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2012-12-04 02:16:21 PM  
Doesn't matter now, does it? We'll find out soon enough.

Or maybe not soon enough. The only person who likes the month-long wait is Nick Saban.
 
2012-12-04 02:18:35 PM  
Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.
 
2012-12-04 02:34:46 PM  

basemetal: Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.


I commend Vandy's coach, Franklin, for basically making that his ballot. Might as well go all in on the bullsh*t until you're not allowed to anymore. IIRC his ballot was actually SEC SEC SEC Notre Dame Oregon SEC SEC SEC
 
2012-12-04 02:38:56 PM  
Oh bullshiat. notre Dame earned the number 1 spot. The only people who truly had a say in it were the teams that kept LOSING to them.
 
2012-12-04 02:58:04 PM  
i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.
 
2012-12-04 03:00:58 PM  

A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.


You're a farking moron.

Look at Alabama schedule v. ND's and then proceed to nearest glory whole friendly truck stop and get your ass to work, jawbone.
 
2012-12-04 03:03:06 PM  
Louisiana Tech and Baylor would like a word with y'all.
 
2012-12-04 03:04:06 PM  
My top 10 just for the hell of it:

1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Georgia
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M
6. Florida
7. LSU
8. Kansas State
9. Stanford
10.Florida State

(South Carolina would have been 10 but with the injury to Lattimore they dropped)
 
2012-12-04 03:05:32 PM  

Dogfacedgod: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

You're a farking moron.

Look at Alabama schedule v. ND's and then proceed to nearest glory whole friendly truck stop and get your ass to work, jawbone.


you know florida only has one lost and a tough schedule. and look at margin of victory for bama. and really none of this matters because it will settle in miami unless we all get lucky and global warming washes away both teams in a massive flood.
 
2012-12-04 03:06:03 PM  

A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.


I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.
 
2012-12-04 03:07:32 PM  
I've said this before, but I don't know why coaches that are on the borderline of making a BCS game or something don't just vote themselves #1.
 
2012-12-04 03:07:33 PM  

A Fark Handle: Dogfacedgod: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

You're a farking moron.

Look at Alabama schedule v. ND's and then proceed to nearest glory whole friendly truck stop and get your ass to work, jawbone.

you know florida only has one lost and a tough schedule. and look at margin of victory for bama. and really none of this matters because it will settle in miami unless we all get lucky and global warming washes away both teams in a massive flood.


If only we could somehow make it possible that the entire squad of USC would be there as well, the college football landscape could be rid of its overhyped teams
 
2012-12-04 03:08:22 PM  

mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.


funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list
 
2012-12-04 03:09:17 PM  
F it, SEC you win. You are the best, by far better than all others. Because of this the rest of the NCAA should stop playing your teams and have our own championship. While you all circle jerk each other and in the end your top two teams can play each other for The World Champions Of Redneck Good Ol Southern Boy Chicken and Waffles Trophy.
 
2012-12-04 03:09:43 PM  
I am fine with Notre Dame being ranked anywhere from first to fifth. I farking hate them, but I think I can be unbiased long enough to make a case for all five spots.
 
2012-12-04 03:10:04 PM  

IAmRight: basemetal: Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.

I commend Vandy's coach, Franklin, for basically making that his ballot. Might as well go all in on the bullsh*t until you're not allowed to anymore. IIRC his ballot was actually SEC SEC SEC Notre Dame Oregon SEC SEC SEC


My question is what was stopping him from marking all 14 SEC colleges in the top 14. If you're going to be a total bullshiatting homer, might as well go all the way with it.
 
2012-12-04 03:11:20 PM  

mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.


i never said they were ducking. they just had the bad luck that the teams they scheduled pretty much all had down years. i mean michigan state is garbage. miami used to be somebody. hell byu has been better. same with michigan. and pitt, purdue, and boston college all are usually better then the flaming pile of shiats they were this year. i'm just saying they got lucky with their opponents having down years and lucky on the field. margin of victory is informative. also, i don't know why people are so defensive when folks say maybe the domers aren't the best team in the land. people can have different opinions. we don't all have to agree that being undefeated is the only metric that matters. after all isn't that how byu won a national title? and what about tulane?
 
2012-12-04 03:12:34 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list



Maybe Notre Dame should have run the gauntlet of Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Missouri.
 
2012-12-04 03:12:49 PM  
Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas
 
2012-12-04 03:14:00 PM  

A Fark Handle: purdue


You're hurting your own argument with that one considering they needed some South Bend cooking to lock that one down in the last two minutes.
 
2012-12-04 03:14:56 PM  

Gosling: My question is what was stopping him from marking all 14 SEC colleges in the top 14. If you're going to be a total bullshiatting homer, might as well go all the way with it.


That's a little too bold to expect of anyone. I also liked that Todd Graham managed to put ASU in the top 25.
 
2012-12-04 03:15:47 PM  

coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas


THANK GOD HE'S GONE!! Enjoy him Arkantucky and his crap tastic time management.
 
2012-12-04 03:16:17 PM  

rcf1105: ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list

Maybe Notre Dame should have run the gauntlet of Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Missouri.


hey, don't knock georgia's schedule like that.

/and you forgot poland ole miss
 
2012-12-04 03:17:34 PM  

mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.


I'll give you that, but Wake, Navy, Pitt, etc. are jokes. It's not ND's fault that Michigan State, Michigan and USC are really having down years, and Standford and Oklahoma were good wins. But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.
 
2012-12-04 03:18:52 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: A Fark Handle: purdue

You're hurting your own argument with that one considering they needed some South Bend cooking to lock that one down in the last two minutes.


i must not have been clear (it happens), i was arguing that notre dame might not be the best team and pointed out that their schedule was crap (purdue included) and they need a lot of close wins (and calls) to go undefeated.
 
2012-12-04 03:21:07 PM  

coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas


This is bad news... For Purdue.

Seriously, any top coach in the Midwest just had a better opportunity open up.
 
2012-12-04 03:21:56 PM  

eagles95: coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas

THANK GOD HE'S GONE!! Enjoy him Arkantucky and his crap tastic time management.


Last week's story was that they were trying to lure Les Miles away from LSU, so obviously clock management wasn't one of the criteria they were using on their coaching search.

Also, what's up with "Arkantucky"? Isn't "Arkansas" stigma enough on its own?

/Actually like Arkansas and Kentucky. Have had good times both places.
 
2012-12-04 03:23:02 PM  

Nabb1: But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.


Goddamn Louisiana-Lafayette choking the game away. That was going to be the funniest moment of the season.
 
2012-12-04 03:23:55 PM  

A Fark Handle: rcf1105: ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list

Maybe Notre Dame should have run the gauntlet of Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Missouri.

hey, don't knock georgia's schedule like that.

/and you forgot poland ole miss


Burn.
 
2012-12-04 03:25:44 PM  

p the boiler: Seriously, any top coach in the Midwest just had a better opportunity open up.


Kinda leads to a dilemma: would you rather be an SEC coach... or would you rather be the non-SEC coach who makes the SEC STFU? Which brings more glory?
 
2012-12-04 03:26:43 PM  
There are two types of sports, ones with playoffs and ones that are popularity contests, like figure skating, or college football.
 
2012-12-04 03:26:59 PM  
Are those the same coaches who saw #1 Alabama lose to #15 Texas A&M, then dropped Alabama to #5...with Georgia at #4?

The coaches who went on to see Alabama stun powerhouse West Carolina 49-0, while Georgia won 45-14 over Georgia South...then voted Alabama ABOVE Georgia in the following poll?

Was West Carolina that much better than Georgia South that they had no choice but have the Crimson Tide jump over the Bulldogs?

Notre Dame defeated every ranked them they played (#8 Michigan, #10 Michigan St, #17 Stanford & #8 Oklahoma), while Alabama defeated the same Michigan team, #11 Mississippi State, #5 LSU and #3 Georgia...but LOST to #15 Texas A&M.

Alabama would have an advantage over Notre Dame in the rankings with that record...except for that pesky loss AT HOME.
 
2012-12-04 03:28:01 PM  
This only proves that the polls are bullshiat to begin with anyways.
 
2012-12-04 03:28:22 PM  

A Fark Handle: funk_soul_bubby: A Fark Handle: purdue

You're hurting your own argument with that one considering they needed some South Bend cooking to lock that one down in the last two minutes.

i must not have been clear (it happens), i was arguing that notre dame might not be the best team and pointed out that their schedule was crap (purdue included) and they need a lot of close wins (and calls) to go undefeated.


My bad, I got posts confused. I am sometimes blinded by mind-numbing hatred of Notre Dame.
 
2012-12-04 03:29:25 PM  
That's one of the biggest jokes of a ballot I've ever seen. It's almost like the guy ran out of teams near the end and started plugging in random names.

Example: #14, Boise State. Played nobody of consequence (and the only half-good team they played they lost to), lost at home to San Diego State, "signature win" a thrilling 7-6 win over 7-5 BYU. GOT-DAMN THAT IS A TOP 15 SQUAD
#15, Northwestern. Played three good teams and lost to them all. Oh but they beat Vanderbilt, an SEC! team.
#21, Mississippi State. Anybody claiming that this guy is nothing more than an SEC homer has to shut up at this point. MSU's out-of-conference foes included Jackson State, Troy, South Alabama, and the Stevie Wonder School for the Blind. They lost four of their last five games. Oh, did I mention they played in the SEC!
#25, Cincinnati. Apparently a 9-3 record in the worst BCS conference in the land, studded with two wins over FCS teams and a loss to MAC also-ran Toledo gets you in the rankings. I can't even figure this one out....they didn't even beat an SEC team or anything.
 
2012-12-04 03:30:03 PM  

p the boiler: This is bad news... For Purdue.

Seriously, any top coach in the Midwest just had a better opportunity open up


Purdue seems to have taken the same tactic Illinois did last year. Try for one established guy, fail, then hire a cheap MAC coach.

I bet Dave Doeren wishes he hadn't taken the NC State job now.
 
2012-12-04 03:30:18 PM  
But the Regular Season COUNTS!

Unless the team I want to be #1 isn't, then it's shiatty scheduling, not even quality points (read: Garbage Time piling on), etc. etc. etc.
 
2012-12-04 03:30:26 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Notre Dame defeated every ranked them they played (#8 Michigan, #10 Michigan St, #17 Stanford & #8 Oklahoma), while Alabama defeated the same Michigan team, #11 Mississippi State, #5 LSU and #3 Georgia...but LOST to #15 Texas A&M.


the rankings from when a team played a team are farking worthless particularly if the game is early in the season. saying #10 michigan state or #11 mississippi state is idiotic.
 
2012-12-04 03:32:54 PM  
My top ten
1. Boise State
2.Boise State
3.Boise State
4.Boise State
5.Boise State
6.Boise State
7.Boise State
8.Idaho
9.Boise State
10.Boise State

/There may be sarcasm here...
 
2012-12-04 03:33:43 PM  
I should also mention--Mississippi State and Cincinnati received ZERO votes between them in the AP poll. ZERO.
 
2012-12-04 03:34:51 PM  

A Fark Handle: funk_soul_bubby: A Fark Handle: purdue

You're hurting your own argument with that one considering they needed some South Bend cooking to lock that one down in the last two minutes.

i must not have been clear (it happens), i was arguing that notre dame might not be the best team and pointed out that their schedule was crap (purdue included) and they need a lot of close wins (and calls) to go undefeated.


I think Florida probably had the toughest schedule of the good half of the SEC (didn't look at the bad half; I could look at Kentucky's schedule, but why would I?), but their one loss was to Georgia who probably had the softest schedule of the good SEC teams and lost to the only other two good teams they played. I don't know what that means, really, just that this whole schedule analysis thing can send you spiraling down a deep dark hole.

/A&M had a pretty tough schedule too, but I'll give FL the OOC edge with FSU
//Although A&M did have to play in the boiling cauldron that is Gerald J Ford stadium...
 
2012-12-04 03:35:47 PM  

Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.

I'll give you that, but Wake, Navy, Pitt, etc. are jokes. It's not ND's fault that Michigan State, Michigan and USC are really having down years, and Standford and Oklahoma were good wins. But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.


Florida who played Bowling Green, Louisiana Lafayette, and Jacksonville State out of conference?

Not to mention the juggernauts of Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee in conference?

Everybody has tough games and easy games.
 
2012-12-04 03:37:47 PM  

GQueue: p the boiler: This is bad news... For Purdue.

Seriously, any top coach in the Midwest just had a better opportunity open up

Purdue seems to have taken the same tactic Illinois did last year. Try for one established guy, fail, then hire a cheap MAC coach.

I bet Dave Doeren wishes he hadn't taken the NC State job now.


Supposedly he's reached out to Barry Alvarez about the Wisconsin opening, but those are just rumors and unconfirmed at this point.
 
2012-12-04 03:39:52 PM  
A&M would beat the Irish. Alabama by +10
 
2012-12-04 03:40:10 PM  
Looks like it's Bret Bielema going to Arkansas.
 
2012-12-04 03:40:26 PM  

A Fark Handle: Dogfacedgod: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

You're a farking moron.

Look at Alabama schedule v. ND's and then proceed to nearest glory whole friendly truck stop and get your ass to work, jawbone.

you know florida only has one lost and a tough schedule. and look at margin of victory for bama. and really none of this matters because it will settle in miami unless we all get lucky and global warming washes away both teams in a massive flood.


Hey, Alabama beat Florida Atlantic by 33 points!
 
2012-12-04 03:42:40 PM  
*yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...
 
2012-12-04 03:43:44 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Everybody has tough games and easy games.


KU was everybody's easy game and they were also able to make South Dakota State their tough game...
 
2012-12-04 03:46:37 PM  

johnnyq: eagles95: coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas

THANK GOD HE'S GONE!! Enjoy him Arkantucky and his crap tastic time management.

Last week's story was that they were trying to lure Les Miles away from LSU, so obviously clock management wasn't one of the criteria they were using on their coaching search.

Also, what's up with "Arkantucky"? Isn't "Arkansas" stigma enough on its own?

/Actually like Arkansas and Kentucky. Have had good times both places.


I'm sure they are nice. But he will never get to a BCS game in the SEC period.
 
2012-12-04 03:47:43 PM  

Gosling: Looks like it's Bret Bielema going to Arkansas.


Thanks for confirming my earlier post. Who are you, ESPN?

/kidding
 
2012-12-04 03:47:43 PM  

Ponzholio: mitchcumstein1: Everybody has tough games and easy games.

KU was everybody's easy game and they were also able to make South Dakota State their tough game...


My love of Kansas may have tinted my vision, but I saw glimpses this year. I have hope that they can at least get back to being respectable.

But then again, I'm also a Royals and Chiefs fan, so...yeah.
 
2012-12-04 03:48:08 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.

I'll give you that, but Wake, Navy, Pitt, etc. are jokes. It's not ND's fault that Michigan State, Michigan and USC are really having down years, and Standford and Oklahoma were good wins. But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.

Florida who played Bowling Green, Louisiana Lafayette, and Jacksonville State out of conference?

Not to mention the juggernauts of Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee in conference?

Everybody has tough games and easy games.


Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.
 
2012-12-04 03:48:33 PM  

basemetal: Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.


Yeah, that way we can turn the TV over to college basketball or the NFL at the end of the season. I am already down to watching exactly one college bowl game a year now.
 
2012-12-04 03:49:20 PM  

eagles95: johnnyq: eagles95: coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas

THANK GOD HE'S GONE!! Enjoy him Arkantucky and his crap tastic time management.

Last week's story was that they were trying to lure Les Miles away from LSU, so obviously clock management wasn't one of the criteria they were using on their coaching search.

Also, what's up with "Arkantucky"? Isn't "Arkansas" stigma enough on its own?

/Actually like Arkansas and Kentucky. Have had good times both places.

I'm sure they are nice. But he will never get to a BCS game in the SEC period.


I'm bummed because I always thought he looked like a Badger so was a good fit for Wisconsin
 
2012-12-04 03:50:46 PM  
Its just a damn shame that Pitt's kicker sucks balls. He had 2 good chances to beat the Irish, and then we would have evenly matched teams in the Championship game

Bama would pull its QB and D in the 4th Quarter if it played Pitt
 
2012-12-04 03:50:48 PM  

Rent Party: A Fark Handle: Dogfacedgod: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

You're a farking moron.

Look at Alabama schedule v. ND's and then proceed to nearest glory whole friendly truck stop and get your ass to work, jawbone.

you know florida only has one lost and a tough schedule. and look at margin of victory for bama. and really none of this matters because it will settle in miami unless we all get lucky and global warming washes away both teams in a massive flood.

Hey, Alabama beat Florida Atlantic by 33 points!


notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.

/you know who else beat michigan?
//godwin in football?
 
2012-12-04 03:51:38 PM  

Nabb1: Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.


Careful now, you sound like a Florida fan.
 
2012-12-04 03:52:05 PM  
Conference expansion is all about having more homer votes go your way.
 
2012-12-04 03:52:48 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Nabb1: Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.

Careful now, you sound like a Florida fan.


YOU TAKE THAT BACK.
 
2012-12-04 03:53:14 PM  

Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...


large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.
 
2012-12-04 03:53:50 PM  
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2012-12-04 03:54:00 PM  

A Fark Handle: notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.


Yep, and Alabama beat TAMU by -5.
 
2012-12-04 03:55:20 PM  
Look, I hate ND as much as the next guy, but there isn't a major conference member school in the nation that wouldn't be ranked #1 if:

1. There were no other major conference member schools that were also unbeated
2. That schools schedule was at least somewhat respectable.

KU damn near made a national championship (or at least a Big 12 title game) in 2007 just because they were fortunate enough to duck Texas and OU in the same year. Schedules are weird, shiat happens. If you want to argue that ND isn't as good as their record/the media says they are, fine, but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning.
 
2012-12-04 03:56:58 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: eagles95: johnnyq: eagles95: coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas

THANK GOD HE'S GONE!! Enjoy him Arkantucky and his crap tastic time management.

Last week's story was that they were trying to lure Les Miles away from LSU, so obviously clock management wasn't one of the criteria they were using on their coaching search.

Also, what's up with "Arkantucky"? Isn't "Arkansas" stigma enough on its own?

/Actually like Arkansas and Kentucky. Have had good times both places.

I'm sure they are nice. But he will never get to a BCS game in the SEC period.

I'm bummed because I always thought he looked like a Badger so was a good fit for Wisconsin


true....but they need someone better at recruiting skill positions and FARKING CLOCK MANAGEMENT
//cant wait to lose another rose bowl
 
2012-12-04 03:57:55 PM  

The Third Man: A Fark Handle: notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.

Yep, and Alabama beat TAMU by -5.


A&M would beat ND by 15.

A&M had a big advantage playing Bama the week after they played LSU
 
2012-12-04 03:59:57 PM  

Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.

I'll give you that, but Wake, Navy, Pitt, etc. are jokes. It's not ND's fault that Michigan State, Michigan and USC are really having down years, and Standford and Oklahoma were good wins. But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.

Florida who played Bowling Green, Louisiana Lafayette, and Jacksonville State out of conference?

Not to mention the juggernauts of Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee in conference?

Everybody has tough games and easy games.

Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.


Absolutely they did, but that's sort of luck of the draw really. Notre Dame's schedule was legit if you ask me. They scheduled 5 teams that you can reasonably assume to be very good year after year. They scheduled some middle of the road teams, and they scheduled some patsies. Just like every other team. In another season this could have been an absolutely brutal schedule.
 
2012-12-04 04:01:30 PM  

jayhawk88: Look, I hate ND as much as the next guy, but there isn't a major conference member school in the nation that wouldn't be ranked #1 if:

1. There were no other major conference member schools that were also unbeated
2. That schools schedule was at least somewhat respectable.

KU damn near made a national championship (or at least a Big 12 title game) in 2007 just because they were fortunate enough to duck Texas and OU in the same year. Schedules are weird, shiat happens. If you want to argue that ND isn't as good as their record/the media says they are, fine, but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning.


What about Ohio St?

If they were allowed to play in this year's postseason it would probably be Ohio St vs ND.

/I think I threw up in my mouth
//Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,
 
2012-12-04 04:01:36 PM  

jayhawk88: but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning


if the only metric you use for your rankings is number of losses then you're right that it would be pants on head tarded to not have notre dame at number one. however, not everyone thinks that's the only metric that can be considered.
 
2012-12-04 04:04:38 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list


Of course not. SEC teams don't like leaving the Southeast to play football games.
 
2012-12-04 04:04:48 PM  
The Gators would love to kick OSU's ass again. Maybe next year.
 
2012-12-04 04:05:11 PM  

A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.


So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?
 
2012-12-04 04:06:31 PM  

IAmRight: basemetal: Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.

I commend Vandy's coach, Franklin, for basically making that his ballot. Might as well go all in on the bullsh*t until you're not allowed to anymore. IIRC his ballot was actually SEC SEC SEC Notre Dame Oregon SEC SEC SEC


His ballot was more reflective over the perceived slight the SEC champ game loser gets, personally its not a big deal since UGA gets some of the money anyways but I understand why they would be pissy.

sab6300: //Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,


Youre just being as SEC HOMER!
 
2012-12-04 04:08:15 PM  

sab6300: The Third Man: A Fark Handle: notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.

Yep, and Alabama beat TAMU by -5.

A&M would beat ND by 15.

A&M had a big advantage playing Bama the week after they played LSU


Alabama should have beaten TAMU. They should have beaten Georgia by more than they did. How come Bama gets the benefit of the doubts? Alabama this year gets the benefit of more circular reasoning than anybody. "Alabama is a great team, because they beat so many SEC foes like Mississippi State, which is a great team because it was 7-0 and have tough teams on their schedule (none of whom they had played at the time). I mean you can't just walk into the SEC and beat a team like Alabama. There's no way a team can come over from the Big XII and beat Alabama on their home turf. The fact that that happened means other forces must have been at work, like bad scheduling or something."
 
2012-12-04 04:08:24 PM  

Incog_Neeto: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.

So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?


I've heard many Saints fans complain about that game, but not as an argument to do away with playoffs. (Besides, Atlanta was the #1 seed in the NFC that year at 13-3, which would have left the 12-4 Saints out. If anything, I think that calls for a more sensible seeding where home field goes to the team with the better record, as they do in the NBA and NHL.)
 
2012-12-04 04:09:09 PM  
I eagerly await the thread for Arkansas hiring Bielema. Fark's Badger fans will be in rare form tonight
 
2012-12-04 04:12:39 PM  
Hey, Fightin' Irish supporters! If you're miffed about haters dissing your program, why don't you call them and harass them until they kill themself, the same way that girl who claimed she was assaulted by an ND player killed herself after being harassed?

Oh, and that unnamed player will be playing for a national championship!
 
2012-12-04 04:13:58 PM  

Nabb1: I've heard many Saints fans complain about that game, but not as an argument to do away with playoffs. (Besides, Atlanta was the #1 seed in the NFC that year at 13-3, which would have left the 12-4 Saints out. If anything, I think that calls for a more sensible seeding where home field goes to the team with the better record, as they do in the NBA and NHL.)


Yeah I thought they got screwed having to go to seattle that year, but that was the end of my sympathy for them
 
2012-12-04 04:14:08 PM  

Nabb1: Incog_Neeto: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.

So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?

I've heard many Saints fans complain about that game, but not as an argument to do away with playoffs. (Besides, Atlanta was the #1 seed in the NFC that year at 13-3, which would have left the 12-4 Saints out. If anything, I think that calls for a more sensible seeding where home field goes to the team with the better record, as they do in the NBA and NHL.)


If you do that in football then the divisions become pointless.
 
2012-12-04 04:23:46 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: Nabb1: Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.

Careful now, you sound like a Florida fan.


I've got a friend who's a Florida homer, and might in fact be the biggest homer for any single sports team I have ever met in my life (you don't even want to see what that was like in the Tebow era, it was bad enough with Danny Wuerffel), and even he acknowledges that the Gators have no business coming anywhere near the national championship this year.
 
2012-12-04 04:24:57 PM  

sab6300: What about Ohio St?

If they were allowed to play in this year's postseason it would probably be Ohio St vs ND.

/I think I threw up in my mouth
//Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,


99 out of a 100? You sure. I vaguely remember tOSU beating Miami when folks were saying they had no chance. I also remember folks, like you, saying that Florida had no chance when they played tOSU the first time. The reason you play the game is because shiat happens.

TheDumbBlonde: The Gators would love to kick OSU's ass again. Maybe next year.


One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.
 
2012-12-04 04:28:08 PM  

xtragrind: One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.


Urban Meyer left Florida long before Jim Tressel got his ass in a sling with the NCAA. That's just nonsense to say that Meyer left Florida for the chance to coach at Ohio State. If Tressel hadn't got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he'd probably still be there.
 
2012-12-04 04:28:31 PM  

xtragrind: sab6300: What about Ohio St?

If they were allowed to play in this year's postseason it would probably be Ohio St vs ND.

/I think I threw up in my mouth
//Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,

99 out of a 100? You sure. I vaguely remember tOSU beating Miami when folks were saying they had no chance. I also remember folks, like you, saying that Florida had no chance when they played tOSU the first time. The reason you play the game is because shiat happens.

TheDumbBlonde: The Gators would love to kick OSU's ass again. Maybe next year.

One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.


No one is shedding tears in Gainesville. I promise you that.
 
2012-12-04 04:40:35 PM  
If Franklin had been paying attention, he'd have left any independents off the ballot. Conference champions only in the championship game, thank you.
 
2012-12-04 04:41:43 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: [cdn.bleacherreport.net image 650x440]

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Bielema decided he did want to be like the SEC, so much so that he decided to coach in the SEC.
 
2012-12-04 04:49:00 PM  

coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas


Good. Fark that loser. Did he ever even win a Bowl Game for Wisconsin?

/too lazy to look it up
 
2012-12-04 04:49:02 PM  

p the boiler: F it, SEC you win. You are the best, by far better than all others. Because of this the rest of the NCAA should stop playing your teams and have our own championship. While you all circle jerk each other and in the end your top two teams can play each other for The World Champions Of Redneck Good Ol Southern Boy Chicken and Waffles Trophy.


HEY! There's no need to be insulting. Chicken and waffles are farking amazing.
 
2012-12-04 04:51:11 PM  
Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.
 
2012-12-04 05:02:39 PM  

IAmRight: That's a little too bold to expect of anyone. I also liked that Todd Graham managed to put ASU in the top 25.


Well...they did beat Arizona, who was ranked #24/25. So I see the reasoning there. And though I'm a homer, I think they should be around #35 or so.
 
2012-12-04 05:07:30 PM  

PowerSlacker: ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list

Of course not. SEC teams don't like leaving the Southeast to play football games.


When most teams sell their stadiums out whether they play Oregon or Directional Indiana/Illinois/etc., why would they schedule a home and home when they can make the same amount of money for a guaranteed win? Don't get me wrong, I hate the set-up, but it makes sense.
 
2012-12-04 05:08:04 PM  
Hey Subby...You do realize college football coaches have better things to do than watch games of other college teams, right? College coaches shouldn't have a vote because they don't know Shat about teams they don't play. Many Farkers could probably do a more realisitic ranking than any college football coach could do.
 
2012-12-04 05:18:51 PM  
If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.
 
2012-12-04 05:32:04 PM  
Good riddance to Bret. Anyone with an Iowa Hawkeye tat can't be trusted.

I say we go after Notre Dame's DC. Worked great for us last time.
 
2012-12-04 05:32:56 PM  

oh_please: If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.


Did they practice injuring Colt McCoy?
 
2012-12-04 05:33:42 PM  

Incog_Neeto: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.

So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?


neither. i couldn't care less about the nfl. i just think it's silly that sports fans want to put so much weight and importance on a tournament a few wins rather than the larger body of work. worse yet sports fans actually often use failure in a playoff as a knock against a great team (team x sucks because they couldn't win in the "clutch," etc. counter point: they don't farking suck they won so many farking game!). when the cards win 85 games then win the world series, why should i ignore what they failed to do in the 162 games? why are the 14-5ish giants declared "better" than the 18-1 pats when the season series is tied 1-1 and even on aggregate at 45-45? i find our willingness to accept that playoffs design to make money have become the american gold standard for determining the best team strange and perhaps stupid. especially since luck does influence so many sporting events. but i'm just a cranky old man.
 
2012-12-04 05:35:33 PM  

Doogled: Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.


nerds hate other nerds!
 
2012-12-04 05:41:49 PM  
malzahn back to auburn? crazy...
 
2012-12-04 05:45:10 PM  

oh_please: If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.


Only having 3 1/2 weeks to prepare for Utah must have been the problem, then.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:54 PM  
Notre Dame is +10 in a friggin championship game. This isnt a prediction of the final score-this is the market saying, if you want Alabama, you are going to pay for it.
This, above all else, shows just how inferior a team ND is compared to Bama.

Now it is only one game, and anything can happen, but the fact that this line has increased from 7.5 to 10 tells me alot.

Of course if you disagree, and you see ND as a very undervalued commodity, you're getting a bargain. Good luck.
 
2012-12-04 06:28:32 PM  

torr5962: Notre Dame is +10 in a friggin championship game. This isnt a prediction of the final score-this is the market saying, if you want Alabama, you are going to pay for it.
This, above all else, shows just how inferior a team ND is compared to Bama.

Now it is only one game, and anything can happen, but the fact that this line has increased from 7.5 to 10 tells me alot.

Of course if you disagree, and you see ND as a very undervalued commodity, you're getting a bargain. Good luck.


Vegas casinos don't just build themselves. The public is wrong as usual.
 
2012-12-04 06:59:27 PM  
For now, I think everyone should just thank the football gods that Stanford lost that Notre Dame game. Flip that game, and we've got 6 11-1 teams, and a BCS fusterclark of epic proportions.
 
2012-12-04 06:59:59 PM  
If the coaches were actually paying attention, they wouldn't rank them in the top 25 at all. I mean, they're a nice story as a BCS-buster. But they can't honestly compete with Alabama.
 
2012-12-04 07:00:22 PM  

PowerSlacker: torr5962: Notre Dame is +10 in a friggin championship game. This isnt a prediction of the final score-this is the market saying, if you want Alabama, you are going to pay for it.
This, above all else, shows just how inferior a team ND is compared to Bama.

Now it is only one game, and anything can happen, but the fact that this line has increased from 7.5 to 10 tells me alot.

Of course if you disagree, and you see ND as a very undervalued commodity, you're getting a bargain. Good luck.

Vegas casinos don't just build themselves. The public is wrong as usual.


but it's not vegas vs public. it's 50% of the public vs 50% of the public. vegas doesn't give a fark. it just wants half the action on each side of the line and they'll get rich off the vig. it's a great business model when it works. sure there's some sharps' money involved, but with two such public teams i'm guessing the line is being moved by public money.
 
2012-12-04 07:03:47 PM  
He's not wrong.
 
2012-12-04 07:05:00 PM  
Mark my words - Alabama's setting the NCAA single-game scoring record against ND in the title game.
 
2012-12-04 07:05:36 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: My top 10 just for the hell of it:

1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Georgia
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M
6. Florida
7. LSU
8. Kansas State
9. Stanford
10.Florida State

(South Carolina would have been 10 but with the injury to Lattimore they dropped)


Alright, this is very late but how do you have Texas Ass To Mouth ahead of Florida? Florida beat them...in front of the 12th man.
 
2012-12-04 07:20:33 PM  

ducklord666: For now, I think everyone should just thank the football gods that Stanford lost that Notre Dame game. Flip that game, and we've got 6 11-1 teams, and a BCS fusterclark of epic proportions.


Are you kidding me? I was praying for that.

Fark the football gods. They have denied me my dream!
 
2012-12-04 07:23:36 PM  

PluckYew: ModernPrimitive01: My top 10 just for the hell of it:

1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Georgia
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M
6. Florida
7. LSU
8. Kansas State
9. Stanford
10.Florida State

(South Carolina would have been 10 but with the injury to Lattimore they dropped)

Alright, this is very late but how do you have Texas Ass To Mouth ahead of Florida? Florida beat them...in front of the 12th man.


Ass To Mouth. Heh.
 
2012-12-04 07:27:30 PM  
 
2012-12-04 07:34:00 PM  

Doogled: Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.


You mean the Stanford team that LOST to UW?  You can blame the ND loss on officiating but what is your excuse for that one?
 
2012-12-04 07:38:06 PM  

PluckYew: Alright, this is very late but how do you have Texas Ass To Mouth ahead of Florida? Florida beat them...in front of the 12th man.


A very valid point, and I don't necessarily care, but that was the very first game of the season, and I think it's fair to say that Texas A&M was one of the most improved teams of this season.

That's the kind of thing you're going to get until they actually settle it on the field with several of the top teams involved.

Just for fun, someone should go back and tell us what teams, say, the past dozen Super Bowls would have likely featured if the NFL ran on an antiquated polling system as college football does.
 
2012-12-04 07:38:42 PM  

Rent Party: ducklord666: For now, I think everyone should just thank the football gods that Stanford lost that Notre Dame game. Flip that game, and we've got 6 11-1 teams, and a BCS fusterclark of epic proportions.

Are you kidding me? I was praying for that.

Fark the football gods. They have denied me my dream!


Eh, that probably wouldn't have been too hard to figure out.

Oregon and Notre Dame are both out since they lost to Stanford.
K-State is out because Baylor.

That leaves Bama as the clear #1 against either Florida or Stanford...so basically a repeat of last year except that Bama and Florida wouldn't have played already.

Now, choosing a fourth team between Oregon, Notre Dame, and K-State would be something else.
 
2012-12-04 07:39:38 PM  
Yes SEC, you are the absolute best conference in the history of college football.

Vanderbilt would win every single game in the Big 12. Kentucky would mercy everyone in the Pac 12 before the end of the first half. Auburn would score 100 points vs every big 10 school.

Truth is SEC you schedule cup cakes every year early. With 10 teams unbeaten you have a massive surge into the top 25 and many in the top 10. With 4-5 teams that run into the end of the season with 1 or 2 loses your conference remains in the top 10.

As far as bowl games, two of the national championships are played in your area. Phoenix and Pasadena requires major travel for both teams outside of the Pac 12. Only in 2010 did an SEC team not win on a neutral or home field. The daily blow jobs you get from the major markets gets really old.

Everyone knows that you cheat in recruiting. I am well aware that this is butt hurt but you have to acknowledge that is is suspicious that the best paid coaches also get the best recruiting classes. When the hammer comes down on your teams it will be painful. Congrats so far, I cannot wait to watch your titles begin to be stripped.
 
2012-12-04 07:40:31 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, LSU is self-reporting a secondary violation...for their media guide being two pages too long.


It was 30 pages too long but Tyrone Mathieu smoked 28 of them.

/LSU fan
 
2012-12-04 07:42:34 PM  

PluckYew: Doogled: Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.

You mean the Stanford team that LOST to UW?  You can blame the ND loss on officiating but what is your excuse for that one?


That the Huskies are an up and down team that tends to play to the level of it's competition?
 
2012-12-04 07:46:04 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, LSU is self-reporting a secondary violation...for their media guide being two pages too long.


On the one hand, that's kinda ridiculous for that to be a violation.

On the other hand, you don't need 210 f*cking pages for a media guide.
 
2012-12-04 07:46:14 PM  

great_tigers: Yes SEC, you are the absolute best conference in the history of college football.

Vanderbilt would win every single game in the Big 12. Kentucky would mercy everyone in the Pac 12 before the end of the first half. Auburn would score 100 points vs every big 10 school.

Truth is SEC you schedule cup cakes every year early. With 10 teams unbeaten you have a massive surge into the top 25 and many in the top 10. With 4-5 teams that run into the end of the season with 1 or 2 loses your conference remains in the top 10.

As far as bowl games, two of the national championships are played in your area. Phoenix and Pasadena requires major travel for both teams outside of the Pac 12. Only in 2010 did an SEC team not win on a neutral or home field. The daily blow jobs you get from the major markets gets really old.

Everyone knows that you cheat in recruiting. I am well aware that this is butt hurt but you have to acknowledge that is is suspicious that the best paid coaches also get the best recruiting classes. When the hammer comes down on your teams it will be painful. Congrats so far, I cannot wait to watch your titles begin to be stripped.


You sound bitter.
 
2012-12-04 07:53:41 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: great_tigers: Yes SEC, you are the absolute best conference in the history of college football.

Vanderbilt would win every single game in the Big 12. Kentucky would mercy everyone in the Pac 12 before the end of the first half. Auburn would score 100 points vs every big 10 school.

Truth is SEC you schedule cup cakes every year early. With 10 teams unbeaten you have a massive surge into the top 25 and many in the top 10. With 4-5 teams that run into the end of the season with 1 or 2 loses your conference remains in the top 10.

As far as bowl games, two of the national championships are played in your area. Phoenix and Pasadena requires major travel for both teams outside of the Pac 12. Only in 2010 did an SEC team not win on a neutral or home field. The daily blow jobs you get from the major markets gets really old.

Everyone knows that you cheat in recruiting. I am well aware that this is butt hurt but you have to acknowledge that is is suspicious that the best paid coaches also get the best recruiting classes. When the hammer comes down on your teams it will be painful. Congrats so far, I cannot wait to watch your titles begin to be stripped.

You sound bitter.


Also...not one of the BCS venues are SEC "home fields" and I'll suggest both Phoenix and Pasadena require "major travel" outside the SEC as well. As far as NOLA and Miami are concerned...It's not our fault you live in an ice bound hell-hole. How many bowl games take place in Detroit?
 
2012-12-04 07:54:26 PM  

Misplaced yat: oh_please: If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.

Only having 3 1/2 weeks to prepare for Utah must have been the problem, then.


Actually, that was a cornerstone...the Tide went in with a "we don't give a fark" attitude, and got EMBARASSED. After that, two NCs in 3 years, and looking at a third.
 
2012-12-04 07:58:37 PM  

IAmRight: UNC_Samurai: Meanwhile, LSU is self-reporting a secondary violation...for their media guide being two pages too long.

On the one hand, that's kinda ridiculous for that to be a violation.

On the other hand, you don't need 210 f*cking pages for a media guide.


The NCAA's established punishment is you have to cut your guide two pages short for every page that violates, so next year's guide can only be 204 pages.

And what I find hilarious is apparently the size limit is equally the fault of SEC football and ACC basketball.
 
2012-12-04 08:01:58 PM  
Am I the only one who thinks we get waaaay too worked up over trying to figure out who is #1?
 
2012-12-04 08:01:59 PM  

great_tigers: Truth is SEC you schedule cup cakes every year early. With 10 teams unbeaten you have a massive surge into the top 25 and many in the top 10. With 4-5 teams that run into the end of the season with 1 or 2 loses your conference remains in the top 10.


Really? Did you actually look at this year's schedule?

Alabama - Michigan, @Arkansas (both rated top 10 going into the season)
Arkansas - Alabama, Rutgers (Big East Co-Champ)
Auburn - Clemson, LSU
Florida - @TAMU
Georgia - Nobody
Kentucky - @Louisville (Big East Co-Champ), @Florida
LSU - Washington (that one's iffy)
Ole Miss - Texas
MS State - Nobody
Mizzou - Georgia, @USCe
USCe - Nobody
Tennessee - Florida
TAMU - Florida
Vandy - USCe, @Georgia

So 11 of the 14 teams have at least one good game within the first four weeks of the season and 6 of them have at least two. Compare that to the epic struggle of the Big XII, whose marquee early game was...?

Kansas State @ Oklahoma

That's it. That's the only game the Big XII played in the first four weeks in which the opposing team finished better than 7-5.
 
2012-12-04 08:04:42 PM  

Rent Party: PluckYew: Doogled: Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.

You mean the Stanford team that LOST to UW?  You can blame the ND loss on officiating but what is your excuse for that one?

That the Huskies are an up and down team that tends to play to the level of it's competition?


Speaking as a fan of a WSU team that went 2-9 up until a victorious Apple Cup against those same Huskies, I can at least agree with this statement.
 
2012-12-04 08:08:34 PM  

great_tigers: Everyone knows that you cheat in recruiting. I am well aware that this is butt hurt but you have to acknowledge that is is suspicious that the best paid coaches also get the best recruiting classes. When the hammer comes down on your teams it will be painful. Congrats so far, I cannot wait to watch your titles begin to be stripped.



That's not butt hurt, that's a ruptured vagina.
 
2012-12-04 08:13:21 PM  

rugman11: great_tigers: Truth is SEC you schedule cup cakes every year early. With 10 teams unbeaten you have a massive surge into the top 25 and many in the top 10. With 4-5 teams that run into the end of the season with 1 or 2 loses your conference remains in the top 10.

Really? Did you actually look at this year's schedule?

Alabama -
Arkansas - Rutgers (Big East Co-Champ)
Auburn -
Florida -
Georgia - Nobody
Kentucky - @Louisville (Big East Co-Champ),
LSU - Washington (that one's iffy)
Ole Miss - Texas
MS State - Nobody
Mizzou -
USCe - Nobody
Tennessee -
TAMU -
Vandy -

So 11 of the 14 teams have at least one good game within the first four weeks of the season and 6 of them have at least two. Compare that to the epic struggle of the Big XII, whose marquee early game was...?

.


When you take out the games against other SEC teams and an extremely overrated Michigan team, I am saying that as a huge Michigan fan.

Rutgers beat Arkansas, Kentucky got destroyed by Louisville, Texas MURDERED Ole Miss. Being the champion of the Big East is nothing to boast about. Look what West Virginia did this year in the Big 12.

So your entire wins of value are Alabama over Michigan and LSU over Washington. Two just outside of the top 25 teams. Everything else was in conference (which is neutral) cupcakes or losses.
 
2012-12-04 08:17:42 PM  

Russ Feingold's Brass Balls: Rent Party: PluckYew: Doogled: Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.

You mean the Stanford team that LOST to UW?  You can blame the ND loss on officiating but what is your excuse for that one?

That the Huskies are an up and down team that tends to play to the level of it's competition?

Speaking as a fan of a WSU team that went 2-9 up until a victorious Apple Cup against those same Huskies, I can at least agree with this statement.


Speaking as a UW Husky fan, I can at least say FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

/ Farking Apple Cup's ass...
 
2012-12-04 08:19:43 PM  
Name SEC's best non conference win.
 
2012-12-04 08:23:42 PM  

great_tigers: Name SEC's best non conference win.


Florida over FSU and GA over Tech.
 
2012-12-04 08:24:09 PM  

Pincy: Am I the only one who thinks we get waaaay too worked up over trying to figure out who is #1?


all i know is, whenever somebody mentions the SEC everybody gets butthurt

it's like dropping "PC" in a video game console thread, you won't escape alive
 
2012-12-04 08:24:54 PM  

great_tigers: Name SEC's best non conference win.


Alabama over Notre Dame, obviously.
 
2012-12-04 08:30:12 PM  

great_tigers: Name SEC's best non conference win.


Florida over Florida State. Name any conference with a better such win. Oh wait, you can't, since the only team ranked higher than Florida State in the final BCS standings with a non-conference loss is Oklahoma, who lost to Notre Dame. The next best non-conference wins are Iowa over Northern Illinois and UCLA over Nebraska.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:37 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: great_tigers: Name SEC's best non conference win.

Alabama over Notre Dame, obviously.


Obviously. 'Bama is currently favored by 8 to 9.
 
2012-12-04 08:42:33 PM  

great_tigers: .

When you take out the games against other SEC teams and an extremely overrated Michigan team, I am saying that as a huge Michigan fan.

Rutgers beat Arkansas, Kentucky got destroyed by Louisville, Texas MURDERED Ole Miss. Being the champion of the Big East is nothing to boast about. Look what West Virginia did this year in the Big 12.

So your entire wins of value are Alabama over Michigan and LSU over Washington. Two just outside of the top 25 teams. Everything else was in conference (which is neutral) cupcakes or losses.


But that's not what you argued. You said that the SEC piles up undefeated teams by scheduling cupcakes at the beginning of the year in order to manipulate the rankings. By scheduling conference games in the first several weeks, the SEC specifically pits its teams against each other, thus causing early season losses that they wouldn't normally have otherwise. TAMU, Mizzou, and Tennessee all would have been undefeated going into week five had they not been forced to play Florida, USCe, and Georgia in the first four weeks. Compare that to the Big XII, which had 8 out of 10 teams undefeated after four weeks, none of whom had played a better team than Arizona or Miami. They were the ones "manipulating" the early season rankings by beating up on cupcakes.

And you can see that in the rankings. In the Week Five AP Poll, the SEC had six teams in the poll. Five of those teams would end up winning 10+ games (the other was Mississippi State and TAMU was left out). On the other hand, of the five Big XII teams in the AP poll, two (WVU and TCU) would end up 7-5 while Texas would end up 8-4.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:46 PM  
 
2012-12-04 09:04:03 PM  

jmadisonbiii: KiwDaWabbit: great_tigers: Name SEC's best non conference win.

Alabama over Notre Dame, obviously.

Obviously. 'Bama is currently favored by 8 to 9.


Bama's not favored by enough. The line should be like 60.
 
2012-12-04 10:23:07 PM  
He's just like a Vandy fan....jumping on the bandwagon for those teams above his own school.
 
2012-12-04 10:37:54 PM  

great_tigers: Yes SEC, you are the absolute best conference in the history of college football.


Nice troll but you did it too late
 
2012-12-04 10:54:00 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.

funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list


Because SEC teams play a crappy OOC schedule and won't play anyone aside from D2/FCS.
 
2012-12-04 10:58:42 PM  

yeegrek: Because SEC teams play a crappy OOC schedule and won't play anyone aside from D2/FCS.


SEC Teams will play big name teams from other conferences. Hell, Alabama played Michigan. Notre Dame, however, wont play big name teams and will face weak teams like Michigan.
 
2012-12-04 11:01:45 PM  
That's not how it works, retard... I don't care if you are "comfortable" with it or not.

I thought people at Vandy were supposed to be smart...
 
2012-12-04 11:10:37 PM  

Kuta: Conference expansion is all about having more homer votes go your waywider geographical area and capturing major markets for TV viewing.

FTFY


A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser respected teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample sizeoutplaying the competition in real games rathers than polls.

FTFY

Personally, I want to see a 16 team playoff. 8-10 AQ teams (best conference winners based on record or ranking if you don't take all conference winners) and 6-8 at large. The 4-team playoff is going to be just as bad as the 2-team BCS championship. An 8-team playoff would be dominated completely by 4 conferences (SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12). A 16-team playoff gives room for conference champs and at-large teams. But it won't happen until someone comes up with a decent proposal for turning existing bowl games into a playoff system. It would be great to watch bowl games and think that they mean something other than which team cared more, partied less, got into less trouble, and made it back before curfew the night before the game.
 
2012-12-04 11:12:07 PM  

Aar1012: yeegrek: Because SEC teams play a crappy OOC schedule and won't play anyone aside from D2/FCS.

SEC Teams will play big name teams from other conferences. Hell, Alabama played Michigan. Notre Dame, however, wont play big name teams and will face weak teams like Michigan.


Stanford and Oklahoma aren't big name?
 
2012-12-04 11:13:17 PM  

Pockafrusta: I thought people at Vandy were supposed to be smart...


a) just because mommy and daddy have money doesn't make folks at vandy smart
b) he's the football coach, he only needs to be football smart.
c) only idiots that thing that 12 binary outcomes are the only metric that matter would be solely slaves to won/loss record

/won/loss record offer doesn't apply to non-bcs or non-domer schools
 
2012-12-04 11:14:50 PM  

PluckYew: ModernPrimitive01: My top 10 just for the hell of it:

1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Georgia
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M
6. Florida
7. LSU
8. Kansas State
9. Stanford
10.Florida State

(South Carolina would have been 10 but with the injury to Lattimore they dropped)

Alright, this is very late but how do you have Texas Ass To Mouth ahead of Florida? Florida beat them...in front of the 12th man.


How the Fark have I never heard of that Aggie insult. That's just greatness right there
 
2012-12-04 11:18:58 PM  

BoxOfBees: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser respected teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample sizeoutplaying the competition in real games rathers than polls. FTFY

Personally, I want to see a 16 team playoff. 8-10 AQ teams (best conference winners based on record or ranking if you don't take all conference winners) and 6-8 at large. The 4-team playoff is going to be just as bad as the 2-team BCS championship. An 8-team playoff would be dominated completely by 4 conferences (SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12). A 16-team playoff gives room for conference champs and at-large teams. But it won't happen until someone comes up with a decent proposal for turning existing bowl games into a playoff system. It would be great to watch bowl games and think that they mean something other than which team cared more, partied less, got into less trouble, and made it back before curfew the night before the game.


no, a playoff allow luck/fortune to have more of an influence in a tiny sample size. next you'll tell me there's no luck in sports, nothing is random, etc. turns out randomness is real. 16 teams is way too farking big. just because the professional sports in american are full on money whores doesn't mean college football has to be more of money whore than it is.

/also, if you're going to a playoff please tell the worthless money whore bowl games to go fark themselves.
 
2012-12-04 11:54:28 PM  

yeegrek: Aar1012: yeegrek: Because SEC teams play a crappy OOC schedule and won't play anyone aside from D2/FCS.

SEC Teams will play big name teams from other conferences. Hell, Alabama played Michigan. Notre Dame, however, wont play big name teams and will face weak teams like Michigan.

Stanford and Oklahoma aren't big name?


WOOSH!
 
2012-12-05 12:47:18 AM  

BoxOfBees: Kuta: Conference expansion is all about having more homer votes go your waywider geographical area and capturing major markets for TV viewing.
FTFY


A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser respected teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample sizeoutplaying the competition in real games rathers than polls. FTFY

Personally, I want to see a 16 team playoff. 8-10 AQ teams (best conference winners based on record or ranking if you don't take all conference winners) and 6-8 at large. The 4-team playoff is going to be just as bad as the 2-team BCS championship. An 8-team playoff would be dominated completely by 4 conferences (SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-12). A 16-team playoff gives room for conference champs and at-large teams. But it won't happen until someone comes up with a decent proposal for turning existing bowl games into a playoff system. It would be great to watch bowl games and think that they mean something other than which team cared more, partied less, got into less trouble, and made it back before curfew the night before the game.


Have a single 8-team tournament for the national championship (or even 16 if you like), but also hold other 4-team NITs. Oh, and eligibility starts with 8 wins over Div-IA teams.
 
2012-12-05 01:25:19 AM  
Are people sill arguing over Notre Dame's schedule? Really? I shouldn't have to keep posting this.

Liquorslingr: For all of you saying Notre Dame didn't play anyone and the SEC would dominate because of the strength of wins, I give you this from Pat Forde:

Best opponent played: Notre Dame hosted Stanford (eighth in Sagarin), Alabama hosted Texas A&M (seventh), Georgia played Florida (fourth) at a neutral site. The Irish and Bulldogs both won close games. The Crimson Tide lost at home. Most impressive of the three: Georgia.

Second-best opponent: Notre Dame visited Oklahoma (ninth). Alabama visited LSU (11th). Georgia visited South Carolina (10th). The Irish won by 17 points, the Tide won by four in the final minute, the Bulldogs lost by four touchdowns. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.

Third-best opponent: Notre Dame played USC (16th) on the road, never trailed and won by nine. Alabama played Michigan (20th) at a neutral site, never trailed and won by 27. Georgia hosted Vanderbilt (29th) and won by 45. Most impressive of the three: Alabama.

Fourth-best opponent: Notre Dame played Michigan (20th) at home and won by a touchdown. Alabama played Mississippi (33rd) on the road and won by 19. Georgia hosted Mississippi (33rd) and won by 27. All three won. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.

Fifth-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted BYU (37th) and won by three. Alabama hosted Mississippi State (36th) and won by 31. Georgia visited Missouri (43rd) and won by 21. All three won. Most impressive of the three: Alabama.

Sixth-best opponent: Notre Dame visited Michigan State (39th) and won by 17. Alabama visited Missouri (43rd) and won by 32. Georgia visited Tennessee (54th) and won by seven. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.

Seventh-best opponent: Notre Dame played Miami (52nd) on a neutral field and won by 38. Alabama visited Tennessee (54th) and won by 31. Georgia hosted Georgia Tech (63rd) and won by 32. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.

Eighth-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted Purdue (62nd) and won by three. Alabama visited Arkansas (65th) and won by 49. Georgia visited Auburn (84th) and won by 38. Most impressive of the three: Alabama.

Ninth-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted Pittsburgh (66th) and won by three in triple overtime. Alabama hosted Western Kentucky (82nd) and won by 35. Georgia visited Kentucky (92nd) and won by five. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.

Tenth-best opponent: Notre Dame played Navy (73rd) at a neutral site and won by 40. Alabama hosted Auburn (84th) and won by 49. Georgia hosted Georgia Southern (99th) and won by 31. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.

Eleventh-best opponent: Notre Dame hosted Wake Forest (113th) and won by 38. Alabama hosted Florida Atlantic (127th) and won by 33. Georgia hosted Florida Atlantic (127th) and won by 36. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.
Worst opponent: Notre Dame visited Boston College (121st) and won by 15. Alabama hosted Western Carolina (204th) and won by 49. Georgia hosted Buffalo (135th) and won by 22. Most impressive of the three: Notre Dame.

Eight times out of 12, the Irish have had the most impressive performance when assessing comparable opponents. Notre Dame is 2-0 against the Sagarin top 10, whereas Alabama is 0-1 and Georgia is 1-1. Notre Dame is 4-0 against the Sagarin top 20, whereas Alabama is 2-1 and Georgia is 1-1.

tl;dr - Notre Dame's strength of victory stacks up with anyone in the country



/No horse in this race
//Tarheel fan
 
2012-12-05 02:34:32 AM  

RINO: /No horse in this race
//Tarheel fan


My biggest problem lately is sagarins ratings, how does OU have the 5 hardest SOS in the nation? There is no way their schedule was 5th in the nation, cant wait for them to play atm and get smacked, the big 12 was horrible this year, OU got beat bad by the only decent team they played OOC...........ND.

I still think satan will win but I will be praying for ND to pull off a miracle.
 
2012-12-05 03:56:41 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: Also...not one of the BCS venues are SEC "home fields" and I'll suggest both Phoenix and Pasadena require "major travel" outside the SEC as well. As far as NOLA and Miami are concerned...It's not our fault you live in an ice bound hell-hole. How many bowl games take place in Detroit?


It's not our fault you live in a kudzu-choked hellhole either.
 
2012-12-05 08:57:48 AM  

RINO: Are people sill arguing over Notre Dame's schedule? Really? I shouldn't have to keep posting this.

Liquorslingr: For all of you saying Notre Dame didn't play anyone and the SEC would dominate because of the strength of wins, I give you this from Pat Forde:

[snip wall of text]


Let me preface this by saying I think Notre Dame's schedule is perfectly fine and that they are completely deserving of being #1. That said,

I have a lot of quibbles with Forde's list. To me that looks more like Alabama 5, Notre Dame 3, Georgia 1, 3 Draws. Still, I wonder how interested you'd be in rerunning that list today. Spoiler Alert: It comes out 9-3 or 9-2-1 for Bama.
 
2012-12-05 09:51:11 AM  
It's going to be way awesome when Notre Dame beats Bama and the SEC (and ESPN) claim that since Alabama really wasn't as good as they thought, Oregon should be ranked #1.
 
2012-12-05 10:06:59 AM  

A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.


THIS.
 
2012-12-05 10:50:17 AM  
I know that I'm in the minority here but I honestly think that wins and losses are the most important component, then followed by strength of schedule. Everything else is moot. I don't care if a team had to make a miraculous last-second hail mary throw to setup for a two point conversion to tie and then win in extra-extra-extra-extra over time. A win is a win.

To me, it should be:
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Oregon
Florida
Kansas State
Northern Illinois
Then the 2 loss schools, etc.

Michigan at 8-4 over a bunch of 10-2 teams is a travesty, even if the four losses were to teams with a combined 4 losses.
 
2012-12-05 11:41:49 AM  

meanmutton: I know that I'm in the minority here but I honestly think that wins and losses are the most important component, then followed by strength of schedule. Everything else is moot. I don't care if a team had to make a miraculous last-second hail mary throw to setup for a two point conversion to tie and then win in extra-extra-extra-extra over time. A win is a win.

To me, it should be:
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Alabama
Oregon
Florida
Kansas State
Northern Illinois
Then the 2 loss schools, etc.

Michigan at 8-4 over a bunch of 10-2 teams is a travesty, even if the four losses were to teams with a combined 4 losses.


That might work in a league with fewer teams, more parity, and more equity in scheduling, like the professional leagues. But in a league like FBS, with 124 teams all playing radically different schedules, it's impossible to gauge how good a team is based on wins and losses alone. Do you really think Northern Illinois is a better team than LSU, whose only two losses came to the second and third best teams in the nation? Or Oklahoma, whose only two losses came to the best and sixth best teams in the country? Northern Illinois lost to Iowa, the 11th best team in the B1G. Their best win came against Kent State, a marginal Top 25 team who lost to Kentucky, the worst team in the SEC. You can't honestly say that if Northern Illinois had to play the same schedule as the two-loss teams they'd still be 12-1.
 
2012-12-05 11:44:42 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: PluckYew: ModernPrimitive01: My top 10 just for the hell of it:

1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Georgia
4. Oregon
5. Texas A&M
6. Florida
7. LSU
8. Kansas State
9. Stanford
10.Florida State

(South Carolina would have been 10 but with the injury to Lattimore they dropped)

Alright, this is very late but how do you have Texas Ass To Mouth ahead of Florida? Florida beat them...in front of the 12th man.

How the Fark have I never heard of that Aggie insult. That's just greatness right there


I try to include it whenever talking about the true believers from College Station.
 
2012-12-05 11:47:51 AM  
(Full disclosure: I'm a Bama fan.)

Notre Dame's strength of schedule is impressive. They have scheduled, played, and beaten several big-name teams, like Michigan, Michigan State, Oklahoma, USC, and Stanford. True, USC and Michigan State had down years, but Michigan hasn't been dominant since 2007, and Oklahoma and Stanford had pretty good years. Strength of schedule is solid for Notre Dame, and the fact that they weren't expected to run the table - but did - is impressive.

When you take into consideration margin of victory, it gets a bit dicey. Notre Dame, as mentioned earlier in this thread, hasn't had very many dominant performances against quality opponents, save for Oklahoma, and they had several very close calls against teams they had no business losing to. The game against Pitt comes to mind; if Pitt has anything close to a kicker, they win.

Does a very poor margin of victory outweigh a strong schedule? That's up for debate, and I think that's half of the problem many have with Notre Dame being ranked at the top. I think the other half is the much-debated eye test. When push comes to shove, how many in the country really think Notre Dame is the best team in the country, irrespective of ranking or record?

I personally don't; I think Stanford is a better team (they lost to Notre Dame with Josh Nunes as the starter; my guess is that Kevin Hogan would've been the difference in that one.) I think Georgia is also a better team than Notre Dame, as is Oregon. Florida, it's debatable; I don't think they have a passer who can balance out their offence and threaten Notre Dame's strong run defense. I think a ND-Texas A&M game would be close, and I'd give that slight advantage to A&M. I do think Notre Dame is better than Kansas State and every other Big 12 team, and probably better than every team in the Big 10 and ACC. But still, with just some of those teams I named, Notre Dame would be number 5, and that's not counting LSU, either, who I think would beat Notre Dame if they played.

As far as the national championship is concerned, it is really, really hard to out-Bama Bama. Only one team in the Saban era has been able to do it, and that's LSU - a team Alabama beat this year (and should've beaten by more than the final score), should've beaten last year if not for stupid mistakes, and absolutely throttled this past January. Utah, Florida, Auburn, and Texas A&M are all spread teams, which is Bama's Achilles heel, and South Carolina in 2010 just played out of its mind for that one game.

Notre Dame is predicated on a strong running game on offense and a stout run-stopping defense. Their tempo isn't particularly fast, and they try to operate around time of possession and ball control. Sound familiar?

Plus, matchups generally favor Alabama:

ND OL and running game vs. Bama front seven on D: Bama
Bama OL and running game vs. ND front seven: Bama
Bama WRs vs. an unheralded ND secondary: Bama
Unheralded ND WRs vs. an inconsistent-yet-talented Bama secondary: Push at best for ND; slight Bama advantage.

McCarron for Bama is the nation's leader in pass efficiency. Interceptions are rare; two of the three he's thrown this year came at the goal line, one in a desperation fourth-down play against A&M. He has a rating of 122.6.

Golson has a rating of 88.3, with a completion rate of 58.9. He's thrown just 11 touchdowns versus 5 interceptions; McCarron is 26 and 3.

Oh, and the teams that beat Bama, other than LSU? They had QBs who could throw the ball. Georgia has a great QB in Murray who played a great game this past Saturday and still lost. Golson isn't someone anyone thinks of when they think of a QB who can tear up a secondary with his arm. And unless you're a solid, above-average passer, you don't often beat Alabama as a spread-oriented, run-first QB - just ask every QB for Auburn minus Cam Newton over the past few years, every QB for Florida minus Tim Tebow (and he only got the best of Bama for one year), Denard Robinson, Tyrod Taylor, and a host of others.

Notre Dame lives or dies on its ability to run the ball. Alabama lives or dies on its ability to stop the run. Alabama is really, really good at stopping the run, and few teams over the Nick Saban era have shown a capability of winning a game based on running against Alabama.

I think Notre Dame is a good team, one of the best this year. I just think Alabama is a really bad match for them. I think a game against Georgia would've been a better match. While I don't think it'd be a monumental upset if Notre Dame won, I don't expect them to.
 
2012-12-05 11:53:11 AM  

PsyLord: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

THIS.


Like, say, a blocked punt in the final minute to beat Louisiana-Lafayette.

/wait, I don't see ULL on Notre Dame's schedule...what sh*tty team almost lost to them?
 
2012-12-05 12:13:01 PM  

p the boiler: F it, SEC you win. You are the best, by far better than all others. Because of this the rest of the NCAA should stop playing your teams and have our own championship. While you all circle jerk each other and in the end your top two teams can play each other for The World Champions Of Redneck Good Ol Southern Boy Chicken and Waffles Trophy.


Maybe the lesser teams could pull out of Division I if they can't compete at that level of play. Their top two teams could play each other for the Milquetoast and Sugartit Trophy.
 
2012-12-05 12:32:56 PM  

IAmRight: PsyLord: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

THIS.

Like, say, a blocked punt in the final minute to beat Louisiana-Lafayette.

/wait, I don't see ULL on Notre Dame's schedule...what sh*tty team almost lost to them?


The triple overtime win against Pitt was pretty underwhelming against a mediocre (at best) team. Also their win against one of the worst teams (Boston College) was pretty sad. ND only scored 3 touchdowns (one touchdown for quarters 1-3) and didn't even score during the 4th quarter. And that is against a 2-9 team (at the time of the match up). I don't see this as a performance of a #1 team. Granted they weren't #1 at that time, however, the just didn't dominate as a #1 contender should've against one of the worst teams this year.
 
2012-12-05 01:09:47 PM  

meanmutton: Then the 2 loss schools, etc.


So you punish teams that have 2 losses only because they played in the conference championship game? And who beat the team you have ranked ahead? And who almost lost to a bad ACC champion?

I like Louisville's chances in the sugar bowl, thats if the coach stays through the game, if he leaves then they will most likely lose.

El Uno Magnifico: They had QBs who could throw the ball. Georgia has a great QB in Murray who played a great game this past Saturday and still lost.


If UGA had any kind of defensive line they would have won easily, bamas biggest plus is their O-Line, NDs D-line isnt bad but not much larger than UGAs so they will probably be able to run all day on them, if they can stop bama from running the ball then ND will win but if bama has 150+ yards rushing then ND losses.
 
2012-12-05 01:35:52 PM  
I hate Bama, but not nearly as much as I hate ND. Tide will roll the Domers.

/sad that we have to wait over a month to watch it.
 
2012-12-05 01:44:14 PM  

A Fark Handle: Incog_Neeto: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.

So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?

neither. i couldn't care less about the nfl. i just think it's silly that sports fans want to put so much weight and importance on a tournament a few wins rather than the larger body of work. worse yet sports fans actually often use failure in a playoff as a knock against a great team (team x sucks because they couldn't win in the "clutch," etc. counter point: they don't farking suck they won so many farking game!). when the cards win 85 games then win the world series, why should i ignore what they failed to do in the 162 games? why are the 14-5ish giants declared "better" than the 18-1 pats when the season series is tied 1-1 and even on aggregate at 45-45? i find our willingness to accept that playoffs design to make money have become the american gold standard for determining the best team strange and perhaps stupid. especially since luck does influence so many sporting events. but i'm just a cranky old man.



Yes, because the popularity contest of the BCS is so much better than just hashing things out on the field. Fark that playing the game bull-shiat.

The Pats knew it was a championship game. They played for the championship and lost. The Giants were the champions that season because they played well enough to get to the playoffs, and then won every game down the stretch. But you don't like it because their regular season wasn't pretty enough, which goes right back to the popularity contest stuff. You might be better off watching things like figure skating.
 
2012-12-05 02:37:02 PM  

chuggernaught: But you don't like it because their regular season wasn't pretty enough, which goes right back to the popularity contest stuff.


no it's not about being pretty enough it's about being better. in the pats example 0 losses vs 5 or so loses and a tie season series, who's farking better if you're betting your life on it. and why shouldn't the regular season matter? why should we disregard the LARGER sample size (16 vs 4 or 162 vs
 
2012-12-05 03:19:32 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: I think Notre Dame is a good team, one of the best this year. I just think Alabama is a really bad match for them.


As a Tide fan, I'd rather see us play Notre Dame than someone like Oregon. Like you said, it's a better matchup.
 
2012-12-05 06:01:58 PM  
A Fark Handle
but it's not vegas vs public. it's 50% of the public vs 50% of the public. vegas doesn't give a fark. it just wants half the action on each side of the line and they'll get rich off the vig. it's a great business model when it works. sure there's some sharps' money involved, but with two such public teams i'm guessing the line is being moved by public money.

Fark Handle is correct-Vegas is simply putting a "price" or odds on each game, reflective on what the market will bear. Some will see one team as undervalued and another will see the opposite. The pushes and pulls in the betting market help to fluctuate the odds but many times the line isnt only adjusted based on volume alone. It could be a handful of people forcing a change in the line.

Also-The vig itself on straight games only produces a small percentage of profit for the sports books (3-5% range). The true profit is in the parlay cards-on average 33% and higher (margin is higher as each additional team is added to the parlay card). Sports books survive on Parlay cards-but they need a high volume of players to offset any payouts (like the daily number).
 
2012-12-05 09:09:43 PM  

A Fark Handle: no it's not about being pretty enough it's about being better. in the pats example 0 losses vs 5 or so loses and a tie season series, who's farking better if you're betting your life on it. and why shouldn't the regular season matter? why should we disregard the LARGER sample size (16 vs 4 or 162 vs


I won't argue that the playoff system is perfect, and in fact the Giants' 2007 run was even more messed up than you describe. In the regular season, New York lost to New England, Green Bay, and Dallas twice. At 10-6, their record was worse than New England's (16-0), Green Bay's (13-3), and Dallas's (13-3). And they only made the postseason as a wildcard, having lost their division... to Dallas. You can probably guess what happened in the playoffs.

But W-L records aren't perfect either. To crown a champion from the regular season, you need either substantial scheduling balance (as in many soccer leagues) or a reliable way to correct for strength of schedule (like the BCS computers, and even then there's a disturbingly diverse selection of algorithms). Barring that, you're gonna need a postseason to settle things. The problem comes when wild cards -- that is, teams that weren't the best in their division and therefore couldn't be the best in the league -- are invited to the playoffs. Fix that problem and Giants-Patriots doesn't happen, and as a bonus LSU-Alabama doesn't happen either. But I guess that's why they're called "wild cards."
 
2012-12-06 02:26:44 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: But W-L records aren't perfect either. To crown a champion from the regular season, you need either substantial scheduling balance (as in many soccer leagues)


i completely agree w-l isn't perfect. hence why i'm fine with someone ranking bama or florida or oregon or kansas state or northern illnois (i kid. i kid) ahead of notre dame. i do like soccer style system because many leagues value both the regular season (the league table) and often also have a separate knockout tournament that is prestigious to win. it's a system that recognizes both accomplishments, unlike the american system that throws away the regular season.
 
2012-12-06 02:42:37 AM  

Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.

I'll give you that, but Wake, Navy, Pitt, etc. are jokes. It's not ND's fault that Michigan State, Michigan and USC are really having down years, and Standford and Oklahoma were good wins. But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.


Yeah and that squeaker against an FCS team really cemented Florida as a powerhouse.
 
2012-12-06 09:38:18 AM  

A Fark Handle: it's a system that recognizes both accomplishments, unlike the american system that throws away the regular season.


Agreed. The NHL at least has an award for the team with the most regular-season points...but everyone treats it as though they live in India and it's an "untouchable".
 
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