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2012-12-04 02:20:05 PM
I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:59 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


I'm okay with other people minding their own goddamn business.
 
2012-12-04 02:25:04 PM
FTFA: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Mmmm....cult-like school detected.
 
2012-12-04 02:35:30 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.


I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?
 
2012-12-04 02:35:39 PM

naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.


Maybe. The Houston Press' "Hair Balls" blog has a tendency toward irreverence.
 
2012-12-04 02:38:56 PM

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


That's really the only reason the parents are upset. Because now they have to figure out how to explain why Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are all made up bullshiat but Jesus is totally real.
 
2012-12-04 02:42:52 PM
Maybe that teacher should find out what it is like to come down the chimney.
 
2012-12-04 02:45:10 PM

Shostie: naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.

Maybe. The Houston Press' "Hair Balls" blog has a tendency toward irreverence.


No, really. They're predicated on the philosophical notion of anthroposophy, which draws core tenets from the "Akashic Records" which people like Edgar Cayce would cite.
 
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2012-12-04 03:06:39 PM
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2012-12-04 03:06:54 PM
Ugh.

Step one: Something is a lie.

Step two: Someone says it's a lie.

Step three: People freak out.

I wish I could bring myself to care.

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


It's not that I'd be okay with it, it's that I genuinely wouldn't care.

exick: Because now they have to figure out how to explain why Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are all made up bullshiat but Jesus is totally real.


Pretty much, yeah.

Maybe we should try not making things up and passing them off as real?

/big fan of fantasy, sci-fi, supernatural etc., with a love of imagination and playing pretend
//but there's a difference I guess
 
2012-12-04 03:08:05 PM

naughtyrev: which draws core tenets from the "Akashic Records"


They produced some dope ass albums in the mid-90s.
 
2012-12-04 03:18:09 PM

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If you cropped out the table, it'd look like they were about to team up to fight crime.
 
2012-12-04 03:21:42 PM
"Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?
 
2012-12-04 03:25:38 PM

ManateeGag: I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


Why is a school talking about Santa or any other religious figure at all?
 
2012-12-04 03:26:01 PM

vernonFL: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?


See my comments above.
 
2012-12-04 03:32:13 PM

mattharvest: ManateeGag: I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

Why is a school talking about Santa or any other religious figure at all?


According to TFA, the exercise was to draw a picture of something real and a picture of something made up. Some kids started drawing Santa in the "real" column or whatever and the teacher decided that that is the moment when she must step in and correct these misinformed five year old plebes.
 
2012-12-04 03:39:04 PM

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...
 
2012-12-04 03:50:59 PM
Obligatory:

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2012-12-04 03:52:25 PM
I dunno, telling kids Santa is real is kind of a dick move. My mom never wanted to do the Santa thing but my grandmother convinced her to.
 
2012-12-04 03:56:30 PM
Reality belongs in education. Fantasy belongs in religion.
 
2012-12-04 03:58:45 PM
I presume Ms. Grinchowski was immediately reprimanded and put on paid leave?
 
2012-12-04 03:59:09 PM
biatch
 
2012-12-04 04:05:31 PM
They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.
 
2012-12-04 04:05:44 PM
"IT'S THE EXPRESSION ON THEIR LITTLE FACES I LIKE, said the Hogfather.

"You mean sort of fear and awe and not knowing whether to laugh or cry or wet their pants?"

YES. NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL BELIEF."
 
2012-12-04 04:10:46 PM

Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.


Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.
 
2012-12-04 04:12:11 PM
This happens every year, and every year it's a big damn story with the teacher catching so much damn flak from idiot parents.

Wanna fix it? Tell your kids "Hey, your teacher misspoke." 5 year olds will believe it.

No, let's fly off the handle and get nationwide attention.
 
2012-12-04 04:17:28 PM

Shostie: mattharvest: ManateeGag: I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

Why is a school talking about Santa or any other religious figure at all?

According to TFA, the exercise was to draw a picture of something real and a picture of something made up. Some kids started drawing Santa in the "real" column or whatever and the teacher decided that that is the moment when she must step in and correct these misinformed five year old plebes.


What would you prefer? That she let them draw a fictional character in there? If the point was to understand the difference between things that and real and things that aren't, then that's fair.

Now, perhaps she would have been better off saying "I was talking about things, not people" or something, but that's not the point. I wasn't aware parents were entitled to have their kids' illusions protected by teachers.
 
2012-12-04 04:17:32 PM
The kid learned a very valuable lesson: NEVER push your luck with a substitute kindergarten teacher. 
 
Those people are one secret shot of Popov vodka and a high-pitched kiddie scream away from full-on mass Kindercide!
 
2012-12-04 04:17:51 PM
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. - Voltaire

Gotta get 'em while they're young. That way, reasons for waging war seem much more believable.
 
2012-12-04 04:22:06 PM

naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.


Not really. Waldorf does draw from Anthroposophy and Rudolf Steiner, but it could hardly be called a "cult" movement. It is an educational framework and impulse designed to cultivate children's relationships with nature and cycles of the nature world. Rudolf Steiner was committed to an esoteric form of Christianity, which did make room for other-than-human Persons in the world--but that's really not exceptional for the Christian tradition, or many other religious traditions for that matter. The problem that I have is that the teacher entirely short circuits the very real and very positive experience of moving from exoteric symbolism to esoteric truth. There is a very real spirit of thankfulness, generosity and giving in humanity often associated with the birth of the new light (the Sun) around the winter solstice. Just as the cosmos gives us this light of increase, so too do we donate to each other's increase. Santa Claus is a way for children to experience this at the level they are capable of doing at that age. There will be a time they'll learn on their own that this is a subtle truth to be experienced inwardly for themselves--but wrenching the sacramental usage of Santa Claus out of the world of the youth does not strike me as a healthy move. We teach children lots of things at the level they are capable of appreciating--and then complicate them later on when they are capable of handling complication. In terms of Zen: "Yes there is a Santa Claus for those who do not know what he is. There is no Santa Claus for those who know what he is."

/flame away, won't bother me
 
2012-12-04 04:23:20 PM

Mugato: Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.


Nice strawman there. Nice and fluffy.
 
2012-12-04 04:40:26 PM

Somacandra: naughtyrev: Mmmm....cult-like school detected.

Not really. Waldorf does draw from Anthroposophy and Rudolf Steiner, but it could hardly be called a "cult" movement. It is an educational framework and impulse designed to cultivate children's relationships with nature and cycles of the nature world. Rudolf Steiner was committed to an esoteric form of Christianity, which did make room for other-than-human Persons in the world--but that's really not exceptional for the Christian tradition, or many other religious traditions for that matter. The problem that I have is that the teacher entirely short circuits the very real and very positive experience of moving from exoteric symbolism to esoteric truth. There is a very real spirit of thankfulness, generosity and giving in humanity often associated with the birth of the new light (the Sun) around the winter solstice. Just as the cosmos gives us this light of increase, so too do we donate to each other's increase. Santa Claus is a way for children to experience this at the level they are capable of doing at that age. There will be a time they'll learn on their own that this is a subtle truth to be experienced inwardly for themselves--but wrenching the sacramental usage of Santa Claus out of the world of the youth does not strike me as a healthy move. We teach children lots of things at the level they are capable of appreciating--and then complicate them later on when they are capable of handling complication. In terms of Zen: "Yes there is a Santa Claus for those who do not know what he is. There is no Santa Claus for those who know what he is."

/flame away, won't bother me


Fair enough. I know the kids who attend these schools do tend to perform well on standard measures later in life (SATs, for one). Pedagogically, they seem a bit mushy to me, but then again, most public schools are most certainly far too data, testing and outcomes oriented which is certainly bad for children I believe.
 
2012-12-04 05:47:40 PM

Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.


I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.
 
2012-12-04 05:48:19 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

As I said, I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies...


Jesus F*cking Christ on a raft, it's not a lie. It's a child's story, a fantasy.
Some of you take this "OMFG THERE IS NO SANTA UR LYING TO OUR CHILLDERN" nonsense much too seriously. What you think simply isn't important to their development.
Let children have their fantasies. It really doesn't concern you.
 
2012-12-04 05:49:57 PM

exick: ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?

That's really the only reason the parents are upset. Because now they have to figure out how to explain why Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are all made up bullshiat but Jesus is totally real.


Really? You know them? What a great coincidence! What else can you tell us about them that those of us who don't know them personally aren't privy to?
 
2012-12-04 05:50:18 PM
I've never lied to my kids about Santa.
 
2012-12-04 05:54:38 PM

Krymson Tyde: I had a nice long reasoned reply for you, but I decided my thoughts can be better summed up by saying fark you.


I've heard that before.
 
2012-12-04 05:55:16 PM

Mugato: Krymson Tyde: They will learn many truths about the world soon enough. Let them be children and believe in childish things while they can.

Yeah, lie to your kids about Santa and when they turn 6 or so, "Psych! It's all bullshiat!". Great way to raise a kid.


It's too bad such an insignifant event damaged you much. Fortunately, most children are far more resilient.
 
2012-12-04 05:55:28 PM

vernonFL: "Aven had previously attended a Waldorf school, where belief in fairies and other supernatural beings was nurtured."

Is this true?


That someone named their kid Aven? Probably.
 
2012-12-04 06:00:36 PM
Not so at her new school, where the teacher reportedly has a partner-in-grinchiness.

I hate that misuse of the term. I've been called a Grinch or a Scrooge before and it's utter bullshiat. They ended up having a change of heart.
 
2012-12-04 06:14:00 PM

stpauler: Not so at her new school, where the teacher reportedly has a partner-in-grinchiness.

I hate that misuse of the term. I've been called a Grinch or a Scrooge before and it's utter bullshiat. They ended up having a change of heart.


You tell yourself you're not that kind but you don't even know your mind
Even you could have a change of heart
Don't lose that number You don't wanna call nobody else
Send it off in a letter to yourself, It's the only one you own
You might use it if you feel better when you get home
 
2012-12-04 06:18:54 PM
He shouldn't have, but this is a good example of something not being a BFD.
 
2012-12-04 06:48:59 PM

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


There are adults that believe in gods. Are there adults that believe in Santa?

FTFA: "Another adult has no right to submit their own beliefs on a group of 5 year olds and their families - about Santa, God, politics or whatever - especially phrased 'your belief is not right.'"

Is that belief contradictory to yours? That Santa isn't real? The only way the teacher is saying, 'your belief is not right' is if you do, indeed, believe in him.
 
2012-12-04 07:26:43 PM

maxalt: Maybe that teacher should find out what it is like to come down the chimney.


I tried that once, but got soot all over my weener and I'm pretty sure one of the neighbors was watching.
 
2012-12-04 07:26:49 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

You people are slow.
 
2012-12-04 07:47:39 PM
Well......there isn't. However, 5-year-olds are supposed to believe in supernatural/mythical beings. They're kids. I stopped believing in Santa when I was 7, only because I figured out the handwriting on my gift tags was my mom's, and the handwriting on my sister's gift tags was my dad's. She was 2, so they kept putting "From: Santa" on hers, but after that they'd just put "From: Mom & Dad" on mine. It never bothered them that I found them out; I think they would have been hurt if I'd found the presents early or something.

Now, when a 40-year-old still believes that a jolly fat man who lives at the top of planet will squeeze himself through their chimney once a year.....then we have a problem.
 
2012-12-04 07:49:54 PM
I read an article one time that was talking about how learning that there is no Santa is a big part of growing up, and it helps kids feel responsible with that little bit of "adult" knowledge, especially if there are younger siblings in the house.

Was pretty interesting.
 
2012-12-04 07:52:39 PM
The guy who wrote that needs to go back to school.

Having said that, it is sort of a dick move for a teacher to tell 5-year-olds there's no Santa, but I wouldn't call this a firing offense.
 
2012-12-04 07:52:40 PM

ManateeGag: The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with teachers not encouraging lies like that.

I'm sure you'd be ok with an athiest teacher telling a christian student that there is no God too, right?


Well, duh. If the child started drawing a god on the Real side of the page, the teacher would be derelict in their duty in not correcting them.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:19 PM
Because she is disrupting the school atmosphere, can she be fired under her teaching contract's sanity clause?
 
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