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(Gawker)   The NY Post, not one of the classiest papers, stoops to a new low, takes a picture of a man about to be killed by an oncoming train rather than help. Fark: Posts image on front page   (gawker.com) divider line 364
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2012-12-04 04:35:05 PM  
Instead of blaming the photographer, how about blaming the asshat who pushed the guy?

I grew up there when it was the worst hellhole in the US. If I saw someone do that, I'd run too, because I'd be the next one thrown in. That's what happens when you are up against the crazy.
 
2012-12-04 04:35:33 PM  

SlothB77: there was probably some fear from the bystanders that if they tried to help the asian guy the crazy person threw onto the tracks, the crazy person would push them over the side as well. From what I read, he didn't run away until after the asian guy was run over by the train. If the crazy guy is still there and considering he had just thrown one person in front of the oncoming train ... do you take the chance?


I'm kind of shocked there weren't people to hold down the crazy guy, to be honest.

But honestly, I'm a "Do"er personality. I see people in danger like that and I expect action, not just from myself but from other people.

Unfortunately, I've come to the realization that I'm one of very few. Regarding my story above, even my husband didn't really want to call 911 for the "dead" guy. I made him. (I didn't have my phone on me).
 
2012-12-04 04:37:15 PM  

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?

You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.

You said you had a first-hand experience of what happened, did you not?

Where did I say that?

"And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?"

"Yes, as even you've agreed to"


Oh, that I have first-hand knowledge that he did nothing? You read the article, right? You've been arguing this whole time he was justified in not doing anything, so I thought you understood that too. I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand what you are talking about.
 
2012-12-04 04:38:45 PM  
Sure subby. Feel free to randomly dictate which people should be heroes and which are allowed to be afraid, immobile, or succumb to other natural reactions.
 
2012-12-04 04:39:57 PM  

edmo: Sure subby. Feel free to randomly dictate which people should be heroes and which are allowed to be afraid, immobile, or succumb to other natural reactions.


Like taking pictures of said tragedy?
 
2012-12-04 04:40:42 PM  

Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: Surool: super_grass: And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?

Yes, as even you've agreed to, he did nothing to help. Didn't even flinch away from his perfect shot of a man about to die. Done and Done.

If you had first hand experience and you didn't try to help, then your are just as much of a scumbag as the photographer.

Actually, you're an even bigger piece of shiat, because you're criticizing him for his inaction while doing nothing about it yourself.

There's no need to be so butthurt, little camper. Why not stick to what is here instead of making up fairy tales to bolster your argument?

I'm pointing out all the holes in your accusations yet you respond by calling me butthurt.

Did you finally run out of things to say and resort to insults?

You aren't posting anything substantive to respond to. "You did nothing about an incident you didn't witness" doesn't seem like an intelligent argument to me.

You said you had a first-hand experience of what happened, did you not?

Where did I say that?

"And you have absolute knowledge of what happened first hand and the photographer's negligence?"

"Yes, as even you've agreed to"

Oh, that I have first-hand knowledge that he did nothing? You read the article, right? You've been arguing this whole time he was justified in not doing anything, so I thought you understood that too. I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand what you are talking about.


I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?
 
2012-12-04 04:40:58 PM  
Journalists Dilemma (old school version):

A man is pushed onto the tracks . . . train is coming . . . you have only seconds to decide . . . do you shoot it in black & white, or color . . . ?

/ Very old photojournalist joke, modified to fit your screen.
 
2012-12-04 04:45:07 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Instead of blaming the photographer, how about blaming the asshat who pushed the guy?


Sounds like they have someone in custody?
 
2012-12-04 04:46:25 PM  

The Larch: safari joe does it again: Though that drop is pretty steep and I doubt most people would be able to hoist themselves up, two people laying down on the platform can reach down and help pull the guy up given that the train is slowing down and the victim is close enough to the front of the platform.

I don't think you realize just how fast those trains come into the station. I have no idea which end of the platform the guy is on, and I don't know how long before the train came he was kicked off the platform. But let's set the stage:

1) There's a big deranged crazy man on the platform kicking people in front of the train.
2) There's a smaller guy confused and panicking and clawing at the edge of the platform, near the crazy guy
3) Most of the people around you are trying to get away from the crazy train-kicking guy
4) There's a train coming, and it's coming fast.

You're telling me that you'd find the nearest strong-looking guy and ask him to go over and pull the little guy off the track? What are you going to do about the train-kicking guy? What if he decides to kick you in too, while you're bent over the tracks with your ass sticking up in the air trying to help the guy on the track? What are you going to do if there's no calm looking strong guy to help? What are you going to do if the little guy has some sort of panic strength, and he starts to pull you in? It's easy to second-guess this, but all you have is a photo and little or no context.


I had to step away and just your response now. I was referring to an experience I had about a year ago, in which me and another stranger had helped a guy get back onto the platform after he had fallen. Definitely not apples-to-apples comparison to TFA.

My guy was drunk and lost his balance when looking to see if a train was coming. No one pushed him, so there was no clear danger of someone knocking me over too. Where he fell was towards the front/middle part of the station platform. The train (C @ Hoyt/Schermerhorn) was already slowing down as it as entering the station. I didn't have time to think. I just saw a guy who was too drunk/too scared/both to do much until me and another person dove down on our bellies and helped him up. I didn't ask anyone for help--just hoped that I'd be strong enough to pull him up. Fortunately I wasn't the only person to think this because I've never won at arm wrestling in my life. The conductor saw us doing this and stopped the train in time for us to get him up, so it's quite likely a train that wasn't decelerating would have clipped us too.
 
2012-12-04 04:49:19 PM  
Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh! How about don't touch any of the rails? It's pretty simple. Dont jump down. Don't get pushed down. But if you still somehow end up in a 20 foot wide area that has 3 6-inch rails in it, don't touch any of them. And watch out for the rodents, too. Oh, and the train. Run away from the train. Shoot maybe run straight into it head first. God I'm bored with myself.
 
2012-12-04 04:50:45 PM  

super_grass: I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?


Your posts are largely irrelevant. Read the article. The Photographer said he was using his flash to try to signal the driver. This implies the perfectly framed photos "just happened" while the photog was trying to get the driver's attention. He says nothing about any of the stories you are trying to make up for him.
 
2012-12-04 04:53:05 PM  

freewill: Arn_Dee: Isn't that like, negligent manslaughter or somesuch? I feel guilty on humanity's behalf just having seen the picture.

I don't think the generally law gives citizens a duty to reach in front of oncoming trains to grab people.



Farking bullshiat, the idea of legally compelling people to risk their lives to save someone, even if the rescue seems like suicide at the time. God damn, some people here reeeeeeally love government intervention into people's lives, as long as it's "someone else."
 
2012-12-04 04:53:21 PM  
Was the Post acquired by Stileproject?
 
2012-12-04 04:55:24 PM  

Surool: super_grass: I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?

Your posts are largely irrelevant. Read the article. The Photographer said he was using his flash to try to signal the driver. This implies the perfectly framed photos "just happened" while the photog was trying to get the driver's attention. He says nothing about any of the stories you are trying to make up for him.


I have doubts about the reasoning ability of someone who reads "first hand" and equates with reading about it on the internet.

A flash photo of a train "just happened" to contain the person it's hurling towards is not exactly damming evidence of... anything.
 
2012-12-04 04:57:29 PM  

Gulper Eel: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I am shocked that the New York Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has demonstrated a lack of ethics or even simple human decency, but instead chose to exploit a person's death.

Shocked.

mentula: yessir and can you guess the post's politics?
hint: it's owned by murdoch.

You would be interested to know, then, that just this year, less than four months ago, on page one of the urbane, thoughtful and sophisticated New York Times was this bloody photo of the aftermath of a mass shooting (WARNING: GRAPHIC).

Gawker itself ran this even more explicit photo of the same incident (WARNING: ALSO GRAPHIC). 

They ALL want dirty laundry. The Post (and the Daily News) are the only ones who are frank about it.


Was the photographer in a position to prevent the mass shooting?
 
2012-12-04 04:57:54 PM  

oakleym82: TommyymmoT: ...
I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.

Studying your photos, and my recollection of the MTA in general, I'm going to have to agree that getting over that 3rd rail unharmed is unlikely. My uncle is an MTA worker and when they do it the rails are not energized. Also, he told me that they never trust that wooden/plastic/metal guard over the third rail to A) not be energized (short) or B) hold their weight.

But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, until you lost me at:

/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".

Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.

Admittedly I don't have any better advice that lay down between the rails, lay under the platform, or run your ass off.

=========

HUH?
saveamtrak.com
Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

By "NE corridor", I assume you aren't including NYC, because there are no overhead power lines, and all trains operating in and out of NYC, are required to have hot shoes, (paddles) or all the people in the stations, and tunnels would die of CO poisoning.
 
2012-12-04 04:58:43 PM  

Rindred: Was the Post acquired by Stileproject?


Ebaum.
 
2012-12-04 04:59:17 PM  
troth 

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-04 04:59:50 PM  
I came back to say... I was wrong (about the starving child vulture pic). I must have read that story and mixed up the details. RIP Kevin Carter, and the poor subway man.
 
2012-12-04 05:04:43 PM  

TommyymmoT: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.


that picture isn't that station, the albany one is all nice and new.
 
2012-12-04 05:04:53 PM  
as i ride the subway every morning this is always a concern to me. i always check behind me and step back as the train is approaching. happens alot tho. to bad he didnt just duck under the platform.
shiatty picture for his family to see.
 
2012-12-04 05:07:54 PM  

dotvincent: I am a New Yorker. Of course I'd heard about the incident, but I was utterly disgusted when an hour ago I went into the kiosk nearby and the Post was staring me in the face.


i'm a new yorker and i'm utterly disgusted every time i see the post staring me in the face.
 
2012-12-04 05:08:52 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh!


Social Security is the third rail. If you see a train headed toward you and there is no possible way it can stop in time, do your best not to cut Social Security.
 
2012-12-04 05:09:42 PM  

super_grass: I have doubts about the reasoning ability of someone who reads "first hand" and equates with reading about it on the internet.

A flash photo of a train "just happened" to contain the person it's hurling towards is not exactly damming evidence of... anything.


The fact that this picture was posted on the front page of a Murdoch-owned paper is damning evidence that we hate conservatives, since we nominate photo ops in liberal papers like the New York Times and Newsweek for Pulitzers for doing the exact same thing.

/because liberals have good intentions and are never wrong
//and conservatives are evil bad guys who are motivated only by greed and profit, and if you don't hate them with all your heart and soul then you are a monster just like them
 
2012-12-04 05:10:28 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Don't touch the third rail don't touch the third rail wah wah wah! I don't know which is which wahhh! How about don't touch any of the rails? It's pretty simple. Dont jump down. Don't get pushed down. But if you still somehow end up in a 20 foot wide area that has 3 6-inch rails in it, don't touch any of them. And watch out for the rodents, too. Oh, and the train. Run away from the train. Shoot maybe run straight into it head first. God I'm bored with myself.


For some reason, this post amused me most of all.

That and the fact that it came from Nana's Vibrator.
 
2012-12-04 05:11:20 PM  

Headso: TommyymmoT: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

that picture isn't that station, the albany one is all nice and new.


Actually, it is. The shiny new station is behind the photographer. 

This is Selkirk, about 10 miles to the south, and still, no overhead wires. 
saveamtrak.com
 
2012-12-04 05:11:49 PM  

Tatterdemalian:

The fact that this picture was posted on the front page of a Murdoch-owned paper is damning evidence that we hate conservatives, since we nominate photo ops in liberal papers like the New York Times and Newsweek for Pulitzers for doing the exact same thing.


perhaps you're right. can you give an example though so we can see?
 
2012-12-04 05:15:01 PM  

super_grass: Surool: super_grass: I was talking about the actual circumstances and how it would have discouraged him from doing things, and the existence of other people who could have helped just as much as him.

Did you not read what I posted?

Your posts are largely irrelevant. Read the article. The Photographer said he was using his flash to try to signal the driver. This implies the perfectly framed photos "just happened" while the photog was trying to get the driver's attention. He says nothing about any of the stories you are trying to make up for him.

I have doubts about the reasoning ability of someone who reads "first hand" and equates with reading about it on the internet.

A flash photo of a train "just happened" to contain the person it's hurling towards is not exactly damming evidence of... anything.


Your comprehension skills are very poor. The fact the Photographer says he DID do something is what I am reacting to.

Your lack of first-hand knowledge didn't stop you from making up stories about the photographer's thoughts or conditions he faced.You made up tons of story without being present on the subway platform, but criticize me for basing my comments off of the Photographer's own statements? You are either a troll, or too stupid to debate.

The perfectly framed photo is evidence that the photographer was looking through the viewfinder and actively got both man and train in the shot. It doesn't do much for the claim he was only using the flash to get the driver's attention.
 
2012-12-04 05:15:58 PM  

SirEattonHogg: The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.


There is video of part of the confrontation. From the video the pusher is arguing with the guy telling him to get away from him, and the guy is just standing there in the pusher's face. From other stuff I read about this witnesses said that the Asian guy appeared to be drunk and had confronted the other guy about begging. Doesn't excuse the guy from pushing him onto the tracks, but from the video something more was going on between the two than the guy just walking up to him and pushing him onto the tracks.
 
2012-12-04 05:16:22 PM  

mentula: Tatterdemalian:

The fact that this picture was posted on the front page of a Murdoch-owned paper is damning evidence that we hate conservatives, since we nominate photo ops in liberal papers like the New York Times and Newsweek for Pulitzers for doing the exact same thing.

perhaps you're right. can you give an example though so we can see?


http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

I think a good 40% of all pulitzer prize pictures are of human suffering.

Which is kind of the point of photojournalism: impact and awareness.
 
2012-12-04 05:17:53 PM  

TommyymmoT: Headso: TommyymmoT: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

that picture isn't that station, the albany one is all nice and new.

Actually, it is. The shiny new station is behind the photographer.


oh wait, that picture is from before that station opened... it says 2001
 
2012-12-04 05:18:42 PM  
Tommyymmot: Albany (Rennselaer) station, New York.
I take take that train quite a bit.

By "NE corridor", I assume you aren't including NYC, because there are no overhead power lines, and all trains operating in and out of NYC, are required to have hot shoes, (paddles) or all the people in the stations, and tunnels would die of CO poisoning.


Albany is not part of the NE Corridor, it's the Empire Corridor. The trains switch to diesel after Croton-Harmon or Poughkeepsie, I think.
 
2012-12-04 05:21:22 PM  

super_grass:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

sorry i put that link in but got a 'page not found'.
 
2012-12-04 05:21:52 PM  
Well that's it then... all trains should be banned.

thegrio.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-04 05:26:08 PM  

mentula: super_grass:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

sorry i put that link in but got a 'page not found'.


Link

Fark adds spaces between the dashes in the URL for some reason.
 
2012-12-04 05:26:42 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


So you are PROUD that you are a ginormous pussy?!?!?

/Interesting.
//Tell me about your father....
 
2012-12-04 05:26:54 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Instead of blaming the photographer, how about blaming the asshat who pushed the guy?

I grew up there when it was the worst hellhole in the US. If I saw someone do that, I'd run too, because I'd be the next one thrown in. That's what happens when you are up against the crazy.


how about we blame people for what they're responsible for? Blame the guy who pushed him for pushing him, blame the asshat for taking pictures instead of helping. How about we do that, since it makes more sense than you trying to pretend he didn't do anything wrong.

In addition, the photographer didn't "run" he stuck around and took pictures. Also, no, you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where you had an established, conscious contingency plan for what to do if someone near you started shoving people in front of trains. That's a ridiculous claim to make.
 
2012-12-04 05:27:25 PM  

cig-mkr: I remember back in the day when Buddhist Monks were setting themselves on fire for some protest.
The photographers would watch them douse themselves with gasoline and then light the match which took several minutes
Not once did they try and stop them, their thought was they were only there to document the event.

[blog.alexgalmeanu.com image 460x371]


The monks did not want to be saved. The guy in front of the train did.
 
2012-12-04 05:37:55 PM  

super_grass: mentula: super_grass:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/pulitzer-prize-winning - photos-1981-2011-31ii

sorry i put that link in but got a 'page not found'.

Link

Fark adds spaces between the dashes in the URL for some reason.


thanks.
i'd say the 1991 one is pretty horrifying and my reaction was "throw your jacket on that guy" but if it's the middle of a firefight (and people are running) then perhaps the photographer can't be blamed. (worst of all for me are pictures of self-immolators like you used to see during the vietnam war. i would say such pictures are exploitative but being seen is what those people wanted.)

but tatterdemalian still hasn't given examples of pictures that have appeared on the front page of the "liberal" new york times or newsweek that are comparable to what's on the post today. pulitzer prize winning pictures are a different category.
 
2012-12-04 05:38:06 PM  

TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.


The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.
 
2012-12-04 05:39:24 PM  

SirEattonHogg: The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.


In New York I seem to attract the crazies. More than once I've had people approach me and accuse me of being "one of them." I get mumbled at or yelled at maybe once every couple of months. Once, many years ago, I was eating at an outdoor cafe, and someone (whom I had not noticed at all) walked up to me off the street and asked why I had been staring at him. (A waiter intervened and made him leave without further incident.)

And then a few weeks ago, on the subway platform, a guy was staring right at me for, oh, I'd say about one minute, so I finally asked him "what are you staring at?". I had adjusted my position a bit to move out of his sight lines at one point, and his eyes just followed me. He responded: "what are YOU staring at?" Me: "I'm looking down the tunnel for the next train, you idiot." Him: "You is (sic.) the idiot." Then he finally looked away from me and I walked away. I knew it was stupid of me, but I just felt sick and tired of catching crap from crazy strangers. After this I'm going to be doubly sure not to do that again. Just walk to a different area.
 
2012-12-04 05:55:44 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Well that's it then... all trains should be banned.

[thegrio.files.wordpress.com image 650x365]


ExACTLY. IF there were no trains this man would still be alive.
 
2012-12-04 06:01:40 PM  

ongbok


2012-12-04 05:15:58 PM

There is video of part of the confrontation. From the video the pusher is arguing with the guy telling him to get away from him, and the guy is just standing there in the pusher's face. From other stuff I read about this witnesses said that the Asian guy appeared to be drunk and had confronted the other guy about begging. Doesn't excuse the guy from pushing him onto the tracks, but from the video something more was going on between the two than the guy just walking up to him and pushing him onto the tracks.


Yeah, bad way to go for that guy, but real BAD judgment to be arguing with a bigger guy who is telling you to "back off" with your back to the edge of the platform.

Oh and I love the usual insightful Youtube user comments on race.
 
2012-12-04 06:04:07 PM  

Super Chronic: SirEattonHogg: The other rule of urban living is not to talk to the crazy guy. Usually its the one cursing fairly loudly and nonstop. That should probably be pretty obvious. The years of living near downtown SF made that pretty clear to me.

There is zero to be gained by talking to them. I have no idea why this poor guy thought it would be a good idea to approach this person.

In New York I seem to attract the crazies. More than once I've had people approach me and accuse me of being "one of them." I get mumbled at or yelled at maybe once every couple of months. Once, many years ago, I was eating at an outdoor cafe, and someone (whom I had not noticed at all) walked up to me off the street and asked why I had been staring at him. (A waiter intervened and made him leave without further incident.)

And then a few weeks ago, on the subway platform, a guy was staring right at me for, oh, I'd say about one minute, so I finally asked him "what are you staring at?". I had adjusted my position a bit to move out of his sight lines at one point, and his eyes just followed me. He responded: "what are YOU staring at?" Me: "I'm looking down the tunnel for the next train, you idiot." Him: "You is (sic.) the idiot." Then he finally looked away from me and I walked away. I knew it was stupid of me, but I just felt sick and tired of catching crap from crazy strangers. After this I'm going to be doubly sure not to do that again. Just walk to a different area.


My sister got spat on her face while walking on the sidewalk when she was there.
 
2012-12-04 06:06:04 PM  

joemax: TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.


There is so much juice running through it though, that you don't need to be grounded all the way.
A pair of sneakers for example, would not help you.

Case in point:
CAUTION! GRAPHIC GORE OF SOMEBODY DYING VIA THE 3RD RAIL.

I'm not kidding. It's a real video that is not for the easily upset.
You've been warned.
 
2012-12-04 06:10:41 PM  

oakleym82: TommyymmoT: ...
I think if you were really ambitious, went back to school, and studied really hard, you could some day be an imbecile.

I've seen track workers do it more than once.

I've had friends and relatives that worked for the MTA, as well as Amtrak, and Conrail.
What I said to do, is something MTA employees do several of times per day.
That big steel bar, has a wooden guardrail over it, and the train's "hot shoe" glides above it.
The electricity doesn't just jump out and grab you whenever it's in a mischievous mood.

Studying your photos, and my recollection of the MTA in general, I'm going to have to agree that getting over that 3rd rail unharmed is unlikely. My uncle is an MTA worker and when they do it the rails are not energized. Also, he told me that they never trust that wooden/plastic/metal guard over the third rail to A) not be energized (short) or B) hold their weight.

But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, until you lost me at:

/side note
Even Amtrak, and freight trains operate on electricity. Their diesel engines exist only to power the generator that supplies the electric motor that turns the drive wheels.
If you've ever taken a train into NYC, you would notice that when they approach the roughly last 12 miles, (mostly in tunnels) they turn the diesel engine off, the train's "hot shoe" flips down, and the train's motor not engine is then powered by the "hot rail".

Amtrak trains do not have diesel locomotives in the NE corridor, nor to they have shoes/paddles. They are powered by overhead catenary to which the train connects with the pantograph.



You are thinking of Metro North.
 
2012-12-04 06:13:59 PM  
Shouldn't the emphasis be put on trying to catch the person who pushed the guy onto the tracks. Once pushed into an oncoming train, no one could save the guy except for himself. By jumping onto the tracks you will only end of dead too and your estate may just get a bill for the price of having your guts cleaned up.
 
2012-12-04 06:17:26 PM  

TommyymmoT: joemax: TommyymmoT: And if you don't know enough not to touch the 3rd rail, maybe you should be living in Arkansas.

The 3rd rail is an insulated DC connection, so can touch it sometimes, as long as you don't have a ground connection. On some elevated sections, you could lick the 3rd rail without consequence, as long as you're not touching one of the other two rails (which act as the grounding). In Chicago on the elevated it's not unusual to see workers stepping on and even sitting on the 3rd rail (and yes, it's energized). The elevated structure itself doesn't provide enough of a ground for it to be harmful.

/Of course, I don't personally recommend this.

There is so much juice running through it though, that you don't need to be grounded all the way.
A pair of sneakers for example, would not help you.

Case in point:
CAUTION! GRAPHIC GORE OF SOMEBODY DYING VIA THE 3RD RAIL.

I'm not kidding. It's a real video that is not for the easily upset.
You've been warned.


Yea, Pretty much stay off the tracks. They are for trains. Bet it started smelling better down there once the bar-b-q started.
 
2012-12-04 06:17:39 PM  
I've just always wanted to go back in time, find the engineer who decided to use the third rail, smack him upside the head and say "use catenary lines you dumbfark". I'd need to learn German first though, since Semiens started it IIRC. Things would be much easier if the ceilings of the subway tunnel were tray ceilings (relative to the platform) and unless your dumbass decided play high jump, you couldn't fry yourself. While I'm at it, very basic digital cameras on the tracks that are tripped by either blockage or the motion of something failing onto the tracks. When the camera signals either of those conditions, the trains are shut down until it is cleared. Come on NYC the Koreans have basic ped detection on their cheap cars, you can get it on your subway system.
 
2012-12-04 07:00:03 PM  
Ya, subby, because we all know you would have jumped out in front of the train to help the dude.
 
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