um, sure he is." there are so many inconsistencies with santa, even a little kid should be able to put two and two together. even a very stupid child should know that santa is not "real."

they show pictures of santa on television, but its never the same guy. you can meet santa at the local mall or department store, but its a different guy at each place. my parents got me presents with "from santa" on the label, but then i could overhear my parents talking about the christmas shopping. why would my parents need to do christmas shopping if santa exists? every movie and show with santa claus has wildly different details and explanations about him, like how he gets into people's houses if they don't have a chimney. there are serious plot holes in this narrative!

the final straw for me was the flying reindeer. even at the age of two, i knew that reindeer didn't fly. birds could fly and airplanes could fly, but that was it. reindeer absolutely could not fly, they didn't even have wings! how can anyone be so deliberately ignorant that they could ever think reindeer can fly?

I felt the same way in my Sunday school classes. They sounded like stuff in a storybook.

I feel that way reading Fark. These can't be real people, can it?

Your sentence is impaired.

yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis

Photosynthesis?

Seriously?

Try alpha/beta/gamma.

umm, yeah, the process by which opposite particles are attracted. The particles of your stupid are be ...


gja: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: Indubitably: gja: Indubitably: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Gunny Highway: The pictures are lies and your niece is a brain washed consumer, you evil fark!

Boy, you don't know the half of it! :)

Please don't use that word to start a sentence ever. Thank you.

Hey boy......

/is it any better when one ends a sentence with it?
//lighten up Francis

History: what is it?

NVM, you are oblivious, no?

Please don't answer.

Thank you.

Don't ask questions if you do not want to be answered. I am not oblivious, but you are either willfully obtuse or merely addle-minded to think I would allow a race-card to be played without a retort. Don't EVER dare to call, or through a thinly veiled reference, call me or color me a racist.
You have no place or right to do so and you are sorely mistaken.


My original point was you should not be so injured by such an innocuous bit of slang. But I gather it must be because the chip on your shoulder is large enough to be an actual handicap. You have issues. You should avoid the "Internets" because you will likely see and hear things that will hurt your delicate sensibilities.

I just want you to know that two spaces between your comments really spoke to me. Thank you.

Old eyes buck-o. When you hit my age sometimes the text swims around on the page after the 9th or 10th hour of programming.
Have a nice night kid.


Indeed, to take one's own advice can be a tonic bitterly taken, but necessary.
 
2012-12-04 10:28:50 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 248x154]

So, to be clear, we should encourage children to lie?


So, to be clear, you don't lie ever?
 
2012-12-04 10:29:08 PM  

The Muthaship: sendtodave: How does having children change one's views on the value, the necessity, of truth?

Stay on topic, Mao. We're talking about preserving a tradition held dear by many. The cost of doing so is keeping your f*cking mouth shut on one tiny matter. I'm shocked that a busy body teacher couldn't pull it off. I have 2 kids who know there's no Santa, and one that doesn't. None were harmed, in fact we've had a great time like millions of others have.


Tradition, mythology, potato, potahto.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:35 PM  

diaphoresis: So, to be clear, you don't lie ever?


We done been trolled.....I hope.
 
2012-12-04 10:29:47 PM  

Indubitably: skullkrusher:

yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis

Photosynthesis?

Seriously?

Try alpha/beta/gamma.


I KNEW he was a plant! Now I have proof!
 
2012-12-04 10:29:58 PM  

diaphoresis: sendtodave: diaphoresis: Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 248x154]

So, to be clear, we should encourage children to lie?

So, to be clear, you don't lie ever?


I'd be lying if I said that I don't.

So, no, I never lie.

/0
 
2012-12-04 10:32:10 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Indubitably: Indeed, to take one's own advice can be a tonic bitterly taken, but necessary.

This reminds me of Socrates when he said "I drank what?"


Indubitably.
 
2012-12-04 10:32:25 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: sendtodave: diaphoresis: Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 248x154]

So, to be clear, we should encourage children to lie?

So, to be clear, you don't lie ever?

I'd be lying if I said that I don't.

So, no, I never lie.

/0


ta-da... Congratulations.. you are human.
 
2012-12-04 10:32:39 PM  
Maybe if you didn't tell lies to your children you wouldn't have to use outrage and intimation on those that speak the truth.

Santa Claus is a gateway drug to Jesus. They need him and they know it, hence all the outrage at truth that threatens their next generation of junkie. It's a sick cycle of lies and abuse but what else is new?
 
2012-12-04 10:33:00 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Indubitably: skullkrusher:

yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis

Photosynthesis?

Seriously?

Try alpha/beta/gamma.

I KNEW he was a plant! Now I have proof!


a liberal plant

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-04 10:33:37 PM  

UseLessHuman: Maybe if you didn't tell lies to your children you wouldn't have to use outrage and intimation on those that speak the truth.

Santa Claus is a gateway drug to Jesus. They need him and they know it, hence all the outrage at truth that threatens their next generation of junkie. It's a sick cycle of lies and abuse but what else is new?


certainly not this schtick, I'll tell you that much
 
2012-12-04 10:33:55 PM  
Substitute teacher here. I'm like that telling kids there is no Santa when I tell Filipinos that they're not Asian they're Pacific Islanders. LOL. Am I wrong? I see 7000 Islands in the Pacific and none in the Asia. The reaction is like a kid ready to argue there is a Santa. I have to let them get the final word, but I cant not correct geographic ignorance, racial solidarity to the "Asian" thing notwithstanding.
 
2012-12-04 10:34:46 PM  
Apparently being a miserable bastard inspires missionary-like behavior.

Either provide an impressive array of citations showing that childhood belief in Santa produces violent, dangerous adults who are actively damaging the safety and integrity of our society, or leave other people's children the fark alone.
 
2012-12-04 10:34:55 PM  

diaphoresis: sendtodave: diaphoresis: sendtodave: diaphoresis: Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 248x154]

So, to be clear, we should encourage children to lie?

So, to be clear, you don't lie ever?

I'd be lying if I said that I don't.

So, no, I never lie.

/0

ta-da... Congratulations.. you are human.


Negative. I am a meat Popsicle.

I also try not to lie to children.
 
2012-12-04 10:35:01 PM  
Indubitably

(favorite: to infinitive and beyond)

Reminds me also of Lenny Bruce's "To is a preposition, come is a verb" bit.
 
2012-12-04 10:35:05 PM  

skullkrusher: Blue_Blazer: Indubitably: skullkrusher:

yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis

Photosynthesis?

Seriously?

Try alpha/beta/gamma.

I KNEW he was a plant! Now I have proof!

a liberal plant

[upload.wikimedia.org image 490x599]


That's a beautiful flower.. what is it?
 
2012-12-04 10:36:25 PM  

diaphoresis: skullkrusher: Blue_Blazer: Indubitably: skullkrusher:

yeah, there's only so much stupid one person can read before it starts seeping in through photosynthesis

Photosynthesis?

Seriously?

Try alpha/beta/gamma.

I KNEW he was a plant! Now I have proof!

a liberal plant

[upload.wikimedia.org image 490x599]

That's a beautiful flower.. what is it?


The pansy

/ba-dum-dump!
//bows deeply
///try your waitress
 
2012-12-04 10:39:12 PM  

sendtodave: diaphoresis: sendtodave: diaphoresis: sendtodave: diaphoresis: Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 248x154]

So, to be clear, we should encourage children to lie?

So, to be clear, you don't lie ever?

I'd be lying if I said that I don't.

So, no, I never lie.

/0

ta-da... Congratulations.. you are human.

Negative. I am a meat Popsicle.

Nice 5th element reference

I also try not to lie to children.
Admirable...
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:39:17 PM  

Indubitably: Old eyes buck-o. When you hit my age sometimes the text swims around on the page after the 9th or 10th hour of programming.
Have a nice night kid.

Indeed, to take one's own advice can be a tonic bitterly taken, but necessary.


I laugh most heartily at my own foibles and missteps. And encourage all to do the same with themselves.
We are losing our ability to enjoy each other in this world.
Sad, truly sad. Hypersensitivity and the inability to maintain a sense of humor strips us of a bit of our human "being".
Much like the untimely exposure of the banal fairy tale of Santa Claus to a very young child in a crass and unfeeling manner.
It serves no good in the long run. It only hurts and causes no gain in the scheme of things.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:35 PM  

Mija: The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...

The lie is that God does not exist and that atheists are not religious. You have faith that God is not real. You certainly cannot prove it. You are a sad, angry person who wants to push your beliefs on others while you pretend to be the opposite. You are pathetic.


No. As an atheist I don't rely on faith in the non-reality of supernatural beings. I am quite open to the possibility that magical creatures exist in the universe, it's just that all my experience and study suggest a simple causality following physical laws.

If you believe in the Bible as the infallible word of God, then I can, in fact, prove that He doesn't exist. "In the beginning, God created Heaven and Earth..." etc. It's clear that according to Genesis the Earth was created before the Sun and before the stars -- a testable hypothesis.
 
2012-12-04 10:42:37 PM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-12-04 10:45:35 PM  
A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:46:20 PM  

skullkrusher: gja: Old eyes buck-o. When you hit my age sometimes the text swims around on the page after the 9th or 10th hour of programming.
Have a nice night kid boy.

don't puss out now, pops


Pops? That's downright NICE compared to what some of the kids in the shop call me.
Old fart. Gramps. Walker-jockey. Methuselah's uncle. Original patent holder for water. "So old your first computer was a sharp piece of shinbone and some sand"

You should hear the shiat I put up with!
And I love them all. And I fight tooth and nail for them come bonus time/raise time and will continue to do so as long as my standing allows me that latitude.
Some people worry about "who will follow after us to run this world"? I'm not worried, these kids are SHARP brother.
 
2012-12-04 10:46:34 PM  

ibsalamander: If you believe in the Bible as the infallible word of God, then I can, in fact, prove that He doesn't exist. "In the beginning, God created Heaven and Earth..." etc. It's clear that according to Genesis the Earth was created before the Sun and before the stars -- a testable hypothesis.


actually all you can prove that the Bible is not the infallible word of God in that case.
 
2012-12-04 10:47:40 PM  

gja: skullkrusher: gja: Old eyes buck-o. When you hit my age sometimes the text swims around on the page after the 9th or 10th hour of programming.
Have a nice night kid boy.

don't puss out now, pops

Pops? That's downright NICE compared to what some of the kids in the shop call me.
Old fart. Gramps. Walker-jockey. Methuselah's uncle. Original patent holder for water. "So old your first computer was a sharp piece of shinbone and some sand"

You should hear the shiat I put up with!
And I love them all. And I fight tooth and nail for them come bonus time/raise time and will continue to do so as long as my standing allows me that latitude.
Some people worry about "who will follow after us to run this world"? I'm not worried, these kids are SHARP brother.


good, fark those young bastards. Getting a bit long in the tooth myself in the biz (I graduated college in the 90s).
Solidarity... uncle is probably more in line with the truth :)
 
2012-12-04 10:48:27 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.


well except when you learn about mythology and literature and gypsies
 
2012-12-04 10:49:14 PM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

well except when you learn about mythology and literature and gypsies


Those are real... quit trolling
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 10:49:36 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.


You are right, but the teaching needs to be constrained to scholarly matters, not beliefs and faiths.
A line was crossed, as well meaning as it may have been it was improper to take such liberty in a matter inherently the prerogative of parental guidance.
 
2012-12-04 10:49:52 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.


Santa is part of the real world, both in the mythology sense and the used to be alive sense.
 
2012-12-04 10:50:55 PM  

katerbug72: I'm torn on the whole Santa thing. My son just turned two so he doesn't really get it yet but next year he will. I'm an absolutely terrible liar but I remember the awesome feeling when I was little and believed. What to do, what to do.


Either way, one thing you shouldn't do is plop your kids into some stranger's lap and expect them to be happy at the whole thing. I totally don't understand this part of the tradition. Especially coming from a physically reserved family, it was always weird.
 
2012-12-04 10:53:24 PM  

soupbone: BigNumber12: I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.

Fark should be ground zero for this long term clinical study.


Oh, Lordy, can you imagine armies of shrinks analyzing every Fark post since 1999?
 
2012-12-04 10:54:35 PM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

well except when you learn about mythology and literature and gypsies


Gypsies are real people. Literature is real books. The practice of mythology is real.

That doesn't mean you're being told to become a gypsy, live in literature, or worship those mythologies.

gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

You are right, but the teaching needs to be constrained to scholarly matters, not beliefs and faiths.
A line was crossed, as well meaning as it may have been it was improper to take such liberty in a matter inherently the prerogative of parental guidance.


Kids have to learn to separate reality from fantasy at some point. The assignment was to draw a real thing and a fictional thing, and Santa in the real side is incorrect
 
2012-12-04 10:54:45 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: soupbone: BigNumber12: I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.

Fark should be ground zero for this long term clinical study.

Oh, Lordy, can you imagine armies of shrinks analyzing every Fark post since 1999?


most would quit and become drug dealers... makes more sense...
 
2012-12-04 10:57:35 PM  

Lernaeus: Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.

Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.


You mean like the skill to determine through logic and critical thinking that there is no Santa, instead of having the fact spoon fed to them?
 
2012-12-04 10:58:25 PM  

soupbone: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

Santa is part of the real world, both in the mythology sense and the used to be alive sense.


Mythology, by definition, is not real. The idea is real, but not the character. Zeus and Thor are mythology as well, they exist as ideas but not as reality. Santa was inspired by Saint Nicholas, who, yes, was a real person, but he was nothing like Santa Claus except for the kind to children aspect. Santa is also based on the Lord of Misrule, a pagan creation meant to disrupt and bring the fun back to the early Christian seriousness of Christmas/the winter solstice that it had assimilated. Saint Nicholas and the Lord of Misrule combined into the modern idea of Santa Claus.
 
2012-12-04 10:59:57 PM  

Indubitably: Indeed, to take one's own advice can be a tonic bitterly taken, but necessary.


I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:09 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Gypsies are real people. Literature is real books. The practice of mythology is real.

That doesn't mean you're being told to become a gypsy, live in literature, or worship those mythologies.


it is no wonder you hold the views you do
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 11:01:39 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

well except when you learn about mythology and literature and gypsies

Gypsies are real people. Literature is real books. The practice of mythology is real.

That doesn't mean you're being told to become a gypsy, live in literature, or worship those mythologies.

gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

You are right, but the teaching needs to be constrained to scholarly matters, not beliefs and faiths.
A line was crossed, as well meaning as it may have been it was improper to take such liberty in a matter inherently the prerogative of parental guidance.

Kids have to learn to separate reality from fantasy at some point. The assignment was to draw a real thing and a fictional thing, and Santa in the real side is incorrect


That's when the teacher places the paper in an envelope and sends it home with a note to the parents and doesn't pretend it is THEIR domain to provide that delineation.
Discretion. People need to learn some it would seem.
 
2012-12-04 11:02:15 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: soupbone: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

Santa is part of the real world, both in the mythology sense and the used to be alive sense.

Mythology, by definition, is not real. The idea is real, but not the character. Zeus and Thor are mythology as well, they exist as ideas but not as reality. Santa was inspired by Saint Nicholas, who, yes, was a real person, but he was nothing like Santa Claus except for the kind to children aspect. Santa is also based on the Lord of Misrule, a pagan creation meant to disrupt and bring the fun back to the early Christian seriousness of Christmas/the winter solstice that it had assimilated. Saint Nicholas and the Lord of Misrule combined into the modern idea of Santa Claus.



You explanation wasn't really necessary. You said Santa wasn't part of the real world when clearly he is. I perfectly understood the mythology of Santa and Saint Nick history.
 
2012-12-04 11:03:57 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Kids have to learn to separate reality from fantasy at some point. The assignment was to draw a real thing and a fictional thing, and Santa in the real side is incorrect


Oh, come on Suzie, you haven't even finished kindergarten and you are currently sitting in my classroom. There is no way you are an astronaut on the moon. Get back to reality.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-04 11:07:37 PM  

dustygrimp: Lernaeus: Coco LaFemme: However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids.

Which is totally why you should treat them like idiots, instead of teaching them the basic skills they need to become independent human beings.

There's nothing wrong with stories and make-believe, but acting like it's real is stupid and insulting to children.

You mean like the skill to determine through logic and critical thinking that there is no Santa, instead of having the fact spoon fed to them?


THANK YOU. You put the point I had tried to make earlier across a bit better than I did.
Let their minds develop and they will come up with the truth. In due time. And likely be better off for it.
 
2012-12-04 11:12:48 PM  
I support the separation of belief in fictional characters and state.
 
2012-12-04 11:14:27 PM  
The final word on the subject:


"DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old.
"Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus.
"Papa says, 'If you see it in THE SUN it's so.'
"Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus?

"VIRGINIA O'HANLON.
"115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET."

VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
 
2012-12-04 11:18:57 PM  

gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

well except when you learn about mythology and literature and gypsies

Gypsies are real people. Literature is real books. The practice of mythology is real.

That doesn't mean you're being told to become a gypsy, live in literature, or worship those mythologies.

gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

You are right, but the teaching needs to be constrained to scholarly matters, not beliefs and faiths.
A line was crossed, as well meaning as it may have been it was improper to take such liberty in a matter inherently the prerogative of parental guidance.

Kids have to learn to separate reality from fantasy at some point. The assignment was to draw a real thing and a fictional thing, and Santa in the real side is incorrect

That's when the teacher places the paper in an envelope and sends it home with a note to the parents and doesn't pretend it is THEIR domain to provide that delineation.
Discretion. People need to learn some it would seem.


Hey, the teacher was doing her job. Why do we get angry at people doing their jobs?

"TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"DON'T TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"WHY IS MY CHILD STUPID?!"
"TEACHERS ARE WORTHLESS!"
 
2012-12-04 11:25:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: soupbone: BigNumber12: I suspect that we're going to see more and more studies investigating correlation between the rates of children who were robbed of their childhoods, and people in their 20s and 30s who seem to regress to adolescence and postpone adulthood as long as possible.

Fark should be ground zero for this long term clinical study.

Oh, Lordy, can you imagine armies of shrinks analyzing every Fark post since 1999?



It would be great for liquor stores.
 
2012-12-04 11:27:45 PM  

BigNumber12: Apparently being a miserable bastard inspires missionary-like behavior.

Either provide an impressive array of citations showing that childhood belief in Santa produces violent, dangerous adults who are actively damaging the safety and integrity of our society, or leave other people's children the fark alone.


Precisely. And lets be clear about something else. You aren't doing kids any favors by telling them there is no Santa. You aren't saving them from some life crushing trauma when they figure it out on their own. You're just being mean. If you need to display your intellectual superiority to a child of 5, then you are a miserable, pathetic douche.
 
2012-12-04 11:28:31 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

well except when you learn about mythology and literature and gypsies

Gypsies are real people. Literature is real books. The practice of mythology is real.

That doesn't mean you're being told to become a gypsy, live in literature, or worship those mythologies.

gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

You are right, but the teaching needs to be constrained to scholarly matters, not beliefs and faiths.
A line was crossed, as well meaning as it may have been it was improper to take such liberty in a matter inherently the prerogative of parental guidance.

Kids have to learn to separate reality from fantasy at some point. The assignment was to draw a real thing and a fictional thing, and Santa in the real side is incorrect

That's when the teacher places the paper in an envelope and sends it home with a note to the parents and doesn't pretend it is THEIR domain to provide that delineation.
Discretion. People need to learn some it would seem.

Hey, the teacher was doing her job. Why do we get angry at people doing their jobs?

"TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"DON'T TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"WHY IS MY CHILD STUPID?!"
"TEACHERS ARE WORTHLESS!"


If a teacher doesn't an ethical compass that tells her, "Maybe this isn't my place to say" or have the common sense to think, "They are five year olds. Them believing in Santa Claus isn't hurting anyone," then she shouldn't be a teacher in the first place.
 
2012-12-04 11:29:38 PM  

dustygrimp: BigNumber12: Apparently being a miserable bastard inspires missionary-like behavior.

Either provide an impressive array of citations showing that childhood belief in Santa produces violent, dangerous adults who are actively damaging the safety and integrity of our society, or leave other people's children the fark alone.

Precisely. And lets be clear about something else. You aren't doing kids any favors by telling them there is no Santa. You aren't saving them from some life crushing trauma when they figure it out on their own. You're just being mean. If you need to display your intellectual superiority to a child of 5, then you are a miserable, pathetic douche.


www.brainygamer.com
 
2012-12-04 11:35:31 PM  

hasty ambush: Frederick: Only a certain sect of the community is upset that teachers dont perpetuate a lie.

That sect being the tax payers who provide teachers with theri salary


Seems a lot of people in here do not approve of teachers perpetuating a lie and also pay taxes. So, no -guess again.

\hint: that sect is uneducated idiots.

sendtodave: diaphoresis: Incapable of lying are you? No good reason to lie ever, eh? No such thing as a harmless lie? Never lied before and never will?

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 248x154]

So, to be clear, we should encourage children to lie?


More to the point of many on here....it is believed that we should encourage children to believe in lies -for some unknown reason.
 
2012-12-04 11:36:31 PM  

mekki: Keizer_Ghidorah: gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

well except when you learn about mythology and literature and gypsies

Gypsies are real people. Literature is real books. The practice of mythology is real.

That doesn't mean you're being told to become a gypsy, live in literature, or worship those mythologies.

gja: Keizer_Ghidorah: A school is where you learn things about the real world. Santa is not part of the real world.

You are right, but the teaching needs to be constrained to scholarly matters, not beliefs and faiths.
A line was crossed, as well meaning as it may have been it was improper to take such liberty in a matter inherently the prerogative of parental guidance.

Kids have to learn to separate reality from fantasy at some point. The assignment was to draw a real thing and a fictional thing, and Santa in the real side is incorrect

That's when the teacher places the paper in an envelope and sends it home with a note to the parents and doesn't pretend it is THEIR domain to provide that delineation.
Discretion. People need to learn some it would seem.

Hey, the teacher was doing her job. Why do we get angry at people doing their jobs?

"TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"DON'T TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"WHY IS MY CHILD STUPID?!"
"TEACHERS ARE WORTHLESS!"

If a teacher doesn't an ethical compass that tells her, "Maybe this isn't my place to say" or have the common sense to think, "They are five year olds. Them believing in Santa Claus isn't hurting anyone," then she shouldn't be a teacher in the first place.


Then she'll have to mark their assignments down for not following the rules, and the parents will be angry about that. It's a no-win situation.
 
2012-12-04 11:40:55 PM  
Busybody parents shouldn't coddle and shelter their precious snowflakes.

Except when it comes to Santa Claus.

Fark with Santa Claus at your peril.
 
2012-12-04 11:42:03 PM  
Perhaps the best answer you can give a child in situations like this is "What do you think?"
 
2012-12-04 11:43:53 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, the teacher was doing her job. Why do we get angry at people doing their jobs?

"TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"DON'T TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"WHY IS MY CHILD STUPID?!"
"TEACHERS ARE WORTHLESS!"


Don't do this. But I am just doing my job. OK, great. That's not part of your job though so don't do it anyway. I AM JUST DOING MY JOB. OK, now you're not anymore. Bye.
 
2012-12-04 11:46:36 PM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, the teacher was doing her job. Why do we get angry at people doing their jobs?

"TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"DON'T TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"WHY IS MY CHILD STUPID?!"
"TEACHERS ARE WORTHLESS!"

Don't do this. But I am just doing my job. OK, great. That's not part of your job though so don't do it anyway. I AM JUST DOING MY JOB. OK, now you're not anymore. Bye.


So the teacher marks the assignment down because the student didn't follow the rules. Now the parents are angry about that. Should the teacher be punished and insulted for that?
 
2012-12-04 11:51:12 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, the teacher was doing her job. Why do we get angry at people doing their jobs?

"TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"DON'T TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"WHY IS MY CHILD STUPID?!"
"TEACHERS ARE WORTHLESS!"

Don't do this. But I am just doing my job. OK, great. That's not part of your job though so don't do it anyway. I AM JUST DOING MY JOB. OK, now you're not anymore. Bye.

So the teacher marks the assignment down because the student didn't follow the rules. Now the parents are angry about that. Should the teacher be punished and insulted for that?


Do you honestly think this way? A teacher is going to grade some kindergarten kids poorly for putting Santa in the real column rather than getting a laugh about it and sending it to the parents so they can get a laugh at the cuteness too?

Damn dude, lighten the fark up. Go sign a non-binding, non-effectual treaty which promises to do shiat we already do for kicks or something
 
2012-12-04 11:55:13 PM  
Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"
 
2012-12-04 11:56:09 PM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, the teacher was doing her job. Why do we get angry at people doing their jobs?

"TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"DON'T TEACH OUR CHILDREN!"
"WHY IS MY CHILD STUPID?!"
"TEACHERS ARE WORTHLESS!"

Don't do this. But I am just doing my job. OK, great. That's not part of your job though so don't do it anyway. I AM JUST DOING MY JOB. OK, now you're not anymore. Bye.

So the teacher marks the assignment down because the student didn't follow the rules. Now the parents are angry about that. Should the teacher be punished and insulted for that?

Do you honestly think this way? A teacher is going to grade some kindergarten kids poorly for putting Santa in the real column rather than getting a laugh about it and sending it to the parents so they can get a laugh at the cuteness too?

Damn dude, lighten the fark up. Go sign a non-binding, non-effectual treaty which promises to do shiat we already do for kicks or something


Considering the shiatstorm of WTF surrounding the American education system these days, who knows what to think. Teachers are supposed to teach, but people are mad about what they do and don't teach, we can't "leave any child behind", and teachers can't teach reality anymore. Maybe it makes sense to you, but not to me.

I'll do that while you cry and whine and act like a snotty little brat toward the rest of the world for no reason other than NYAH NYAH NYAH.
 
2012-12-04 11:56:48 PM  

WhippingBoy: Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"


The ones not acting like joyless farkwits I'd imagine

/raises hand
 
rka
2012-12-04 11:58:55 PM  

dopekitty74: I'm atheist, but still let my kids have the magic of santa belief when they were kids, right along with the tooth fairy and easter bunny. Sooner or later they find out that its not real, and usually are not traumatized by this realization.


Usually?

So 2 out of 3 ain't bad amirite? I'd take those odds in Vegas.

I recommend my sisters don't use car seats with their kids. Usually nothing bad happens.
 
2012-12-05 12:00:28 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Considering the shiatstorm of WTF surrounding the American education system these days, who knows what to think. Teachers are supposed to teach, but people are mad about what they do and don't teach, we can't "leave any child behind", and teachers can't teach reality anymore. Maybe it makes sense to you, but not to me.

I'll do that while you cry and whine and act like a snotty little brat toward the rest of the world for no reason other than NYAH NYAH NYAH.


it's so difficult for supposedly intelligent educators to know their place! shiat, My Book of Vogon Poetry didn't cover whether it is right or wrong for me to tell 5 year old kindergarten students there is no Santa Claus...

You'll do what, by the way? You didn't really specify anything that you'll be doing. Are we supposed to surmise that your implication is that you'll continue to act like an asshat?
OK, fair enough. You do that while people who aren't morons will continue understanding the difference between right and wrong and overstepping one's boundaries as an educator of very small children.
 
2012-12-05 12:03:57 AM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: Considering the shiatstorm of WTF surrounding the American education system these days, who knows what to think. Teachers are supposed to teach, but people are mad about what they do and don't teach, we can't "leave any child behind", and teachers can't teach reality anymore. Maybe it makes sense to you, but not to me.

I'll do that while you cry and whine and act like a snotty little brat toward the rest of the world for no reason other than NYAH NYAH NYAH.

it's so difficult for supposedly intelligent educators to know their place! shiat, My Book of Vogon Poetry didn't cover whether it is right or wrong for me to tell 5 year old kindergarten students there is no Santa Claus...

You'll do what, by the way? You didn't really specify anything that you'll be doing. Are we supposed to surmise that your implication is that you'll continue to act like an asshat?
OK, fair enough. You do that while people who aren't morons will continue understanding the difference between right and wrong and overstepping one's boundaries as an educator of very small children.


I like that. How dare those peasants try to teach my children about reality, they should know their place! Such low and feeble things, they should be honored to even look at my kids!

Hey, don't want teachers teaching your kids, them home-school them. Gotta protect them from the real world.
 
2012-12-05 12:08:10 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: I like that. How dare those peasants try to teach my children about reality, they should know their place! Such low and feeble things, they should be honored to even look at my kids!


hehe, you are a parody of a stereotype, right? This is performance art?

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, don't want teachers teaching your kids, them home-school them. Gotta protect them from the real world.


I am not going to homeschool my kids. They'd turn out to be terribly adjusted, strange people who'd do things like argue that it is cool for a teacher to tell a 5 year old there's no Santa.
 
2012-12-05 12:10:48 AM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: I like that. How dare those peasants try to teach my children about reality, they should know their place! Such low and feeble things, they should be honored to even look at my kids!

hehe, you are a parody of a stereotype, right? This is performance art?

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, don't want teachers teaching your kids, them home-school them. Gotta protect them from the real world.

I am not going to homeschool my kids. They'd turn out to be terribly adjusted, strange people who'd do things like argue that it is cool for a teacher to tell a 5 year old there's no Santa.


Nope, just emulating you.

Sorry if how I think makes you angry, but a school is supposed to teach children about the real world and reality.
 
2012-12-05 12:16:20 AM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
Truth
 
2012-12-05 12:17:09 AM  
Ah, yes, this annual thread. And my annual response.

Christmas in our home has always been first and foremost a religious holiday. All the other "stuff" is secondary to that. Fun, but secondary.

I told my kids from a very early age that there once WAS a Bishop, a holy man named Saint Nikolaus, who went around town at Christmas giving charitable gifts, including some toys. After he died, people continued his giving tradition as a way to honor him and to celebrate our Lord's birthday. Saint Nick was shortened over the years to "Santa Claus". "Santa" means "saint". So Santa WAS a real person, in historical times. But he's not alive today.

People enjoy playing the part of "Santa" because it's a wonderful feeling to give to others. And everybody should get a chance to dress up and play at being "Santa". Kids like to play "secret santa". But over the years, people who make money by selling things, and people who are not particularly religious, have kind of borrowed Santa's identity and story, and made up other myths and fake history about him, as entertainment and as a way to sell things. The original Santa didn't look very much like the fat man in the red suit, that was just a popular painting by an artist selling soda pop, and everybody copied that image after that. They made up new stories, because making up stories is fun. There is no north pole workshop, no flying deer. No elves. It's people that make and give the gifts to each other, to show their love for one another on the birthday of Jesus, and they just like to say "santa" brought it because it's fun, or because they're shy. But there WAS a real Santa, once, and giving people gifts was his thing. And you can be like him and give to others to make them happy. You keep Santa's tradition alive.

None of my kids have become tower snipers yet, the oldest is almost twenty and it didn't warp him, that I can see. I think my way of leveling with my kids was the best way, but I'm not for imposing my approach on any other parent: that should be their own responsibility, and a teacher or caregiver should honor that boundary, at least until age ten. This world is tough enough without robbing kid's innocence on a whim. Like the Speech from "Uncle Buck", when he chews out the school principal.

I DO think what's good about my method is that it is logically consistent and that the kids can look it up for themselves and see I never lied to them. The forced pretending, when the kid has already figured it out for themselves, is just awkward and painful all-around.
 
2012-12-05 12:18:47 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: I like that. How dare those peasants try to teach my children about reality, they should know their place! Such low and feeble things, they should be honored to even look at my kids!

hehe, you are a parody of a stereotype, right? This is performance art?

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, don't want teachers teaching your kids, them home-school them. Gotta protect them from the real world.

I am not going to homeschool my kids. They'd turn out to be terribly adjusted, strange people who'd do things like argue that it is cool for a teacher to tell a 5 year old there's no Santa.

Nope, just emulating you.

Sorry if how I think makes you angry, but a school is supposed to teach children about the real world and reality.


by intentionally taking a comment as an offensive statement even though it was clearly not? Says more about you than me.

I think we should replace Valentine's Day projects for mom and dad with explanations of how love is merely a neural chemical response to their parents. Ya know, for reality and stuff.

Don't teach, don't breed.
 
2012-12-05 12:22:05 AM  

WhippingBoy: Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"


Bingo. I love all the people who are saying "Well, when I have kids, I won't ever lie to them". It's almost adorable.

I yield the rest of my time to Mr. Louie CK.


"Daddy, does the earth go around the sun?"
"Yeah."
"Does it do it all the time?"
"Yeah."
"Will the Earth always go around the Sun, forever?"
"Well no, at some point the sun is going to explode."
(starts crying)
"Oh honey, this is not going to happen until you and everyone you know has been dead for a very long time!"
 
2012-12-05 12:37:37 AM  
So the hero tag is on vacation subby? I feel the world would be a much better place if we didn't perpetuate these seemingly innocuous lies.
 
2012-12-05 12:50:02 AM  

safetycap: wambu: You can be a douchebag all you want to adults, but leave the kids the fark alone.

[welcometofark.jpg] 

🐍🐊🐉🐲🌋


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-05 12:53:38 AM  

TwowheelinTim: So the hero tag is on vacation subby? I feel the world would be a much better place if we didn't perpetuate these seemingly innocuous lies.


Careful...you might be a joyless farkwit

skullkrusher: The ones not acting like joyless farkwits I'd imagine


Apparently misleading kids is where the real joy is.
 
2012-12-05 12:54:02 AM  

skullkrusher: ibsalamander: If you believe in the Bible as the infallible word of God, then I can, in fact, prove that He doesn't exist. "In the beginning, God created Heaven and Earth..." etc. It's clear that according to Genesis the Earth was created before the Sun and before the stars -- a testable hypothesis.

actually all you can prove that the Bible is not the infallible word of God in that case.


My bad. I was under the impression that we were talking specifically about the Christian God, as described in the Holy Bible. It would be much harder to disprove a god myth without specific observable claims. My point was this: some Christians criticize atheists because we can't prove a negative; but what gives them the right to claim the upper hand in an argument based on (faulty) logic, when there are massive logical inconsistencies with their philosophy starting on page one of their official creed?

Sigh... why do I always fall for this troll?
 
2012-12-05 12:56:49 AM  

Frederick: Apparently misleading kids is where the real joy is.


yep - sometimes I even pretend I can't find my son when he's hiding his eyes only to surprise him with a nonsense word that sounds something like "Peek-a-boo!" when he uncovers them to his great delight.
 
2012-12-05 12:57:48 AM  

ibsalamander: what gives them the right to claim the upper hand in an argument based on (faulty) logic, when there are massive logical inconsistencies with their philosophy starting on page one of their official creed?


nothing.

ibsalamander: Sigh... why do I always fall for this troll?


which?
 
2012-12-05 01:27:29 AM  
What are you people talking about? Santa is real. Why wouldnt he be real? He brings presents every year, where do you figure they come from? Some magical box store that breaks into your house?
 
2012-12-05 01:32:38 AM  
Has anyone actually read the article? What, precisely, is an "echool"? "The mom emailed a complaint to the principal, who told he that she has reprimanded the teacher and given her the 'tools to deal with this situation' in the future."

Seriously - this article is crap and you should feel like crap for falling for it.
 
2012-12-05 01:32:42 AM  

Krieghund: DreamyAltarBoy: It seems I was born to piss on your fantasies.

[weirdest boner.jpeg]


I had begun to fear that this wouldn't go there.
 
2012-12-05 01:35:35 AM  
It's my life wish to one day bury the seeds of many lies in my children. It'll entertain me. That's why they exist.
 
2012-12-05 01:37:20 AM  
I'm willing to bet that most of the responses to this story belong to one of two camps: Those with children, defending the Santa Claus tradition, and those without children, who have more of a zero tolerance for what they perceive as dishonesty.

Kids under 5 or so live in a completely different world, one filled with whimsy, where animals and inanimate objects come alive. If you were to completely remove all fictional, fantastic and invented or imagined objects from that world it would be a very different and much uglier place. Just live to be over 50 (and have children) if you need proof of exactly how much pain comes to us all, eventually. No need to unnecessarily hasten the process.

It is interesting though, when I think about it, just how much of that fictional world of early childhood is designed by adults to teach, motivate, and manipulate children. You may not listen to your mother, but when a purple dinosaur tells you something, you can believe it, because adults can't see him (I think -- my kid is grown up so I don't know children's characters post Barney). And Paddington Bear, Poo Bear, and Curious George are all obvious surrogate little children, whose tales of right and wrong are rendered more palatable by the cuddly nature of the perp, and the certainty that the children's character is essentially good, just a victim of misguided choices.
 
2012-12-05 01:42:21 AM  

skullkrusher: ibsalamander: what gives them the right to claim the upper hand in an argument based on (faulty) logic, when there are massive logical inconsistencies with their philosophy starting on page one of their official creed?

nothing.

ibsalamander: Sigh... why do I always fall for this troll?

which?


atheism is a religion because it's based on faith in the non-existence of (their) God.
 
2012-12-05 01:50:16 AM  

ibsalamander: atheism is a religion because it's based on faith in the non-existence of (their) God.


That is just stupid and you should feel stupid for having said it.
 
2012-12-05 02:02:58 AM  
happy feast os st nicholas ya freakin heathens!
 
2012-12-05 02:11:03 AM  
The mom says that the principal was "horrified" by what the teachers had done, and adds that the is ordinarily wonderful Austin.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-05 02:12:22 AM  
I never believed in Santa. My older brother was three and a half years older, so at the time he was discovering it wasn't real I was just hearing about this Santa fellow.

My creative imagination was not crushed.
 
2012-12-05 02:26:32 AM  

skullkrusher: Frederick: Apparently misleading kids is where the real joy is.

yep - sometimes I even pretend I can't find my son when he's hiding his eyes only to surprise him with a nonsense word that sounds something like "Peek-a-boo!" when he uncovers them to his great delight.


You're destroying your child! Someday he's going to find out you're lying -- not only about this, but about potentially EVERYTHING in his world ... everything! - and this knowledge will turn him into a serial killer, right before he puts you in an old folks home where they specialize in elder-torture and euthanasia! Then he'll wreck your car.

But you just go ahead and keep lying to your kid.
 
2012-12-05 02:32:49 AM  
(Certain to follow.) School Board to Teacher: There is no job.
 
2012-12-05 02:44:54 AM  
Telling kids that Jesus is fake is awesome but telling kids that Santa isn't real is a dick move? Stay classy, atheists.

/trollface
 
2012-12-05 02:45:17 AM  
Hey I'm 34 and I still believe in Santa. The belief in Santa and the magic of Christmas gave me this awesome feeling of joy and warmth as a child that persists today when I see my own children get excited and full of wonder about Santa. It is something that helps sustain me, that little bit of light and wonder that I have buried inside, and I want to give it to them.

I wouldn't freak out about this lady, though. I would just tell the kids she doesn't believe in Santa, but that doesn't mean we can't. People believe different things. Get over it.
 
2012-12-05 03:06:21 AM  
There is no Santa Claus

Well, there isn't. Not really worth 476 comments, though.
 
2012-12-05 03:27:20 AM  

whidbey: There is no Santa Claus

Well, there isn't. Not really worth 476 comments, though.


I know, right. Krampus is the real deal.
sellin.com
 
2012-12-05 03:31:25 AM  
I think the bigger issue is that the mother actually likes the fact her daughter goes to a racially diverse school. What kind of crack is she smoking?
 
2012-12-05 04:02:06 AM  

MadAzza: skullkrusher: Frederick: Apparently misleading kids is where the real joy is.

yep - sometimes I even pretend I can't find my son when he's hiding his eyes only to surprise him with a nonsense word that sounds something like "Peek-a-boo!" when he uncovers them to his great delight.

You're destroying your child! Someday he's going to find out you're lying -- not only about this, but about potentially EVERYTHING in his world ... everything! - and this knowledge will turn him into a serial killer, right before he puts you in an old folks home where they specialize in elder-torture and euthanasia! Then he'll wreck your car.

But you just go ahead and keep lying to your kid.


Do it Jack Handey style:

""One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going
to take my nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old
burned-out warehouse. "Oh no," I said, "Disneyland burned down.""

or

"If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell
him is, "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute
thing to tell him is, "Probably because of something you did.""
 
2012-12-05 05:02:47 AM  
Lotta aspie farks here who will never have the personal hygiene, let alone the confidence, to get close enough to a woman to procreate trying to dole out "wisdom" about child rearing. How about you mother farkers stick to your My Little Pony and anime while the grown ups that actually have children to raise allow their kids to have a childhood? Not everyone gets to extend their childhood into their cynical 30's, for some it ends much too fast because there will always be miserable coonts who want to suck the joy and wonder of imagination out of the world. As long as the kids have someone who loves them and takes the steps yo help create the fantasy, it's none of your farking business. You want to know what love is? Spending 3 hours putting together a little mermaid kitchenette with decals and no pre-drilled holes and then taking joy as your 2 year old daughter praises and thanks some make believe guy. Helps put things in perspective and realize your responsibility. Many of you are such damaged narcissistic farks, you can't possibly conceive of caring for the well being of something that isn't yourself so you say socially and developmentally retarded shiat in threads like this. Look, basically you're madturbating in public but without the cues and development to understand why it's wrong to tug one off at the food court. I can't fix that level of social ineptitude and ignorance.
 
2012-12-05 05:43:45 AM  

Bender The Offender: Lotta aspie farks here who will never have the personal hygiene, let alone the confidence, to get close enough to a woman to procreate trying to dole out "wisdom" about child rearing. How about you mother farkers stick to your My Little Pony and anime while the grown ups that actually have children to raise allow their kids to have a childhood? Not everyone gets to extend their childhood into their cynical 30's, for some it ends much too fast because there will always be miserable coonts who want to suck the joy and wonder of imagination out of the world. As long as the kids have someone who loves them and takes the steps yo help create the fantasy, it's none of your farking business. You want to know what love is? Spending 3 hours putting together a little mermaid kitchenette with decals and no pre-drilled holes and then taking joy as your 2 year old daughter praises and thanks some make believe guy. Helps put things in perspective and realize your responsibility. Many of you are such damaged narcissistic farks, you can't possibly conceive of caring for the well being of something that isn't yourself so you say socially and developmentally retarded shiat in threads like this. Look, basically you're madturbating in public but without the cues and development to understand why it's wrong to tug one off at the food court. I can't fix that level of social ineptitude and ignorance.


Your amazing strawman argument still doesnt justify how you think other adults should continue your lie to your child. You may lie to your child all you want -but you can not expect other adults to lie to them in your fashion.

You'd be better served explaining how a teacher could better handle the specific situation rather than generalizing on society.

\for the record, I have successfully raised happy children to adulthood
 
2012-12-05 05:46:31 AM  

Bender The Offender: Lotta aspie farks here who will never have the personal hygiene, let alone the confidence, to get close enough to a woman to procreate trying to dole out "wisdom" about child rearing. How about you mother farkers stick to your My Little Pony and anime while the grown ups that actually have children to raise allow their kids to have a childhood? Not everyone gets to extend their childhood into their cynical 30's, for some it ends much too fast because there will always be miserable coonts who want to suck the joy and wonder of imagination out of the world. As long as the kids have someone who loves them and takes the steps yo help create the fantasy, it's none of your farking business. You want to know what love is? Spending 3 hours putting together a little mermaid kitchenette with decals and no pre-drilled holes and then taking joy as your 2 year old daughter praises and thanks some make believe guy. Helps put things in perspective and realize your responsibility. Many of you are such damaged narcissistic farks, you can't possibly conceive of caring for the well being of something that isn't yourself so you say socially and developmentally retarded shiat in threads like this. Look, basically you're madturbating in public but without the cues and development to understand why it's wrong to tug one off at the food court. I can't fix that level of social ineptitude and ignorance.


ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2012-12-05 05:46:44 AM  

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


Or with a science teacher telling children that homeopathy doesn't work.
 
2012-12-05 05:58:56 AM  

Cryokenetic: Bingo. I love all the people who are saying "Well, when I have kids, I won't ever lie to them". It's almost adorable.


You should just save your lies for the important ones, like, "Of course we wanted you!"
 
2012-12-05 06:07:17 AM  
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-05 06:31:23 AM  
When I was five I told my mother that Santa didn't much sense and I knew he wasn't real.
 
2012-12-05 06:56:55 AM  

itsfullofstars: [waterman99.files.wordpress.com image 530x268]


so what's the problem? he was right as it turns out
 
2012-12-05 07:00:05 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


i know you like being edgy but that's not what happened.
i would not expect teachers to "encourage lies" but i'm not sure i'd be happy with them discouraging them either.

i'm not religious at all but i could certainly empathize with parents getting pissed off if a teacher told their 5 year old there's no God. A public school teacher, whose salary is paid by the tax payers, has no business injecting personal beliefs into such matter.
 
2012-12-05 07:01:00 AM  

pippi longstocking: When I was five I told my mother that Santa didn't much sense and I knew he wasn't real.


maybe you should have paid more attention in class as opposed to pondering theological issues ;-p
 
2012-12-05 07:03:41 AM  

debug: The mom says that the principal was "horrified" by what the teachers had done, and adds that the is ordinarily wonderful Austin.

[t1.gstatic.com image 225x225]


yeah - that bugged me too. maybe the editor just learned santa wasn't real and was off crying
 
2012-12-05 07:11:37 AM  

bartink: I have a toddler and will have to figure out what to do about Santa, as I don't want to lie to my child and am an atheist and consider Santa a bit like God-lite. I think we will end up making it a mystery for her to solve on her own as an exercise to sharpen her critical thinking skills. We are going to make it a bit of a right of passage without so much direct lying involved. I've wrestled with this for a while now.

But what the teacher did was different. It is not her place to do this to these families. Santa is a rich tradition that is much valued by many families. Its basically harmless (according to research, I looked into it) and it isn't the teachers place to replace the judgement of the families.

This isn't biology or math or part of the actual curriculum, so it isn't her/his turf at all. Downplay it if you want. Be cagey about it. Do whatever, but ffs don't just go shiatting on family's valued traditions.

This includes telling them there is no god, or there is a god, or anything else that many people feel strongly about.


i agree with all of this.
as non religious person myself we just don't talk to our kids about it until they're ready. my oldest is turning 6 now and he has started asking a few questions and just watching the way his mind works it makes it even more obvious to me that even if we did change our mind and start teaching him about God, so far we're doing it right. The crap people fill their kids' heads with at such a young age is unbelievable. My wife comes from a super religious protestant family and it blows my mind seeing my kids' cousins praying and fretting over death and the afterlife.

It is my opinion that no toddler mind should be poisoned with concepts of the magnitude of God, death, afterlife etc.
Santa is a bit easier to handle and i see no problem with it.

of course all of this is just my opinion - i don't really care how you raise your kids.
At the same time i'm certainly not going to teach my kid that there's no god either.
he's a smart kid, he'll figure it out on his own.

i wonder if this teacher just made an innocuous statement to the kids "you guys don't still believe in santa do you?"

that's probably still inappropriate, but maybe she wasn't TRYING to be a dick?
 
2012-12-05 07:17:01 AM  

Bender The Offender: Lotta aspie farks here who will never have the personal hygiene, let alone the confidence, to get close enough to a woman to procreate trying to dole out "wisdom" about child rearing. How about you mother farkers stick to your My Little Pony and anime while the grown ups that actually have children to raise allow their kids to have a childhood? Not everyone gets to extend their childhood into their cynical 30's, for some it ends much too fast because there will always be miserable coonts who want to suck the joy and wonder of imagination out of the world. As long as the kids have someone who loves them and takes the steps yo help create the fantasy, it's none of your farking business. You want to know what love is? Spending 3 hours putting together a little mermaid kitchenette with decals and no pre-drilled holes and then taking joy as your 2 year old daughter praises and thanks some make believe guy. Helps put things in perspective and realize your responsibility. Many of you are such damaged narcissistic farks, you can't possibly conceive of caring for the well being of something that isn't yourself so you say socially and developmentally retarded shiat in threads like this. Look, basically you're madturbating in public but without the cues and development to understand why it's wrong to tug one off at the food court. I can't fix that level of social ineptitude and ignorance.


Beautiful
 
2012-12-05 08:34:23 AM  
Good lord, when it comes to some topics, Fark is as hardline as Slashdot's Open Source or the highway types. You don't need to tell 5 year old kids Santa isn't real. Just leave it alone and move on. It wasn't a problem until the teacher made it one. Part of living in society is knowing and following some of it's unsaid rules, one of which is: Don't farking tell 5 year olds Santa isn't real.
 
2012-12-05 08:53:19 AM  

Pichu0102: Part of living in society is knowing and following some of it's unsaid rules, one of which is: Don't farking tell 5 year olds Santa isn't real.


Another one is, "Don't use an apostrophe when using the possessive form of 'it'."
 
2012-12-05 09:09:50 AM  

Any Pie Left: people continued his giving tradition as a way to honor him and to celebrate our Lord's birthday. Saint Nick was shortened over the years to "Santa Claus". "Santa" means "saint". So Santa WAS a real person, in historical times. But he's not alive today.


pray tell, on what date exactly was 'your lord' born?

//in for a penny, in for a pound. 

to add to the confusion, my wife's family is of German catholic ancestry... Saint Nick day is tomorrow (Dec 6th) within the church... but Saint Nick is different from Santa Claus...Saint Nick leaves small presents, candy in stockings... but he's different than Santa Claus... explain that to an 8 year old.
 
2012-12-05 09:10:59 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: whidbey: There is no Santa Claus

Well, there isn't. Not really worth 476 comments, though.

I know, right. Krampus is the real deal.
[sellin.com image 363x558]


oh sure you would bring up Krampus here on Krampusnacht eve
 
2012-12-05 09:11:46 AM  

Sofa King Smart: to add to the confusion, my wife's family is of German catholic ancestry... Saint Nick day is tomorrow (Dec 6th) within the church... but Saint Nick is different from Santa Claus...Saint Nick leaves small presents, candy in stockings... but he's different than Santa Claus... explain that to an 8 year old.


We do that, too. Do you put onions/potatoes in the stockings too if they've been a little naughty?

Along with the little gifts, I mean.
 
2012-12-05 09:23:00 AM  

untaken_name: Pichu0102: Part of living in society is knowing and following some of it's unsaid rules, one of which is: Don't farking tell 5 year olds Santa isn't real.

Another one is, "Don't use an apostrophe when using the possessive form of 'it'."


fark!
 
2012-12-05 09:33:38 AM  

Frederick: Apparently misleading kids is where the real joy is.


So a teacher should reccommend a child pursue a higher education at a university so they can start their lives 100k in debt with no job prospect?


Talk about misleading........
 
2012-12-05 09:34:57 AM  

Slesfo: I'm a (relatively theologically conservative) pastor, and part time troll on fark (part time enough that nobody recognizes me, but i've been here a LONG TIME), imitating idiot conservatives to vent my frustration about them.

Anyway, my favorite thing to tell members of my church who think that it's adorable to tell kids about Santa is that many people point to their disillusionment about Santa as the first step in their turning away from God, and that by telling them lies about Santa Claus, you demonstrate that you care more about your own amusement than the spiritual destiny of your child.


So...believe in one imaginary being over another?
 
2012-12-05 09:35:22 AM  

pippi longstocking: When I was five I told my mother that Santa didn't much sense and I knew he wasn't real.


"Santa didn't much sense"? WTF does that even mean?
 
2012-12-05 09:41:20 AM  

Pichu0102: Good lord, when it comes to some topics, Fark is as hardline as Slashdot's Open Source or the highway types. You don't need to tell 5 year old kids Santa isn't real. Just leave it alone and move on. It wasn't a problem until the teacher made it one. Part of living in society is knowing and following some of it's unsaid rules, one of which is: Don't farking tell 5 year olds Santa isn't real.


Leave it to other 5 year olds to do the job for you. right?

/never believed
//likes presents
 
2012-12-05 09:44:20 AM  
Wow...there are a lot of sad, lonely assholes on Fark today.
 
2012-12-05 09:44:44 AM  
I'm afraid that we need to destroy all childhood whimsy. "My Little Pony" is therefore cancelled.
 
2012-12-05 09:44:59 AM  

ferretman: Wow...there are a lot of sad, lonely assholes on Fark today.


One extra word.
 
2012-12-05 10:15:39 AM  

ibsalamander: skullkrusher: ibsalamander: what gives them the right to claim the upper hand in an argument based on (faulty) logic, when there are massive logical inconsistencies with their philosophy starting on page one of their official creed?

nothing.

ibsalamander: Sigh... why do I always fall for this troll?

which?

atheism is a religion because it's based on faith in the non-existence of (their) God.


ah that's an oldie but a goodie for the reaction it generates :)
 
2012-12-05 10:20:36 AM  

MadAzza: skullkrusher: Frederick: Apparently misleading kids is where the real joy is.

yep - sometimes I even pretend I can't find my son when he's hiding his eyes only to surprise him with a nonsense word that sounds something like "Peek-a-boo!" when he uncovers them to his great delight.

You're destroying your child! Someday he's going to find out you're lying -- not only about this, but about potentially EVERYTHING in his world ... everything! - and this knowledge will turn him into a serial killer, right before he puts you in an old folks home where they specialize in elder-torture and euthanasia! Then he'll wreck your car.

But you just go ahead and keep lying to your kid.


hehe
 
2012-12-05 11:59:18 AM  

The Muthaship: Sofa King Smart: to add to the confusion, my wife's family is of German catholic ancestry... Saint Nick day is tomorrow (Dec 6th) within the church... but Saint Nick is different from Santa Claus...Saint Nick leaves small presents, candy in stockings... but he's different than Santa Claus... explain that to an 8 year old.

We do that, too. Do you put onions/potatoes in the stockings too if they've been a little naughty?

Along with the little gifts, I mean.


we didn't do it with out kids but I've heard stories like that from relatives on her side of the family... a lot of the family is still in the same area, one cousin moved to the Atlanta area several years ago and now has young kids... and brought up the whole St Nick Santa Claus issue on facebook last year... her kids went to school and none of the other kids knew what they were talking about leaving stockings out for Saint Nick on the night of the 5th... she had to try to explain to them when they got home from school why the other kids didn't know about it.
 
2012-12-05 12:38:04 PM  

WhippingBoy: Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"


2-year-old daughter, and anyone who tries to take joy away from her childhood will have to deal with me. To childless Farkers: this is not being an ITG. You'll understand what I mean if / when you have kiddos of your own.
 
2012-12-05 12:43:43 PM  

BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"

2-year-old daughter, and anyone who tries to take joy away from her childhood will have to deal with me. To childless Farkers: this is not being an ITG. You'll understand what I mean if / when you have kiddos of your own.


Meh.

Just part of the brainwashing process.
 
2012-12-05 12:47:52 PM  

whidbey: There is no Santa Claus

Well, there isn't. Not really worth 476 comments, though.


Would you care to write the dissenting opinion on that? I mean, it's pretty clear that lots of people disagree with you.

Frederick: TwowheelinTim: So the hero tag is on vacation subby? I feel the world would be a much better place if we didn't perpetuate these seemingly innocuous lies.

Careful...you might be a joyless farkwit

skullkrusher: The ones not acting like joyless farkwits I'd imagine

Apparently misleading kids is where the real joy is.


Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.
 
2012-12-05 12:56:25 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"

2-year-old daughter, and anyone who tries to take joy away from her childhood will have to deal with me. To childless Farkers: this is not being an ITG. You'll understand what I mean if / when you have kiddos of your own.

Meh.

Just part of the brainwashing process.



Whereas you're in possession of Ultimate Truth, right?
 
2012-12-05 01:35:46 PM  

BigNumber12: StoPPeRmobile: BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"

2-year-old daughter, and anyone who tries to take joy away from her childhood will have to deal with me. To childless Farkers: this is not being an ITG. You'll understand what I mean if / when you have kiddos of your own.

Meh.

Just part of the brainwashing process.


Whereas you're in possession of Ultimate Truth, right?


Not sure what that means but if it requires deceit then that sounds fishy to me.
 
2012-12-05 01:44:43 PM  

BigNumber12: WhippingBoy: Let's play my favorite game:

"Who here actually has children?"

2-year-old daughter, and anyone who tries to take joy away from her childhood will have to deal with me. To childless Farkers: this is not being an ITG. You'll understand what I mean if / when you have kiddos of your own.


I had nearly posted something similar but thought better of it, as it included details.
 
2012-12-05 01:58:04 PM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: I like that. How dare those peasants try to teach my children about reality, they should know their place! Such low and feeble things, they should be honored to even look at my kids!

hehe, you are a parody of a stereotype, right? This is performance art?

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, don't want teachers teaching your kids, them home-school them. Gotta protect them from the real world.

I am not going to homeschool my kids. They'd turn out to be terribly adjusted, strange people who'd do things like argue that it is cool for a teacher to tell a 5 year old there's no Santa.

Nope, just emulating you.

Sorry if how I think makes you angry, but a school is supposed to teach children about the real world and reality.

by intentionally taking a comment as an offensive statement even though it was clearly not? Says more about you than me.

I think we should replace Valentine's Day projects for mom and dad with explanations of how love is merely a neural chemical response to their parents. Ya know, for reality and stuff.

Don't teach, don't breed.


Yeah, let's compare apples to oranges. That's the skullkrusher way.
 
2012-12-05 02:16:52 PM  
I haven't read the entire thread yet, only up to page 5, sorry if this has already been posted.

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.
 
2012-12-05 02:17:14 PM  
In Texas, teaching kids the truth will get you in trouble with the authorities. Ric Romero reporting.

"We dun need nun o'dat truth biznez herebouts!"
 
2012-12-05 03:31:59 PM  

Gunny Highway: People have an issue with telling kids Santa Claus is real?


Yes. People without kids. People that had crappy childhoods. People that are just crappy in general.
 
2012-12-05 03:51:47 PM  
At least she didn't get arrested.

Link
 
2012-12-05 04:23:12 PM  

dustygrimp: whidbey: There is no Santa Claus

Well, there isn't. Not really worth 476 comments, though.

Would you care to write the dissenting opinion on that? I mean, it's pretty clear that lots of people disagree with you.


So? This isn't a popularity contest. There is no Santa Claus.

This is a fact. And it's kind of disturbing that people find comfort in continuing to spread that kind of lie throughout generations. Christmas itself is kind of disturbing in that if you don't go along with the busy bees, you get a lot of sh*t for it and are somewhat ostracized.

It's a great excuse and it's a good time. Otherwise, Christmas is a bullshiat mega-capitalist corporatist holiday and you damn well know it. Sorry if that pops your balloon.
 
2012-12-05 04:25:06 PM  
Great, now can we pass an amendment repealing the 17th amendment too?
 
2012-12-05 05:08:30 PM  

whidbey: dustygrimp: whidbey: There is no Santa Claus

Well, there isn't. Not really worth 476 comments, though.

Would you care to write the dissenting opinion on that? I mean, it's pretty clear that lots of people disagree with you.

So? This isn't a popularity contest. There is no Santa Claus.

This is a fact. And it's kind of disturbing that people find comfort in continuing to spread that kind of lie throughout generations. Christmas itself is kind of disturbing in that if you don't go along with the busy bees, you get a lot of sh*t for it and are somewhat ostracized.

It's a great excuse and it's a good time. Otherwise, Christmas is a bullshiat mega-capitalist corporatist holiday and you damn well know it. Sorry if that pops your balloon.


You're making a lot out of something simple. Don't f*ck with someone else's kids. That's all.

/I hate that Christmas has become a phony 'want to be seen as overachieving' , too. But that's a different subject.
 
2012-12-05 05:11:09 PM  

whidbey: dustygrimp: whidbey: There is no Santa Claus

Well, there isn't. Not really worth 476 comments, though.

Would you care to write the dissenting opinion on that? I mean, it's pretty clear that lots of people disagree with you.

So? This isn't a popularity contest. There is no Santa Claus.

This is a fact. And it's kind of disturbing that people find comfort in continuing to spread that kind of lie throughout generations. Christmas itself is kind of disturbing in that if you don't go along with the busy bees, you get a lot of sh*t for it and are somewhat ostracized.

It's a great excuse and it's a good time. Otherwise, Christmas is a bullshiat mega-capitalist corporatist holiday and you damn well know it. Sorry if that pops your balloon.


I was actually referring to the not being worth 476 comments assertion but...

Is there a Santa Claus? Yes. It is not a jolly fat guy in a red suit who leaves presents for all the good gentile children. It's the spirit of giving that grips many of us this time of year. It's the desire to make our family and friends happy. It's the ability to see that even though it's a boon for capitalists, the spirit of the people can carry us to a better place. It's all those things embodied in the symbol of Santa Claus the man. When my 4 year old asks me if there is a Santa Claus, you're god damn right I say yes because I want her to believe that there is a time when people can rise above the misery that surrounds us and remember how fortunate we are in what we have.
 
2012-12-05 05:48:11 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: You're making a lot out of something simple. Don't f*ck with someone else's kids. That's all.


So doing your job as a teacher is "f*cking with someone else's kids?"

/I hate that Christmas has become a phony 'want to be seen as overachieving' , too. But that's a different subject.

Well, I doubt we are going to get around to discussing that subject if you're that uptight about telling kids the truth about Christmas.

dustygrimp: When my 4 year old asks me if there is a Santa Claus, you're god damn right I say yes because I want her to believe that there is a time when people can rise above the misery that surrounds us and remember how fortunate we are in what we have.


I guess I don't understand why you would have to lie about the existence of a mythical being to achieve that goal.
 
2012-12-05 05:52:27 PM  

whidbey: So doing your job as a teacher is "f*cking with someone else's kids?"


How is telling 5 year olds that Santa isn't real part of her job?
 
2012-12-05 05:55:17 PM  

The Muthaship: whidbey: So doing your job as a teacher is "f*cking with someone else's kids?"

How is telling 5 year olds that Santa isn't real part of her job?


Because teachers teach.

Telling kids that Santa Claus doesn't exist constitutes teaching information.

I shouldn't have to put two and two together for you. You really just can't handle that there isn't really a Santa Claus, can you? And you're not even a kid.
 
2012-12-05 06:02:43 PM  

whidbey: Because teachers teach.


Kindergarten teachers have to follow a set curriculum, you think teaching kids there's no Santa is on it or do you think this sad woman freelanced it?

To me, there is a Santa Claus. It's not a person, it's a sort of concept. I loved it as a kid, and my kids love it, too. I'm sorry you didn't and don't have that.
 
2012-12-05 06:52:31 PM  

whidbey: Because teachers teach.


I know I was a little pissed off when I didn't see the Holocaust on my preschoolers curriculum.

/yes I went there
 
2012-12-05 07:02:34 PM  

The Muthaship: To me, there is a Santa Claus. It's not a person, it's a sort of concept. I loved it as a kid, and my kids love it, too. I'm sorry you didn't and don't have that.


Assume much?

/yes I went there

Yes because telling kids that Santa Claus is a myth is exactly the same thing as teaching them about Nazi genocide. What was I thinking?
 
2012-12-05 07:05:09 PM  

whidbey: Assume much?


Nope:

whidbey: There is no Santa Claus.