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(The Daily)   Sam Mullet, the man behind the bizarre Amish beard-cutting spree, not adjusting to prison life so well   (thedaily.com) divider line 23
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2012-12-04 05:46:16 PM
6 votes:
The beard cutters were guilty of assault, but damn these ridiculous hate crime charges that have increased the sentence to ridiculous levels. I cannot stand hate crime legislation as the grounds for prosecuting it seem to keep getting broader and broader. The beard shaving deserves severe punishment, but life in prison? 17 years in prison? There are people who beat children to death who receive lighter sentences.
2012-12-04 05:23:14 PM
5 votes:
I bet those Amish guys are bad mofo's in prison. They worked with hand tools all their lives and made everything they own. They could probably make the best damned shiv ever seen in max-sec.
2012-12-04 06:24:11 PM
4 votes:

keytronic: The beard cutters were guilty of assault, but damn these ridiculous hate crime charges that have increased the sentence to ridiculous levels. I cannot stand hate crime legislation as the grounds for prosecuting it seem to keep getting broader and broader. The beard shaving deserves severe punishment, but life in prison? 17 years in prison? There are people who beat children to death who receive lighter sentences.


Missed that whole "beating husbands, sexually assaulting wives, imprisoning followers" part, eh? He's looking at a whole slew of charges, not just "beard cutting." And, yes, given that the "beard cutting" involved organizing multiple instances of illegal entry and assault on both men and women, using his followers as muscle and his interpretation of an already-strict religious extremism as justification, the "hate crime" add-ons are well justified.

Here's an experiment - pull "Amish", replace it with "Islamic", pull "beard cutting", replace it with "hair cutting", and let's see how thrilled you are about an Islamic leader whose followers broke into homes, held people down, and shaved the heads of women to humiliate them because they didn't agree with his belief system - the same leader that beat and imprisoned his male followers while sleeping with their wives as "counseling." Sounds like a hate crime there, doesn't it?

The religious sect shouldn't make a difference. Not one whit. An Amish thug is still a thug.
2012-12-04 05:36:03 PM
3 votes:

Shtetl G: Already he had stood up to a posse of tough guys in the cafeteria, befriended a feared murderer, protected a gay inmate and charmed the thugs and gang members in his cellblock by singing traditional Amish hymns after lights-out.

Subby might want to read the article. Mullet seems to be doing alright.


He's a genuine man of god. The inmates are going to respect that.
2012-12-04 05:27:02 PM
3 votes:
Already he had stood up to a posse of tough guys in the cafeteria, befriended a feared murderer, protected a gay inmate and charmed the thugs and gang members in his cellblock by singing traditional Amish hymns after lights-out.

Subby might want to read the article. Mullet seems to be doing alright.
2012-12-04 06:28:33 PM
2 votes:

keytronic: The beard cutters were guilty of assault, but damn these ridiculous hate crime charges that have increased the sentence to ridiculous levels. I cannot stand hate crime legislation as the grounds for prosecuting it seem to keep getting broader and broader. The beard shaving deserves severe punishment, but life in prison? 17 years in prison? There are people who beat children to death who receive lighter sentences.


Know how I know you don't know anything about the other hobbies this dick had? He would punish the men in his group by locking them in chicken coops for days while he farked their wives. If they didn't accept the punishment, he'd kick them out. This might not sound like a bad thing, but when you won't be taken in by other Amish groups and have little to no knowledge of the outside world, this is a terrifying concept.

Anyway, he sent his thugs out to terrorize another Amish clan. They busted in in the middle of the night, pinned down the men and women, and had cut their hair and beards with pruning shears in front of their kids. As bad as that would be for you or I, think how it would be for them? It's part of their faith to grow their hair and beards this way. This is on par with forcing an Islamist to eat pork.

While I agree that some hate-crime laws are out of control, I think it fits in this situation.
2012-12-04 05:37:02 PM
2 votes:
FTA: "We're not denying we cut hair. And I'm not saying it was right or wrong," he said. "But being here in jail - well, it looks wrong. Let's suppose that God has done this for a reason. Nobody realized when the guys went that it would be looked at this seriously. Nobody would have done anything if we knew it would become a serious case."
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"Because he had that control, he could separate husbands and wives, and with the husband's consent, he would take these married women into his home and he would be sexually intimate with them for what he called religious reasons," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Bridget Brennan at trial.

With his male followers, Mullet employed strange and harsh disciplinary techniques including paddlings and forced imprisonment for days at a time in an empty chicken coop - a period during which some of the men's wives might expect special hands-on attention from the bishop.


In other news, religious extremist surprised that multiple acts of illegal entry, assault, illegal imprisonment, and sexual assault would put him in prison, because his religious extremism somehow justified those acts.

Fark him. You're welcome to your belief system - but the second you think it's OK to harm others because of your belief system, well, you're on your way to a hate crime.
2012-12-05 05:55:12 AM
1 votes:
".. he wore a school-bus-yellow jumpsuit and orange denim jacket on the day of the interview - standard prison uniform. On his feet were black, Velcro-strapped sneakers."

sounds pretty DEVO to me, i like.
2012-12-05 02:12:34 AM
1 votes:
This isn't a lamb cast among wolves. He's a vicious but charismatic nut. Don't be surprised if he winds up leading his own cultish prison gang.

Darth_Lukecash: [www.shlomohsherman.com image 300x431]
Life sentence for cutting beards seems harsh. Still he's OG in the most traditional way.


Life is a possibility, but the prosecutor recommended a minimum of 17½ years. Moreover, had he taken the original plea offered, he would have served less than 5 years. His claim that he was compelled by his followers to reject the deal is absurd. This is a guy whom the remaining members followed unquestioningly; whatever he decided, they would have immediately accepted, and he knew that.
2012-12-05 01:25:35 AM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Diogenes: This guy and his followers did alot worse than just surprise haircuts.

Really? That's all they mentioned. What else did the do? Wear buttons?

There seems to be allegations of sexual harassment- but people were allowed to leave.


Maybe you missed the parts about farking his daughters and the wives of people in his congregation?
2012-12-04 08:49:11 PM
1 votes:

Ready-set: JusticeandIndependence: How does an Amish guy explain the hand truck, plastic lawn chair, baby stroller made of plastic, and custom boots he's wearing in the picture?

So welding is ok? How?
So factory built stuff is ok? How?

Some rules, just not all of them?

Like Christian Scientists wearing glasses. Will of god, my arse.

It's best not to look for reason in these groups.


Amish do not have hard and fast rules against technology. It's more of a general philosophy about trying to live a simple life free from outside influences. Many communities may ban phones in peoples houses but will have one communal phone available. They may use horses and buggies around town and a car for longer trips. There is no contradiction here and there's no need to try and mock or infantilize their culture and beliefs.
2012-12-04 07:49:12 PM
1 votes:
That was truly an interesting story.
2012-12-04 07:39:49 PM
1 votes:

ElBarto79: Darth_Lukecash: Diogenes: This guy and his followers did alot worse than just surprise haircuts.

Really? That's all they mentioned. What else did the do? Wear buttons?

There seems to be allegations of sexual harassment- but people were allowed to leave.

Did you even read the article? He was locking his male followers in a chicken coop for days on end and bringing their wives into his house for "sexual counseling" sessions. This is cult like behavior.


Was he charged with running a cult?

That's the problem here, he is being persecuted, not prosecuted. Violent crimes of intimidation to be sure, but life imprisonment is too much.
2012-12-04 07:25:52 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: JusticeandIndependence: This text is now purple: JusticeandIndependence: So welding is ok? How?

I suspect it's not electric-arc welding.

ok then how did the tanks get filled for oxy-fuel welding then?

You'd be amazed at the sorts of technological marvels that are possible without AC current.


DC baby! I'd rather do my welding without that god-awful high frequency AC whine.
2012-12-04 06:30:48 PM
1 votes:

Shtetl G: Already he had stood up to a posse of tough guys in the cafeteria, befriended a feared murderer, protected a gay inmate and charmed the thugs and gang members in his cellblock by singing traditional Amish hymns after lights-out.

Subby might want to read the article. Mullet seems to be doing alright.


This. If you have to be in prison, sounds like this guy is doing it right. If the article is right, nobody is effing with him.
2012-12-04 06:14:25 PM
1 votes:
FTA : he often uses "we" and "us," even when answering personal questions. Mullet's "we" sometimes means "I"...

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"The 'Royal We', you know?..."
2012-12-04 05:48:12 PM
1 votes:
Seems a bit harsh for a forced hair cut...
2012-12-04 05:37:44 PM
1 votes:

cgraves67: I bet those Amish guys are bad mofo's in prison. They worked with hand tools all their lives and made everything they own. They could probably make the best damned shiv ever seen in max-sec.


According to the article, OG (Old Gangsta) can stare even harden prisoners into backing down. Seems he's actually sorta of fitting in, even if he thinks perhaps he's landed on another planet.

I want to feel sorry for him, but at the same time if everything they say about him is true, he's pretty much a total mean ass bastard and perhaps karma caught up with him more than the law.
2012-12-04 05:29:51 PM
1 votes:
How does an Amish guy explain the hand truck, plastic lawn chair, baby stroller made of plastic, and custom boots he's wearing in the picture?

So welding is ok? How?
So factory built stuff is ok? How?

Some rules, just not all of them?
2012-12-04 04:30:38 PM
1 votes:
This guy and his followers did alot worse than just surprise haircuts.
2012-12-04 04:10:10 PM
1 votes:
www.shlomohsherman.com
Life sentence for cutting beards seems harsh. Still he's OG in the most traditional way.
2012-12-04 03:07:51 PM
1 votes:
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Of course, now that he's in prison -he may sample the best that prison life has to offer.
2012-12-04 02:39:33 PM
1 votes:
He'll have lots of time to Mullet over

/ba dum tish
 
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