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(The Tennessean)   There are two types of coaches in college football - those who would rank Notre Dame #1, and those who have been paying attention throughout the season   (tennessean.com) divider line 18
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2012-12-04 02:18:35 PM
3 votes:
Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.
2012-12-04 03:42:40 PM
2 votes:
*yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...
2012-12-04 03:12:34 PM
2 votes:

ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list



Maybe Notre Dame should have run the gauntlet of Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Missouri.
2012-12-04 02:58:04 PM
2 votes:
i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.
2012-12-05 11:47:51 AM
1 votes:
(Full disclosure: I'm a Bama fan.)

Notre Dame's strength of schedule is impressive. They have scheduled, played, and beaten several big-name teams, like Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, USC, and Stanford. True, USC and Michigan State had down years, but Michigan hasn't been dominant since 2007, and Oklahoma and Stanford had pretty good years. Strength of schedule is solid for Notre Dame, and the fact that they weren't expected to run the table - but did - is impressive.

When you take into consideration margin of victory, it gets a bit dicey. Notre Dame, as mentioned earlier in this thread, hasn't had very many dominant performances against quality opponents, save for Oklahoma, and they had several very close calls against teams they had no business losing to. The game against Pitt comes to mind; if Pitt has anything close to a kicker, they win.

Does a very poor margin of victory outweigh a strong schedule? That's up for debate, and I think that's half of the problem many have with Notre Dame being ranked at the top. I think the other half is the much-debated eye test. When push comes to shove, how many in the country really think Notre Dame is the best team in the country, irrespective of ranking or record?

I personally don't; I think Stanford is a better team (they lost to Notre Dame with Josh Nunes as the starter; my guess is that Kevin Hogan would've been the difference in that one.) I think Georgia is also a better team than Notre Dame, as is Oregon. Florida, it's debatable; I don't think they have a passer who can balance out their offence and threaten Notre Dame's strong run defense. I think a ND-Texas A&M game would be close, and I'd give that slight advantage to A&M. I do think Notre Dame is better than Kansas State and every other Big 12 team, and probably better than every team in the Big 10 and ACC. But still, with just some of those teams I named, Notre Dame would be number 5, and that's not counting LSU, either, who I think would beat Notre Dame if they played.

As far as the national championship is concerned, it is really, really hard to out-Bama Bama. Only one team in the Saban era has been able to do it, and that's LSU - a team Alabama beat this year (and should've beaten by more than the final score), should've beaten last year if not for stupid mistakes, and absolutely throttled this past January. Utah, Florida, Auburn, and Texas A&M are all spread teams, which is Bama's Achilles heel, and South Carolina in 2010 just played out of its mind for that one game.

Notre Dame is predicated on a strong running game on offense and a stout run-stopping defense. Their tempo isn't particularly fast, and they try to operate around time of possession and ball control. Sound familiar?

Plus, matchups generally favor Alabama:

ND OL and running game vs. Bama front seven on D: Bama
Bama OL and running game vs. ND front seven: Bama
Bama WRs vs. an unheralded ND secondary: Bama
Unheralded ND WRs vs. an inconsistent-yet-talented Bama secondary: Push at best for ND; slight Bama advantage.

McCarron for Bama is the nation's leader in pass efficiency. Interceptions are rare; two of the three he's thrown this year came at the goal line, one in a desperation fourth-down play against A&M. He has a rating of 122.6.

Golson has a rating of 88.3, with a completion rate of 58.9. He's thrown just 11 touchdowns versus 5 interceptions; McCarron is 26 and 3.

Oh, and the teams that beat Bama, other than LSU? They had QBs who could throw the ball. Georgia has a great QB in Murray who played a great game this past Saturday and still lost. Golson isn't someone anyone thinks of when they think of a QB who can tear up a secondary with his arm. And unless you're a solid, above-average passer, you don't often beat Alabama as a spread-oriented, run-first QB - just ask every QB for Auburn minus Cam Newton over the past few years, every QB for Florida minus Tim Tebow (and he only got the best of Bama for one year), Denard Robinson, Tyrod Taylor, and a host of others.

Notre Dame lives or dies on its ability to run the ball. Alabama lives or dies on its ability to stop the run. Alabama is really, really good at stopping the run, and few teams over the Nick Saban era have shown a capability of winning a game based on running against Alabama.

I think Notre Dame is a good team, one of the best this year. I just think Alabama is a really bad match for them. I think a game against Georgia would've been a better match. While I don't think it'd be a monumental upset if Notre Dame won, I don't expect them to.
2012-12-04 05:18:51 PM
1 votes:
If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.
2012-12-04 05:08:04 PM
1 votes:
Hey Subby...You do realize college football coaches have better things to do than watch games of other college teams, right? College coaches shouldn't have a vote because they don't know Shat about teams they don't play. Many Farkers could probably do a more realisitic ranking than any college football coach could do.
2012-12-04 04:28:31 PM
1 votes:

xtragrind: sab6300: What about Ohio St?

If they were allowed to play in this year's postseason it would probably be Ohio St vs ND.

/I think I threw up in my mouth
//Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,

99 out of a 100? You sure. I vaguely remember tOSU beating Miami when folks were saying they had no chance. I also remember folks, like you, saying that Florida had no chance when they played tOSU the first time. The reason you play the game is because shiat happens.

TheDumbBlonde: The Gators would love to kick OSU's ass again. Maybe next year.

One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.


No one is shedding tears in Gainesville. I promise you that.
2012-12-04 04:28:08 PM
1 votes:

xtragrind: One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.


Urban Meyer left Florida long before Jim Tressel got his ass in a sling with the NCAA. That's just nonsense to say that Meyer left Florida for the chance to coach at Ohio State. If Tressel hadn't got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he'd probably still be there.
2012-12-04 04:01:36 PM
1 votes:

jayhawk88: but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning


if the only metric you use for your rankings is number of losses then you're right that it would be pants on head tarded to not have notre dame at number one. however, not everyone thinks that's the only metric that can be considered.
2012-12-04 03:57:55 PM
1 votes:

The Third Man: A Fark Handle: notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.

Yep, and Alabama beat TAMU by -5.


A&M would beat ND by 15.

A&M had a big advantage playing Bama the week after they played LSU
2012-12-04 03:55:20 PM
1 votes:
Look, I hate ND as much as the next guy, but there isn't a major conference member school in the nation that wouldn't be ranked #1 if:

1. There were no other major conference member schools that were also unbeated
2. That schools schedule was at least somewhat respectable.

KU damn near made a national championship (or at least a Big 12 title game) in 2007 just because they were fortunate enough to duck Texas and OU in the same year. Schedules are weird, shiat happens. If you want to argue that ND isn't as good as their record/the media says they are, fine, but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning.
2012-12-04 03:53:14 PM
1 votes:

Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...


large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.
2012-12-04 03:50:46 PM
1 votes:
Its just a damn shame that Pitt's kicker sucks balls. He had 2 good chances to beat the Irish, and then we would have evenly matched teams in the Championship game

Bama would pull its QB and D in the 4th Quarter if it played Pitt
2012-12-04 03:09:17 PM
1 votes:
F it, SEC you win. You are the best, by far better than all others. Because of this the rest of the NCAA should stop playing your teams and have our own championship. While you all circle jerk each other and in the end your top two teams can play each other for The World Champions Of Redneck Good Ol Southern Boy Chicken and Waffles Trophy.
2012-12-04 03:08:22 PM
1 votes:

mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.


funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list
2012-12-04 03:06:03 PM
1 votes:

A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.


I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.
2012-12-04 03:00:58 PM
1 votes:

A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.


You're a farking moron.

Look at Alabama schedule v. ND's and then proceed to nearest glory whole friendly truck stop and get your ass to work, jawbone.
 
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