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(Gawker)   The NY Post, not one of the classiest papers, stoops to a new low, takes a picture of a man about to be killed by an oncoming train rather than help. Fark: Posts image on front page   (gawker.com ) divider line
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2012-12-04 02:07:18 PM  
Isn't that like, negligent manslaughter or somesuch? I feel guilty on humanity's behalf just having seen the picture.
 
2012-12-04 02:08:02 PM  
Gawker expresses its disapproval by linking to the NY Post story and paraphrasing just enough of it to pique readers' curiosity.
 
2012-12-04 02:08:41 PM  

Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.


Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.
 
2012-12-04 02:09:14 PM  

Millennium: That's low, man. I wonder if the photographer can be held liable for negligent homicide.


wat
 
2012-12-04 02:09:24 PM  

darth_badger: They have nothing on Alarma TV.

Last month Alarma TV had a video of a guy caught between the subway car and the wall as the train came. It spun him around like a top between the cars and the wall till he came apart.

I DVR'd it and show it to people if they are willing to watch. They always wish they didn't watch the video.


I saw an animated gif the other day of a guy getting kicked in the head and then falling into a subway train that was going by, he fell into the train and and down onto the platform, his head kept banging off the doors as they went by and his arm went down the side, when someone pulled him out part of his arm fell off.
 
2012-12-04 02:09:38 PM  
Honest question: if the guy couldn't climb out in time, could he have survived by diving between the tracks and lying as low as possible? I don't know much about the underside of subway trains, but it seems at least more plausible than being cut in two on the edge like that.
 
2012-12-04 02:12:25 PM  
Dumb ways to die-ie-ie....
 
2012-12-04 02:13:58 PM  
Someone need to inform Rupert Mudoch that something he owns is morally and ethically questionable!
 
2012-12-04 02:14:06 PM  
The Post also just posted the picture of the rape victim that was testifying against a prominent Hasidic Jew.

The photographer (A courtroom supporter of the defendant) who took it was charged with contempt. The editors of the Post should be charged as well.
 
2012-12-04 02:14:42 PM  

had98c: Attempting to rescue that guy would put the rescuer in danger as well. I can't really blame anyone for not attempting to help. It's probably just as likely the victim would inadvertently drag any rescuer to their doom with him.


It's not that much of a risk. It's enough of a risk that you can't be legally charged with negligence for not helping, I assume (not sure on how that works) but it's not risk on the level that most reasonable people should avoid it.

And no one's expecting him to superman one-armed lift the dude to safety, we're just expecting him to brace your feet and offer a hand so the guy had a differential grip to climb up. The difference between having one ledge to hold on to and climb up and an additional handhold above that ledge, especially if that handhold is someone giving you a pull, is substantial.

cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.


Again, you don't have to bodily lift someone's entire weight to help them climb up something. But yes, most subways actually do have space either to the side of the train's path (under the platform) or between the rails dug out specifically for when people fall in. That's kind of like saying that people that are drowning can usually just relax and float, though, generally speaking people under the impression they're about to die aren't thinking clearly, and that's why they need help in the first place.
 
2012-12-04 02:15:12 PM  

Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.


Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?
 
2012-12-04 02:15:42 PM  

Arn_Dee: Isn't that like, negligent manslaughter or somesuch? I feel guilty on humanity's behalf just having seen the picture.


I don't think the generally law gives citizens a duty to reach in front of oncoming trains to grab people.
 
2012-12-04 02:16:53 PM  

pmmal: sigdiamond2000: Cythraul: Gulper Eel: Did none of you notice the quote:

"People were shouting and yelling when it happened, but then people ran the other way"

...but yeah, the photographer's the bad guy for not saving the day. Pay no heed to the dozens of other people on the platform who did nothing but panic and run away.

Kitty Genovese has some company now.

In order to troll, are you intentionally ignoring the fact that the photographer is rewarding himself with personal gain from his photographs? It's one thing to not help. It's another to take a farking picture to hand over to your employer for a pat on the back.

Well, whoever is most to blame, I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: New York City is the greatest city in the world.

New York New York isn't everything they say
There's no place I'd rather be
Where else can you see a man hit by a train
All at a quarter to three?


It really, really kicked him in the a-a-a-ass?
 
2012-12-04 02:17:34 PM  
1) I don't buy the "I was trying to signal the conductor to stop the train" cover story.

2) But it isn't clear to me the photographer would have had time to help the victim without putting himself at risk too.

3) On the other hand, why cook up a BS story about trying to signal the conductor unless you felt guilty about something?

Hmmm.
 
2012-12-04 02:20:39 PM  

Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?


Hey, we have a right to not see pictures of things we'd rather not think about. How can someone just take a picture of and unpleasant reality and remind us about it?

The photographer is the problem, not the conditions that caused it in the first place, not the people who commit atrocities, and not the folks who could have done something about it.
 
2012-12-04 02:20:41 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I would rather pour molten copper down my pants than set foot on a big city public transportation platform.


You shall have a pair of copper underwear that men shall tremble to behold...

smokinhotbooks.com
 
2012-12-04 02:20:43 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Gawker expresses its disapproval by linking to the NY Post story and paraphrasing just enough of it to pique readers' curiosity.


This.

"Click 'here' to see how reprehensible the NY Post is!"
 
2012-12-04 02:21:24 PM  

Gunderson: The Post also just posted the picture of the rape victim that was testifying against a prominent Hasidic Jew.

The photographer (A courtroom supporter of the defendant) who took it was charged with contempt. The editors of the Post should be charged as well.


I didn't know that. Now I hate the Post even more than before. How disgusting.
 
2012-12-04 02:21:52 PM  
You have to remember, also, that there weren't minutes between the man being thrown onto the tracks and the train coming, it was a matter of, like, a second. He wasn't simply thrown onto the tracks, he was thrown into the path of an oncoming train. If I see a man throwing another man into the path of an oncoming train, I'm RUNNING THE OTHER WAY. There was absolutely no time to gather the strongest on the platform and gracefully pull the man up. Don't be deceived by the calm in the picture which looks like there was all the time in the WORLD to help him. There wasn't.
 
2012-12-04 02:22:10 PM  
We live in a depraved society... It's one thing to laugh about farked up stuff on fark.com, it's another to put that on the front page of a news paper...
 
2012-12-04 02:22:53 PM  
Using the flash to warn the driver? Yeah, it is not like the rain has headlights, so I guess I should bling the driver so there is an even lower chance of him seeing the dude.

The Post further defends Abbasi, saying he wasn't strong enough to lift Han off the track
The guy on the tracks does not look like a fatso. You should be able to give him a hand. I don't know what I would do in such a situation. Either help or turn away as I really don't need to see a man squished (again), but taking photos? Even if you tried to help and failed, I think you could much rather live with that decision than snapping pictures.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:20 PM  
Doesn't the photographer's actions make a case for violating New York Good Samaritan Laws?

/Appreciate input from Fark-lawyers.
 
2012-12-04 02:23:59 PM  

Super Chronic: So this is why they call it "Gawker." No, wait, it's perfectly fine for them to republish the photo for the noble and totally non-voyeuristic purpose of allowing us to register our moral outrage.

/fark both them and the Post


And here we are, farking both them and the Post.

www.outridersearch.ca
 
2012-12-04 02:25:31 PM  

Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.


so there IS justice in the world?

didn't think i could feel better after viewing this thread - well done indeed
 
2012-12-04 02:26:08 PM  

whistleridge: Honest question: if the guy couldn't climb out in time, could he have survived by diving between the tracks and lying as low as possible? I don't know much about the underside of subway trains, but it seems at least more plausible than being cut in two on the edge like that.


Yes. Some other guy did it a few months ago when a little kid fell on the tracks.
 
2012-12-04 02:26:18 PM  
Maybe the two guys were in a game show...

www.popularmechanics.com
 
2012-12-04 02:26:39 PM  

whistleridge: Honest question: if the guy couldn't climb out in time, could he have survived by diving between the tracks and lying as low as possible? I don't know much about the underside of subway trains, but it seems at least more plausible than being cut in two on the edge like that.


Yes, in fact IIRC there are a couple Fark headlines about one incident in which a bystander jumped down onto the tracks and pushed a would-be victim to the ground and a second one when Disney treated him to a free vacation at DisneyWorld. There's a gap below the train that can fit an average sized person. Of course, good luck remembering that (or anything else for that matter) when a train is coming right at you.
 
2012-12-04 02:27:11 PM  

Walker: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Came here to say this. He was racked by guilt...as he should have been. Just because you are a photographer doesn't mean you stop being a human being. Although some would disagree...especially about paparazzi.


Now I feel even more like a shiat for laughing. It's just disturbing that the media would so hungrily jump on such a photo. I imagined the picture of the vulture and the starving boy with the headline, "THIS CHILD IS ABOUT TO DIE!" and the inappropriateness of it got me giggling.

/I'm a douche
 
2012-12-04 02:28:28 PM  
I visit NYC frequently & this is why I avoid (as much as possible) the crazy people talking to themselves - and there are a lot of them in the subway stations. There's no way of knowing how they'll react in any given situation and it's scary being stuck in the train car with one of them. Stay back from the tracks & don't talk to crazies.
 
2012-12-04 02:28:35 PM  

Headso: darth_badger: They have nothing on Alarma TV.

Last month Alarma TV had a video of a guy caught between the subway car and the wall as the train came. It spun him around like a top between the cars and the wall till he came apart.

I DVR'd it and show it to people if they are willing to watch. They always wish they didn't watch the video.

I saw an animated gif the other day of a guy getting kicked in the head and then falling into a subway train that was going by, he fell into the train and and down onto the platform, his head kept banging off the doors as they went by and his arm went down the side, when someone pulled him out part of his arm fell off.


The guy i saw was split at the waist.
 
2012-12-04 02:30:01 PM  
Wasn't there a dude a few years ago who jumped onto the tracks and covered a guy while a train passed over them? Just something to compare.

I guess that stark contrast in human beings still amazes me. Put your life at risk to save another or start taking photos for profit.
 
2012-12-04 02:30:13 PM  

Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?


is that a troll? if so... meh 4/10

if not & you really need it explained to you, just holler

o what the hell - here you go: being in a position to help and choosing instead to make a profit is pretty freaking horrible.

being a chickenshiat coward and hiding behind "don't vilify the messenger" just makes you extra cock-punch worthy
 
2012-12-04 02:31:46 PM  
lol @ newspapers
 
2012-12-04 02:33:26 PM  
All the poor schmuck had to do was take 2 steps back, AWAY from the platform, and stand between the upright beams, just the same way as the people who work down there do on a regular basis.
 
2012-12-04 02:34:13 PM  

inner ted: Captain Darling: Joe Peanut: ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 722x457]

That photographer eventually committed suicide.

Was it because Internet douchebags who never lift a finger to alleviate poverty decided to vilify the messenger?

is that a troll? if so... meh 4/10

if not & you really need it explained to you, just holler

o what the hell - here you go: being in a position to help and choosing instead to make a profit is pretty freaking horrible.

being a chickenshiat coward and hiding behind "don't vilify the messenger" just makes you extra cock-punch worthy


When you vilify the messenger instead of the guy who pushed the man or the other lookers-on, you are attacking the messenger.


Also, awareness, pic of assailant, etc...
 
2012-12-04 02:35:49 PM  

Hoopy Frood: The photographer looks to be about as far away from him as the train was. Unless there a phone booth nearby where he could have switched out of his disguise as a mild-mannered reporter and swooped in to save the day, what's he gonna do?


It's hard to judge depth and distance in a photograph; the lens choice and cropping can really play tricks on your perception.

With that said, depending on which end of the platform the guy was on, and how close the train was when he went down, there may not have been anything anyone could have done other than run over to get a real close look as the guy was squashed.

Also keep in mind that a good kick followed by a four foot drop onto a steel rail is enough to stun and disorient many people already. Add in the panic induced by a train bearing down, and the only thing a would-be rescuer is likely to be able to do with a few seconds time is to be clawed at furtively by the victim. If you're lucky, you might start to pull him out. If you're unlucky, he might start to pull you in. Either way, it's not as cut-and-dried as people seem to think.

// Running the picture was worse than tasteless. I avoid ogrish photos on the web; I don't want to see them on the front page at a newsstand.
 
2012-12-04 02:38:25 PM  

cryinoutloud: Unless you were incredibly strong, like a weightlifter, I don't think many people would be able to lift a grown person up out of a hole like that. From the comments on HuffPo, sounds like many of the people think he could have saved himself if he'd gotten to a certain place. But there was probably no way to just run over there and rescue him in the few seconds before the train ran him down.

/Don't know, don't live around subways.



He's a middle age asian man so he's neither huge nor heavy and he's not deadweight so what he needs most is leverage and an assist.
 
2012-12-04 02:38:44 PM  
yessir and can you guess the post's politics?
hint: it's owned by murdoch.
 
2012-12-04 02:41:09 PM  

Omahawg: i had a shirt-tail relation commit suicide by train once upon a time

they found his ear a block away

but only one of them


What is a shirt-tail relation?
 
2012-12-04 02:41:57 PM  
Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.
 
2012-12-04 02:42:28 PM  
- I'm betting the "free lance" photographer was a willing conspirator.
- I'm also betting the victim was on those tracks for a reason.

I'd also be willing to bet that every street photographer has had this type of situation run through his or her head a million times. Your passion - photography - will be seen by millions and remembered forever. Even if it's the New York Post. You take the picture.
 
2012-12-04 02:42:56 PM  
I thought pictures of imminent death, like the famous one where a car hits a pack of cyclists, was instant bannination?
 
2012-12-04 02:45:49 PM  
Tried to find the Bill Burr subway bit on YouTube, laughed my ass off but couldn't find it. It think it was a show he did in Philly- first thing I thought of tho.
That being funny and all I would have tried to help pull the victim to safety. Watching the video of the argument, you can see multiple people fairly close by. That picture on the front page gives me the chills, no one to be seen but him at that point. They must have all just backed away as soon as it got physical. He must have felt so alone.
 
2012-12-04 02:47:29 PM  

under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.


It's a Mourdock production. Expecting it to have any sense of class, taste or basic respect for humanity is a bit much.
 
2012-12-04 02:48:09 PM  

mittromneysdog: 1) I don't buy the "I was trying to signal the conductor to stop the train" cover story.

2) But it isn't clear to me the photographer would have had time to help the victim without putting himself at risk too.

3) On the other hand, why cook up a BS story about trying to signal the conductor unless you felt guilty about something?

Hmmm.


People often blurt out lame stories when they're under attack. Few are as cool, calm, and collected as George Zimmerman.
 
2012-12-04 02:48:43 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Look, you farking dipshiats, the issue is less about the ghoulish photog taking the pictures as it is the NY Post, ghouls all, deciding to PUBLISH THEM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR GHOULISH farkING PAPER.


All of that is in your very vivid and disturbing imagination. Without the context, all you see is a man climbing near the platform. He could be some other person going down to check on the victim as the train leaves for all you know.
 
2012-12-04 02:49:13 PM  

Lumpmoose: I can't guarantee I wouldn't be one of the people panicking if I were in that situation and I definitely can't guarantee that I'd heroically run to his rescue. Based on TFA, maybe most people have to be trained to handle quick-reaction emergencies like that or at least think about such things ahead of time. Maybe living in cities or society in general dampens the 'fight' side of the fight or flight response. And maybe you can never predict how you'd act in a situation like that until you're actually in it.


Maybe they were getting the fark away from the train because there was a pusher on the platform. Not exactly noble, but understandable.
 
2012-12-04 02:49:48 PM  
Last summer I was waiting on the platform and some drunk idiot fell onto the tracks with a C train approaching the station. I was nowhere near the edge of the platform and had to push through the mass of rush hour commuters to get to the guy and help him up. Only one other person tried to help the guy off the tracks. Everyone else was too busy filming the incident with their phones. Fortunately the conductor saw the commotion and stopped the train in time.

Despite having a near death experience, all the rush hour commuters promptly berated the drunk guy for delaying the train. And for my good efforts, my iPad was stolen from my bag as I put it down to help the guy get onto the platform.

So yeah. fark you, NYC.
 
2012-12-04 02:50:31 PM  

StrangeQ: under a mountain: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x391]

They also published this.

It's a Murdoch production. Expecting it to have any sense of class, taste or basic respect for humanity is a bit much.


FTFM
 
2012-12-04 02:50:47 PM  
It really makes me wonder why the platforms don't have a couple foot overhang to them so that if you did fall or were pushed onto the tracks you'd be able to scamper to safety under the overhang when the train came. Wold that really be so hard to do?
 
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