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2012-12-04 03:47:43 PM

Ponzholio: mitchcumstein1: Everybody has tough games and easy games.

KU was everybody's easy game and they were also able to make South Dakota State their tough game...


My love of Kansas may have tinted my vision, but I saw glimpses this year. I have hope that they can at least get back to being respectable.

But then again, I'm also a Royals and Chiefs fan, so...yeah.
 
2012-12-04 03:48:08 PM

mitchcumstein1: Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.

I'll give you that, but Wake, Navy, Pitt, etc. are jokes. It's not ND's fault that Michigan State, Michigan and USC are really having down years, and Standford and Oklahoma were good wins. But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.

Florida who played Bowling Green, Louisiana Lafayette, and Jacksonville State out of conference?

Not to mention the juggernauts of Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee in conference?

Everybody has tough games and easy games.


Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.
 
2012-12-04 03:48:33 PM

basemetal: Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.


Yeah, that way we can turn the TV over to college basketball or the NFL at the end of the season. I am already down to watching exactly one college bowl game a year now.
 
2012-12-04 03:49:20 PM

eagles95: johnnyq: eagles95: coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas

THANK GOD HE'S GONE!! Enjoy him Arkantucky and his crap tastic time management.

Last week's story was that they were trying to lure Les Miles away from LSU, so obviously clock management wasn't one of the criteria they were using on their coaching search.

Also, what's up with "Arkantucky"? Isn't "Arkansas" stigma enough on its own?

/Actually like Arkansas and Kentucky. Have had good times both places.

I'm sure they are nice. But he will never get to a BCS game in the SEC period.


I'm bummed because I always thought he looked like a Badger so was a good fit for Wisconsin
 
2012-12-04 03:50:46 PM
Its just a damn shame that Pitt's kicker sucks balls. He had 2 good chances to beat the Irish, and then we would have evenly matched teams in the Championship game

Bama would pull its QB and D in the 4th Quarter if it played Pitt
 
2012-12-04 03:50:48 PM

Rent Party: A Fark Handle: Dogfacedgod: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

You're a farking moron.

Look at Alabama schedule v. ND's and then proceed to nearest glory whole friendly truck stop and get your ass to work, jawbone.

you know florida only has one lost and a tough schedule. and look at margin of victory for bama. and really none of this matters because it will settle in miami unless we all get lucky and global warming washes away both teams in a massive flood.

Hey, Alabama beat Florida Atlantic by 33 points!


notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.

/you know who else beat michigan?
//godwin in football?
 
2012-12-04 03:51:38 PM

Nabb1: Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.


Careful now, you sound like a Florida fan.
 
2012-12-04 03:52:05 PM
Conference expansion is all about having more homer votes go your way.
 
2012-12-04 03:52:48 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Nabb1: Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.

Careful now, you sound like a Florida fan.


YOU TAKE THAT BACK.
 
2012-12-04 03:53:14 PM

Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...


large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.
 
2012-12-04 03:53:50 PM
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2012-12-04 03:54:00 PM

A Fark Handle: notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.


Yep, and Alabama beat TAMU by -5.
 
2012-12-04 03:55:20 PM
Look, I hate ND as much as the next guy, but there isn't a major conference member school in the nation that wouldn't be ranked #1 if:

1. There were no other major conference member schools that were also unbeated
2. That schools schedule was at least somewhat respectable.

KU damn near made a national championship (or at least a Big 12 title game) in 2007 just because they were fortunate enough to duck Texas and OU in the same year. Schedules are weird, shiat happens. If you want to argue that ND isn't as good as their record/the media says they are, fine, but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning.
 
2012-12-04 03:56:58 PM

ModernPrimitive01: eagles95: johnnyq: eagles95: coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas

THANK GOD HE'S GONE!! Enjoy him Arkantucky and his crap tastic time management.

Last week's story was that they were trying to lure Les Miles away from LSU, so obviously clock management wasn't one of the criteria they were using on their coaching search.

Also, what's up with "Arkantucky"? Isn't "Arkansas" stigma enough on its own?

/Actually like Arkansas and Kentucky. Have had good times both places.

I'm sure they are nice. But he will never get to a BCS game in the SEC period.

I'm bummed because I always thought he looked like a Badger so was a good fit for Wisconsin


true....but they need someone better at recruiting skill positions and FARKING CLOCK MANAGEMENT
//cant wait to lose another rose bowl
 
2012-12-04 03:57:55 PM

The Third Man: A Fark Handle: notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.

Yep, and Alabama beat TAMU by -5.


A&M would beat ND by 15.

A&M had a big advantage playing Bama the week after they played LSU
 
2012-12-04 03:59:57 PM

Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: Nabb1: mitchcumstein1: A Fark Handle: i'm ok with that. notre dame played a meh schedule and need semi-miracles to win some games against some really farking shiatty teams.

I don't even know if it's that meh. I think when you schedule Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma and USC you aren't really ducking anybody.

I'll give you that, but Wake, Navy, Pitt, etc. are jokes. It's not ND's fault that Michigan State, Michigan and USC are really having down years, and Standford and Oklahoma were good wins. But I think Florida had a much tougher schedule than that.

Florida who played Bowling Green, Louisiana Lafayette, and Jacksonville State out of conference?

Not to mention the juggernauts of Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee in conference?

Everybody has tough games and easy games.

Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.


Absolutely they did, but that's sort of luck of the draw really. Notre Dame's schedule was legit if you ask me. They scheduled 5 teams that you can reasonably assume to be very good year after year. They scheduled some middle of the road teams, and they scheduled some patsies. Just like every other team. In another season this could have been an absolutely brutal schedule.
 
2012-12-04 04:01:30 PM

jayhawk88: Look, I hate ND as much as the next guy, but there isn't a major conference member school in the nation that wouldn't be ranked #1 if:

1. There were no other major conference member schools that were also unbeated
2. That schools schedule was at least somewhat respectable.

KU damn near made a national championship (or at least a Big 12 title game) in 2007 just because they were fortunate enough to duck Texas and OU in the same year. Schedules are weird, shiat happens. If you want to argue that ND isn't as good as their record/the media says they are, fine, but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning.


What about Ohio St?

If they were allowed to play in this year's postseason it would probably be Ohio St vs ND.

/I think I threw up in my mouth
//Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,
 
2012-12-04 04:01:36 PM

jayhawk88: but to suggest they shouldn't be ranked #1 at this point is just stupid beyond reasoning


if the only metric you use for your rankings is number of losses then you're right that it would be pants on head tarded to not have notre dame at number one. however, not everyone thinks that's the only metric that can be considered.
 
2012-12-04 04:04:38 PM

ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list


Of course not. SEC teams don't like leaving the Southeast to play football games.
 
2012-12-04 04:04:48 PM
The Gators would love to kick OSU's ass again. Maybe next year.
 
2012-12-04 04:05:11 PM

A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.


So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?
 
2012-12-04 04:06:31 PM

IAmRight: basemetal: Meh, everyone knows that 1-10 belongs to the SEC and that the SEC should play each other in all of the BCS bowl games.

I commend Vandy's coach, Franklin, for basically making that his ballot. Might as well go all in on the bullsh*t until you're not allowed to anymore. IIRC his ballot was actually SEC SEC SEC Notre Dame Oregon SEC SEC SEC


His ballot was more reflective over the perceived slight the SEC champ game loser gets, personally its not a big deal since UGA gets some of the money anyways but I understand why they would be pissy.

sab6300: //Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,


Youre just being as SEC HOMER!
 
2012-12-04 04:08:15 PM

sab6300: The Third Man: A Fark Handle: notre dame beat purdue by 3, michigan by 7, stanford by 7 (in ot), byu by 3, and pitt by 3 (in ot). margin of victory is informative. i don't understand how people don't understand this.

Yep, and Alabama beat TAMU by -5.

A&M would beat ND by 15.

A&M had a big advantage playing Bama the week after they played LSU


Alabama should have beaten TAMU. They should have beaten Georgia by more than they did. How come Bama gets the benefit of the doubts? Alabama this year gets the benefit of more circular reasoning than anybody. "Alabama is a great team, because they beat so many SEC foes like Mississippi State, which is a great team because it was 7-0 and have tough teams on their schedule (none of whom they had played at the time). I mean you can't just walk into the SEC and beat a team like Alabama. There's no way a team can come over from the Big XII and beat Alabama on their home turf. The fact that that happened means other forces must have been at work, like bad scheduling or something."
 
2012-12-04 04:08:24 PM

Incog_Neeto: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.

So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?


I've heard many Saints fans complain about that game, but not as an argument to do away with playoffs. (Besides, Atlanta was the #1 seed in the NFC that year at 13-3, which would have left the 12-4 Saints out. If anything, I think that calls for a more sensible seeding where home field goes to the team with the better record, as they do in the NBA and NHL.)
 
2012-12-04 04:09:09 PM
I eagerly await the thread for Arkansas hiring Bielema. Fark's Badger fans will be in rare form tonight
 
2012-12-04 04:12:39 PM
Hey, Fightin' Irish supporters! If you're miffed about haters dissing your program, why don't you call them and harass them until they kill themself, the same way that girl who claimed she was assaulted by an ND player killed herself after being harassed?

Oh, and that unnamed player will be playing for a national championship!
 
2012-12-04 04:13:58 PM

Nabb1: I've heard many Saints fans complain about that game, but not as an argument to do away with playoffs. (Besides, Atlanta was the #1 seed in the NFC that year at 13-3, which would have left the 12-4 Saints out. If anything, I think that calls for a more sensible seeding where home field goes to the team with the better record, as they do in the NBA and NHL.)


Yeah I thought they got screwed having to go to seattle that year, but that was the end of my sympathy for them
 
2012-12-04 04:14:08 PM

Nabb1: Incog_Neeto: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.

So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?

I've heard many Saints fans complain about that game, but not as an argument to do away with playoffs. (Besides, Atlanta was the #1 seed in the NFC that year at 13-3, which would have left the 12-4 Saints out. If anything, I think that calls for a more sensible seeding where home field goes to the team with the better record, as they do in the NBA and NHL.)


If you do that in football then the divisions become pointless.
 
2012-12-04 04:23:46 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Nabb1: Sure, but Florida played four teams in the BCS top twelve to Notre Dame's two. Granted, Florida dropped one to Georgia. I'm not saying Notre Dame sucks and isn't even worthy of Northern Illinois's slot, but Florida, in my opinion, had a harder road to #3 than ND did to #1.

Careful now, you sound like a Florida fan.


I've got a friend who's a Florida homer, and might in fact be the biggest homer for any single sports team I have ever met in my life (you don't even want to see what that was like in the Tebow era, it was bad enough with Danny Wuerffel), and even he acknowledges that the Gators have no business coming anywhere near the national championship this year.
 
2012-12-04 04:24:57 PM

sab6300: What about Ohio St?

If they were allowed to play in this year's postseason it would probably be Ohio St vs ND.

/I think I threw up in my mouth
//Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,


99 out of a 100? You sure. I vaguely remember tOSU beating Miami when folks were saying they had no chance. I also remember folks, like you, saying that Florida had no chance when they played tOSU the first time. The reason you play the game is because shiat happens.

TheDumbBlonde: The Gators would love to kick OSU's ass again. Maybe next year.


One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.
 
2012-12-04 04:28:08 PM

xtragrind: One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.


Urban Meyer left Florida long before Jim Tressel got his ass in a sling with the NCAA. That's just nonsense to say that Meyer left Florida for the chance to coach at Ohio State. If Tressel hadn't got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he'd probably still be there.
 
2012-12-04 04:28:31 PM

xtragrind: sab6300: What about Ohio St?

If they were allowed to play in this year's postseason it would probably be Ohio St vs ND.

/I think I threw up in my mouth
//Both teams would lose 99 out of 100 times to LSU, FL, Bama, A&M, or Georgia,

99 out of a 100? You sure. I vaguely remember tOSU beating Miami when folks were saying they had no chance. I also remember folks, like you, saying that Florida had no chance when they played tOSU the first time. The reason you play the game is because shiat happens.

TheDumbBlonde: The Gators would love to kick OSU's ass again. Maybe next year.

One of your best coaches ever quit just to have the chance to coach at tOSU. Ouch.


No one is shedding tears in Gainesville. I promise you that.
 
2012-12-04 04:40:35 PM
If Franklin had been paying attention, he'd have left any independents off the ballot. Conference champions only in the championship game, thank you.
 
2012-12-04 04:41:43 PM

ModernPrimitive01: [cdn.bleacherreport.net image 650x440]

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Bielema decided he did want to be like the SEC, so much so that he decided to coach in the SEC.
 
2012-12-04 04:49:00 PM

coolio mack: Breaking news: Bret Bielema will be the next coach at Arkansas


Good. Fark that loser. Did he ever even win a Bowl Game for Wisconsin?

/too lazy to look it up
 
2012-12-04 04:49:02 PM

p the boiler: F it, SEC you win. You are the best, by far better than all others. Because of this the rest of the NCAA should stop playing your teams and have our own championship. While you all circle jerk each other and in the end your top two teams can play each other for The World Champions Of Redneck Good Ol Southern Boy Chicken and Waffles Trophy.


HEY! There's no need to be insulting. Chicken and waffles are farking amazing.
 
2012-12-04 04:51:11 PM
Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.
 
2012-12-04 05:02:39 PM

IAmRight: That's a little too bold to expect of anyone. I also liked that Todd Graham managed to put ASU in the top 25.


Well...they did beat Arizona, who was ranked #24/25. So I see the reasoning there. And though I'm a homer, I think they should be around #35 or so.
 
2012-12-04 05:07:30 PM

PowerSlacker: ModernPrimitive01: funny how there isn't any SEC schools on your list

Of course not. SEC teams don't like leaving the Southeast to play football games.


When most teams sell their stadiums out whether they play Oregon or Directional Indiana/Illinois/etc., why would they schedule a home and home when they can make the same amount of money for a guaranteed win? Don't get me wrong, I hate the set-up, but it makes sense.
 
2012-12-04 05:08:04 PM
Hey Subby...You do realize college football coaches have better things to do than watch games of other college teams, right? College coaches shouldn't have a vote because they don't know Shat about teams they don't play. Many Farkers could probably do a more realisitic ranking than any college football coach could do.
 
2012-12-04 05:18:51 PM
If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.
 
2012-12-04 05:32:04 PM
Good riddance to Bret. Anyone with an Iowa Hawkeye tat can't be trusted.

I say we go after Notre Dame's DC. Worked great for us last time.
 
2012-12-04 05:32:56 PM

oh_please: If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.


Did they practice injuring Colt McCoy?
 
2012-12-04 05:33:42 PM

Incog_Neeto: A Fark Handle: Tarl3k: *yawn* Let me know when there is at least an 8 team playoff for the NCAA Div I football championship...

large playoffs are farking tarded, only exist to make money, and allow lesser teams to win titles due to good luck/fortune in a tiny sample size.

So your still mad the Giants beat whoever your team was in the playoffs last year or are you a Saints fan still bitter about losing to the 7-9 Seahawks?


neither. i couldn't care less about the nfl. i just think it's silly that sports fans want to put so much weight and importance on a tournament a few wins rather than the larger body of work. worse yet sports fans actually often use failure in a playoff as a knock against a great team (team x sucks because they couldn't win in the "clutch," etc. counter point: they don't farking suck they won so many farking game!). when the cards win 85 games then win the world series, why should i ignore what they failed to do in the 162 games? why are the 14-5ish giants declared "better" than the 18-1 pats when the season series is tied 1-1 and even on aggregate at 45-45? i find our willingness to accept that playoffs design to make money have become the american gold standard for determining the best team strange and perhaps stupid. especially since luck does influence so many sporting events. but i'm just a cranky old man.
 
2012-12-04 05:35:33 PM

Doogled: Stanford ends the year winning 4 straight games against ranked opponents (including @Oregon) and still isn't in your top 10, Mr. Vanderbilt coach?! Yeah, OK.


nerds hate other nerds!
 
2012-12-04 05:41:49 PM
malzahn back to auburn? crazy...
 
2012-12-04 05:45:10 PM

oh_please: If Nick Saban has a month to prepare for your team, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.


Only having 3 1/2 weeks to prepare for Utah must have been the problem, then.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:54 PM
Notre Dame is +10 in a friggin championship game. This isnt a prediction of the final score-this is the market saying, if you want Alabama, you are going to pay for it.
This, above all else, shows just how inferior a team ND is compared to Bama.

Now it is only one game, and anything can happen, but the fact that this line has increased from 7.5 to 10 tells me alot.

Of course if you disagree, and you see ND as a very undervalued commodity, you're getting a bargain. Good luck.
 
2012-12-04 06:28:32 PM

torr5962: Notre Dame is +10 in a friggin championship game. This isnt a prediction of the final score-this is the market saying, if you want Alabama, you are going to pay for it.
This, above all else, shows just how inferior a team ND is compared to Bama.

Now it is only one game, and anything can happen, but the fact that this line has increased from 7.5 to 10 tells me alot.

Of course if you disagree, and you see ND as a very undervalued commodity, you're getting a bargain. Good luck.


Vegas casinos don't just build themselves. The public is wrong as usual.
 
2012-12-04 06:59:27 PM
For now, I think everyone should just thank the football gods that Stanford lost that Notre Dame game. Flip that game, and we've got 6 11-1 teams, and a BCS fusterclark of epic proportions.
 
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