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2012-12-04 05:45:54 PM

sprawl15: InmanRoshi: Can someone explain to me how this treaty would interfere with home schooling?

If your house doesn't have the Eurozone mandated accessibility requirements for the handicapped, you are violating international law to hold classes there even if your kids aren't handicapped and you are liable to be hauled up to the Hague for trial, bypassing your Constitutional protections.


snark like typing detected.
 
2012-12-04 05:46:17 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Grand_Moff_Joseph: kbronsito: Keep the stories coming please! Great stuff!

I second this emotion.

Had a good conversation with a woman who worked on the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. We signed that one at least. We were the last major country to sign it, but we signed it.


Fark him. We gets picks of the hot Palestinian representative, or we brings out the hot oil.
 
2012-12-04 05:46:36 PM
92myrtle, you forgot Dick Lugar.

So of the eight Republicans who voted in favor, four of them will no longer be Senators in a month and a half.
 
2012-12-04 05:48:09 PM

InmanRoshi: Can someone explain to me how this treaty would interfere with home schooling?

Usually I can point and laugh at the twisted logic in Derp, but in this case I can't even identify the supposed logic that's twisted.


It's simple: the treaty might encourage things like building ramps for wheelchair access, which involves physics, which is probably some of that satanic science.
 
2012-12-04 05:48:09 PM
I came here to say the disabled are part of the 47% moocher class.

/Didn't come to make sure nobody else did first.
 
2012-12-04 05:48:25 PM
Bob Dole and John McCain were for the ratification. And that was not enough for the Republicans. Wow.
 
2012-12-04 05:49:46 PM

CynicalLA: Mrbogey: 92myrtle: FWIW...here are the traitors who...

Labeling people who voted against your desires as traitors reveals a lot about you. Specifically why you should be ignored in serious discussions on govt.

That's funny coming from someone with no credibility. You are laughed out of most threads and still have the nerve to call other people out.


What's amusing is that 92myrtle was talking about the GOP traitors who voted for the treaty.
 
2012-12-04 05:50:53 PM

skullkrusher: CynicalLA: Mrbogey: 92myrtle: FWIW...here are the traitors who...

Labeling people who voted against your desires as traitors reveals a lot about you. Specifically why you should be ignored in serious discussions on govt.

That's funny coming from someone with no credibility. You are laughed out of most threads and still have the nerve to call other people out.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...
dummy calls the Republicans who voted for this treaty "traitors". Bogey says "that's dumb". You and Diogenes say "nu-uh you're dumb"?


You must have horrible memory.
 
2012-12-04 05:51:08 PM
What the fark is WRONG with these people. You vote against THIS??
 
2012-12-04 05:52:30 PM

Diogenes: Mrbogey: Labeling people who voted against your desires as traitors reveals a lot about you.

Something you surely have never done.

*rolls eyes*


I can't think of a single time I e used the word that didn't involve someone actually committing betrayal.

I try not to whip up eliminationist rhetoric.

Note all the silence over those who do from faux civil libertarians.
 
2012-12-04 05:56:06 PM

CynicalLA: skullkrusher: CynicalLA: Mrbogey: 92myrtle: FWIW...here are the traitors who...

Labeling people who voted against your desires as traitors reveals a lot about you. Specifically why you should be ignored in serious discussions on govt.

That's funny coming from someone with no credibility. You are laughed out of most threads and still have the nerve to call other people out.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...
dummy calls the Republicans who voted for this treaty "traitors". Bogey says "that's dumb". You and Diogenes say "nu-uh you're dumb"?

You must have horrible memory.


I don't need much of a memory at all to see an exchange in a thread and say "WTF?"
 
2012-12-04 05:56:46 PM

The Troof hurts: Princess


Yes, he would. But then would he turn around and deny bread to another after giving bread to the first? Would you kindly remind me what Jesus said about hypocrits?
 
2012-12-04 05:59:19 PM

skullkrusher: I don't need much of a memory at all to see an exchange in a thread and say "WTF?"


That's the same reaction I get when I come across any of your daily posts.
 
2012-12-04 06:00:06 PM

Shrugging Atlas: What the fark is WRONG with these people. You vote against THIS??


Hey, there's a Republican Senator right now! Let's ask

i159.photobucket.com

"Senator, could you explai - ...um...are you almost done?"
 
2012-12-04 06:00:17 PM
I'm late to this party and relatively certain no one will read this, but I have to ask: Who cares?

The U.S. is already one of the most progressive countries in the world when it comes to providing for the disabled. Here we have both the federal ADA, and most states have something roughly equivalent. The majority of other countries, even those we often consider to be more progressive or advanced than us, have no similar law.

Spend some time traveling with a disabled person in Europe, Asia, or the Middle East and you'll quickly see the differences. Sidewalks and doorways are not wide enough to accommodate a standard size wheelchair. Buildings that can only be accessed by stairs are everywhere. No one has a handicapped friendly public rest room (and if they did it probably wouldn't matter, since there's a decent chance it would be on another floor of the building that can only be reached by stairs).

We have laws that forbid discrimination in the work place and in public accommodations. We have laws that require reasonable accommodations in housing, education, and employment. In short, we already do all that the treaty would require and more. It would serve no purpose here, other than to make future changes to disability law more difficult to implement for fear of violating our treaty obligations.
 
2012-12-04 06:00:20 PM
I've lurked the fark politics tab for years. I love me some good ol' fashion political bullsh#ting. But this is seriously bothering me. WTF is wrong with republicans. This seems somewhere beyond derp, have they really lost their sh#t that bad. I need to drink the stupid away. Sigh.
 
2012-12-04 06:00:58 PM

Pincy: But in September, 36 Republican senators signed a letter saying they would not vote for any treaty during the lame duck,

This is all you need to know right here.


Oh, WELL then. They pledged not to do their jobs? My apologies! I'm sure that pledge has nothing to do with the fact in September they were still thinking they'd have a Majority in the Senate to work with come January. So they pledged to run out the clock and fark over a bunch of people in the process.

Fark those 38 cocksuckers.
 
2012-12-04 06:03:09 PM

CynicalLA: skullkrusher: I don't need much of a memory at all to see an exchange in a thread and say "WTF?"

That's the same reaction I get when I come across any of your daily posts.


You just white knighted for a guy who is saying that the Republicans who voted for this treaty are "traitors".
I knew you were an idiot. I just didn't know you were a Republican idiot. I'll make a note of it.
 
2012-12-04 06:03:41 PM

Talondel: I'm late to this party and relatively certain no one will read this, but I have to ask: Who cares?

The U.S. is already one of the most progressive countries in the world when it comes to providing for the disabled. Here we have both the federal ADA, and most states have something roughly equivalent. The majority of other countries, even those we often consider to be more progressive or advanced than us, have no similar law.

Spend some time traveling with a disabled person in Europe, Asia, or the Middle East and you'll quickly see the differences. Sidewalks and doorways are not wide enough to accommodate a standard size wheelchair. Buildings that can only be accessed by stairs are everywhere. No one has a handicapped friendly public rest room (and if they did it probably wouldn't matter, since there's a decent chance it would be on another floor of the building that can only be reached by stairs).




It appears that YOU care about the positive affect it might have for disabled American citizens who travel abroad.
 
2012-12-04 06:03:51 PM
Republicans are complete, utter scum. This should surprise nobody. If you vote Republican, you are an asshole, period. There are different CATEGORIES of asshole, sure (Rich asshole, fundamentalist asshole, bigoted asshole, just plain stupid asshole, etc.), and combinations thereof, but no matter which category you fall under, YOU. ARE. AN. ASSHOLE.
 
2012-12-04 06:04:02 PM

Talondel: I'm late to this party and relatively certain no one will read this, but I have to ask: Who cares?

The U.S. is already one of the most progressive countries in the world when it comes to providing for the disabled. Here we have both the federal ADA, and most states have something roughly equivalent. The majority of other countries, even those we often consider to be more progressive or advanced than us, have no similar law.

Spend some time traveling with a disabled person in Europe, Asia, or the Middle East and you'll quickly see the differences. Sidewalks and doorways are not wide enough to accommodate a standard size wheelchair. Buildings that can only be accessed by stairs are everywhere. No one has a handicapped friendly public rest room (and if they did it probably wouldn't matter, since there's a decent chance it would be on another floor of the building that can only be reached by stairs).

We have laws that forbid discrimination in the work place and in public accommodations. We have laws that require reasonable accommodations in housing, education, and employment. In short, we already do all that the treaty would require and more. It would serve no purpose here, other than to make future changes to disability law more difficult to implement for fear of violating our treaty obligations.


You don't get what the UN is all about, do you?
 
2012-12-04 06:05:11 PM

skullkrusher: You just white knighted for a guy who is saying that the Republicans who voted for this treaty are "traitors".
I knew you were an idiot. I just didn't know you were a Republican idiot. I'll make a note of it.


A lot ASSumptions right there. I wouldn't expect anymore from you and keep up the good work.
 
2012-12-04 06:05:49 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: For the record (and the dumpsters of history), here are your 38 elected senators who have a problem with equal treatment for disabled people. Notice what they all have in common with each other???

Nays - 38
Alexander (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)


They're all cowards who would rather run away from imaginary black helicopters than lead the world in human rights. Traitors to the American way, every one of them.
 
2012-12-04 06:05:50 PM

qorkfiend: You don't get what the UN is all about, do you?


westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 06:09:29 PM

Epicfarker: I've lurked the fark politics tab for years. I love me some good ol' fashion political bullsh#ting. But this is seriously bothering me. WTF is wrong with republicans. This seems somewhere beyond derp, have they really lost their sh#t that bad. I need to drink the stupid away. Sigh.


Remember the phrase "predictably retarded." It is the only succinct way to describe the GOP these days any more.
 
2012-12-04 06:09:36 PM

CynicalLA: skullkrusher: You just white knighted for a guy who is saying that the Republicans who voted for this treaty are "traitors".
I knew you were an idiot. I just didn't know you were a Republican idiot. I'll make a note of it.

A lot ASSumptions right there. I wouldn't expect anymore from you and keep up the good work.


no, no ASSumptions needed. It's right here in the thread. CapeFearCadaver also noticed.
 
2012-12-04 06:10:18 PM

Mathematics of Wonton Burrito Meals: Trivia Jockey: No, if you want to look like a fool in the international community.

I've literally never understood this argument. Who the fark cares what we look like to the international community? If the international community jumped off a bridge would we look like an asshole for not following along? This is the United States, we do what we want, when we want, however we want and life is pretty great living here aside from when you libs want to tax us all to death. Screw the UN and the international community.


We had a chance to look like global leaders on human rights, ratifying a treaty based on what has been US law for more than 20 years, affirming our commitment to our injured veterans, disabled children, and people with other disabilities. If we want to be global leaders, we need to act like it... The GOP biatched on Libya, Egypt, and a number of other serious issues about how we're "leading from behind" or "not acting like the leader of the free world"... but when they have the chance to lead, they're too afraid to actually do it.
 
2012-12-04 06:10:43 PM

whistleridge: Yes and no.

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Thanks for that. Interesting reading, gives me nifty things to google.
 
2012-12-04 06:11:16 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: The Troof hurts: Princess

Yes, he would. But then would he turn around and deny bread to another after giving bread to the first? Would you kindly remind me what Jesus said about hypocrits?


Who is being denied anything? Anyone with disabilities has far more rights here than in almost any other country on the planet. How does some BS UN treaty affect this?
 
2012-12-04 06:13:04 PM

LordJiro: Republicans are complete, utter scum. This should surprise nobody. If you vote Republican, you are an asshole, period. There are different CATEGORIES of asshole, sure (Rich asshole, fundamentalist asshole, bigoted asshole, just plain stupid asshole, etc.), and combinations thereof, but no matter which category you fall under, YOU. ARE. AN. ASSHOLE.


I think there are some delusional people out there who think they're still voting for Nixon like republicans (started the EPA) or maybe reasonable conservatives... but they don't understand that the GOP isn't that party any more, and these black helicopter loons who are afraid of Rusty Shackleford, the NIH, and Roswell's aliens are now the core of their senate and congressional delegations.
 
2012-12-04 06:13:15 PM
The rest of the world hates us because of our freedom. Riiiiight.
 
2012-12-04 06:13:47 PM
It's a feelgood measure. Big deal. Wake me up when they get rid of the ADA.
 
2012-12-04 06:14:49 PM

The Troof hurts: Princess Ryans Knickers: The Troof hurts: Princess

Yes, he would. But then would he turn around and deny bread to another after giving bread to the first? Would you kindly remind me what Jesus said about hypocrits?

Who is being denied anything? Anyone with disabilities has far more rights here than in almost any other country on the planet. How does some BS UN treaty affect this?


The UN treaty is actually based on the US ADA... the idea here was that we could lead the world and affirm our commitment to those rights... instead, just like through so many other issues, the party that talks about leading the world shows just how unprepared it is to actually do it.
 
2012-12-04 06:15:33 PM
FTA: The opposition was led by tea party favorite Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, who argued that the treaty by its very nature threatened U.S. sovereignty. Specifically he expressed concerns that the treaty could lead to the state, rather than parents, determining what was in the best interest of disabled children in such areas as home schooling, and that language in the treaty guaranteeing the disabled equal rights to reproductive health care could lead to abortions. Parents, Lee said, will "raise their children with the constant looming threat of state interference."

"Dammit, if we can't teach our retarded kids how to hate, and can't get 'em to breed more retarded kids we can fill with hate, the nation's at risk of becoming rational!"

Good job, GOP. Once again, your teabagger Tafurs have made this country come full-circle - a couple of decades ago, we proposed the very legislation used to drive this global effort, only to have us reject it because we've managed to become that much dumber in just a couple of decades.

Every time Republicans gain any power, any at all, the country loses progress and the rest of the world continues to move on. Heckuva job, GOP. Heckuva job. You're the "Party of No", all right, even at your own expense.
 
2012-12-04 06:15:55 PM

skullkrusher: CynicalLA: skullkrusher: You just white knighted for a guy who is saying that the Republicans who voted for this treaty are "traitors".
I knew you were an idiot. I just didn't know you were a Republican idiot. I'll make a note of it.

A lot ASSumptions right there. I wouldn't expect anymore from you and keep up the good work.

no, no ASSumptions needed. It's right here in the thread. CapeFearCadaver also noticed.


Please never respond to me and I will do the same. You are the most annoying person on this site. The guy I was responding to has lied many times and that's all I was commenting on. Get back to your regular circle-jerk.
 
2012-12-04 06:16:13 PM

The Troof hurts: It's a feelgood measure. Big deal. Wake me up when they get rid of the ADA.


Leadership is more than a feelgood measure, but I wouldn't expect a conservative to understand that. After 7 years of feelgood speeches about terrorism and no leadership, we've all figured out that the GOP is all talk, no leaders.
 
2012-12-04 06:16:44 PM

The Troof hurts: It's a feelgood measure. Big deal. Wake me up when they get rid of the ADA.


Yes it is. So why block it?
 
2012-12-04 06:18:09 PM
FARK YOU RON JOHNSON!!!
 
2012-12-04 06:19:26 PM

flux: The Troof hurts: It's a feelgood measure. Big deal. Wake me up when they get rid of the ADA.

Yes it is. So why block it?


Because apparently it is a meaningless treaty that can do no good in other countries, while simultaneously giving the UN the power to send the black helicopters swooping in to arrest home schooling parents and force abortions on everybody in the US.
 
2012-12-04 06:24:35 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Because apparently it is a meaningless treaty that can do no good in other countries, while simultaneously giving the UN the power to send the black helicopters swooping in to arrest home schooling parents and force abortions on everybody in the US.


And you joke, but:

MUST OPPOSE another UN TREATY! THE CONVENTION on the RIGHTS of the DISABLED - we have the law already and do not need FOREIGNERS meddling in OUR BUSINESS!
--------------
excerpt:

Also see Article 4, Section 1(h):

To provide accessible information to persons with disabilities about mobility aids, devices and assistive technologies, including new
technologies, as well as other forms of assistance, support services and facilities;

This language is potentially pro-abortion:

Provide persons with disabilities with the same range, quality and standard of free or affordable health care and programmes as provided to other persons, including in the area of sexual and reproductive health and population-based public health programmes; (Article 25, section a)

Articles 34 and 35 mandates another UN Committee that the USA has to report to. I will say it again: The Constitution forbids mandated reports to foreign committees! No patriotic American can support that!
 
--------------

So, yeah. Foreigners. Abortions. Okay.
 
2012-12-04 06:24:39 PM

flux: The Troof hurts: It's a feelgood measure. Big deal. Wake me up when they get rid of the ADA.

Yes it is. So why block it?


Why get worked up about it? We already lead the world by having the ADA as an example. Why does the UN have any bearing on this? These countries should have passed their own version of the ADA by now if they were serious about helping disabled folks. Instead, they sign on to a treaty with no balls as a feelgood measure. We still lead the world. Everyone needs to calm down with the faux-rage.
 
2012-12-04 06:25:29 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Holy crap- poor Bob Dole... Brought out for support-only to be farked by his own party.


You're talking about a man who sponsored two different universal-insurance/individual-mandate health bills in his time in the Senate. He couldn't make the Kansas House of Reps at this point, let alone be the national VP or Presidential nominee. I'm not sure who thought (okay, McCain probably) trotting him out would help. The current GOP hates guys like Dole.
 
2012-12-04 06:26:13 PM

CynicalLA: skullkrusher: CynicalLA: skullkrusher: You just white knighted for a guy who is saying that the Republicans who voted for this treaty are "traitors".
I knew you were an idiot. I just didn't know you were a Republican idiot. I'll make a note of it.

A lot ASSumptions right there. I wouldn't expect anymore from you and keep up the good work.

no, no ASSumptions needed. It's right here in the thread. CapeFearCadaver also noticed.

Please never respond to me and I will do the same. You are the most annoying person on this site. The guy I was responding to has lied many times and that's all I was commenting on. Get back to your regular circle-jerk.


Ahh the peanut gallery ad hom. Your specialty.
 
2012-12-04 06:27:49 PM

Headso: Mrbogey: Non-signatory countries won't honor any protections and signatories would almost universally guarantee them.

you would think but the country's laws that the treaty was modeled after didn't even sign it.


See...this is an actual diplomatic problem. A real, live issue, the sort that has been plaguing us throughout the history of politics, where all a country has to do after passing a law banning sign language or some other idiocy is say "Wait--even the folks this law is MODELED after didn't sign it! Why should we care?!".

And there was no f**king reason for it.

The GOP is seriously disturbing lately.
 
2012-12-04 06:32:38 PM

PsiChick: Headso: Mrbogey: Non-signatory countries won't honor any protections and signatories would almost universally guarantee them.

you would think but the country's laws that the treaty was modeled after didn't even sign it.

See...this is an actual diplomatic problem. A real, live issue, the sort that has been plaguing us throughout the history of politics, where all a country has to do after passing a law banning sign language or some other idiocy is say "Wait--even the folks this law is MODELED after didn't sign it! Why should we care?!".

And there was no f**king reason for it.

The GOP is seriously disturbing lately.


lately?
 
2012-12-04 06:53:10 PM
Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, looking frail and in a wheelchair, was in the chamber to support the treaty.

You sick f*cks.

You owe that man for decades of faithful service. Yet you rip open his ostomy bag, tear out his catheter and rub it all over his face.

You people sicken me.
 
2012-12-04 06:55:03 PM
GOP motto, 2012 version: Party Before Country, Ideology Before Reason.
 
2012-12-04 06:55:38 PM

The Troof hurts: Why get worked up about it? We already lead the world by having the ADA as an example. Why does the UN have any bearing on this?


Well, to start, I'm not all that worked up about it, and Lee, the guy who spearheaded the block, is my senator. It isn't going to change a thing for disabled US citizens, obviously. This is just the most recent iteration of this strange American Isolationism that we see a lot from tea-party-backed congresspersons. We live in an increasingly global culture, in an undeniably global economy, and the UN is crafting these treaties to improve the standard of living worldwide. That's the mission, here: let's make everyone's lives a little better. But when these treaties come to us, we slap them away like a petulant child, for no other reason than to say "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME, NERRRR!" I think it's immature, and I'd like to see the US approach the world (and the UN) in a spirit of cooperation and mutual betterment rather than suspicion and paranoia.
 
2012-12-04 07:04:06 PM
I'm sorry but we're well past the point now... Why are you even trying to defend anything the UN does anymore?

They are nothing without the United States and would cease to exist in no time at all without us and yet they are a favorite tool of anyone who hates this country to bash it over the head with.

Including American liberals.

I'm still waiting for Al "Very Concerned About Rape" Franken to propose defunding any organization whose employees have repeatedly been found to have committed rape or employed under aged prostitutes. I'm all for it. Aren't you? If you are then start writing to Obama and Franken, and ask them to withdraw all support and funding for the UN.
 
2012-12-04 07:07:36 PM

skullkrusher: Ahh the peanut gallery ad hom. Your specialty.


skullkrusher: I knew you were an idiot. I just didn't know you were a Republican idiot.


Mommy! That cocksucker called me a name!
 
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