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(Gawker)   The NY Post, not one of the classiest papers, stoops to a new low, takes a picture of a man about to be killed by an oncoming train rather than help. Fark: Posts image on front page   (gawker.com ) divider line
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2012-12-04 11:01:16 AM  
17 votes:
Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental. The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the tracks.

Tourists take pictures of trains all the time, so don't hand me this BS about a camera flash being a warning. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the pictures really were incidental.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUBLISH THEM

2012-12-04 11:41:52 AM  
6 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Farking Photojournalism. How does it work?


I'm not mad at the photog for taking the pics. I'm pissed at the Post for shamelessly exploiting the man's impending death with a sensational headline. Yes, wartime photography is in the same vain, but it serves the purpose of reminding people that war is hell. We don't need to gape at a photo of a civilian about to die a particularly gruesome death with "This Man is About to Die" underscored in order to sell papers. It's as tasteless as it gets, and a low even for the NYP.
2012-12-04 02:51:03 PM  
5 votes:

Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.


He took the photo during a UN food drop; the child's mother was probably no more than a few feet away standing in line to receive food aid for her entire family. What, exactly, would you have expected the photographer to do in that situation? Give the little girl a stick of beef jerky and tell her to fight with the vulture for a better photo?

Anyhow, according to wikipedia about two million people died during the Sudanese civil war. The scale of war, famine, and death that he witnessed went far beyond the ability of any one person to help. He didn't get PTSD and kill himself because of one shot. He got PTSD and killed himself because he was exposed to the unspeakable unstoppable grind of a brutal civil war.
2012-12-04 10:35:09 AM  
5 votes:
Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental.

That's why he got both the train and the victim perfectly in the shot!

/OHH LONG JOHNSON!
2012-12-04 02:54:08 PM  
4 votes:

Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.


And? That photographer (Kevin Carter) had been taking pictures of all kinds of atrocities for ten years: war, necklacings in South Africa, one thing nastier than the next. He didn't just stumble onto a famine, take a picture then get all suicidy.

His backstory is a lot more complicated than that.
2012-12-04 01:55:42 PM  
4 votes:
Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?

Gawker steals shocking content and repackages it for page views.
2012-12-04 01:50:40 PM  
4 votes:
So this is why they call it "Gawker." No, wait, it's perfectly fine for them to republish the photo for the noble and totally non-voyeuristic purpose of allowing us to register our moral outrage.

/fark both them and the Post
2012-12-04 12:29:29 PM  
4 votes:
Maybe it would have been better to snap a pic of the person that pushed him into the tracks.
2012-12-04 10:57:11 AM  
4 votes:

the_rev: I hope they catch the son of a biatch who pushed him, and throw him in front of the next available train.


you mean the guy who took the picture? my money's on him.
2012-12-04 02:53:53 PM  
3 votes:

teeny: Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]
That photographer eventually committed suicide.
Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.
Now I feel even more like a shiat for laughing. It's just disturbing that the media would so hungrily jump on such a photo. I imagined the picture of the vulture and the starving boy with the headline, "THIS CHILD IS ABOUT TO DIE!" and the inappropriateness of it got me giggling.
/I'm a douche


The guy didn't kill himself just because of that one photo. He killed himself because he was depressed, had been depressed for a long time, was on drugs, and then had a career where he spent years over in Africa and in war zones, taking photos, and saw shiat like that all the time. Then when he took that particular picture that made him famous, everyone piled on him asking why didn't he help the little kid, without understanding that maybe there were 100 kids just like that in the vicinity, and what was he supposed to do, feed all of them? He was a journalist, not an aid worker.

Maybe he should have picked up the little kid and tried to help her. And maybe he was just too overwhelmed by the things he recorded every day to do much except sit there and cry--which is what he did after taking the photo.
2012-12-04 02:14:06 PM  
3 votes:
The Post also just posted the picture of the rape victim that was testifying against a prominent Hasidic Jew.

The photographer (A courtroom supporter of the defendant) who took it was charged with contempt. The editors of the Post should be charged as well.
2012-12-04 11:03:46 AM  
3 votes:

Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.


In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.
2012-12-04 09:47:17 PM  
2 votes:

hiker9999: Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.
This was also the plot of an episode of "Homicide: Life on the streets" back in the 90s


upload.wikimedia.org

Yep, I still remember that episode
2012-12-04 03:33:29 PM  
2 votes:
If subways were outlawed, this poor guy would still be alive
2012-12-04 03:08:38 PM  
2 votes:

safari joe does it again: Though that drop is pretty steep and I doubt most people would be able to hoist themselves up, two people laying down on the platform can reach down and help pull the guy up given that the train is slowing down and the victim is close enough to the front of the platform.


I don't think you realize just how fast those trains come into the station. I have no idea which end of the platform the guy is on, and I don't know how long before the train came he was kicked off the platform. But let's set the stage:

1) There's a big deranged crazy man on the platform kicking people in front of the train.
2) There's a smaller guy confused and panicking and clawing at the edge of the platform, near the crazy guy
3) Most of the people around you are trying to get away from the crazy train-kicking guy
4) There's a train coming, and it's coming fast.

You're telling me that you'd find the nearest strong-looking guy and ask him to go over and pull the little guy off the track? What are you going to do about the train-kicking guy? What if he decides to kick you in too, while you're bent over the tracks with your ass sticking up in the air trying to help the guy on the track? What are you going to do if there's no calm looking strong guy to help? What are you going to do if the little guy has some sort of panic strength, and he starts to pull you in? It's easy to second-guess this, but all you have is a photo and little or no context.
2012-12-04 03:02:58 PM  
2 votes:

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I am shocked that the New York Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has demonstrated a lack of ethics or even simple human decency, but instead chose to exploit a person's death.

Shocked.


mentula: yessir and can you guess the post's politics?
hint: it's owned by murdoch.


You would be interested to know, then, that just this year, less than four months ago, on page one of the urbane, thoughtful and sophisticated New York Times was this bloody photo of the aftermath of a mass shooting (WARNING: GRAPHIC).

Gawker itself ran this even more explicit photo of the same incident (WARNING: ALSO GRAPHIC). 

They ALL want dirty laundry. The Post (and the Daily News) are the only ones who are frank about it.
2012-12-04 02:56:29 PM  
2 votes:

super_grass: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.

All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.


Well, sure. If you were completely illiterate and unable to read the headline printed right on the photo, I suppose you wouldn't have that context. You could assume that he was just an electrician going down to check the signal mechanism, or a janitor going down to pick up trash off the track.

And if you were completely illiterate, you're probably the target audience for the New York Post. So, I guess that works out.
2012-12-04 02:50:47 PM  
2 votes:
It really makes me wonder why the platforms don't have a couple foot overhang to them so that if you did fall or were pushed onto the tracks you'd be able to scamper to safety under the overhang when the train came. Wold that really be so hard to do?
2012-12-04 02:49:48 PM  
2 votes:
Last summer I was waiting on the platform and some drunk idiot fell onto the tracks with a C train approaching the station. I was nowhere near the edge of the platform and had to push through the mass of rush hour commuters to get to the guy and help him up. Only one other person tried to help the guy off the tracks. Everyone else was too busy filming the incident with their phones. Fortunately the conductor saw the commotion and stopped the train in time.

Despite having a near death experience, all the rush hour commuters promptly berated the drunk guy for delaying the train. And for my good efforts, my iPad was stolen from my bag as I put it down to help the guy get onto the platform.

So yeah. fark you, NYC.
2012-12-04 02:49:13 PM  
2 votes:

Lumpmoose: I can't guarantee I wouldn't be one of the people panicking if I were in that situation and I definitely can't guarantee that I'd heroically run to his rescue. Based on TFA, maybe most people have to be trained to handle quick-reaction emergencies like that or at least think about such things ahead of time. Maybe living in cities or society in general dampens the 'fight' side of the fight or flight response. And maybe you can never predict how you'd act in a situation like that until you're actually in it.


Maybe they were getting the fark away from the train because there was a pusher on the platform. Not exactly noble, but understandable.
2012-12-04 02:35:49 PM  
2 votes:

Hoopy Frood: The photographer looks to be about as far away from him as the train was. Unless there a phone booth nearby where he could have switched out of his disguise as a mild-mannered reporter and swooped in to save the day, what's he gonna do?


It's hard to judge depth and distance in a photograph; the lens choice and cropping can really play tricks on your perception.

With that said, depending on which end of the platform the guy was on, and how close the train was when he went down, there may not have been anything anyone could have done other than run over to get a real close look as the guy was squashed.

Also keep in mind that a good kick followed by a four foot drop onto a steel rail is enough to stun and disorient many people already. Add in the panic induced by a train bearing down, and the only thing a would-be rescuer is likely to be able to do with a few seconds time is to be clawed at furtively by the victim. If you're lucky, you might start to pull him out. If you're unlucky, he might start to pull you in. Either way, it's not as cut-and-dried as people seem to think.

// Running the picture was worse than tasteless. I avoid ogrish photos on the web; I don't want to see them on the front page at a newsstand.
2012-12-04 02:21:52 PM  
2 votes:
You have to remember, also, that there weren't minutes between the man being thrown onto the tracks and the train coming, it was a matter of, like, a second. He wasn't simply thrown onto the tracks, he was thrown into the path of an oncoming train. If I see a man throwing another man into the path of an oncoming train, I'm RUNNING THE OTHER WAY. There was absolutely no time to gather the strongest on the platform and gracefully pull the man up. Don't be deceived by the calm in the picture which looks like there was all the time in the WORLD to help him. There wasn't.
2012-12-04 02:15:12 PM  
2 votes:

Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.


Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?
2012-12-04 01:57:52 PM  
2 votes:
IF IT BLEEDS, IT LEADS
2012-12-04 01:57:32 PM  
2 votes:
This is exactly why I never stand close to the platform edge while waiting for the train.
2012-12-04 01:48:55 PM  
2 votes:
i.dailymail.co.uk

They also published this.
2012-12-04 01:46:56 PM  
2 votes:
From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.
2012-12-04 01:42:17 PM  
2 votes:
Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.
2012-12-04 12:14:54 PM  
2 votes:

Cythraul: The photographer, R. Umar Abbasi, snapped at least two photos of Han before he was run over by the downtown Q train.

I - I can't really put into words how I feel about this.


Well, I think it's pretty clear that Han should have shot first.
2012-12-04 11:21:31 AM  
2 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Farking Photojournalism. How does it work?


I'm not fighting two douchebags at once. Away with thee.
2012-12-04 11:19:05 AM  
2 votes:

Gulper Eel: Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Would you have said the same about Vietnam photographers like Nick Ut or Eddie Adams? They were paid for their work. Handed farking pictures over to their employer and won Pulitzer Prizes.


Reporters trying to document the consequences of war. What was this photographer doing? Trying to document the consequences of being too elderly to get out of the way of a train?

And you've come in here attacking people for doing something that they haven't even done. No one yet that I've seen is defending any of the other witnesses for standing by. You're the one defending someone for profiting off of his decision to not help.
2012-12-04 11:15:54 AM  
2 votes:
Don't forget that the NY Post also published a front page photo of John Lennon's body laying on a slab in the morgue.
2012-12-04 10:55:36 AM  
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.


There's been a rash of anti-Asian violence in the last 4 years. A few years ago, there was a rash of incidents involving kids who were beating up elderly Asian people in NYC. I think there was an NYT article on it.
2012-12-05 04:17:44 PM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: oakleym82: TommyymmoT: ...


Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.

Admittedly I don't have any better advice that lay down between the rails, lay under the platform, or run your ass off.
=========

HUH?
[saveamtrak.com image 642x390]
Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

By "NE corridor", I assume you aren't including NYC, because there are no overhead power lines, and all trains operating in and out of NYC, are re ...


By Northeast Corridor I mean the Northeast Corridor, including NYC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Corridor

Amtrak will run diesels under the wire into Washington D.C. where all the trains sit and wait for that locomotive to be switched to an electric one for the trip north on the NEC. Northeast Regional trains run on Diesel on the New Haven, CT and Springfield MA, and in Virginia like I said. All NEC rails are electrified overhead, even in the tunnels into Penn Station in NYC.

Some NJ Transit, Metro North, and CDOT trains run diesel under the wires on the NEC, and some LIRR trains do the same, and do switch to an electric shoe when entering Manhattan. But almost all Amtrak trains are electric on the NEC. Amtrak rolling stock does not have the flip-down paddle. If given some circumstances they can't switch to a locomotive with a pantograph they will get towed into Penn Station.

Source
Source

/so we're both right :)
2012-12-05 03:49:41 AM  
1 vote:

gweilo8888: walkerhound: Also, someone needs to look up the word "freelance."

And somebody else needs to look up whether freelance photographers are remunerated, or simply hand out their work from the goodness of their tiny, perfect little hearts.


The Times as well as the Post paid for bloody bystander-taken photos of the August mass shooting. The Times, iirc, gave the guy who took the aerial shot of Steve Ercolino bled-out on the sidewalk got $300. He gave it to charity - but the guy was not a photographer, just a guy with a smartphone and the right angle. The larger point is that whatever you may think of the Post or Murdoch is irrelevant. Any paper in town that got that photo would use it and give it heavy play. They would also seek out witness photos and be willing to pay for those. Obviously the two tabloids in town are more eager to run the gruesome photo, but the Times is hardly above the fray.
2012-12-04 09:44:17 PM  
1 vote:
Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.

I'm not upset with the photog, but I do think it's disgusting that the Post published it AND used it on the front cover to sell newspapers.
2012-12-04 07:41:31 PM  
1 vote:
Mayor Bloomberg said Tuesday it appears the suspect has "psychiatric problems". Go figure.
2012-12-04 07:22:21 PM  
1 vote:

ha-ha-guy: I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.


Cat is expensive to install and maintain (requires tension), especially above-ground. Plus it's much much more deadly than 3rd rail if you do happen to touch it (they fall down sometimes).

Ped detection is an interesting idea that has never really been taken seriously. I think in the Paris Métro, there are levers on some platforms that you can pull if someone has fallen in the tracks and it will set the signals on approach to red.
2012-12-04 06:17:39 PM  
1 vote:
I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.
2012-12-04 06:06:04 PM  
1 vote:

joemax: TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.


There is so much juice running through it though, that you don't need to be grounded all the way.
A pair of sneakers for example, would not help you.

Case in point:
CAUTION! GRAPHIC GORE OF SOMEBODY DYING VIA THE 3RD RAIL.

I'm not kidding. It's a real video that is not for the easily upset.
You've been warned.
2012-12-04 06:04:07 PM  
1 vote:

Super Chronic: SirEattonHogg: The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.

In New York I seem to attract the crazies. More than once I've had people approach me and accuse me of being "one of them." I get mumbled at or yelled at maybe once every couple of months. Once, many years ago, I was eating at an outdoor cafe, and someone (whom I had not noticed at all) walked up to me off the street and asked why I had been staring at him. (A waiter intervened and made him leave without further incident.)

And then a few weeks ago, on the subway platform, a guy was staring right at me for, oh, I'd say about one minute, so I finally asked him "what are you staring at?". I had adjusted my position a bit to move out of his sight lines at one point, and his eyes just followed me. He responded: "what are YOU staring at?" Me: "I'm looking down the tunnel for the next train, you idiot." Him: "You is (sic.) the idiot." Then he finally looked away from me and I walked away. I knew it was stupid of me, but I just felt sick and tired of catching crap from crazy strangers. After this I'm going to be doubly sure not to do that again. Just walk to a different area.


My sister got spat on her face while walking on the sidewalk when she was there.
2012-12-04 05:38:06 PM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.
2012-12-04 05:27:25 PM  
1 vote:

cig-mkr: I remember back in the day when Buddhist Monks were setting themselves on fire for some protest.
The photographers would watch them douse themselves with gasoline and then light the match which took several minutes
Not once did they try and stop them, their thought was they were only there to document the event.

[blog.alexgalmeanu.com image 460x371]


The monks did not want to be saved. The guy in front of the train did.
2012-12-04 05:26:42 PM  
1 vote:

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


So you are PROUD that you are a ginormous pussy?!?!?

/Interesting.
//Tell me about your father....
2012-12-04 05:21:52 PM  
1 vote:
Well that's it then... all trains should be banned.

thegrio.files.wordpress.com
2012-12-04 05:08:52 PM  
1 vote:

Nana's Vibrator: Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh!


Social Security is the third rail. If you see a train headed toward you and there is no possible way it can stop in time, do your best not to cut Social Security.
2012-12-04 05:07:54 PM  
1 vote:

dotvincent: I am a New Yorker. Of course I'd heard about the incident, but I was utterly disgusted when an hour ago I went into the kiosk nearby and the Post was staring me in the face.


i'm a new yorker and i'm utterly disgusted every time i see the post staring me in the face.
2012-12-04 04:49:19 PM  
1 vote:
Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh! How about don't touch any of the rails? It's pretty simple. Dont jump down. Don't get pushed down. But if you still somehow end up in a 20 foot wide area that has 3 6-inch rails in it, don't touch any of them. And watch out for the rodents, too. Oh, and the train. Run away from the train. Shoot maybe run straight into it head first. God I'm bored with myself.
2012-12-04 04:29:19 PM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: ...
I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.

Studying your photos, and my recollection of the MTA in general, I'm going to have to agree that getting over that 3rd rail unharmed is unlikely. My uncle is an MTA worker and when they do it the rails are not energized. Also, he told me that they never trust that wooden/plastic/metal guard over the third rail to A) not be energized (short) or B) hold their weight.

But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, until you lost me at:

/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".


Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.

Admittedly I don't have any better advice that lay down between the rails, lay under the platform, or run your ass off.
2012-12-04 04:22:39 PM  
1 vote:

Scoop84: LineNoise: Last I saw the numbers, the average number of people KILLED by the subway is a little more than one a week

[citation needed]


im no wiki article, but it is very, very common. When someone is pushed, it makes the news. when someone decides his only option in life is to kiss a train, it is often not covered.

I have a friend is a medic. he has seen plenty of people smashed or cut in half. The worst is when someone gets pinned between the train and the platform, because while they have just been cut in half, they might still be alive. the fact that they are pinned in acts as a tourniquet. However, there is still nothing that they can do. Once they pull the train away, the pressure comes off, and their guts basically spill out. Then death is quick. All they can do before that is give them some pain medicine and ask them, if they are conscious, if they want them to tell anyone anything. The really messy ones are when it happens on an elevated train. the tracks are open to the street below. messy rain.
2012-12-04 04:18:57 PM  
1 vote:

SlothB77: TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

My guess is the third rail is the one that is elevated higher than the others in both photos. In the first photo, i might be able to step over it without touching it, but there are more rails between the beams and if there is a third rail there too, I may accidentally touch it. Of course, the odds are higher than desired i accidentally touch the third rail here.

In the second picture, the odds are very high i touch the third rail trying to jump into the nook, if that is indeed the third rail blocking the entrance to the nook.


You are correct. But if you're not sure which one is hot, don't touch ANY of the rails.
Actually, there is something like 6 inches between the hot rail and the wall, and clearance in the alcoves is somewhere around 18 inches.

Besides, what's the alternative? Get hit?
2012-12-04 04:13:42 PM  
1 vote:

Surool: The Larch: Surool: You weren't there and your assessment of the odds and outcomes are laughable. At least you are admitting he didn't even try now. Keep making up new stuff and maybe you can justify his actions in your mind.

You're upset at a photographer because he didn't stop a civil war that killed two million people?

Put down the bong.


OK, help me out. Explain to me what you meant. The photographer was traveling with a UN food drop program. By most accounts, the children were milling about while their mothers collected food for their family when he took this photo. What, exactly, did you expect him to do? Feed that one kid? Stick around and help the kid's mother cook the food she received from the UN? Pick up a gun and go kill the people who were using food as a weapon during the civil war? Use his magic powers to go back in time and stop the war from starting in the first place? Seriously, what the hell do you think one person with a camera can do against the death of millions?
2012-12-04 04:07:55 PM  
1 vote:

Surool: You weren't there and your assessment of the odds and outcomes are laughable. At least you are admitting he didn't even try now. Keep making up new stuff and maybe you can justify his actions in your mind.


You're upset at a photographer because he didn't stop a civil war that killed two million people?
2012-12-04 04:00:38 PM  
1 vote:

The Larch: TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

Just admit it... you have absolutely no clue where the third rail is in those photographs, do you? You're not even entirely sure what the third rail is, or why you're not supposed to touch it. Maybe it's covered in poison ivy or something?

Anyhow, for the rest of you, never never never follow Tommy Palindrome's advice here. The third rail is that big steel bar that's jammed right up against those alcoves that he points out, and would be sending 600 volts and hundreds of amps of electricity through your legs the second you brushed up against it trying to wedge yourself into one of those holes.

=========

I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.


/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".
2012-12-04 04:00:24 PM  
1 vote:

dotvincent: I don't choose to read the Post for a reason. I don't need it to jump out at me and turn my stomach.


I've been to 3 stores today and not one was selling the Post.

I wonder if they were pulled by the Post, pulled by the store owners, or sold out.

/pleasedontsaysoldout pleasedontsaysoldout
2012-12-04 03:57:14 PM  
1 vote:

Daniels: I'm not sure those nooks have enough clearance to actually squeeze in to without getting fried by the third rail.


And, there's a drainage gutter between the tracks on both of Tommy Palndrome's photos, which isn't near the third rail, and whic does have enough space for a normal-sized person to fit into. You still have to worry about hose couplings and chains bouncing off your head, but if you're lucky you'll come out with nothing worse than a bath in fetid water. Which you'll actually appreciate, because it will mask the smell of the fresh poo load in your trousers.
2012-12-04 03:49:08 PM  
1 vote:

I should be in the kitchen: dickfreckle: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental. The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the tracks.

Tourists take pictures of trains all the time, so don't hand me this BS about a camera flash being a warning. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the pictures really were incidental.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUBLISH THEM

On the front page, no less. :-(

That's what bothers me the most. Well, that and the fact that the photog sold/gave the images to the paper. If I accidentally captured something like that, I'd first see if they'd be helpful to police or the transit authority and then delete the damn things. And probably burn the memory card... I'd feel just awful. I feel bad just thinking about it.


That is because you are a decent human being, unlike the savages at the Post.
2012-12-04 03:48:06 PM  
1 vote:

super_grass: Actually, Anderson did help out as well as report. Got anything else in you bag of derp?

But he didn't choose to spend ALL his time helping, nor did he pick up rifles when he was at Afghanistan or Iraq, nor did the cameramen.

Wouldn't that be wrong according to your "logic"?


You apparently can't grasp logic if you equate reporting in a war zone to standing like a dumbass and watching a guy die so you can get a good photo.
2012-12-04 03:40:22 PM  
1 vote:

inner ted: aww, make you sad?
or are you here to prattle on about how the poor photographer was helpless to do anything (except take photos and make $$)
please, do go on. it's intriguing


He's dead now, long before his time, and he died a tormented man. That's not good enough for you? I don't think you're the guy to be making judgments about anyone else's character.
2012-12-04 03:36:01 PM  
1 vote:

TommyymmoT: Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 448x284]
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


Just admit it... you have absolutely no clue where the third rail is in those photographs, do you? You're not even entirely sure what the third rail is, or why you're not supposed to touch it. Maybe it's covered in poison ivy or something?

Anyhow, for the rest of you, never never never follow Tommy Palindrome's advice here. The third rail is that big steel bar that's jammed right up against those alcoves that he points out, and would be sending 600 volts and hundreds of amps of electricity through your legs the second you brushed up against it trying to wedge yourself into one of those holes.
2012-12-04 03:32:25 PM  
1 vote:

ItchyMcDoogle: Someone need to inform Rupert Mudoch that something he owns is morally and ethically questionable!


Who owns the Gawker? Want to take a guess at who the photographer voted for? Trying to score partisan points off this is stupid.

Living in New York City baffles me. It reminds me of scientology in a way. Expensive as hell, soul-draining, ultimately futile, but everyone feverishly avoids the introspection that would reveal this by running around telling everyone else how great it is.

But to each his own.
2012-12-04 03:29:42 PM  
1 vote:
Was it that guy's first day riding the subway?
3.bp.blogspot.com
STAND BETWEEN THE BEAMS UNTIL THE TRAIN HAS PASSED.
I was taught that when I was 6 years old.

See these nooks?
farm3.static.flickr.com
That's why they exist as well. 

And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.
2012-12-04 03:27:48 PM  
1 vote:

super_grass: And a picture of JFK before he was shot is just as gory as a picture of his brains splattered out, right? Because that's what you're implying, yet you chose a personal attack instead.

Congratulations, you honorary soccer mom badge should arrive in the mail in a few weeks.


A picture of JFK in the Dallas motorcade a millisecond before the second shot rips the back of his head off, with a big headline saying "THIS MAN IS DOOMED", sounds pretty gory to me. But maybe you don't think so.
2012-12-04 03:23:35 PM  
1 vote:
images.tvrage.com
upload.wikimedia.org

Makes for great television, though.

/and a lifetime fear of standing anywhere near the tracks until the subway has arrived
2012-12-04 03:21:09 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that.
Skinny old asian dude? 150 tops.


Are you trying to tell me that you'd be able to lean over, dangerously overbalancing yourself, and deadlift a guy from six feet below you, not even taking into account how fast the train is coming? I have limited experience with subways, but it seems like they come in pretty fast and then stop fast. So this guy had only a couple of seconds before he was hit when that picture was taken. And no one is anywhere near him.

The best outcome I can see for someone trying to help is that they run over there, lean over and get their head lopped off too.
2012-12-04 03:20:04 PM  
1 vote:

Lollipop165: CSS: Just this Saturday I was on 57th St and 7th Avenue at around 1am.

There was a body. I mean, this guy was stone cold, vomit over his mouth, and his eyes were open and he wasn't blinking. He wasn't responsive and I didn't notice any signs of breathing. A crowd of kids had crowded around him to "see the dead body". Right across from a Halal truck. We asked the Halal truck how long he had been there and they said "oh I dunno... 15 minutes or so?"

Not ONE person had called 911.

My husband had his phone on him and I made him call 911. We waited for about 5 more minutes for the cops to come. Again, this guy isn't blinking, and from what I could tell wasn't breathing.

Right then, one of the kids literally KICKS the dead guy. No joke the "dead guy" jumps up and is awake. He's obviously on drugs or something, but I had NEVER in my life been so sure this guy was dead, and to see him wake up was incredibly shocking. He was a kid, well dressed, probably in his 20's. On the floor he looked like a 40-something year old bum.

So I'm waiting for the ambulance with him and I buy him a water. Yeah, the farking Halal guys charged me farking $3 for a gawddamn bottle of water. I told the guys, wtf? I'm helping YOU guys out here moving the dead guy!

But truly, I couldn't get over the fact that not one person in Midtown tried to help this guy. I know the Kitty Genovese case isn't factual, but I couldn't help making the comparison.


To the halal guy, it probably looked like it was just another junkie nodding off in front of his cart after a hot dose. He probably doesn't like junkies shooting up in front of his cart, and was upset that you were encouraging him with water.

Of course, it could have been a lot of things. Maybe the guy was having a stroke. Maybe he we going into a diabetic shock. Maybe he fell and hit his head. I really have no idea.

// Anyhow, everyone knows you shouldn't kick a dead body. That's barbaric. You're supposed to poke them with a stick.
/// Maybe they don't have sticks in Manhattan.
//// Someone should start a charity. For only 50 cents a day, less than a cup of coffee, you can buy one poor Manhattan street urchin a body pokin' stick.
2012-12-04 03:16:50 PM  
1 vote:

The Larch: super_grass: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.

All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.

Well, sure. If you were completely illiterate and unable to read the headline printed right on the photo, I suppose you wouldn't have that context. You could assume that he was just an electrician going down to check the signal mechanism, or a janitor going down to pick up trash off the track.

And if you were completely illiterate, you're probably the target audience for the New York Post. So, I guess that works out.


And a picture of JFK before he was shot is just as gory as a picture of his brains splattered out, right? Because that's what you're implying, yet you chose a personal attack instead.

Congratulations, you honorary soccer mom badge should arrive in the mail in a few weeks.
2012-12-04 03:13:25 PM  
1 vote:
CSS: Just this Saturday I was on 57th St and 7th Avenue at around 1am.

There was a body. I mean, this guy was stone cold, vomit over his mouth, and his eyes were open and he wasn't blinking. He wasn't responsive and I didn't notice any signs of breathing. A crowd of kids had crowded around him to "see the dead body". Right across from a Halal truck. We asked the Halal truck how long he had been there and they said "oh I dunno... 15 minutes or so?"

Not ONE person had called 911.

My husband had his phone on him and I made him call 911. We waited for about 5 more minutes for the cops to come. Again, this guy isn't blinking, and from what I could tell wasn't breathing.

Right then, one of the kids literally KICKS the dead guy. No joke the "dead guy" jumps up and is awake. He's obviously on drugs or something, but I had NEVER in my life been so sure this guy was dead, and to see him wake up was incredibly shocking. He was a kid, well dressed, probably in his 20's. On the floor he looked like a 40-something year old bum.

So I'm waiting for the ambulance with him and I buy him a water. Yeah, the farking Halal guys charged me farking $3 for a gawddamn bottle of water. I told the guys, wtf? I'm helping YOU guys out here moving the dead guy!

But truly, I couldn't get over the fact that not one person in Midtown tried to help this guy. I know the Kitty Genovese case isn't factual, but I couldn't help making the comparison.
2012-12-04 03:02:18 PM  
1 vote:
" Goddamn The Pushherman. "

John Kay / Steppenwolf
2012-12-04 02:53:26 PM  
1 vote:

BafflerMeal: Omahawg: i had a shirt-tail relation commit suicide by train once upon a time

they found his ear a block away

but only one of them

What is a shirt-tail relation?


It's like a kissing cousin; you're only allowed to touchy-feely the part above the waist (i.e., shirt tails). It's generally your step-sisters, first cousins, and your aunt if she's only your mother's half sister.
2012-12-04 02:50:53 PM  
1 vote:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.


Circulation: 555,327 weekdays

While we're at it, let's keep blaming Walmart for its workers' conditions.
2012-12-04 02:50:31 PM  
1 vote:

StrangeQ: under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.

It's a Murdoch production. Expecting it to have any sense of class, taste or basic respect for humanity is a bit much.


FTFM
2012-12-04 02:48:43 PM  
1 vote:

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.


All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.
2012-12-04 02:47:29 PM  
1 vote:

under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.


It's a Mourdock production. Expecting it to have any sense of class, taste or basic respect for humanity is a bit much.
2012-12-04 02:34:13 PM  
1 vote:

inner ted: Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?

is that a troll? if so... meh 4/10

if not & you really need it explained to you, just holler

o what the hell - here you go: being in a position to help and choosing instead to make a profit is pretty freaking horrible.

being a chickenshiat coward and hiding behind "don't vilify the messenger" just makes you extra cock-punch worthy


When you vilify the messenger instead of the guy who pushed the man or the other lookers-on, you are attacking the messenger.


Also, awareness, pic of assailant, etc...
2012-12-04 02:28:35 PM  
1 vote:

Headso: darth_badger: They have nothing on Alarma TV.

Last month Alarma TV had a video of a guy caught between the subway car and the wall as the train came. It spun him around like a top between the cars and the wall till he came apart.

I DVR'd it and show it to people if they are willing to watch. They always wish they didn't watch the video.

I saw an animated gif the other day of a guy getting kicked in the head and then falling into a subway train that was going by, he fell into the train and and down onto the platform, his head kept banging off the doors as they went by and his arm went down the side, when someone pulled him out part of his arm fell off.


The guy i saw was split at the waist.
2012-12-04 02:28:28 PM  
1 vote:
I visit NYC frequently & this is why I avoid (as much as possible) the crazy people talking to themselves - and there are a lot of them in the subway stations. There's no way of knowing how they'll react in any given situation and it's scary being stuck in the train car with one of them. Stay back from the tracks & don't talk to crazies.
2012-12-04 02:27:11 PM  
1 vote:

Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.


Now I feel even more like a shiat for laughing. It's just disturbing that the media would so hungrily jump on such a photo. I imagined the picture of the vulture and the starving boy with the headline, "THIS CHILD IS ABOUT TO DIE!" and the inappropriateness of it got me giggling.

/I'm a douche
2012-12-04 02:20:43 PM  
1 vote:

BarkingUnicorn: Gawker expresses its disapproval by linking to the NY Post story and paraphrasing just enough of it to pique readers' curiosity.


This.

"Click 'here' to see how reprehensible the NY Post is!"
2012-12-04 02:20:41 PM  
1 vote:

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


You shall have a pair of copper underwear that men shall tremble to behold...

smokinhotbooks.com
2012-12-04 02:13:58 PM  
1 vote:
Someone need to inform Rupert Mudoch that something he owns is morally and ethically questionable!
2012-12-04 02:07:07 PM  
1 vote:

SirEattonHogg: This is exactly why I never stand close to the platform edge while waiting for the train.


This. Or engage in conversation with strangers while waiting for a train. You never know who the crazies are.
2012-12-04 02:05:06 PM  
1 vote:
They have nothing on Alarma TV.

Last month Alarma TV had a video of a guy caught between the subway car and the wall as the train came. It spun him around like a top between the cars and the wall till he came apart.

I DVR'd it and show it to people if they are willing to watch. They always wish they didn't watch the video.
2012-12-04 02:04:16 PM  
1 vote:
As a photographer, you have to ask yourself, "What would Peter Parker do?"
2012-12-04 02:02:43 PM  
1 vote:

offmymeds: Have a look at the comments.

Link


FTC:

Jean Vuckovich-Evener
As a Libtard will say, Let's ban Subways!

Chao Liang
No let's not. When subways and trains kill, it's a tragedy and accident. When guns kill, it's just doing its job.

Jean Vuckovich-Evener
Well in this sad case the subway did it's job.

Oh lawd...
2012-12-04 02:01:41 PM  
1 vote:

ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]


That photographer eventually committed suicide.
2012-12-04 01:58:12 PM  
1 vote:
That's low, man. I wonder if the photographer can be held liable for negligent homicide.

If you can't help the guy get out, you point him toward the ladder or under the platform or between the tracks or something. Or maybe you even just stand there like a lump; falling into shock from seeing a situation like this and being stunned by it, while not the most savory of stories, is still well within the realm of plausibility. What you don't do is whip out your freaking camera for Ye Big Cash-In.
2012-12-04 01:57:10 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.


What you are supposed to do is run in the opposite direction of the train. If you don't have time to do that, its lay in the troth between the tracks.

Last I saw the numbers, the average number of people KILLED by the subway is a little more than one a week, and a conductor has around even odds of hitting someone in their career. Not that I have a problem with the subway, but I always chuckle at the thought that if it was a ride in an amusement park, there is no way it would be allowed to operate.
2012-12-04 01:55:46 PM  
1 vote:

SphericalTime: sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.

. . . okay. That's weird.


or hot......depending on how you look at it.
2012-12-04 01:55:43 PM  
1 vote:

offmymeds: Have a look at the comments.

Link


That commenters felt it was a great opportunity to mock Costas' gun control monologue is probably the saddest fact of all.
2012-12-04 01:54:37 PM  
1 vote:

dickfreckle: Abbasi claims that he was using his camera's flash to warn the train's conductor, possibly suggesting that the photos were incidental. The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the tracks.

Tourists take pictures of trains all the time, so don't hand me this BS about a camera flash being a warning. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that the pictures really were incidental.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PUBLISH THEM


On the front page, no less. :-(

That's what bothers me the most. Well, that and the fact that the photog sold/gave the images to the paper. If I accidentally captured something like that, I'd first see if they'd be helpful to police or the transit authority and then delete the damn things. And probably burn the memory card... I'd feel just awful. I feel bad just thinking about it.
2012-12-04 01:54:19 PM  
1 vote:
TRYING TO SAVE HIM WOULD HAVE DONE NO GOOD.....
/he's have just jumped again an hour or two later.
2012-12-04 01:53:50 PM  
1 vote:

had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.


Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.
2012-12-04 01:51:26 PM  
1 vote:

had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.


Ummmmmm wow.

If there were even TWO decent humans on the platform they would have grabbed the poor guys arms and pulled.
2012-12-04 01:49:48 PM  
1 vote:
I don't have any problem with it. Our news is sanitized to the point of being kid friendly.
2012-12-04 01:45:11 PM  
1 vote:
Why would anyone think that Raw Gear is any more accurate than the NY Post?
2012-12-04 01:42:04 PM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com
2012-12-04 01:23:50 PM  
1 vote:
This man is about to die. In a few moments, now, he will be killed, for Arthur Jarrett is a convicted criminal who has been allowed to choose the manner of his own execution!...

/cue naked jiggling
2012-12-04 01:16:51 PM  
1 vote:

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


NY Post Headline: "This man is about to pour molten copper down his pants. DOOMED."
2012-12-04 12:58:21 PM  
1 vote:

Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.


Someone once fell down the steps off a bus that I was about to board years ago. I didn't help him up--didn't even cross my mind. I just looked away quickly. I don't know why compassion in my brain shut off at that moment but I've thought about it a lot since then.

I can't guarantee I wouldn't be one of the people panicking if I were in that situation and I definitely can't guarantee that I'd heroically run to his rescue. Based on TFA, maybe most people have to be trained to handle quick-reaction emergencies like that or at least think about such things ahead of time. Maybe living in cities or society in general dampens the 'fight' side of the fight or flight response. And maybe you can never predict how you'd act in a situation like that until you're actually in it.
2012-12-04 12:56:41 PM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: Uhh, why? It's New York City. Probably one of the most diverse cities in the world. You'd think the people living there would be used to all that diversity by now, and would just come to expect it.


That's cute.
2012-12-04 11:19:43 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


Farking Photojournalism. How does it work?
2012-12-04 11:13:04 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


Would you have said the same about Vietnam photographers like Nick Ut or Eddie Adams? They were paid for their work. Handed farking pictures over to their employer and won Pulitzer Prizes.
2012-12-04 11:09:01 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


Well, whoever is most to blame, I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: New York City is the greatest city in the world.
2012-12-04 11:01:59 AM  
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Cythraul: RexTalionis: Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.

There's been a rash of anti-Asian violence in the last 4 years. A few years ago, there was a rash of incidents involving kids who were beating up elderly Asian people in NYC. I think there was an NYT article on it.

Uhh, why? It's New York City. Probably one of the most diverse cities in the world. You'd think the people living there would be used to all that diversity by now, and would just come to expect it.


This is one of the NYT articles, although not the one I was thinking of - this one is about Attacks on Asians in San Francisco.
2012-12-04 10:59:35 AM  
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Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.
2012-12-04 10:39:28 AM  
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I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.
2012-12-04 10:38:37 AM  
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The photographer, R. Umar Abbasi, snapped at least two photos of Han before he was run over by the downtown Q train.

I - I can't really put into words how I feel about this.
2012-12-04 10:32:13 AM  
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Damn. Dude was pushed, too - that's crazy.
 
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