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2012-12-04 07:12:02 PM
Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.
 
2012-12-04 07:12:08 PM
In other news, train conductor - blinded by flash of camera - unable to press emergency stop.

/DNRTFThread, so apologies to anyone who posted this already
 
2012-12-04 07:15:59 PM
So, where is the third rail?

In the middle of the traditional train tracks?

I don't know. In CA we have less electrifying modes of transportation and people who don't run from danger like pansies.
 
2012-12-04 07:19:15 PM

HighlanderRPI: In other news, train conductor - blinded by flash of camera - unable to press emergency stop.

/DNRTFThread, so apologies to anyone who posted this already


Emergency stop is the default mode, so all you have to do is let the accelerator go.
 
2012-12-04 07:20:29 PM

JackieRabbit: gweilo8888: The New York Post and this photographer are absolutely contemptible trash, and their excuses about warning the photographer with a flash and being unable to help pull the guy up reek of bullshiat.

Did you ever stop to think that the photographer may have been shooting with a long lens and was too far away to do anything? And what about others on the platform? Someone supposedly pushed the man onto the tracks. There must have been people around. Why didn't someone do something? This story is from the NY Post and further sensationalized by Gawker. You're supposed to roll your eyes and move on. Because in all probability, the event never occurred. Rather, someone snapped a shot of a subway worker doing something on the tracks in front of a stopped train is more likely.


Yeah, no.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57557157-504083/nyc-subway-dea t h-update-suspect-naeem-davis-questioned-by-police-in-alleged-fatal-pus h/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/04/us-usa-newyork-subway-idUSB R E8B31BY20121204

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/12/04/police-question-man-in-sub w ay-push/

https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl=dhbLDTEqo08PfFMXL1KfLyOTzDl_M&to p ic=h

And sorry, but it wasn't a long lens. It's clearly a flash exposure, which means he was within 50 feet or so max.

As trolls go, I'll give you a 2/10.
 
2012-12-04 07:22:21 PM

ha-ha-guy: I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.


Cat is expensive to install and maintain (requires tension), especially above-ground. Plus it's much much more deadly than 3rd rail if you do happen to touch it (they fall down sometimes).

Ped detection is an interesting idea that has never really been taken seriously. I think in the Paris Métro, there are levers on some platforms that you can pull if someone has fallen in the tracks and it will set the signals on approach to red.
 
2012-12-04 07:30:37 PM

walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.


Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.
 
2012-12-04 07:35:58 PM

TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.



Citation?
 
2012-12-04 07:36:27 PM

joemax: ha-ha-guy: I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.

Cat is expensive to install and maintain (requires tension), especially above-ground. Plus it's much much more deadly than 3rd rail if you do happen to touch it (they fall down sometimes).

Ped detection is an interesting idea that has never really been taken seriously. I think in the Paris Métro, there are levers on some platforms that you can pull if someone has fallen in the tracks and it will set the signals on approach to red.


Within the NYC system though most of the cat would be anchored to the ceiling of a tunnel. You could have lanyard style safeties (think seadoo lanyard) that de-energizer the cable when it falls. Lanyard is pulled out, kills a section of the cable. Of course you could also just design a better third rail setup where the rail itself is sunk down lower than the rest of the track and the shoe extends down to it, but the hole through which the shoe extends is too small for human most human feet. Sadly that adds cost for working on the trail though.

The real solution is the twin door system, where you have a station door and a car door. The subway stops, lines its doors up with the station doors, and then both open. Just like an elevator. That is an expensive retrofit though. I'd imagine you could do a fairly affordable system where cameras watched the tracks and used edge detection to pick out falling objects and determine what they are. if you wanted to spend more, some cameras with IR capabilities could help with picking up human bodies. System throws red signals and/or automates shutdown of trains.

The nice thing about the cameras is in the auto industry we found that you just start out figuring out how to get a few basic things from the image. Then you just keep developing the software to figure out more. So assuming you did it right, you'd just need to add a few cameras to each station and program them to say detect falling objects. Then via software updates you can teach them to do more, be smarter in what they detect, etc.
 
2012-12-04 07:41:31 PM
Mayor Bloomberg said Tuesday it appears the suspect has "psychiatric problems". Go figure.
 
2012-12-04 07:42:54 PM

BafflerMeal: Omahawg: i had a shirt-tail relation commit suicide by train once upon a time

they found his ear a block away

but only one of them

What is a shirt-tail relation?


anything more distant than 3rd cousin...which are legion 'round these here parts
 
2012-12-04 07:45:16 PM

Gdalescrboz: Ya, subby, because we all know you would have jumped out in front of the train to help the dude.


It would not have been difficult at all to pull the man up. Therefore I imagine the train was already approaching fast and the danger to assist was too great.
 
2012-12-04 07:57:59 PM

mentula: tatterdemalian still hasn't given examples of pictures that have appeared on the front page of the "liberal" new york times


Look downthread to one of my posts. It happened just this past August - the Times ran a graphic aerial photo of the bled-out body of Steve Ercolino on the sidewalk, complete with bright-red blood-drenched sidewalk, after that mass shooting in Manhattan. Just do a search for the words "WARNING: GRAPHIC".

For later print editions they switched to a photo of the dead shooter, iirc - but they sure as shiat kept the original bloody photo up on their website, where it was front-page for much of the day of the shooting.

It wasn't quite as big a stink because it was a Friday-into-Saturday story in August when lots of NYers are out of town.

In the end, I still fail to see what the big deal is in either case. We're talking about the newspaper town that front-paged a live execution in 1928.
 
2012-12-04 08:01:17 PM

BigNumber12: TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.


Citation?


Sure, why not..
www.commonsensedemocracy.com
 
2012-12-04 08:09:33 PM

TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.


Says the man who can't buy a soda more than 16oz to keep him from getting fat like the rest of NYers.

Also - citation needed.

Link

...looks like NY is in the top 10 by my GIS.
 
2012-12-04 08:11:10 PM
See also: www.hks.harvard.edu

From the same data set.
 
2012-12-04 08:22:17 PM
Murdock right wing rag. I wonder how Fox News is handling this?
 
2012-12-04 08:26:27 PM
Clues that Abbasi lied about New York Post subway photo?

Link
 
2012-12-04 08:31:54 PM
It makes me sad to imagine his last thoughts as he watched a crowd of people run away, with the obvious exception of the one douche snapping pictures.
 
2012-12-04 08:38:35 PM

Altitude5280: Clues that Abbasi lied about New York Post subway photo?

Link


"To reiterate: The New York Post happened to have one of their freelance photographers on the platform at the Grand Central Station subway stop when a Queens man was shoved onto the tracks."

That's not a Grand Central Station stop. No reason to read further.
 
2012-12-04 08:39:54 PM

cig-mkr: I remember back in the day when Buddhist Monks were setting themselves on fire for some protest.
The photographers would watch them douse themselves with gasoline and then light the match which took several minutes
Not once did they try and stop them, their thought was they were only there to document the event.

[blog.alexgalmeanu.com image 460x371]


Ridiculous comparison. This photographer was not documenting a protest, or war. Documenting this man being pushed onto a train track for posterity makes about as much sense as snapping photos of a woman being beaten and raped while crying out for someone to help or call 911.
 
2012-12-04 08:42:42 PM

TommyymmoT: Sure, why not..
[www.commonsensedemocracy.com image 720x529]


You *do* realize that his profile says he's in Colorado, and that your chart says that Colorado is the tenth *least* money-grubbing state, right? In other words, that his state is the very opposite of money-grubbing, contributing more to the Federal Government than it gets back? (Or at least, it was in 2005, which data is perhaps old enough to be irrelevant anyway.)
 
2012-12-04 08:44:30 PM

Cythraul: Ridiculous comparison. This photographer was not documenting a protest, or war. Documenting this man being pushed onto a train track for posterity makes about as much sense as snapping photos of a woman being beaten and raped while crying out for someone to help or call 911.


Thisfinity to the power of infinity. Taking a picture to sell to a bottom-shelf rag for entertainment purposes (let's face it, nothing the NY Post does is for anything as noble as news reportage) is the polar opposite of the example cig-mkr gave.
 
2012-12-04 08:46:45 PM
It's 2012...can't we put some rails or something.
 
2012-12-04 08:49:11 PM
I stand corrected.
Seriously, my glasses are broken.
I'll go sit in the corner now.
 
2012-12-04 08:51:50 PM
 
2012-12-04 08:53:48 PM

Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.


It's his job--what the hell was he supposed to do? He obviously couldn't have prevented it.
 
2012-12-04 08:54:19 PM

TommyymmoT: THEY BUSTED THE GUY THAT DID IT


Confesses? Hmmm. Given how a lot of confessions are gained, I hope they have more evidence than that.
 
2012-12-04 08:56:56 PM

gilgigamesh: offmymeds: Have a look at the comments.

Link

That commenters felt it was a great opportunity to mock Costas' gun control monologue is probably the saddest fact of all.


Why exactly? Seriously what makes that the saddest fact? Because I thought it would have been this senseless death.
 
2012-12-04 08:57:50 PM

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

It's his job--what the hell was he supposed to do? He obviously couldn't have prevented it.


Again, as I have said before in this thread. Documenting this for posterity, or news, makes about as much sense as photographing a woman being raped while she screams for someone to help or to call 911.

Doing nothing to help is one thing, taking a farking picture and then putting it in a paper to make money is something on a whole new level.
 
2012-12-04 09:00:22 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7467322/81089790#c81089790" target="_blank">gweilo8888</a>:</b> <i>TommyymmoT: Sure, why not..
[www.commonsensedemocracy.com image 720x529]

You *do* realize that his profile says he's in Colorado, and that your chart says that Colorado is the tenth *least* money-grubbing state, right? In other words, that his state is the very opposite of money-grubbing, contributing more to the Federal Government than it gets back? (Or at least, it was in 2005, which data is perhaps old enough to be irrelevant anyway.)</i>

<img src="http://http://www.ipfwcommunicator.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04 /oh-snap.jpg">

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7467322/81089736#c81089736" target="_blank">T.M.S.</a>:</b> <i>That's not a Grand Central Station stop. No reason to read further.</i>

Also, someone needs to look up the word "freelance."
 
2012-12-04 09:03:27 PM
ha-ha-guyWithin the NYC system though most of the cat would be anchored to the ceiling of a tunnel. You could have lanyard style safeties (think seadoo lanyard) that de-energizer the cable when it falls. Lanyard is pulled out, kills a section of the cable. Of course you could also just design a better third rail setup where the rail itself is sunk down lower than the rest of the track and the shoe extends down to it, but the hole through which the shoe extends is too small for human most human feet. Sadly that adds cost for working on the trail though.

The real solution is the twin door system, where you have a station door and a car door. The subway stops, lines its doors up with the station doors, and then both open. Just like an elevator. That is an e ...


Actually I think about a third of NYC's system is elevated or on embankment. Bolting it to the ceiling is fine, it's still harder to maintain though.

Subway screen doors would be a reasonable (but costly) retrofit.
 
2012-12-04 09:13:13 PM

walkerhound: Also, someone needs to look up the word "freelance."


And somebody else needs to look up whether freelance photographers are remunerated, or simply hand out their work from the goodness of their tiny, perfect little hearts.
 
2012-12-04 09:15:07 PM

Altitude5280: Murdock right wing rag. I wonder how Fox News is handling this?


I'm gonna guess they are pretending the whole story doesn't exist.
 
2012-12-04 09:44:17 PM
Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.

I'm not upset with the photog, but I do think it's disgusting that the Post published it AND used it on the front cover to sell newspapers.
 
2012-12-04 09:46:13 PM

TommyymmoT: BigNumber12: TommyymmoT: walkerhound: Sorry if it's been asked already, but of the dozens of people standing around waiting for the train, why didn't anyone bother trying to help the guy off the tracks?

/oh right, this is NY - they probably just expected the government to help.

Said them man who lives in one of the top 10 federal money grubbing states.


Citation?

Sure, why not..
[www.commonsensedemocracy.com image 720x529]



Are you stupid, or just trolling badly?
 
2012-12-04 09:47:17 PM

hiker9999: Marcus Aurelius: I thought this only happened in Stephen King novels. There's some really sick farks out there.
This was also the plot of an episode of "Homicide: Life on the streets" back in the 90s


upload.wikimedia.org

Yep, I still remember that episode
 
2012-12-04 09:47:41 PM

TommyymmoT: I stand corrected.
Seriously, my glasses are broken.
I'll go sit in the corner now.



Ah, gotcha.
 
2012-12-04 09:57:13 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.



I'll ask the obvious but unpopular question - is the rate of death-by-falling-onto-the-track great enough to justify such enormous expense? 50 people a year, in a system with 1.64 billion rides annually?? People die at far greater rates elsewhere on our public infrastructure. Where do you stop protecting people from themselves? Additionally, going back and walling off the track is TSA-style thinking - enormous expenditure of tax revenue to address a danger so remote as to be statistically irrelevant, when the gov't is already strapped for funds and increasing taxes all over the place to cover that shortfall.
 
2012-12-04 10:05:08 PM
I knew it wouldn't interest anybody outside of a small circle of friends.
 
2012-12-04 10:08:09 PM

Gulper Eel:
Kitty Genovese has some company now.


The Kitty Genovese story, it does not mean what you think it means.
 
2012-12-04 10:20:31 PM

BigNumber12: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.


I'll ask the obvious but unpopular question - is the rate of death-by-falling-onto-the-track great enough to justify such enormous expense? 50 people a year, in a system with 1.64 billion rides annually?? People die at far greater rates elsewhere on our public infrastructure. Where do you stop protecting people from themselves? Additionally, going back and walling off the track is TSA-style thinking - enormous expenditure of tax revenue to address a danger so remote as to be statistically irrelevant, when the gov't is already strapped for funds and increasing taxes all over the place to cover that shortfall.


Plus how many are accidental or unintentional?

The majority are suicides.
 
2012-12-04 10:24:59 PM

TyrantII: BigNumber12: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Eventually we'll get the twin door system. But that's going to be expensive as hell for a system that has 107 more stops than the second largest system in the world. The sad fact is, we just don't have the political will to cough up the money, despite 50 or so people dying on it every year.


I'll ask the obvious but unpopular question - is the rate of death-by-falling-onto-the-track great enough to justify such enormous expense? 50 people a year, in a system with 1.64 billion rides annually?? People die at far greater rates elsewhere on our public infrastructure. Where do you stop protecting people from themselves? Additionally, going back and walling off the track is TSA-style thinking - enormous expenditure of tax revenue to address a danger so remote as to be statistically irrelevant, when the gov't is already strapped for funds and increasing taxes all over the place to cover that shortfall.

Plus how many are accidental or unintentional?

The majority are suicides.



I want to throttle the (not few) people who believe that the SOLUTION! to suicide is lining the Golden Gate Bridge and entire length of Caltrain tracks (and wherever the suicides move next, and on and on) with suicide barriers. I know what sort of person thinks that way, but I won't rant about it in this thread.
 
2012-12-04 10:25:32 PM
I can't decide whether this photographer is worse than this one or not.

I think they're both sick farks, and the Post's front page is absolutely appalling. That's a firin'.
 
2012-12-04 11:10:12 PM

jshine: From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.


BART has those and it looks like enough room to avoid the train. I assumed they were put there just for that purpose.
 
2012-12-04 11:20:13 PM
If you ever visit NYC, ride the subway and fall/pushed onto the subway tracks, here are a few tips:

1) There are ladders at either end of the platform so you can climb back from the tracks. If you don't see a train coming, walk to the end of the platform and you can climb back up.

2) If you see a train coming, and can't make it to the end of the platform to reach the ladder, lie down on the track bed against the base of the platform. The train will pass over you, and you won't get a scratch.

3) DON'T run across the track. The third rail is on the far side of the track.

/ Misspent youth.
// Crawling around, and climbing on, dangerous urban infrastructure.
 
2012-12-04 11:23:18 PM

saturn badger: jshine: From what I've seen (though not in NYC), subway platforms usually overhang a lot and have the 3rd-rail moved to the opposite side specifically so that if someone falls onto the tracks, he/she can roll under the platform and have enough clearance to avoid being hit by the train. If the guy had rolled under the platform rather than trying to crawl out right away, he might have lived -- though maybe not, I don't know how those platforms are designed.

BART has those and it looks like enough room to avoid the train. I assumed they were put there just for that purpose.


Yep, it's posted here and there on the line that those are "Areas of Refuge."
 
2012-12-04 11:28:57 PM

amindtat: I thought pictures of imminent death, like the famous one where a car hits a pack of cyclists, was instant bannination?


It wasn't posted directly here and the mods greenlit it.
 
2012-12-04 11:51:17 PM

Gulper Eel: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

And? That photographer (Kevin Carter) had been taking pictures of all kinds of atrocities for ten years: war, necklacings in South Africa, one thing nastier than the next. He didn't just stumble onto a famine, take a picture then get all suicidy.

His backstory is a lot more complicated than that.

By 1991, working on the dawn patrol had paid off for one of the Bang-Bang Club. Marinovich won a Pulitzer for his September 1990 photographs of a Zulu being stabbed to death by A.N.C. supporters. That prize raised the stakes for the rest of the club - especially Carter.

Perhaps as importantly, while a few colleagues had framed the scene perfectly, Carter was reloading his camera with film just as the executions took place. "I knew I had missed this f--- shot," he said subsequently. "I drank a bottle of bourbon that night."

The suicide note he left behind is a litany of nightmares and dark visions, a clutching attempt at autobiography, self-analysis, explanation, excuse. After coming home from New York, he wrote, he was "depressed . . . without phone . . . money for rent . . . money for child support . . . money for debts . . . money!!! . . . I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings & corpses & anger & pain . . . of starving or wounded children, of trigger-happy madmen, often police, of killer executioners . . . " And then this: "I have gone to join Ken if I am that lucky."


He really needed a change of career.

Thanks. I did not know this.

/sad story
 
2012-12-05 12:00:36 AM

SpectroBoy: Zeb Hesselgresser: depends on how fast the train went by

Time enough to snap multiple pictures, sounds like.


Sports mode. Could make a time lapse of it.
 
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